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 by: Robert Zimmerman - Tue, 14 Mar 2023 22:15 UTC

XGID=aaB-BBCB----bB---bbd-c--B-:0:0:1:D:1:1:0:5:10

Score is X:1 O:1 5 pt.(s) match.
+13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
| X O O | | O O X |
| X O O | | O O X |
| | | O O |
| | | O |
| | | |
| |BAR| |
| | O | |
| | | |
| | | X |
| O X | | X X X X |
| O X | | X X X X O |
+12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
Pip count X: 128 O: 141 X-O: 1-1/5
Cube: 1
X on roll, cube action

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 by: Timothy Chow - Wed, 15 Mar 2023 13:37 UTC

On 3/14/2023 6:15 PM, Robert Zimmerman wrote:
> XGID=aaB-BBCB----bB---bbd-c--B-:0:0:1:D:1:1:0:5:10
>
> Score is X:1 O:1 5 pt.(s) match.
> +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
> | X O O | | O O X |
> | X O O | | O O X |
> | | | O O |
> | | | O |
> | | | |
> | |BAR| |
> | | O | |
> | | | |
> | | | X |
> | O X | | X X X X |
> | O X | | X X X X O |
> +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
> Pip count X: 128 O: 141 X-O: 1-1/5
> Cube: 1
> X on roll, cube action

At 4-away/4-away, the doubler's gammons will win the match (if
the cube is taken, of course), but the taker also has a lot of
recube vig. Even though X has two checkers that he still needs
to escape, this position looks too gammonish to take. I don't
think it's TG so D/P for me.

---
Tim Chow

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Subject: Re: Double the Turkey?
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 by: Stick Rice - Wed, 15 Mar 2023 21:14 UTC

On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 6:15:34 PM UTC-4, Robert Zimmerman wrote:
> XGID=aaB-BBCB----bB---bbd-c--B-:0:0:1:D:1:1:0:5:10
>
> Score is X:1 O:1 5 pt.(s) match.
> +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
> | X O O | | O O X |
> | X O O | | O O X |
> | | | O O |
> | | | O |
> | | | |
> | |BAR| |
> | | O | |
> | | | |
> | | | X |
> | O X | | X X X X |
> | O X | | X X X X O |
> +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
> Pip count X: 128 O: 141 X-O: 1-1/5
> Cube: 1
> X on roll, cube action

A good exercise to accompany too good positions that may be questionable is to go through all the immediate rolls and make sure you know how to play them. If it's only moderately TG (and you don't think your opp will ever make the mistake of taking) then it's best to cash if you're unsure how to play the position out.

Stick

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 by: Robert Zimmerman - Wed, 15 Mar 2023 22:59 UTC

On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 5:14:51 PM UTC-4, Stick Rice wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 6:15:34 PM UTC-4, Robert Zimmerman wrote:
> > XGID=aaB-BBCB----bB---bbd-c--B-:0:0:1:D:1:1:0:5:10
> >
> > Score is X:1 O:1 5 pt.(s) match.
> > +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
> > | X O O | | O O X |
> > | X O O | | O O X |
> > | | | O O |
> > | | | O |
> > | | | |
> > | |BAR| |
> > | | O | |
> > | | | |
> > | | | X |
> > | O X | | X X X X |
> > | O X | | X X X X O |
> > +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
> > Pip count X: 128 O: 141 X-O: 1-1/5
> > Cube: 1
> > X on roll, cube action
> A good exercise to accompany too good positions that may be questionable is to go through all the immediate rolls and make sure you know how to play them. If it's only moderately TG (and you don't think your opp will ever make the mistake of taking) then it's best to cash if you're unsure how to play the position out.
>
> Stick

That sounds like good advice, but I'm trying to imagine a position that would be TG yet still a challenge to play out. Maybe a backgame? But I don't know if I've seen a TG back game.
My biggest weakness in BG is recognizing when to double and especially when to take. I can adjust reasonably well for match scores relative to money games, but man do I rot at evaluating some positions. Other than looking over your own mistakes, and learning reference positions, any tips from the outfield on how to get a hang of it?
Bob

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 by: Stick Rice - Thu, 16 Mar 2023 01:09 UTC

