> QUORA: Why do so many Russians seem to miss the Soviet Union?

And how many?

> I lived and worked in the Soviet Union during the mid to late 80's and
> remember it well. My current family is Russian and most of them grew up in
> Soviet Latvia.

> The Soviet system was like a vampire sucking the life blood out of everyone
> and every country it touched and siphoning all that energy and wealth back
> to a few people in Moscow.

This is a known Baltic-specific nationalist mythology.

> While most former Soviet republics are far better off now and are even
> better off than Russia,

The Baltic states aren't bright. Huge part of their population has migrated
to Europe to work as plumbers. The rest are drinking too much because their
domestic life is dull and bleak (in the recent decade, the three have climbed
to the very top in alcohol consumption). The Atlanticism sought to make the
Baltics sort of showcase for Russia, so they gave them big money, but it did
not work well eventually. While their GDP figures are relatively high, their
real life doesn't look happy, which makes someone suspicious about trickery.

> ----------
> [COMMENTS]
> Mateusz Wesolowski · Jul 25
> The answer is simple, people are nostalgic for when they were young and
> strong. Just happens to be that time was under communism for 40+ year olds.

The USSR was a complex phenomenon, while this bunch of babblers, including
a share of intentional duty trolls (known to live on Quora), make simplistic
rationalizations which would fit to the post-Soviet Western indoctrination.

Still the very fact that after 30+ years this importunate meditation goes on,
proves what I wrote before <https://tinyurl.com/2xs8sqnd>: without the USSR,
America doesn't have a proper meaning for its own existence, it has become an
insane maniac which persistently needs to reinvent and re-invoke the USSR to
somehow substantiate itself.

On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 5:31:08 PM UTC-4, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> > QUORA: Why do so many Russians seem to miss the Soviet Union?
> And how many?
> > I lived and worked in the Soviet Union during the mid to late 80's and
> > remember it well. My current family is Russian and most of them grew up in
> > Soviet Latvia.
> > The Soviet system was like a vampire sucking the life blood out of everyone
> > and every country it touched and siphoning all that energy and wealth back
> > to a few people in Moscow.
> This is a known Baltic-specific nationalist mythology.
> > While most former Soviet republics are far better off now and are even
> > better off than Russia,
> The Baltic states aren't bright. Huge part of their population has migrated
> to Europe to work as plumbers. The rest are drinking too much because their
> domestic life is dull and bleak (in the recent decade, the three have climbed
> to the very top in alcohol consumption). The Atlanticism sought to make the
> Baltics sort of showcase for Russia, so they gave them big money, but it did
> not work well eventually. While their GDP figures are relatively high, their
> real life doesn't look happy, which makes someone suspicious about trickery.
>
> > ----------
> > [COMMENTS]
> > Mateusz Wesolowski · Jul 25
> > The answer is simple, people are nostalgic for when they were young and
> > strong. Just happens to be that time was under communism for 40+ year olds.
> The USSR was a complex phenomenon, while this bunch of babblers, including
> a share of intentional duty trolls (known to live on Quora), make simplistic
> rationalizations which would fit to the post-Soviet Western indoctrination.
>
> Still the very fact that after 30+ years this importunate meditation goes on,
> proves what I wrote before <https://tinyurl.com/2xs8sqnd>: without the USSR,
> America doesn't have a proper meaning for its own existence, it has become an
> insane maniac which persistently needs to reinvent and re-invoke the USSR to
> somehow substantiate itself.

Try this from NYTimes:

"Why Women Had Better Sex Under Socialism
By Kristen R. Ghodsee
Aug. 12, 2017

When Americans think of Communism in Eastern Europe, they imagine travel restrictions,
bleak landscapes of gray concrete, miserable men and women languishing in long lines
to shop in empty markets and security services snooping on the private lives of citizens.
While much of this was true, our collective stereotype of Communist life does not tell the
whole story.

Some might remember that Eastern bloc women enjoyed many rights and privileges
unknown in liberal democracies at the time, including major state investments in their
education and training, their full incorporation into the labor force, generous maternity
leave allowances and guaranteed free child care. But there’s one advantage that has
received little attention: Women under Communism enjoyed more sexual pleasure.

