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 by: ltlee1 - Tue, 20 Sep 2022 23:17 UTC

"如果媒體報導可信,那麼這種新概念武器將不僅是航母殺手,而且是另一種改變海戰規則的武器,可能迫使美軍再度調整部署。為什麼?第一,「跨介質」反艦武器兼有飛彈與魚雷的優點,軍艦防禦系統很難應付。第二,價格便宜,可大量部署。而後者這優點,千萬不能小看。

戰爭打的是鈔票
...
其次談「跨介質武器」的優點。依據媒體報導,這款「跨介質超音速反艦飛彈」能以2.5倍音速在1萬公尺高空飛行200 公里,然後俯衝掠海飛行 20公里,距目標10公里內時就會進入魚雷模式,以高達秒速100米的速度在水下潛航。所謂「天下武功,惟快不破」,如果真有那麼快的速度,即便被發現,對方也來不及反應。而且採魚雷攻擊模式;魚雷對船艦的破壞力高於飛彈。
...
但魚雷不一樣。它是在水面下爆炸,爆炸產生衝擊波能將船身推高,瞬間後的真空狀態又會把船吸下來。一推一吸的剪力可以折斷船的龍骨。船龍骨折斷,就會像鐵達尼號下沉一樣,沒得救。二戰時的經驗,一枚裝藥500公斤的魚雷可以擊沉一艘4、5000噸的大船。這就是「跨介質武器」可怕的地方:像飛彈一般快速接近目標,再以魚雷的威力摧毀目標。

事實上,中國最近研發反艦武器有「跨介質」的趨勢。
...
烏克蘭戰爭顯示,戰場上遠程火力打擊的威力與重要性。簡單來說,就是我打得到你,你卻打不到我。能以亞音速貼海飛行1000多公里的跨介質武器在戰略上的意義,就是琉球以西的大小軍艦,基本上都打得到,而且價格便宜。如果有數百架庫存,對美軍分散式部署的威脅不言而喻。

就武器發展來說,東風21D反艦彈道飛彈、跨介質超音速反艦飛彈,以及彩虹-T1無人機,都是新概念武器,美軍或整個西方都沒有類似產品。其創意發想是以小博大,為改變戰場劣勢而設計。換言之,就是「不對稱作戰」。「以敵為師」或「師敵之長」是回應戰爭威脅的必要態度。國軍如果真想打「不對稱作戰」,台灣高科技人才不少,應可嘗試類似途徑發展適合台灣的不對稱作戰武器,或許比採購美國發展的飛彈或無人機更合用些。"

https://www.chinatimes.com/opinion/20220921000006-262110?ctrack=pc_opinion_headl_p01&chdtv

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 by: stoney - Sun, 25 Sep 2022 09:02 UTC

On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 7:17:30 AM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> "如果媒體報導可信,那麼這種新概念武器將不僅是航母殺手,而且是另一種改變海戰規則的武器,可能迫使美軍再度調整部署。為什麼?第一,「跨介質」反艦武器兼有飛彈與魚雷的優點,軍艦防禦系統很難應付。第二,價格便宜,可大量部署。而後者這優點,千萬不能小看。
> 戰爭打的是鈔票
> ...
> 其次談「跨介質武器」的優點。依據媒體報導,這款「跨介質超音速反艦飛彈」能以2.5倍音速在1萬公尺高空飛行200 公里,然後俯衝掠海飛行 20公里,距目標10公里內時就會進入魚雷模式,以高達秒速100米的速度在水下潛航。所謂「天下武功,惟快不破」,如果真有那麼快的速度,即便被發現,對方也來不及反應。而且採魚雷攻擊模式;魚雷對船艦的破壞力高於飛彈。
> ...
> 但魚雷不一樣。它是在水面下爆炸,爆炸產生衝擊波能將船身推高,瞬間後的真空狀態又會把船吸下來。一推一吸的剪力可以折斷船的龍骨。船龍骨折斷,就會像鐵達尼號下沉一樣,沒得救。二戰時的經驗,一枚裝藥500公斤的魚雷可以擊沉一艘4、5000噸的大船。這就是「跨介質武器」可怕的地方:像飛彈一般快速接近目標,再以魚雷的威力摧毀目標。
> 事實上,中國最近研發反艦武器有「跨介質」的趨勢。
> ...
> 烏克蘭戰爭顯示,戰場上遠程火力打擊的威力與重要性。簡單來說,就是我打得到你,你卻打不到我。能以亞音速貼海飛行1000多公里的跨介質武器在戰略上的意義,就是琉球以西的大小軍艦,基本上都打得到,而且價格便宜。如果有數百架庫存,對美軍分散式部署的威脅不言而喻。
> 就武器發展來說,東風21D反艦彈道飛彈、跨介質超音速反艦飛彈,以及彩虹-T1無人機,都是新概念武器,美軍或整個西方都沒有類似產品。其創意發想是以小博大,為改變戰場劣勢而設計。換言之,就是「不對稱作戰」。「以敵為師」或「師敵之長」是回應戰爭威脅的必要態度。國軍如果真想打「不對稱作戰」,台灣高科技人才不少,應可嘗試類似途徑發展適合台灣的不對稱作戰武器,或許比採購美國發展的飛彈或無人機更合用些。"
> https://www.chinatimes.com/opinion/20220921000006-262110?ctrack=pc_opinion_headl_p01&chdtv