On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 6:59:59 PM UTC-4, Robert Zimmerman wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 5:14:51 PM UTC-4, Stick Rice wrote:
> > On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 6:15:34 PM UTC-4, Robert Zimmerman wrote:
> > > XGID=aaB-BBCB----bB---bbd-c--B-:0:0:1:D:1:1:0:5:10
> > >
> > > Score is X:1 O:1 5 pt.(s) match.
> > > +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
> > > | X O O | | O O X |
> > > | X O O | | O O X |
> > > | | | O O |
> > > | | | O |
> > > | | | |
> > > | |BAR| |
> > > | | O | |
> > > | | | |
> > > | | | X |
> > > | O X | | X X X X |
> > > | O X | | X X X X O |
> > > +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
> > > Pip count X: 128 O: 141 X-O: 1-1/5
> > > Cube: 1
> > > X on roll, cube action
> > A good exercise to accompany too good positions that may be questionable is to go through all the immediate rolls and make sure you know how to play them. If it's only moderately TG (and you don't think your opp will ever make the mistake of taking) then it's best to cash if you're unsure how to play the position out.
> >
> > Stick
> That sounds like good advice, but I'm trying to imagine a position that would be TG yet still a challenge to play out. Maybe a backgame? But I don't know if I've seen a TG back game.
> My biggest weakness in BG is recognizing when to double and especially when to take. I can adjust reasonably well for match scores relative to money games, but man do I rot at evaluating some positions. Other than looking over your own mistakes, and learning reference positions, any tips from the outfield on how to get a hang of it?
> Bob

Do you confidently know how to play all the immediate rolls in this position?

Stick

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 by: peps...@gmail.com - Thu, 16 Mar 2023 09:33 UTC

On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 10:59:59 PM UTC, Robert Zimmerman wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 5:14:51 PM UTC-4, Stick Rice wrote:
> > On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 6:15:34 PM UTC-4, Robert Zimmerman wrote:
> > > XGID=aaB-BBCB----bB---bbd-c--B-:0:0:1:D:1:1:0:5:10
> > >
> > > Score is X:1 O:1 5 pt.(s) match.
> > > +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
> > > | X O O | | O O X |
> > > | X O O | | O O X |
> > > | | | O O |
> > > | | | O |
> > > | | | |
> > > | |BAR| |
> > > | | O | |
> > > | | | |
> > > | | | X |
> > > | O X | | X X X X |
> > > | O X | | X X X X O |
> > > +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
> > > Pip count X: 128 O: 141 X-O: 1-1/5
> > > Cube: 1
> > > X on roll, cube action
> > A good exercise to accompany too good positions that may be questionable is to go through all the immediate rolls and make sure you know how to play them. If it's only moderately TG (and you don't think your opp will ever make the mistake of taking) then it's best to cash if you're unsure how to play the position out.
> >
> > Stick
> That sounds like good advice, but I'm trying to imagine a position that would be TG yet still a challenge to play out. Maybe a backgame? But I don't know if I've seen a TG back game.
> My biggest weakness in BG is recognizing when to double and especially when to take. I can adjust reasonably well for match scores relative to money games, but man do I rot at evaluating some positions. Other than looking over your own mistakes, and learning reference positions, any tips from the outfield on how to get a hang of it?

I would think I've seen enough bg games that I've seen a TG back game, but I'd agree they're not common.
They can arise if:
1) The backgamer has closed her board.
2) The backgamer doesn't have a (very) difficult prime to escape from.
3) The backgamer hits a shot before the opponent has removed any checkers.

But the context is: Positions that are difficult to play out.
Such a position can be very difficult to play if the numbers to hit extra checkers, besides the checker already hit, are the same as escaping numbers.

Paul

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 by: peps...@gmail.com - Thu, 16 Mar 2023 09:39 UTC

On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 9:33:46 AM UTC, peps...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 10:59:59 PM UTC, Robert Zimmerman wrote:
> > On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 5:14:51 PM UTC-4, Stick Rice wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 6:15:34 PM UTC-4, Robert Zimmerman wrote:
> > > > XGID=aaB-BBCB----bB---bbd-c--B-:0:0:1:D:1:1:0:5:10
> > > >
> > > > Score is X:1 O:1 5 pt.(s) match.
> > > > +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
> > > > | X O O | | O O X |
> > > > | X O O | | O O X |
> > > > | | | O O |
> > > > | | | O |
> > > > | | | |
> > > > | |BAR| |
> > > > | | O | |
> > > > | | | |
> > > > | | | X |
> > > > | O X | | X X X X |
> > > > | O X | | X X X X O |
> > > > +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
> > > > Pip count X: 128 O: 141 X-O: 1-1/5
> > > > Cube: 1
> > > > X on roll, cube action
> > > A good exercise to accompany too good positions that may be questionable is to go through all the immediate rolls and make sure you know how to play them. If it's only moderately TG (and you don't think your opp will ever make the mistake of taking) then it's best to cash if you're unsure how to play the position out.
> > >
> > > Stick
> > That sounds like good advice, but I'm trying to imagine a position that would be TG yet still a challenge to play out. Maybe a backgame? But I don't know if I've seen a TG back game.
> > My biggest weakness in BG is recognizing when to double and especially when to take. I can adjust reasonably well for match scores relative to money games, but man do I rot at evaluating some positions. Other than looking over your own mistakes, and learning reference positions, any tips from the outfield on how to get a hang of it?
> I would think I've seen enough bg games that I've seen a TG back game, but I'd agree they're not common.
> They can arise if:
> 1) The backgamer has closed her board.
> 2) The backgamer doesn't have a (very) difficult prime to escape from.
> 3) The backgamer hits a shot before the opponent has removed any checkers..
>
> But the context is: Positions that are difficult to play out.
> Such a position can be very difficult to play if the numbers to hit extra checkers, besides the checker already hit, are the same as escaping numbers.

