Last week, Philippe Michel announced in bug-gnubg
his intention to release a new Gnubg Windows build:

https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gnubg/2022-11/msg00000.html

To which, Øystein Schønning-Johansen replied with
this snide remark:

"The only comment I have after playing two
"matches is that it rolls very good dice for itself.
"It must be cheating! ;-)

https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gnubg/2022-11/msg00002.html

His remark had no value or purpose other than taking
an opportunity to once again genericly demean people
who may suspect bg bots of cheating with the dice.

In turn, I took the opportunity to pretend that I took his
complaint seriously and posted Gary Wong's infamous
"Official Backgammon Software Complaint Form" but it
was censored, blocked by the moderators/s of the list.

That "official" (no less!!) complaint form that had been
posted in RGB, was then reposted, quoted, archived and
commented on shamelessly by many abrasive, arrogant
assholes in many gamblegammon sites, forums, blogs.

But they sure don't like it if someone shoves their own
snide shit up their own assholes... ;)

What is sad and some people may feel compassion for
is that because of their infected, clogged sinuses, they
can't smell the smell of their own shit and think they are
somehow superior to others. :(

The fact that many gamblegammon bots and servers
had been demonstrated to cheat wasn't enough to keep
Wong from insulting people en mass, which shows that
he was too conceited, (like so many of his ilks then, later
and today), to realize how stupid he was in vouching for
what he couldn't possibly know, in order to demean others.

Let me give you a personal example from my experience.
Wong's "offical form", has a line for complaining that:

"[ ] it rolled double-7 and escaped my 6-point prime;

Several months prior to his posting his assholic garbage,
I had posted a thread titled "Jellyfish dice bug!?". See:

https://groups.google.com/g/rec.games.backgammon/c/zNXiQ28kYH8/m/UARxGR4AeKoJ

If you read it, you can see that I had discovered a serious
bug in Jellyfish, (as I had discovered numerous others in
other bots), which made it roll all kinds of invalid numbers
greater than 6 and less than 1 (or < zero, i.e. negative).

Most bott-kissers had tried to dismiss it as just a RNG bug
amazingly ignoring my demonstrating that Jellyfish not only
was rolling 7's and "escaping 6-point primes" and mocking
back at Wong :) but it was even rolling 8's and jumping over
7-point primes, etc.!!

Has any arrogant, annoying asshole ever apologized for
having unjustly insulted others...? Not to my knowledge. :(

BTW: here is a bonus up your anus. After the above bug,
which was obviously much more than "just a dice bug",
was fixed in a new release, Jellyfish had started to play
the same dice rolls in the same positions differently than
in its previous version, even though the developer had
announced that there had been no other changes made.
And after that, Jellyfish slowly vanished down the sewer.

MK

On 11/15/2022 7:04 PM, MK wrote:
> I had posted a thread titled "Jellyfish dice bug!?". See:
>
> https://groups.google.com/g/rec.games.backgammon/c/zNXiQ28kYH8/m/UARxGR4AeKoJ
>
> If you read it, you can see that I had discovered a serious
> bug in Jellyfish, (as I had discovered numerous others in
> other bots), which made it roll all kinds of invalid numbers
> greater than 6 and less than 1 (or < zero, i.e. negative).

I must admit, this is pretty cool! Very nice discovery.

---
Tim Chow

Timothy Chow <tchow12000@yahoo.com> writes:

> On 11/15/2022 7:04 PM, MK wrote:

[...]

>> roll all kinds of invalid numbers
>> greater than 6 and less than 1 (or < zero, i.e. negative).
>
> I must admit, this is pretty cool! Very nice discovery.

I wonder whether it also rolled non-integer numbers. And there were IIRC
rule discussions about escaping a closed board with rolling a 7 from the
bar in

https://moonconnect.eu/eskgammon/

(-:

Axel

On Wednesday, 16 November 2022 at 00:04:40 UTC, MK wrote:
>
> But they sure don't like it if someone shoves their own
> snide shit up their own assholes... ;)
>

For whatever reason, there do seem to be a number of bad actors in the backgammon community.

"Do you know how hard it is to program a bot to cheat?" I was once asked by the CEO of a certain Android backgammon program.

When I told him how to do it he went very quiet.

These people need exposing.

On 11/16/2022 12:49 PM, Nasti Chestikov wrote:
> On Wednesday, 16 November 2022 at 00:04:40 UTC, MK wrote:
>>
>> But they sure don't like it if someone shoves their own
>> snide shit up their own assholes... ;)
>>
>
> For whatever reason, there do seem to be a number of bad actors in the backgammon community.
>
> "Do you know how hard it is to program a bot to cheat?" I was once asked by the CEO of a certain Android backgammon program.
>
> When I told him how to do it he went very quiet.
>
> These people need exposing.

The reason he went quiet was that he was pondering his moral
responsibility to expose you.

---
Tim Chow

On Thursday, 17 November 2022 at 14:02:00 UTC, Tim Chow wrote:

> The reason he went quiet was that he was pondering his moral
> responsibility to expose you.
>
> ---
> Tim Chow

Quelle droll.

I actually pointed out four scenarios where his program cheated regularly and how he needed to introduce white noise (i.e you can't just cheat whenever a certain situation comes up otherwise the user can predict upcoming dice rolls).......white noise being "generate a number between 1 and 10, if the number is 9 or 10 then call the cheaty code, otherwise just call the fair dice).

His problem is he has tweaked the current versions on the Play Store......however, the version on the treadmill infotainment system at my gym hasn't been updated for years and so I am able to call dice rolls in certain situations with 100% accuracy.

I did challenge him to stake his entire company against my £250,000 on me correctly calling dice on 20 separate occasions in given situations, witnessed by legal experts........he hasn't got back to me. If his dice were fair then it's a very quick £250,000 in his sky rocket.......I have no idea why he hasn't snapped my hand off?

On November 16, 2022 at 12:26:38 AM UTC-7, Axel Reichert wrote:

> Timothy Chow <tchow...@yahoo.com> writes:

>> On 11/15/2022 7:04 PM, MK wrote:

>>> roll all kinds of invalid numbers
>>> greater than 6 and less than 1
>>> (or < zero, i.e. negative).

>> I must admit, this is pretty cool!
>> Very nice discovery.

Did you also notice how polite and
humble I was about it?

Did you also notice that I discovered
it only after playing against Jellyfish
a limited number of times and being
in RGB only a couple of months?

As a kid, everytime I was given a toy,
my way of playing with it was to first
break it. :)

Later in life, that really help me with
doing well with software breaking... ;)

> I wonder whether it also rolled non-integer
> numbers.

No it didn't. Did you read the thread?
Don't you think I or everyone else who
tried to duplicate my discovery would
have noticed and mentioned it? What
a smarter ass than all that you must
think you are, eh?

> And there were IIRC rule discussions about
> escaping a closed board with rolling a 7
> from the bar in

Do you realize that you are hijacking
my thread with some irrelevant shit!?

You should think about why you are
doing it...? And not for the first time!

MK