On Thursday, February 11, 2010 at 7:59:48 PM UTC+5:30, chhotemianinshallah wrote:
> Maha disaster
> Jug Suraiya, 09 February 2010, 08:17 PM IST
> As if launching a belligerent campaign against north Indians working
> in Mumbai were not enough, the Shiv Sena, even while lifting the ban
> on the screening of Shah Rukh Khan's My Name Is Khan, has called the
> star a traitor because of his statement that Pakistani players should
> have been included in the IPL a view shared by millions of cricket
> fans, in Maharashtra and elsewhere in India.
> There have been attacks, physical as well as verbal, against north
> Indians, so many of whom have contributed so much to making Mumbai the
> great city that is. There has been persecution of screen icons like
> SRK who've made Mumbai synonymous with Bollywood, the international
> movie Mecca which is fast overtaking Hollywood. There has been the
> boycott of Pakistani players at the expense of cricket, the biggest
> money-spinning sport on the subcontinent. What are the Shiv Sena and
> the MNS doing?
> The answer is simple. In the name of Marathi manoos they are cutting
> off their own nose to spite their face. They are taking the Maha out
> of Maharashtra. Suppose movie idols like SRK and others who have been
> targeted by the Sena decide to walk out of Mumbai, taking Bollywood
> with them to a more hospitable environment (the upcoming media and
> film-making hub in Noida would welcome them with open arms). And
> suppose enterprise and industry fed up with the Sena's and the MNS's
> strong-arm parochialism which apart from anything else is bad for
> business were to follow suit and go to a more commerce-friendly clime.
> What would be left of Mumbai, which today can boast of being the
> financial as well as the entertainment capital of the country? If
> Bollywood and business were to pull out, Mumbai would be left with
> little more than the Thackeray clan, Bal and Raj, and their respective
> goons.
> A far-fetched scenario? Not necessarily. The Thackerays should learn a
> lesson from the fate of what is now called Kolkata. At a time when it
> was still Calcutta, it could lay claim to being the premier city of
> the country in terms of industrial and intellectual activity. Then,
> thanks to over a quarter century of uninterrupted Marxist rule which
> encouraged irresponsible labour unionism and stifled commercial and
> economic activity, Calcutta witnessed a flight of capital and talent,
> and became a stagnant backwater.
> It was not just businessmen and industrialists, but also professionals
> in the media and other fields who left Calcutta as economic refugees.
> I know; I was one of them.
> What happened to Calcutta can happen to Mumbai if the two Thackerays,
> Bal and Raj, competing with each other in populist chauvinism, have
> their way. Will the Marathi manoos in whose name these two demagogues
> are doing their best to turn a vibrant metropolis into a provincial
> ghetto allow the Thackerays to get away with this hijacking of their
> city? Will the Marathi manoos whom the Thackerays claim to represent
> allow them to turn Maharashtra into Maha-disaster?
> It's time that the silent majority among Marathi manoos decent, hard-
> working, accommodating as all Indians by nature and tradition tend to
> be until they are misrepresented by unscrupulous politicians who
> falsely claim to speak on their behalf stood up and disowned such
> ruinously narrow-minded and short-sighted leaders who are leading them
> to disaster.
> What do you say? Particularly if you happen to be Marathi. Especially
> if you happen to be Marathi.
> Should super-chauvinists be allowed to hold Mumbai to ransom by threat
> of violence, and by doing so call into question India's integrity as a
> nation which guarantees equal rights to all its citizens? If they can
> - and will - do this, is there that great a difference between them
> and the perpetrators of 26/11? Who's the traitor, then?
> Kuldeep Patil -Marathi-Kolhapur pune says:
> February 10,2010 at 12:51 PM IST
> We Marathi Indians are extreamly sad with this thakare clan.. so that
> we intensionally kept them away from power inspite we were not happy
> with Congress.. Our think is- Bad people are better than worst [We
> dont have other option]. We have never told Raj or Bal T to care for
> us...we have always welcomed modest outsiders and we will continue...
> Things currently happening are black days of Mahrashtra/India
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> Rajiv says:
> February 10,2010 at 12:52 PM IST
> I want all these chaos, that Thackerays are creating in Mumbai, to
> intensify extremely.