A comparative sociological study of East and West Germans conducted after
reunification in 1990 found that Eastern women had twice as many orgasms as
Western women. Researchers marveled at this disparity in reported sexual satisfaction, ..."

Armed with more researches, Kristen R. Ghodsee had published a book
"Why Women Had Better Sex Under Socialism" two years ago.

On Tuesday, August 30, 2022 at 12:55:11 PM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 5:31:08 PM UTC-4, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> > > QUORA: Why do so many Russians seem to miss the Soviet Union?
> > And how many?
> > > I lived and worked in the Soviet Union during the mid to late 80's and
> > > remember it well. My current family is Russian and most of them grew up in
> > > Soviet Latvia.
> > > The Soviet system was like a vampire sucking the life blood out of everyone
> > > and every country it touched and siphoning all that energy and wealth back
> > > to a few people in Moscow.
> > This is a known Baltic-specific nationalist mythology.
> > > While most former Soviet republics are far better off now and are even
> > > better off than Russia,
> > The Baltic states aren't bright. Huge part of their population has migrated
> > to Europe to work as plumbers. The rest are drinking too much because their
> > domestic life is dull and bleak (in the recent decade, the three have climbed
> > to the very top in alcohol consumption). The Atlanticism sought to make the
> > Baltics sort of showcase for Russia, so they gave them big money, but it did
> > not work well eventually. While their GDP figures are relatively high, their
> > real life doesn't look happy, which makes someone suspicious about trickery.
> >
> > > ----------
> > > [COMMENTS]
> > > Mateusz Wesolowski · Jul 25
> > > The answer is simple, people are nostalgic for when they were young and
> > > strong. Just happens to be that time was under communism for 40+ year olds.
> > The USSR was a complex phenomenon, while this bunch of babblers, including
> > a share of intentional duty trolls (known to live on Quora), make simplistic
> > rationalizations which would fit to the post-Soviet Western indoctrination.
> >
> > Still the very fact that after 30+ years this importunate meditation goes on,
> > proves what I wrote before <https://tinyurl.com/2xs8sqnd>: without the USSR,
> > America doesn't have a proper meaning for its own existence, it has become an
> > insane maniac which persistently needs to reinvent and re-invoke the USSR to
> > somehow substantiate itself.
> Try this from NYTimes:
>
> "Why Women Had Better Sex Under Socialism
> By Kristen R. Ghodsee
> Aug. 12, 2017
>
> When Americans think of Communism in Eastern Europe, they imagine travel restrictions,
> bleak landscapes of gray concrete, miserable men and women languishing in long lines
> to shop in empty markets and security services snooping on the private lives of citizens.
> While much of this was true, our collective stereotype of Communist life does not tell the
> whole story.
>
> Some might remember that Eastern bloc women enjoyed many rights and privileges
> unknown in liberal democracies at the time, including major state investments in their
> education and training, their full incorporation into the labor force, generous maternity
> leave allowances and guaranteed free child care. But there’s one advantage that has
> received little attention: Women under Communism enjoyed more sexual pleasure.
>
> A comparative sociological study of East and West Germans conducted after
> reunification in 1990 found that Eastern women had twice as many orgasms as
> Western women. Researchers marveled at this disparity in reported sexual satisfaction, ..."
>
> Armed with more researches, Kristen R. Ghodsee had published a book
> "Why Women Had Better Sex Under Socialism" two years ago.

"Russia extended full suffrage to women in 1917, three years before the United States did."

Ah yes, those free and fair elections in the USSR.

*snicker*

ltlee1, <news:def5f2c7-54c7-496b-9028-e00edf47aaa0n@googlegroups.com>
> On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 5:31:08 PM UTC-4, Oleg Smirnov wrote:

