The war in Ukraine is expanding and escalating. Russia’s performance until now left much to be desired. It’s facing defeat in both the diplomatic and battle fields.

Should China get involved?

US-led sanctions
This is happening, openly or subtly, in every area. It is now happening to Chinese science and technology, especially in the field of semiconductor. The Chinese should harbor no hope that the US will change its antagonistic policy and strategy on China, now or in the future..

World Order
Victory for NATO in Ukraine means the world will remain a unipolar US-led one. In such a world, China will always be viewed as a world threat and its continuing rise will face challenges.

Global Politics
Under its Global Strategy, the US considers China a longer term and bigger threat to the US and the world than Russia. This is going to get worse for China unless it is willing to curb its rise and subordinate itself to the US. The US can take on Russia or China one at a time but not simultaneously..
Chinese involvement in Ukraine on the side of the Russian will greatly increase the chance of a Russian victory in Ukraine. It will tie down the US-led West in Ukraine. The US will have to reduce its military presence in other parts of the world to augment that in Ukraine.

Geopolitics
After China, India will have to make a stand. Right now, it is benefiting from both US and Russia. Which ever side it takes, it will be abandoned by the other, making it a lesser threat to China.

In the battlefield.
Unlike the US whose weapons have been tested in several wars, many new and advanced Chinese weapons have not been tested in battles before. The Russians would be most keen to acquire these for use in Ukraine. Ukraine would be a good testing ground for Chinese weapons, especially against those from the US-and-Allies.

Nuclear War
There are those believe that the war in Ukraine will escalate to a full-scale nuclear one between US and Russia and therefore China should not be foolish enough to get nuked too. A tactical nuclear war in Ukraine maybe but not a full-scale nuclear war between US and Russia. That would be MAD – Mutually Assured Destruction. Both sides have enough nuclear weapons to destroy the world several times over. Why would they only annihilate each other and leave the rest of the world intact? Most likely they will take the whole world down along with them. No nation in the world would want this to happen. Therefore, it will not happen.

On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 2:38:35 PM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
> The war in Ukraine is expanding and escalating. Russia’s performance until now left much to be desired. It’s facing defeat in both the diplomatic and battle fields.
>
> Should China get involved?
>
> US-led sanctions
> This is happening, openly or subtly, in every area. It is now happening to Chinese science and technology, especially in the field of semiconductor. The Chinese should harbor no hope that the US will change its antagonistic policy and strategy on China, now or in the future..
>
> World Order
> Victory for NATO in Ukraine means the world will remain a unipolar US-led one. In such a world, China will always be viewed as a world threat and its continuing rise will face challenges.
>
>
> Global Politics
> Under its Global Strategy, the US considers China a longer term and bigger threat to the US and the world than Russia. This is going to get worse for China unless it is willing to curb its rise and subordinate itself to the US. The US can take on Russia or China one at a time but not simultaneously.
> Chinese involvement in Ukraine on the side of the Russian will greatly increase the chance of a Russian victory in Ukraine. It will tie down the US-led West in Ukraine. The US will have to reduce its military presence in other parts of the world to augment that in Ukraine.
>
>
> Geopolitics
> After China, India will have to make a stand. Right now, it is benefiting from both US and Russia. Which ever side it takes, it will be abandoned by the other, making it a lesser threat to China.
>
>
> In the battlefield.
> Unlike the US whose weapons have been tested in several wars, many new and advanced Chinese weapons have not been tested in battles before. The Russians would be most keen to acquire these for use in Ukraine. Ukraine would be a good testing ground for Chinese weapons, especially against those from the US-and-Allies.
>
> Nuclear War
> There are those believe that the war in Ukraine will escalate to a full-scale nuclear one between US and Russia and therefore China should not be foolish enough to get nuked too. A tactical nuclear war in Ukraine maybe but not a full-scale nuclear war between US and Russia. That would be MAD – Mutually Assured Destruction. Both sides have enough nuclear weapons to destroy the world several times over. Why would they only annihilate each other and leave the rest of the world intact? Most likely they will take the whole world down along with them. No nation in the world would want this to happen. Therefore, it will not happen.

Does Putin really need or want Chinese help?
May be a more appropriate question is:
Should China thank Biden that he was not Putin?