Oh, sorry. This isn't a "TG backgame" It's a TG position that was recently a backgame, which isn't the same thing.
I've never seen a TG backgame either but it would probably be possible to construct one, particularly if you can choose the match score.

Paul

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 by: Robert Zimmerman - Thu, 16 Mar 2023 11:57 UTC

On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 9:09:38 PM UTC-4, Stick Rice wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 6:59:59 PM UTC-4, Robert Zimmerman wrote:
> > On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 5:14:51 PM UTC-4, Stick Rice wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 6:15:34 PM UTC-4, Robert Zimmerman wrote:
> > > > XGID=aaB-BBCB----bB---bbd-c--B-:0:0:1:D:1:1:0:5:10
> > > >
> > > > Score is X:1 O:1 5 pt.(s) match.
> > > > +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
> > > > | X O O | | O O X |
> > > > | X O O | | O O X |
> > > > | | | O O |
> > > > | | | O |
> > > > | | | |
> > > > | |BAR| |
> > > > | | O | |
> > > > | | | |
> > > > | | | X |
> > > > | O X | | X X X X |
> > > > | O X | | X X X X O |
> > > > +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
> > > > Pip count X: 128 O: 141 X-O: 1-1/5
> > > > Cube: 1
> > > > X on roll, cube action
> > > A good exercise to accompany too good positions that may be questionable is to go through all the immediate rolls and make sure you know how to play them. If it's only moderately TG (and you don't think your opp will ever make the mistake of taking) then it's best to cash if you're unsure how to play the position out.
> > >
> > > Stick
> > That sounds like good advice, but I'm trying to imagine a position that would be TG yet still a challenge to play out. Maybe a backgame? But I don't know if I've seen a TG back game.
> > My biggest weakness in BG is recognizing when to double and especially when to take. I can adjust reasonably well for match scores relative to money games, but man do I rot at evaluating some positions. Other than looking over your own mistakes, and learning reference positions, any tips from the outfield on how to get a hang of it?
> > Bob
> Do you confidently know how to play all the immediate rolls in this position?
>
> Stick

Yeah. Took me a little extra time to understand your point.

It does take some confidence in knowing you're at a marginal too good. I'm better at playing the checkers than at making doubling decisions. But in this instance, it's pretty clear that if it's TG, it's not wildly so. So your point holds, for people who don't wildly misjudge TG at times....

Bob

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 by: Robert Zimmerman - Thu, 16 Mar 2023 12:00 UTC

On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 5:33:46 AM UTC-4, peps...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 10:59:59 PM UTC, Robert Zimmerman wrote:
> > On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 5:14:51 PM UTC-4, Stick Rice wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 6:15:34 PM UTC-4, Robert Zimmerman wrote:
> > > > XGID=aaB-BBCB----bB---bbd-c--B-:0:0:1:D:1:1:0:5:10
> > > >
> > > > Score is X:1 O:1 5 pt.(s) match.
> > > > +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
> > > > | X O O | | O O X |
> > > > | X O O | | O O X |
> > > > | | | O O |
> > > > | | | O |
> > > > | | | |
> > > > | |BAR| |
> > > > | | O | |
> > > > | | | |
> > > > | | | X |
> > > > | O X | | X X X X |
> > > > | O X | | X X X X O |
> > > > +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
> > > > Pip count X: 128 O: 141 X-O: 1-1/5
> > > > Cube: 1
> > > > X on roll, cube action
> > > A good exercise to accompany too good positions that may be questionable is to go through all the immediate rolls and make sure you know how to play them. If it's only moderately TG (and you don't think your opp will ever make the mistake of taking) then it's best to cash if you're unsure how to play the position out.
> > >
> > > Stick
> > That sounds like good advice, but I'm trying to imagine a position that would be TG yet still a challenge to play out. Maybe a backgame? But I don't know if I've seen a TG back game.
> > My biggest weakness in BG is recognizing when to double and especially when to take. I can adjust reasonably well for match scores relative to money games, but man do I rot at evaluating some positions. Other than looking over your own mistakes, and learning reference positions, any tips from the outfield on how to get a hang of it?
> I would think I've seen enough bg games that I've seen a TG back game, but I'd agree they're not common.
> They can arise if:
> 1) The backgamer has closed her board.
> 2) The backgamer doesn't have a (very) difficult prime to escape from.
> 3) The backgamer hits a shot before the opponent has removed any checkers..
>
> But the context is: Positions that are difficult to play out.
> Such a position can be very difficult to play if the numbers to hit extra checkers, besides the checker already hit, are the same as escaping numbers.
>
> Paul