> With every nonsense that they're perpetrating, Mumbai is inching
> towards becoming an independent state.
> We know, huge unplanned migration is a genuine issue in Mumbai, but
> what Senas are doing is not the solution, they're rather pollution of
> the city. And taking on a great Indian like SRK on such a silly thing
> going up to the extent of calling him traitor and all has crossed all
> the limits. It exposed Sena that they're nothing but brinless gundas.
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> Pradeep Phadke says:
> February 10,2010 at 12:52 PM IST
> Your article is thought provoking. But let me put some
> "Marathi" views. First let me give you my impression
> of KOlkata. I visit that city 3-4 times a year and I find that there
> is nothing wrong vis-a-vis general life quality. Moreover the city has
> retained its Bengali culture and middle class Bengali values. You move
> around and realize that Bengali language is the medium of
> communication. People may not be materially rich but are generally
> satisfied. Bengal may create fewer jobs but 95% of those go to the
> locals. More ambitious may move to Mumbai or Delhi but when they go
> there they do not create nuisance and usually live peacefully. Now
> look at Mumbai. The city creates large number of employment
> opportunities but 95% go to people who come from outside the state.
> Such influx adds to the pressure on city infrastructure. Large
> percentage of this import is from UP and Bihar and they not only bring
> their dirty habits (eve teasing being the most prominent, theft,
> etc)but refuse to adopt the local value system. They are arrogant
> because they can do their business in HIndi unlike say in Kolkata or
> Chennai. Adopting the 3-language formula honestly was a big folly of
> Maharashtra.100% Marathis can speak and read HIndi but that now is
> becoming a disadvantage. If the engine that creates opportunities
> (Mumbai and to some extent Pune) and the benefits do not reach the
> locals then what is the use of that engine. Let that go out to any
> other place as it will make no difference to the locals. In fact the
> unnecessary crowding will be arrested. And, frankly with all this talk
> of hostility from SS and MNS is there any place worth the name in
> INdia where either Bollywood or Corporate India can move? THe solution
> lies in respecting local rights, values, culture. The
> "cosmopolitan" does not mean that the outsiders have
> only right to criticize what is local without contributing in any way
> other than money.
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> (Reply to Pradeep Phadke)- Saurav says:
> February 11,2010 at 12:23 AM IST
> Great answer Pradeep
> (Reply to Pradeep Phadke)- rakesh says:
> February 10,2010 at 02:32 PM IST
> i completely agree pradeep....good reply....
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> (Reply to rakesh)- ankita says:
> February 10,2010 at 11:08 PM IST
> this is absolutely true!!!!! respect the state, its people and
> language!!!! and it ll respect and love you!!!!!! not only the case
> with maharashtra but any state of india!!coz every state is unique and
> its culture should be respected!!!
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> (Reply to Pradeep Phadke)- Rupesh Mohite says:
> February 10,2010 at 04:29 PM IST
> Great Commets, Pradeep
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> (Reply to Pradeep Phadke)- Rupesh Mohite says:
> February 10,2010 at 04:26 PM IST
> Nice Comments, Pradeep!
> 3 Cheers for our Glorious Maharashtra!!!
> Hemant(marathi manoose) says:
> February 11,2010 at 10:16 AM IST
> We all are unnecessoryly straining our grey cells. Sena and MNS has
> nothing to do with marathi manoose.The very survival of these parties
> depend on such antics like violence and provoking emotions of marathi
> people.Its matter of bread and butter for this parties.And SRK and
> childish media has given them big oppertunity.They should be ignored
> in media and stern action should be taken by govt, but maharastra govt
> looks unwilling and incapable of doing that.If these people are really
> concerned about marathi manoose they should do something for thousands
> of marathi farmers who are commiting suicide in vidarbha!
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> Ashay says:
> February 11,2010 at 10:20 AM IST
> The problem today in major cities of Maharashtra is slums and almost
> 95% of the slums in the Mumbai and mjor cities in the state are
> created by migrants from UP and Bihar. No doubt the locals are
> agitated on this. The government land is illigally occupied by the
> immigrants. I dont know what UP and Bihar government has to say on
> this. These migrants are not adding any value to Mumbai or the state
> but are only a liability on state government. Being born and bought up
> in Mumbai and being a Mumbaikar can feel the pinch of what the city
> was and what it has become. Its high time now the migration must stop.