This Chinatimes.com is owned by Taiwan's want want rice cracker company supporting the blue camp, KMT party. Here they highlighted the weapons that China had. However, China will not disclose of its ability and capability, and its capacity of production that are underway in many tested of new concept weaponry products.

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 by: ltlee1 - Sun, 25 Sep 2022 11:17 UTC

On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 9:02:17 AM UTC, stoney wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 7:17:30 AM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > "如果媒體報導可信,那麼這種新概念武器將不僅是航母殺手,而且是另一種改變海戰規則的武器,可能迫使美軍再度調整部署。為什麼?第一,「跨介質」反艦武器兼有飛彈與魚雷的優點,軍艦防禦系統很難應付。第二,價格便宜,可大量部署。而後者這優點,千萬不能小看。
> > 戰爭打的是鈔票
> > ...
> > 其次談「跨介質武器」的優點。依據媒體報導,這款「跨介質超音速反艦飛彈」能以2.5倍音速在1萬公尺高空飛行200 公里,然後俯衝掠海飛行 20公里,距目標10公里內時就會進入魚雷模式,以高達秒速100米的速度在水下潛航。所謂「天下武功,惟快不破」,如果真有那麼快的速度,即便被發現,對方也來不及反應。而且採魚雷攻擊模式;魚雷對船艦的破壞力高於飛彈。
> > ...
> > 但魚雷不一樣。它是在水面下爆炸,爆炸產生衝擊波能將船身推高,瞬間後的真空狀態又會把船吸下來。一推一吸的剪力可以折斷船的龍骨。船龍骨折斷,就會像鐵達尼號下沉一樣,沒得救。二戰時的經驗,一枚裝藥500公斤的魚雷可以擊沉一艘4、5000噸的大船。這就是「跨介質武器」可怕的地方:像飛彈一般快速接近目標,再以魚雷的威力摧毀目標。
> > 事實上,中國最近研發反艦武器有「跨介質」的趨勢。
> > ...
> > 烏克蘭戰爭顯示,戰場上遠程火力打擊的威力與重要性。簡單來說,就是我打得到你,你卻打不到我。能以亞音速貼海飛行1000多公里的跨介質武器在戰略上的意義,就是琉球以西的大小軍艦,基本上都打得到,而且價格便宜。如果有數百架庫存,對美軍分散式部署的威脅不言而喻。
> > 就武器發展來說,東風21D反艦彈道飛彈、跨介質超音速反艦飛彈,以及彩虹-T1無人機,都是新概念武器,美軍或整個西方都沒有類似產品。其創意發想是以小博大,為改變戰場劣勢而設計。換言之,就是「不對稱作戰」。「以敵為師」或「師敵之長」是回應戰爭威脅的必要態度。國軍如果真想打「不對稱作戰」,台灣高科技人才不少,應可嘗試類似途徑發展適合台灣的不對稱作戰武器,或許比採購美國發展的飛彈或無人機更合用些。"
> > https://www.chinatimes.com/opinion/20220921000006-262110?ctrack=pc_opinion_headl_p01&chdtv
> This Chinatimes.com is owned by Taiwan's want want rice cracker company supporting the blue camp, KMT party. Here they highlighted the weapons that China had. However, China will not disclose of its ability and capability, and its capacity of production that are underway in many tested of new concept weaponry products.