>> The USSR was a complex phenomenon, while this bunch of babblers, including
>> a share of intentional duty trolls (known to live on Quora), make
>> simplistic rationalizations which would fit to the post-Soviet Western
>> indoctrination.
>>
>> Still the very fact that after 30+ years this importunate meditation goes
>> on, proves what I wrote before <https://tinyurl.com/2xs8sqnd>: without the
>> USSR, America doesn't have a proper meaning for its own existence, it has
>> become an insane maniac which persistently needs to reinvent and re-invoke
>> the USSR to somehow substantiate itself.
>
> Try this from NYTimes:
>
> "Why Women Had Better Sex Under Socialism
> By Kristen R. Ghodsee
> Aug. 12, 2017
>
> When Americans think of Communism in Eastern Europe, they imagine
> travel restrictions, bleak landscapes of gray concrete, miserable men
> and women languishing in long lines to shop in empty markets and
> security services snooping on the private lives of citizens. While
> much of this was true, our collective stereotype of Communist life
> does not tell the whole story.
>
> Some might remember that Eastern bloc women enjoyed many rights and
> privileges unknown in liberal democracies at the time, including
> major state investments in their education and training, their full
> incorporation into the labor force, generous maternity leave
> allowances and guaranteed free child care.

Yes, and the impact of this is also reflected in the statistics
relating to the present. According to the Grant Thornton's "Women in
Business" research (which I cited recently in another thread) the
relatively high share of women in senior business management takes
place not only in Russia but (to bit lesser extent) also in the East
European nations once affected by the Soviet influence (plus Georgia
and Armenia in Caucasus). According to their statistics, percentage
of women in senior roles in Eastern Europe today is 1.7 times higher
than in "progressive" North America (38% vs. 23%).

> But there's one advantage that has received little attention: Women
> under Communism enjoyed more sexual pleasure.
>
> A comparative sociological study of East and West Germans conducted after
> reunification in 1990 found that Eastern women had twice as many orgasms
> as Western women. Researchers marveled at this disparity in reported
> sexual satisfaction, ..."
>
> Armed with more researches, Kristen R. Ghodsee had published a book
> "Why Women Had Better Sex Under Socialism" two years ago.

This is a porn part. Western 'leftism' often tend to sell soft porn
under guise of social concern. For example, articles about domestic
violence are usually focused on women beating, and there are often
sexy pictures like this <https://is.gd/aYkva4>. Meanwhile, for those
concerned about domestic violence would be more relevant to focus on
children beating (because women are adults and children are not).
But they are more fixated on women because it's much more sexy stuff,
it's selling better, while children are less appropriate for use in
this way.

On Tuesday, August 30, 2022 at 10:59:33 PM UTC-4, David P. wrote:
> bmoore wrote:
> > ltlee1 wrote:
> > > Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> > > > > QUORA: Why do so many Russians seem to miss the Soviet Union?
> > > > And how many?
> > > > > I lived and worked in the Soviet Union during the mid to late 80's and
> > > > > remember it well. My current family is Russian and most of them grew up in
> > > > > Soviet Latvia.