Ukraine's Donbas region wants to be free from Ukrainian Nazism and China's
Taiwan wants to be free from Chinese Communism. One with Russian support
and one with US support. I had suggested many years ago before Ukraine was
international headline news that the easiest way to wrestle Taiwan from China
is to have it became US state or states.

The rest is history.
Donbas and two other regions had successfully voted themselves independent
and then got themselves incorporated into Russia. The ROC'sfree region is still
the ROC's free region constitutionally waiting to be unify with its Mainland region.

On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 11:34:15 AM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 2:38:35 PM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
> > The war in Ukraine is expanding and escalating. Russia’s performance until now left much to be desired. It’s facing defeat in both the diplomatic and battle fields.
> >
> > Should China get involved?
> >
> > US-led sanctions
> > This is happening, openly or subtly, in every area. It is now happening to Chinese science and technology, especially in the field of semiconductor. The Chinese should harbor no hope that the US will change its antagonistic policy and strategy on China, now or in the future..
> >
> > World Order
> > Victory for NATO in Ukraine means the world will remain a unipolar US-led one. In such a world, China will always be viewed as a world threat and its continuing rise will face challenges.
> >
> >
> > Global Politics
> > Under its Global Strategy, the US considers China a longer term and bigger threat to the US and the world than Russia. This is going to get worse for China unless it is willing to curb its rise and subordinate itself to the US. The US can take on Russia or China one at a time but not simultaneously.
> > Chinese involvement in Ukraine on the side of the Russian will greatly increase the chance of a Russian victory in Ukraine. It will tie down the US-led West in Ukraine. The US will have to reduce its military presence in other parts of the world to augment that in Ukraine.
> >
> >
> > Geopolitics
> > After China, India will have to make a stand. Right now, it is benefiting from both US and Russia. Which ever side it takes, it will be abandoned by the other, making it a lesser threat to China.
> >
> >
> > In the battlefield.
> > Unlike the US whose weapons have been tested in several wars, many new and advanced Chinese weapons have not been tested in battles before. The Russians would be most keen to acquire these for use in Ukraine. Ukraine would be a good testing ground for Chinese weapons, especially against those from the US-and-Allies.
> >
> > Nuclear War
> > There are those believe that the war in Ukraine will escalate to a full-scale nuclear one between US and Russia and therefore China should not be foolish enough to get nuked too. A tactical nuclear war in Ukraine maybe but not a full-scale nuclear war between US and Russia. That would be MAD – Mutually Assured Destruction. Both sides have enough nuclear weapons to destroy the world several times over. Why would they only annihilate each other and leave the rest of the world intact? Most likely they will take the whole world down along with them. No nation in the world would want this to happen. Therefore, it will not happen.
> Does Putin really need or want Chinese help?
> May be a more appropriate question is:
> Should China thank Biden that he was not Putin?
>
> Ukraine's Donbas region wants to be free from Ukrainian Nazism and China's
> Taiwan wants to be free from Chinese Communism. One with Russian support
> and one with US support. I had suggested many years ago before Ukraine was
> international headline news that the easiest way to wrestle Taiwan from China
> is to have it became US state or states.
>
> The rest is history.
> Donbas and two other regions had successfully voted themselves independent
> and then got themselves incorporated into Russia. The ROC'sfree region is still
> the ROC's free region constitutionally waiting to be unify with its Mainland region.
With reference to Taiwan, there's more reasons for China to help Russia in Ukraine.

It's getting more likely that China and US will clash over Taiwan. To prepare for this, China should first fight the US in a proxy war, far away from its own neighborhood. Ukraine offers a good opportunity for this.
Not necessarily Chinese boots on the ground. Selling Chinese weapons to the Russians will be a good start. Ukraine will be a good testing ground for Chinese weapons against US.
Look at how Iranian drones are being used in Ukraine. Iran now knows how effective its drones are against US-supplied air defenses.