Taiwan certainly has it blue and green camps.
But the color also changes with time. Blue camp was certainly bluer when the KMT was in power.
It is more greenish several years ago. But less greenish during the past 2 years.

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 by: stoney - Wed, 5 Oct 2022 17:08 UTC

On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 7:17:10 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 9:02:17 AM UTC, stoney wrote:
> > On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 7:17:30 AM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > "如果媒體報導可信,那麼這種新概念武器將不僅是航母殺手,而且是另一種改變海戰規則的武器,可能迫使美軍再度調整部署。為什麼?第一,「跨介質」反艦武器兼有飛彈與魚雷的優點,軍艦防禦系統很難應付。第二,價格便宜,可大量部署。而後者這優點,千萬不能小看。
> > > 戰爭打的是鈔票
> > > ...
> > > 其次談「跨介質武器」的優點。依據媒體報導,這款「跨介質超音速反艦飛彈」能以2.5倍音速在1萬公尺高空飛行200 公里,然後俯衝掠海飛行 20公里,距目標10公里內時就會進入魚雷模式,以高達秒速100米的速度在水下潛航。所謂「天下武功,惟快不破」,如果真有那麼快的速度,即便被發現,對方也來不及反應。而且採魚雷攻擊模式;魚雷對船艦的破壞力高於飛彈。
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> > > 但魚雷不一樣。它是在水面下爆炸,爆炸產生衝擊波能將船身推高,瞬間後的真空狀態又會把船吸下來。一推一吸的剪力可以折斷船的龍骨。船龍骨折斷,就會像鐵達尼號下沉一樣,沒得救。二戰時的經驗,一枚裝藥500公斤的魚雷可以擊沉一艘4、5000噸的大船。這就是「跨介質武器」可怕的地方:像飛彈一般快速接近目標,再以魚雷的威力摧毀目標。
> > > 事實上,中國最近研發反艦武器有「跨介質」的趨勢。
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> > > 烏克蘭戰爭顯示,戰場上遠程火力打擊的威力與重要性。簡單來說,就是我打得到你,你卻打不到我。能以亞音速貼海飛行1000多公里的跨介質武器在戰略上的意義,就是琉球以西的大小軍艦,基本上都打得到,而且價格便宜。如果有數百架庫存,對美軍分散式部署的威脅不言而喻。
> > > 就武器發展來說,東風21D反艦彈道飛彈、跨介質超音速反艦飛彈,以及彩虹-T1無人機,都是新概念武器,美軍或整個西方都沒有類似產品。其創意發想是以小博大,為改變戰場劣勢而設計。換言之,就是「不對稱作戰」。「以敵為師」或「師敵之長」是回應戰爭威脅的必要態度。國軍如果真想打「不對稱作戰」,台灣高科技人才不少,應可嘗試類似途徑發展適合台灣的不對稱作戰武器,或許比採購美國發展的飛彈或無人機更合用些。"
> > > https://www.chinatimes.com/opinion/20220921000006-262110?ctrack=pc_opinion_headl_p01&chdtv
> > This Chinatimes.com is owned by Taiwan's want want rice cracker company supporting the blue camp, KMT party. Here they highlighted the weapons that China had. However, China will not disclose of its ability and capability, and its capacity of production that are underway in many tested of new concept weaponry products.
> Taiwan certainly has it blue and green camps.
> But the color also changes with time. Blue camp was certainly bluer when the KMT was in power.
> It is more greenish several years ago. But less greenish during the past 2 years.

Less greenish means washed too many times. They never changed now ones. Blue in power was darker blue because they time and money to wash and replace with new one. But now KMT is not in power, their flag languished in light die to too much ultra-violet light on it and not washing it, too.

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