> > > > > The Soviet system was like a vampire sucking the life blood out of everyone
> > > > > and every country it touched and siphoning all that energy and wealth back
> > > > > to a few people in Moscow.
> > > > This is a known Baltic-specific nationalist mythology.
> > > > > While most former Soviet republics are far better off now and are even
> > > > > better off than Russia,
> > > > The Baltic states aren't bright. Huge part of their population has migrated
> > > > to Europe to work as plumbers. The rest are drinking too much because their
> > > > domestic life is dull and bleak (in the recent decade, the three have climbed
> > > > to the very top in alcohol consumption). The Atlanticism sought to make the
> > > > Baltics sort of showcase for Russia, so they gave them big money, but it did
> > > > not work well eventually. While their GDP figures are relatively high, their
> > > > real life doesn't look happy, which makes someone suspicious about trickery.
> > > >
> > > > > ----------
> > > > > [COMMENTS]
> > > > > Mateusz Wesolowski · Jul 25
> > > > > The answer is simple, people are nostalgic for when they were young and
> > > > > strong. Just happens to be that time was under communism for 40+ year olds.
> > > > The USSR was a complex phenomenon, while this bunch of babblers, including
> > > > a share of intentional duty trolls (known to live on Quora), make simplistic
> > > > rationalizations which would fit to the post-Soviet Western indoctrination.
> > > >
> > > > Still the very fact that after 30+ years this importunate meditation goes on,
> > > > proves what I wrote before <https://tinyurl.com/2xs8sqnd>: without the USSR,
> > > > America doesn't have a proper meaning for its own existence, it has become an
> > > > insane maniac which persistently needs to reinvent and re-invoke the USSR to
> > > > somehow substantiate itself.
> > > Try this from NYTimes:
> > >
> > > "Why Women Had Better Sex Under Socialism
> > > By Kristen R. Ghodsee
> > > Aug. 12, 2017
> > >
> > > When Americans think of Communism in Eastern Europe, they imagine travel restrictions,
> > > bleak landscapes of gray concrete, miserable men and women languishing in long lines
> > > to shop in empty markets and security services snooping on the private lives of citizens.
> > > While much of this was true, our collective stereotype of Communist life does not tell the
> > > whole story.
> > >
> > > Some might remember that Eastern bloc women enjoyed many rights and privileges
> > > unknown in liberal democracies at the time, including major state investments in their
> > > education and training, their full incorporation into the labor force, generous maternity
> > > leave allowances and guaranteed free child care. But there’s one advantage that has
> > > received little attention: Women under Communism enjoyed more sexual pleasure.
> > >
> > > A comparative sociological study of East and West Germans conducted after
> > > reunification in 1990 found that Eastern women had twice as many orgasms as
> > > Western women. Researchers marveled at this disparity in reported sexual satisfaction, ..."
> > >
> > > Armed with more researches, Kristen R. Ghodsee had published a book
> > > "Why Women Had Better Sex Under Socialism" two years ago.
> > "Russia extended full suffrage to women in 1917, three years before the United States did."
> > Ah yes, those free and fair elections in the USSR.
> -------------------
> In America, it's "Believe it or not!"
> In Russia, it's "Believe it or else!"
> --
> --