On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 2:38:35 PM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
> The war in Ukraine is expanding and escalating. Russia’s performance until now left much to be desired. It’s facing defeat in both the diplomatic and battle fields.
>
> Should China get involved?
>
> US-led sanctions
> This is happening, openly or subtly, in every area. It is now happening to Chinese science and technology, especially in the field of semiconductor. The Chinese should harbor no hope that the US will change its antagonistic policy and strategy on China, now or in the future..
>
> World Order
> Victory for NATO in Ukraine means the world will remain a unipolar US-led one. In such a world, China will always be viewed as a world threat and its continuing rise will face challenges.
>
>
> Global Politics
> Under its Global Strategy, the US considers China a longer term and bigger threat to the US and the world than Russia. This is going to get worse for China unless it is willing to curb its rise and subordinate itself to the US. The US can take on Russia or China one at a time but not simultaneously.
> Chinese involvement in Ukraine on the side of the Russian will greatly increase the chance of a Russian victory in Ukraine. It will tie down the US-led West in Ukraine. The US will have to reduce its military presence in other parts of the world to augment that in Ukraine.
>
>
> Geopolitics
> After China, India will have to make a stand. Right now, it is benefiting from both US and Russia. Which ever side it takes, it will be abandoned by the other, making it a lesser threat to China.
>
>
> In the battlefield.
> Unlike the US whose weapons have been tested in several wars, many new and advanced Chinese weapons have not been tested in battles before. The Russians would be most keen to acquire these for use in Ukraine. Ukraine would be a good testing ground for Chinese weapons, especially against those from the US-and-Allies.
>
> Nuclear War
> There are those believe that the war in Ukraine will escalate to a full-scale nuclear one between US and Russia and therefore China should not be foolish enough to get nuked too. A tactical nuclear war in Ukraine maybe but not a full-scale nuclear war between US and Russia. That would be MAD – Mutually Assured Destruction. Both sides have enough nuclear weapons to destroy the world several times over. Why would they only annihilate each other and leave the rest of the world intact? Most likely they will take the whole world down along with them. No nation in the world would want this to happen. Therefore, it will not happen.

China has not much left to fear about sanctions from the US. The US is going to decouple from China and isolate it from the rest of the world. What sanctions can be worse than these?

The US will go to war with China over Taiwan not alone but with a coalition.. China too needs a coalition. Joining in with Russia would be a right move.. Therefore it is wise of China to help Russia now in its war with US-led NATO in Ukraine. It will reap future dividends.

On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 1:00:27 PM UTC+8, decadence thlon wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 2:38:35 PM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
> > The war in Ukraine is expanding and escalating. Russia’s performance until now left much to be desired. It’s facing defeat in both the diplomatic and battle fields.
> >
> > Should China get involved?
> >
> > US-led sanctions
> > This is happening, openly or subtly, in every area. It is now happening to Chinese science and technology, especially in the field of semiconductor. The Chinese should harbor no hope that the US will change its antagonistic policy and strategy on China, now or in the future..
> >
> > World Order
> > Victory for NATO in Ukraine means the world will remain a unipolar US-led one. In such a world, China will always be viewed as a world threat and its continuing rise will face challenges.
> >
> >
> > Global Politics
> > Under its Global Strategy, the US considers China a longer term and bigger threat to the US and the world than Russia. This is going to get worse for China unless it is willing to curb its rise and subordinate itself to the US. The US can take on Russia or China one at a time but not simultaneously.
> > Chinese involvement in Ukraine on the side of the Russian will greatly increase the chance of a Russian victory in Ukraine. It will tie down the US-led West in Ukraine. The US will have to reduce its military presence in other parts of the world to augment that in Ukraine.
> >
> >
> > Geopolitics
> > After China, India will have to make a stand. Right now, it is benefiting from both US and Russia. Which ever side it takes, it will be abandoned by the other, making it a lesser threat to China.
> >
> >
> > In the battlefield.
> > Unlike the US whose weapons have been tested in several wars, many new and advanced Chinese weapons have not been tested in battles before. The Russians would be most keen to acquire these for use in Ukraine. Ukraine would be a good testing ground for Chinese weapons, especially against those from the US-and-Allies.
> >
> > Nuclear War
> > There are those believe that the war in Ukraine will escalate to a full-scale nuclear one between US and Russia and therefore China should not be foolish enough to get nuked too. A tactical nuclear war in Ukraine maybe but not a full-scale nuclear war between US and Russia. That would be MAD – Mutually Assured Destruction. Both sides have enough nuclear weapons to destroy the world several times over. Why would they only annihilate each other and leave the rest of the world intact? Most likely they will take the whole world down along with them. No nation in the world would want this to happen. Therefore, it will not happen.
> China has not much left to fear about sanctions from the US. The US is going to decouple from China and isolate it from the rest of the world. What sanctions can be worse than these?
>
> The US will go to war with China over Taiwan not alone but with a coalition. China too needs a coalition. Joining in with Russia would be a right move. Therefore it is wise of China to help Russia now in its war with US-led NATO in Ukraine. It will reap future dividends.