> Mumbai has always accepted every one with open arms and hence it has
> grown but now its bursting. The crime rate is up because of the
> migrants and the development is halted cause of non avaibility of
> land.
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> Kalyan Mumbai says:
> February 11,2010 at 10:28 AM IST
> This article is so biased. Why Congress dont focus that why people
> from UP and Bihar have to migrate. Even we (Maharashtrians) dont hate
> anyone but if someone comes from UP, Bihar since his land is taken by
> landlord, and he along with his few friends start selling 'pakoras' on
> footpath in front my balconies, what should I do? To be frank my
> neibour who is originally from UP is also fed up of these junks. And
> its the reality.
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> kiran kulkarni says:
> February 11,2010 at 10:30 AM IST
> The biggest step that should be taken to improve the relations between
> Hindus and Muslims in India is to understand the root cause--which is
> nothing but few (or most) of you supporting Pakistan. I am a proud
> Hindu and I will respect any Muslim who is a proud Muslim. However,
> this does not matter to me as long as we all are Proud Indians. We do
> not need "ambassadors of Islam" as so called Mr.
> King Khan ‘SRK’ claims to be. We need ambassadors
> of India to make India a stronger, safer and prosperous place.
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> priya says:
> February 11,2010 at 10:41 AM IST
> Dear all
> I read a few comments and then felt that the topic was just taken away
> form what it was. Before pointing fingers at others we should first
> make sure that we are correct ourselves. We all are Indians first.I
> belong to Delhi and a lot of delhites have problems with workers
> migrating from UP and bIhar, even I dont seem to like it. I talked a
> few people about it and then found the real cause of troubles. Why
> should I hate them?? R they competing with me for my job?? IS ther
> traffic because of them ?? or dot ehy pick up stuff from the same shop
> before i reach there....or bec they clog the hospitals??? The answere
> to all these is NO. They are usually labour class. They cant afford
> what we all are looking forward to. They cannot compete with us for
> anythig. Then why hate them . rather they r the ones who r workers at
> any constrauction, building raods, cleaning sewages...basically jsut
> helping us with what we dont want to do ourselve. Saying this, I dont
> mean to say that there are not educated people from UP r bihar. The
> educated ones mix up so well with the original delhites that m sure no
> one has anything to complain about them... But the issue is not
> resolved yet. There are homeless people dying on roads....who dont
> have even food. Is it their fault?? If only our govt could provide
> these people with shelter or job, they wouldnt be bothering us. If the
> govt cant do that, then they should have somehow restricted their
> migration to delhi, telling them clearly that the govt is unable to
> take care of them. Overall, m sure people wud have less things to
> complain about.
> Something similar is happening in MUmbai.....when indinas are attacked
> in australia, its racism...but when northe indians are atacked in
> mumbai, its labelled as figting for our own people....none of the
> thackerey's came forward to fight for their MUMBAIKARS on 26/11. Where
> were they. ??? There are people in the iNdian army who do not belong
> to mumabi but were figting for them....Y??
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> priya says:
> February 11,2010 at 10:48 AM IST
> cotd....
> MUMBAIKARS if feel that they can handle everything by themsleves, then
> return the rets back to INdia. WHen kasmir wants freedom its wrong but
> when mumbai wnats it...its accepatble. In this democratic country
> everyone is aloowed to make a comment, If SRK says somehting, then y
> is he made wot apologise to someone...he has alwaya apologised to the
> mass if he did something worng. Who is thakarey. Is he our moral
> leader??
> Has he done anything for the one poor ones?? stop blindly fowwlong
> stupid like them bec u feel he is doing good for mumbai. he is doing
> al this nonsense to stay in limelight, win in elections ad them eat
> away all the money he is given for area development. he wasnt loyal to
> his uncle thakcrey....he isnt loyal to his nation ( the nation who
> preaches us to love everyone) then u think he;s loyal to u
> people....non sense....people pls wake up...lets stop fighting amongst
> ourselves. IF U R GOOD ,THEN SUCCES WIL COME RUNNING AFTER YOU...u
> dont need any reservation for that.......pls lets be united n stand up
> agiasnt such politicans who r trying to divide the counrty....