There exists no utopian called "Western democracy."
Every system has it winners and losers partially reflects what aid a country could get from the rest of the world.
https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2009/11/02/end-of-communism-cheered-but-now-with-more-reservations/

2009 survey on whether people were better from communism after the end of communism:

Hurgary Worse 72% About the same 16% Better 8%
Ukraine Worse 62% About the same 13% Better 12%
Bulgaria Worse 62% About the same 18% Better 13%
....

On Wednesday, August 31, 2022 at 9:21:42 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 30, 2022 at 10:59:33 PM UTC-4, David P. wrote:
> > bmoore wrote:
> > > ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> > > > > > QUORA: Why do so many Russians seem to miss the Soviet Union?
> > > > > And how many?
> > > > > > I lived and worked in the Soviet Union during the mid to late 80's and
> > > > > > remember it well. My current family is Russian and most of them grew up in
> > > > > > Soviet Latvia.
> > > > > > The Soviet system was like a vampire sucking the life blood out of everyone
> > > > > > and every country it touched and siphoning all that energy and wealth back
> > > > > > to a few people in Moscow.
> > > > > This is a known Baltic-specific nationalist mythology.
> > > > > > While most former Soviet republics are far better off now and are even
> > > > > > better off than Russia,
> > > > > The Baltic states aren't bright. Huge part of their population has migrated
> > > > > to Europe to work as plumbers. The rest are drinking too much because their
> > > > > domestic life is dull and bleak (in the recent decade, the three have climbed
> > > > > to the very top in alcohol consumption). The Atlanticism sought to make the
> > > > > Baltics sort of showcase for Russia, so they gave them big money, but it did
> > > > > not work well eventually. While their GDP figures are relatively high, their
> > > > > real life doesn't look happy, which makes someone suspicious about trickery.
> > > > >
> > > > > > ----------
> > > > > > [COMMENTS]
> > > > > > Mateusz Wesolowski · Jul 25
> > > > > > The answer is simple, people are nostalgic for when they were young and
> > > > > > strong. Just happens to be that time was under communism for 40+ year olds.
> > > > > The USSR was a complex phenomenon, while this bunch of babblers, including
> > > > > a share of intentional duty trolls (known to live on Quora), make simplistic
> > > > > rationalizations which would fit to the post-Soviet Western indoctrination.
> > > > >
> > > > > Still the very fact that after 30+ years this importunate meditation goes on,
> > > > > proves what I wrote before <https://tinyurl.com/2xs8sqnd>: without the USSR,
> > > > > America doesn't have a proper meaning for its own existence, it has become an
> > > > > insane maniac which persistently needs to reinvent and re-invoke the USSR to
> > > > > somehow substantiate itself.
> > > > Try this from NYTimes:
> > > >
> > > > "Why Women Had Better Sex Under Socialism
> > > > By Kristen R. Ghodsee
> > > > Aug. 12, 2017
> > > >
> > > > When Americans think of Communism in Eastern Europe, they imagine travel restrictions,
> > > > bleak landscapes of gray concrete, miserable men and women languishing in long lines
> > > > to shop in empty markets and security services snooping on the private lives of citizens.
> > > > While much of this was true, our collective stereotype of Communist life does not tell the
> > > > whole story.
> > > >
> > > > Some might remember that Eastern bloc women enjoyed many rights and privileges
> > > > unknown in liberal democracies at the time, including major state investments in their
> > > > education and training, their full incorporation into the labor force, generous maternity
> > > > leave allowances and guaranteed free child care. But there’s one advantage that has
> > > > received little attention: Women under Communism enjoyed more sexual pleasure.
> > > >
> > > > A comparative sociological study of East and West Germans conducted after
> > > > reunification in 1990 found that Eastern women had twice as many orgasms as
> > > > Western women. Researchers marveled at this disparity in reported sexual satisfaction, ..."
> > > >
> > > > Armed with more researches, Kristen R. Ghodsee had published a book
> > > > "Why Women Had Better Sex Under Socialism" two years ago.
> > > "Russia extended full suffrage to women in 1917, three years before the United States did."
> > > Ah yes, those free and fair elections in the USSR.
> > -------------------
> > In America, it's "Believe it or not!"
> > In Russia, it's "Believe it or else!"
> > --
> > --
> There exists no utopian called "Western democracy."
> Every system has it winners and losers partially reflects what aid a country could get from the rest of the world.
> https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2009/11/02/end-of-communism-cheered-but-now-with-more-reservations/
>
> 2009 survey on whether people were better from communism after the end of communism:
>
> Hurgary Worse 72% About the same 16% Better 8%
> Ukraine Worse 62% About the same 13% Better 12%
> Bulgaria Worse 62% About the same 18% Better 13%
> ...

With so many people in former USSR countries rated worst off than before, they should hurry rejoin Russia to be USSR again. They should know USSR can give them much protection and security time for work and leisurely love life, too. They get best of both world than what the Western culture is lacking of love, but dangerous to them too.