Good analysis. Absolutely right. Totally agreed. China should help Russia supplying and testing its weapons and weapons delivery system, testing of communication and satellite intelligent systems, and ship and land and other monitoring jobs for Russia.

On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 9:41:38 AM UTC+8, frodo sam0 wrote:
> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 11:34:15 AM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> > On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 2:38:35 PM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > The war in Ukraine is expanding and escalating. Russia’s performance until now left much to be desired. It’s facing defeat in both the diplomatic and battle fields.
> > >
> > > Should China get involved?
> > >
> > > US-led sanctions
> > > This is happening, openly or subtly, in every area. It is now happening to Chinese science and technology, especially in the field of semiconductor. The Chinese should harbor no hope that the US will change its antagonistic policy and strategy on China, now or in the future..
> > >
> > > World Order
> > > Victory for NATO in Ukraine means the world will remain a unipolar US-led one. In such a world, China will always be viewed as a world threat and its continuing rise will face challenges.
> > >
> > >
> > > Global Politics
> > > Under its Global Strategy, the US considers China a longer term and bigger threat to the US and the world than Russia. This is going to get worse for China unless it is willing to curb its rise and subordinate itself to the US. The US can take on Russia or China one at a time but not simultaneously.
> > > Chinese involvement in Ukraine on the side of the Russian will greatly increase the chance of a Russian victory in Ukraine. It will tie down the US-led West in Ukraine. The US will have to reduce its military presence in other parts of the world to augment that in Ukraine.
> > >
> > >
> > > Geopolitics
> > > After China, India will have to make a stand. Right now, it is benefiting from both US and Russia. Which ever side it takes, it will be abandoned by the other, making it a lesser threat to China.
> > >
> > >
> > > In the battlefield.
> > > Unlike the US whose weapons have been tested in several wars, many new and advanced Chinese weapons have not been tested in battles before. The Russians would be most keen to acquire these for use in Ukraine. Ukraine would be a good testing ground for Chinese weapons, especially against those from the US-and-Allies.
> > >
> > > Nuclear War
> > > There are those believe that the war in Ukraine will escalate to a full-scale nuclear one between US and Russia and therefore China should not be foolish enough to get nuked too. A tactical nuclear war in Ukraine maybe but not a full-scale nuclear war between US and Russia. That would be MAD – Mutually Assured Destruction. Both sides have enough nuclear weapons to destroy the world several times over. Why would they only annihilate each other and leave the rest of the world intact? Most likely they will take the whole world down along with them. No nation in the world would want this to happen. Therefore, it will not happen.
> > Does Putin really need or want Chinese help?
> > May be a more appropriate question is:
> > Should China thank Biden that he was not Putin?
> >
> > Ukraine's Donbas region wants to be free from Ukrainian Nazism and China's
> > Taiwan wants to be free from Chinese Communism. One with Russian support
> > and one with US support. I had suggested many years ago before Ukraine was
> > international headline news that the easiest way to wrestle Taiwan from China
> > is to have it became US state or states.
> >
> > The rest is history.
> > Donbas and two other regions had successfully voted themselves independent
> > and then got themselves incorporated into Russia. The ROC'sfree region is still
> > the ROC's free region constitutionally waiting to be unify with its Mainland region.
> With reference to Taiwan, there's more reasons for China to help Russia in Ukraine.
>
> It's getting more likely that China and US will clash over Taiwan. To prepare for this, China should first fight the US in a proxy war, far away from its own neighborhood. Ukraine offers a good opportunity for this.
> Not necessarily Chinese boots on the ground. Selling Chinese weapons to the Russians will be a good start. Ukraine will be a good testing ground for Chinese weapons against US.
> Look at how Iranian drones are being used in Ukraine. Iran now knows how effective its drones are against US-supplied air defenses.

Clash between US and China over Taiwan will happen. Hence, China has to included such clash to be happened. US will lie in wait waiting for any sign in the war to enter into a fray with China. They will sniff out China and will sabotage anything possible. As one can see, Nord 1 of its 20 billion dollar of 2 pipelines of Russia was exploded at 4 places by underseas explosive carried out by two countries, US and UK royal navy. Henceforth, China has to include all kinds of possibilities of sabotages and has to have counter-terrorist measures to revenge against US and its allies. China has to build strong coalitions as it can muster each other to support their cause to defend and fight for each other. Therefore, China should participate with Russia, North Korea, and Iran in whatever needed to do it.