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> mohan says:
> February 11,2010 at 10:51 AM IST
> Who has commented this might have very filmy mind.Even also he thought
> of SRK & other leaving Mumbai.Also he called Mumbai Meeca due
> to SRK................
> What yaar.., what is in your mind?
> Was not Mumbai/Bombay there when no one know SRK?And also Mumbai is
> not only for bollywood but for more than that.
> Well i am not against SRK also i admire him,but the way this man has
> written this blog need ignorance,how much a good editor he may be!
> Ragini says:
> February 11,2010 at 10:55 AM IST
> The day is not far when Bollywood will shift to Noida. Credit will go
> to SS and MNS
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> Anana Parmarkar says:
> February 11,2010 at 11:00 AM IST
> Also,statements made by Rahul Gandhi like "All Indians are
> one", "Indians should be free to live in any part of
> India" do not mean a goddamn thing.These are just pandering
> statements made for the cow belt masses and do not take into account
> the finer aspects of mass migration and it's impacts on communities.
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> sachin says:
> February 11,2010 at 11:23 AM IST
> mumbai will never become kolkatta.We will not have problem who goes
> and who comes in.We are capable to take care of ourselves.If entire
> film industry goes to Delhi it will be welcome step for us.Atleast
> marathi culture will be saved which is getting ruined day by day..
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> harvard gomes says:
> February 11,2010 at 11:31 AM IST
> qhy r u cesnoring comments liek a fascist and pretending to be holier
> than thou? . so publish this.hey suraiya where do u and toi hide when
> mms makes comments like muslims have first claim on resources and when
> hindus were cleansed out of kashmir .now dont axe this like a
> fanatic.atleast sena does not lecture and then do the same thing that
> they lecture against.u guys pretend to be concerned about rights and
> then suppress the opposite view whcih is far more truthful than yours
> unless u can rebutt it.and if u axe this u are a hypocrite and atleast
> the sena is not.
> u r both a fascist for censoring this and a hypocrite which sena is
> not.
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> kRUSH says:
> February 11,2010 at 12:11 PM IST
> SHIV SENA SHOULD BE BANNED AND TERMED AS INTERNAL TERRORIST GROUP.
> NO ONE HAS RIGHTS TO PLAY WITH LAW.
> CONGRESS HAS BADLY FAILED TO CONTROL BOTH SHIVSENA AND MNS.
> EVERY MUMBAIKAR/INDIAN SHOULD GO AND WATCH MOVIE PROVING THEIR STAND
> AGAINST THACKREYS DESTRUCTIVE IDEOLOGY.
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> Piyush says:
> February 11,2010 at 12:15 PM IST
> The Shiv Sena has no right to represent the marathis in a wrong way.
> And who elected these stupid narrow minded people? I'm myself a
> Marathi and totally oppose the thoughts of shiv Sena. It's time for
> the government to ban the Shiv Sens who is deteriorating the image of
> Maharashtra.
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> Shah says:
> February 11,2010 at 12:16 PM IST
> Its a time for Youth of India to get together. Vote right people.
> Throw out goons, corrupt, and dictators, who want to divide India for
> their cheap interests.
> Mumbai is beautiful and Indian Youths should take responsibility to
> make other parts of India too like Mumbai. Educate more and more
> people you know around you. Enable them to take right decision.
> Don't be afraid of these cheap goons. They are too little to take over
> power of current Indian Youths.
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> amol nikam says:
> February 11,2010 at 12:38 PM IST
> why shahrukh is so adamant?why he is making statements that doubts his
> national integrity?when ipl made it very clear that no pak player will
> play in this edition,why shahrukh is going in public and showing his
> pak prem?in u.s.he says pakistanis r good neighbours,what he wants to
> say ?its ridiculous!u r so called brand ambassitor of our country and
> u r saying this?why?only becouse ur film should make money outside
> india?shame on u shahrukh.
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> mandar says:
> February 11,2010 at 12:45 PM IST
> Mr writer
> Nice article. But its all hyped media hype..