On Wednesday, August 31, 2022 at 1:30:41 PM UTC-4, stoney wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 31, 2022 at 9:21:42 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > On Tuesday, August 30, 2022 at 10:59:33 PM UTC-4, David P. wrote:
> > > bmoore wrote:
> > > > ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > Oleg Smirnov wrote:
> > > > > > > QUORA: Why do so many Russians seem to miss the Soviet Union?
> > > > > > And how many?
> > > > > > > I lived and worked in the Soviet Union during the mid to late 80's and
> > > > > > > remember it well. My current family is Russian and most of them grew up in
> > > > > > > Soviet Latvia.
> > > > > > > The Soviet system was like a vampire sucking the life blood out of everyone
> > > > > > > and every country it touched and siphoning all that energy and wealth back
> > > > > > > to a few people in Moscow.
> > > > > > This is a known Baltic-specific nationalist mythology.
> > > > > > > While most former Soviet republics are far better off now and are even
> > > > > > > better off than Russia,
> > > > > > The Baltic states aren't bright. Huge part of their population has migrated
> > > > > > to Europe to work as plumbers. The rest are drinking too much because their
> > > > > > domestic life is dull and bleak (in the recent decade, the three have climbed
> > > > > > to the very top in alcohol consumption). The Atlanticism sought to make the
> > > > > > Baltics sort of showcase for Russia, so they gave them big money, but it did
> > > > > > not work well eventually. While their GDP figures are relatively high, their
> > > > > > real life doesn't look happy, which makes someone suspicious about trickery.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----------
> > > > > > > [COMMENTS]
> > > > > > > Mateusz Wesolowski · Jul 25
> > > > > > > The answer is simple, people are nostalgic for when they were young and
> > > > > > > strong. Just happens to be that time was under communism for 40+ year olds.
> > > > > > The USSR was a complex phenomenon, while this bunch of babblers, including
> > > > > > a share of intentional duty trolls (known to live on Quora), make simplistic
> > > > > > rationalizations which would fit to the post-Soviet Western indoctrination.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Still the very fact that after 30+ years this importunate meditation goes on,
> > > > > > proves what I wrote before <https://tinyurl.com/2xs8sqnd>: without the USSR,
> > > > > > America doesn't have a proper meaning for its own existence, it has become an
> > > > > > insane maniac which persistently needs to reinvent and re-invoke the USSR to
> > > > > > somehow substantiate itself.
> > > > > Try this from NYTimes:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Why Women Had Better Sex Under Socialism
> > > > > By Kristen R. Ghodsee
> > > > > Aug. 12, 2017
> > > > >
> > > > > When Americans think of Communism in Eastern Europe, they imagine travel restrictions,
> > > > > bleak landscapes of gray concrete, miserable men and women languishing in long lines
> > > > > to shop in empty markets and security services snooping on the private lives of citizens.
> > > > > While much of this was true, our collective stereotype of Communist life does not tell the
> > > > > whole story.
> > > > >
> > > > > Some might remember that Eastern bloc women enjoyed many rights and privileges
> > > > > unknown in liberal democracies at the time, including major state investments in their
> > > > > education and training, their full incorporation into the labor force, generous maternity
> > > > > leave allowances and guaranteed free child care. But there’s one advantage that has
> > > > > received little attention: Women under Communism enjoyed more sexual pleasure.
> > > > >
> > > > > A comparative sociological study of East and West Germans conducted after
> > > > > reunification in 1990 found that Eastern women had twice as many orgasms as
> > > > > Western women. Researchers marveled at this disparity in reported sexual satisfaction, ..."
> > > > >
> > > > > Armed with more researches, Kristen R. Ghodsee had published a book
> > > > > "Why Women Had Better Sex Under Socialism" two years ago.
> > > > "Russia extended full suffrage to women in 1917, three years before the United States did."
> > > > Ah yes, those free and fair elections in the USSR.
> > > -------------------
> > > In America, it's "Believe it or not!"
> > > In Russia, it's "Believe it or else!"
> > > --
> > > --
> > There exists no utopian called "Western democracy."
> > Every system has it winners and losers partially reflects what aid a country could get from the rest of the world.
> > https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2009/11/02/end-of-communism-cheered-but-now-with-more-reservations/
> >
> > 2009 survey on whether people were better from communism after the end of communism:
> >
> > Hurgary Worse 72% About the same 16% Better 8%
> > Ukraine Worse 62% About the same 13% Better 12%
> > Bulgaria Worse 62% About the same 18% Better 13%
> > ...
> With so many people in former USSR countries rated worst off than before, they should hurry rejoin Russia to be USSR again. They should know USSR can give them much protection and security time for work and leisurely love life, too. They get best of both world than what the Western culture is lacking of love, but dangerous to them too.

Currently they are a lot talk of another civil war in the US. Why?
Of course the US would be a better country if the two parties could work together.
Unfortunately, bipartisan cooperation is not among US politicians' choices.

As for Ukraine, there are forces driving toward the West as well as toward Russia. Hence,
the Donbas region is having a civil war since 2014. According to Russia media, tens
of thousands of Ukrainians have already chosen to become Russians.

On Thursday, September 1, 2022 at 4:20:04 AM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> Currently they are a lot talk of another civil war in the US. Why?
> Of course the US would be a better country if the two parties could work together.
> Unfortunately, bipartisan cooperation is not among US politicians' choices.
>
> As for Ukraine, there are forces driving toward the West as well as toward Russia. Hence,
> the Donbas region is having a civil war since 2014. According to Russia media, tens
> of thousands of Ukrainians have already chosen to become Russians.

Each has their own God who did not want them to work together. Their God of the two parties wants them to fight to death to destroy and eliminate and prevent them to continue mounting attack and killing and destroying people in other countries. Thus, the killing of minority people and sold-out sales of guns in gun shops will be evidences of civil war in the coming to them.