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Subject: An open appeal from Murat to Axel
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 by: MK - Thu, 5 Jan 2023 12:52 UTC

Axel, you are special to me, for doing the
"Murat mutant experiment" if for nothing
else. And then for doing more experiments
even after you had declared "case closed".

You are better than Tim Chow, Phillippe
Michel, et. al. because they would have
never done such an experiment.

Phillippe Michel wouldn't implement trivial
feature additions, that I had suggested, to
Gnubg that even a "school boy of 12 years"
could easily make in a matter of hours, if
not minutes.

If those features were implemented, we all
(including you) could run all kinds of mutant
experiments without each needing to program
our own mutant bots.

Gnung team will implemet features like your
Isight or whatever else "gilding the brown lily"
type of features but won't implement anything
that may work against their own interests, by
debunking any bullshit that Gnubg is shakily
built on...

I will keep extending out my friendly hand to
you, with the hope that someday you will grab
it because you are different, better than them.

If peer pressure or your being a mentally ill
gambler makes it difficult for you to cross the
line to come over to my side all the way, it's
okay. Just try to meet me half way. Or even to
just make one baby step at a time towards me.
Be a gambler by night and be a real, sober, sane
mathematician by day. Can you do that...?

How old are you? Not yet old enough enough to
be who you choose to be and fuck them all...?

As long as you don't get it to your head too much,
I absolutely don't mind sticking my neck out to
make such a public appeal to you because the
possible rewards from it can be revolutionary...

Have courage Axel! You can do it...

MK

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 by: Timothy Chow - Thu, 5 Jan 2023 13:17 UTC

On 1/5/2023 7:52 AM, MK wrote:
> I will keep extending out my friendly hand to
> you, with the hope that someday you will grab
> it because you are different, better than them.
>
> If peer pressure or your being a mentally ill
> gambler makes it difficult for you to cross the
> line to come over to my side all the way, it's
> okay. Just try to meet me half way. Or even to
> just make one baby step at a time towards me.

With friends like these, who needs enemies?

---
Tim Chow

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Subject: Re: An open appeal from Murat to Axel
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 by: MK - Thu, 5 Jan 2023 13:51 UTC

On January 5, 2023 at 6:18:01 AM UTC-7, Tim Chow wrote:

> On 1/5/2023 7:52 AM, MK wrote:

>> I will keep extending out my friendly hand to
>> you, with the hope that someday you will grab
>> it because you are different, better than them.

> With friends like these, who needs enemies?

Thank you for illustrating my point by posting
a one-liner with zero substance... ;)

Even though I think Axel may be a sick gambler,
in negative equity to his other positive qualities,
don't worry, I will never deem anyone else as
sick as you are, in the way that you are sick... ;)

MK

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Subject: Re: An open appeal from Murat to Axel
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 by: Timothy Chow - Fri, 6 Jan 2023 12:47 UTC

On 1/5/2023 8:51 AM, MK wrote:
> On January 5, 2023 at 6:18:01 AM UTC-7, Tim Chow wrote:
>
>> On 1/5/2023 7:52 AM, MK wrote:
>
>>> I will keep extending out my friendly hand to
>>> you, with the hope that someday you will grab
>>> it because you are different, better than them.
>
>> With friends like these, who needs enemies?
>
> Thank you for illustrating my point by posting
> a one-liner with zero substance... ;)

Thank you for illustrating my point by cleverly deleting the
insults you hurled at Axel!

---
Tim Chow

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Subject: Re: An open appeal from Murat to Axel
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 by: MK - Fri, 6 Jan 2023 18:33 UTC

On January 6, 2023 at 5:47:24 AM UTC-7, Tim Chow wrote:

> On 1/5/2023 8:51 AM, MK wrote:

>> On January 5, 2023 at 6:18:01 AM UTC-7, Tim Chow wrote:

>>> With friends like these, who needs enemies?

>> Thank you for illustrating my point by posting
>> a one-liner with zero substance... ;)

> Thank you for illustrating my point by cleverly
> deleting the insults you hurled at Axel!

I will reply and explain nicely because I would
like to be understood, (and correctly), especially
by Axel in this particular case.

First to your accusation: the only thing that may
be taken as insult in my original post was calling
him a mentally ill gambler, (which wasn't the first
time). I have used the words ill/sick gambler for
years, more to make a factual point than to insult,
for pretty much any/every gambler here.

In my reply to you, I didn't requote that paragraph
to focus on your and my usage of the word "friend"
but I also repeated myself by using the words "sick
gambler". Ironically, you deleted that line yourself
in your last reply to me...

Now, on to my general reply: There are millions of
gamblers in the world and I have never been on a
mission to save the humanity from its illnesses. I
only resented the gamblegammon gamblers for
having turned backgammon, that I much love, into
a gambling tool but in time, I got over that also.

When some people are proud to call themselves
"professional gambler", I didn't think calling some
mentally ill/sick gamblers would be an insult since
gambling is considered addiction, disorder, illness
but neither would I mind if some took it as an insult.

As gamblers in general are in denial of their illness,
my concern is that gamblegammon gamblers use
and defend all kinds of fallacies in order to deceive
themselves that they participate in skill competitions
and such, as a way to deny their addiction/illness.

As mathematicians, computer programmers, etc. I
don't think gamblers can see bullshit like "cube skill"
for what it really is. I don't think Axel can either. :(
That's why I was encouraging him to do as much as
he possibly can, (i.e. by being a sick gambler by night
and a sane mathematician by day)... I hope that he
(and you, and others) will make efforts to look at and
see backgammon through the eyes of a non-gambler.

MK

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 by: Timothy Chow - Sat, 7 Jan 2023 13:29 UTC

On 1/6/2023 1:33 PM, MK wrote:
> First to your accusation: the only thing that may
> be taken as insult in my original post was calling
> him a mentally ill gambler, (which wasn't the first
> time).

LOL. I guess by your standards, it's high praise to ask, "How old
are you? Not yet old enough enough to be who you choose to be and
fuck them all...?"

---
Tim Chow

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Subject: Re: An open appeal from Murat to Axel
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 by: MK - Sun, 8 Jan 2023 09:40 UTC

On January 7, 2023 at 6:29:58 AM UTC-7, Tim Chow wrote:

> On 1/6/2023 1:33 PM, MK wrote:

>> First to your accusation: the only thing that may
>> be taken as insult in my original post was calling
>> him a mentally ill gambler, (which wasn't the first
> > time).

> LOL. I guess by your standards, it's high praise to
> ask, "How old are you? Not yet old enough enough
> to be who you choose to be and fuck them all...?"

Did anyone say it was a praise? I was referring back
to my preceeding comment about "peer pressure". It
generally takes getting gray/white haired/bearded to
be able free onself from it.

I'm not surprised that members of packs of sick dogs
like you may not understand what it is like. Ever... :(

MK

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