> I am maharashtrian, indian first ..Mumbai is safest for all------but
> we dont welcome migrants anymore .
> SRK Why he is so fond of pakis? IPL or no one cares if pakis are thr
> or not . wat it SRK;S family was present during 26/11 or stuck in that
> event would he be again have red carpets for pakis
> We will not forget or forgive for 26/11 it was attack on india.
> To all my friends migration is issue..
> wat senas saying locals should get or 100% prefrence in jobs wats
> wrong in that?
> SRK ABU AZMI STAYING IN MUMBAI For 20 years and u cant speak marathi?
> thats shameful
> intention is not to learn .
> Instead of blaming senas why cant all wise ppl blame bihar up's
> exortion poor castism poor mindsets bad politics naxalits
> bihar up are most backward states in india. why cant central govt
> develop IT PARK INDUSTRIES There.
> SRK Should stop barking as he is just actor not god as media is
> showcasing.should be careful in future about commenting on pakistan.
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> Unmesh says:
> February 11,2010 at 12:47 PM IST
> The media is unncesarilly spoiling MNS's image. They have not said a
> single word in this issue. And if SRK is deeply hurted (because of
> nonselectivness pakistani players in IPL) then why did he choose Shane
> bond & didnt pick up any of the Pakistani player? He still has
> a time & cancel the tie with other foreign players &
> replace them with pakistanis. He himself has invited the controversy
> & has to face it. One should be extremely conscious (about his
> words) when you speak in Mumbai. It is not only the capital of
> Maharshtra but also the homeland of Shivsena & MNS. Nobody has
> a power to challenge Bal thackeray & I think SRK will have to
> elaborate to Shivsena chief about what he has said.
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> sandeep says:
> February 11,2010 at 12:53 PM IST
> we talk about Indians being attacked in Australia and feel hurt about
> it, but look at our own country what shiv sena is doing to devide
> india is that not racism ?
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> iNDIAN Fighter says:
> February 11,2010 at 12:56 PM IST
> He will not approve i think so
> the article has been deleted many times....!
> WAITING FOR +VE REPLY...!
> Shah says:
> February 11,2010 at 01:00 PM IST
> Its a time for Youth of India to get together. Vote right people.
> Throw out goons, corrupt, and dictators, who want to divide India for
> their cheap interests.
> Mumbai is beautiful and Indian Youths should take responsibility to
> make other parts of India too like Mumbai. Educate more and more
> people you know around you. Enable them to take right decision.
> Don't be afraid of these cheap goons. They are too little to take over
> power of current Indian Youths.
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> Yogesh Shastri says:
> February 11,2010 at 01:07 PM IST
> Dear Jug,
> A lot has been written about Sena's hatred and Rahul's love for India.
> SRK's comment about Pakistani players is also being debated
> intellectually. For a moment, I urge all readers to take a pause, stop
> and think.
> Why these issues arise at all? These issues arise, because common man
> is frightened.
> He is frightened of SRK inviting pakistani players as some might carry
> AK-47s with them (You know I can't trust them after what happened at
> Kargil and Mumbai. Look at what thier home minister is saying day in
> and day out.
> The common man is also frightened of Rahul visits. He can also look
> into the great Rahul deception. You can do whatever when you are
> surrounded by Z-plus security personnel. But what about getting beaten
> by Sainiks while trying to make a daily living, without an ATM card?
> The common man is also frighetened of whether he will be able to
> survive in this Mayanagri with escalating prices and deteriorating
> employement opportunities. He also worries if his next generation
> would be able to get a decent job or even education with the
> reservations being done in educational institutes and jobs.
> Go on Mr. Jug Suraiya. You don't have an inkling on what common man is
> going through. Step out of your beautifully decorated and creativity
> inspiring penthouse and get the grasp of reality. Address the real
> issues like poverty, unemployement, illiteracy and apparent
> appeasement of certain communities. Quashing or curbing Sena or the
> likes is not the solution, as you might already know. Educate people
> and give them enough to feed thier families and you know, you'll have
> solved a range of problems from naxalism to vandalism. But then it
> would not make an intersting article, would it Mr. Jug ?
> http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/jugglebandhi/entry/maha-disaster
> ...and I am Sid Harth