On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 2:38:35 PM UTC, gera...@gmail.com wrote:
> The war in Ukraine is expanding and escalating. Russia’s performance until now left much to be desired. It’s facing defeat in both the diplomatic and battle fields.
>
> Should China get involved?
>
> US-led sanctions
> This is happening, openly or subtly, in every area. It is now happening to Chinese science and technology, especially in the field of semiconductor. The Chinese should harbor no hope that the US will change its antagonistic policy and strategy on China, now or in the future..
>
> World Order
> Victory for NATO in Ukraine means the world will remain a unipolar US-led one. In such a world, China will always be viewed as a world threat and its continuing rise will face challenges.
>
>
> Global Politics
> Under its Global Strategy, the US considers China a longer term and bigger threat to the US and the world than Russia. This is going to get worse for China unless it is willing to curb its rise and subordinate itself to the US. The US can take on Russia or China one at a time but not simultaneously.
> Chinese involvement in Ukraine on the side of the Russian will greatly increase the chance of a Russian victory in Ukraine. It will tie down the US-led West in Ukraine. The US will have to reduce its military presence in other parts of the world to augment that in Ukraine.
>
>
> Geopolitics
> After China, India will have to make a stand. Right now, it is benefiting from both US and Russia. Which ever side it takes, it will be abandoned by the other, making it a lesser threat to China.
>
>
> In the battlefield.
> Unlike the US whose weapons have been tested in several wars, many new and advanced Chinese weapons have not been tested in battles before. The Russians would be most keen to acquire these for use in Ukraine. Ukraine would be a good testing ground for Chinese weapons, especially against those from the US-and-Allies.
>
> Nuclear War
> There are those believe that the war in Ukraine will escalate to a full-scale nuclear one between US and Russia and therefore China should not be foolish enough to get nuked too. A tactical nuclear war in Ukraine maybe but not a full-scale nuclear war between US and Russia. That would be MAD – Mutually Assured Destruction. Both sides have enough nuclear weapons to destroy the world several times over. Why would they only annihilate each other and leave the rest of the world intact? Most likely they will take the whole world down along with them. No nation in the world would want this to happen. Therefore, it will not happen.

Which side is in trouble and according to whom?
Try this article:
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/playing-at-war-in-ukraine/

"An indicator of just how weird Washington is becoming is the apparent interest in General (ret.) David Petraeus’s recent
suggestion that Washington and its allies may want to intervene in the ongoing conflict between Moscow and Kiev.

According to Petraeus, the military action he advocates would not be a NATO intervention, but “a multinational force led
by the US and not as a NATO force.” In other words, a U.S.-led Multi-National Force on the Iraq model composed of
conventional ground, air, and naval forces.

Petraeus does not explain why U.S. military action is needed. But it’s not hard to guess. The intervention is designed to
rescue Ukrainian forces from defeat and presumably compel Moscow to negotiate on Washington’s terms, whatever
those terms might be.

Admittedly, the whole business seems weird, but Petraeus’s suggestion should not be dismissed. Not because Petraeus’s
military expertise warrants consideration—it doesn’t. Rather it merits attention because Petraeus would never make such
a recommendation unless he was urged to do so by powerful figures in Washington and on Wall Street. And as Jeffrey
Sachs tells Americans, globalist and neocon elites clearly want a direct armed confrontation with Russia.
....
Petraeus’s suggestion confirms two critical insights. First, the perilous state of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Absent the
foreign fighters and Polish soldiers fighting in Ukrainian uniform, Ukraine has little left to withstand the Russian winter
offensives. The series of Ukrainian counterattacks over the last 60 to 90 days have cost Ukraine tens of thousands of
lives, human capital in uniform that Kiev cannot replace.

Second, it is the 11th hour. The Russian sledgehammer scheduled to fall on the Zelensky regime in the November or
December timeframe, or whenever the ground freezes, will crush whatever remains of Ukrainian forces.

In other words, Petraeus’s real message is that the only way to prolong the life of the Zelensky regime is for Washington
and its coalition of the willing to intervene directly before it's too late.. "