I was thinking about being TG when playing against a back game. But interesting to consider the other side. :)
Bob

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 by: Robert Zimmerman - Thu, 16 Mar 2023 12:18 UTC

At the score, with an undoubled GV of 0.7, it's TG. I saw gammons there, but not 40%. I added money game rollout at bottom.

Bob

XGID=aaB-BBCB----bB---bbd-c--B-:0:0:1:00:1:1:0:5:10

Score is X:1 O:1 5 pt.(s) match.
+13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
| X O O | | O O X |
| X O O | | O O X |
| | | O O |
| | | O |
| | | |
| |BAR| |
| | O | |
| | | |
| | | X |
| O X | | X X X X |
| O X | | X X X X O |
+12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
Pip count X: 128 O: 141 X-O: 1-1/5
Cube: 1
X on roll, cube action

Analyzed in Rollout
No double
Player Winning Chances: 71.72% (G:43.10% B:1.06%)
Opponent Winning Chances: 28.28% (G:7.79% B:0.59%)
Double/Take
Player Winning Chances: 71.78% (G:43.82% B:1.89%)
Opponent Winning Chances: 28.22% (G:8.59% B:1.24%)

Cubeless Equities: No Double=+0.924, Double=+2.660

Cubeful Equities:
No double: +1.059
Double/Take: +2.346 (+1.287)
Double/Pass: +1.000 (-0.059)

Best Cube action: Too good to double / Pass
Percentage of wrong take needed to make the double decision right: 4.4%

Rollout:
379 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller
Confidence No Double: ± 0.019 (+1.040..+1.078)
Confidence Double: ± 0.046 (+2.300..+2.392)

Double Decision confidence: 100.0%
Take Decision confidence: 100.0%

Duration: 1 minute 39 seconds

eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.10, MET: Kazaross XG2

Money Game
--------------------------------------------------------------------

Analyzed in Rollout
No double
Player Winning Chances: 72.06% (G:40.92% B:1.10%)
Opponent Winning Chances: 27.94% (G:6.96% B:0.53%)
Double/Take
Player Winning Chances: 71.66% (G:43.08% B:1.07%)
Opponent Winning Chances: 28.34% (G:7.28% B:0.53%)

Cubeless Equities: No Double=+0.787, Double=+1.593

Cubeful Equities:
No double: +0.937 (-0.063)
Double/Take: +1.376 (+0.376)
Double/Pass: +1.000

Best Cube action: Double / Pass

Rollout:
300 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller
Confidence No Double: ± 0.019 (+0.918..+0.957)
Confidence Double: ± 0.030 (+1.346..+1.405)

Double Decision confidence: 100.0%
Take Decision confidence: 100.0%

Duration: 1 minute 04 seconds

eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.10

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> I was thinking about being TG when playing against a back game. But interesting to consider the other side. :)

Here are a few I've encountered.

XGID=-bBbBBC-B---cB-B---a-bbc--:0:0:1:00:0:0:0:0:10

Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
+13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
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| X X | | O O O |
| | | O |
| | | |
| | | |
| |BAR| |
| | | |
| | | |
| O | | X |
| O X | | X X X O X O |
| O X | | X X X O X O |
+12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
Pip count X: 112 O: 157 X-O: 0-0
Cube: 1
X on roll, cube action

XGID=-b-b-CCBC-A-bB---b-bAbab--:0:0:1:00:0:0:0:0:10

Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
+13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
| X O | | O X O O O |
| X O | | O O O |
| | | |
| | | |
| | | |
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| | | |
| | | |
| X | | X X |
| O X X | | X X O O |
| O X X X | | X X O O |
+12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
Pip count X: 127 O: 161 X-O: 0-0
Cube: 1
X on roll, cube action

XGID=--bbCCD-C--AA------b-dc-b-:0:0:1:00:0:0:0:0:10

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| | | O O O O |
| | | O O O O |
| | | O O |
| | | O |
| | | |
| |BAR| |
| | | |
| | | X |
| X | | X X X |
| X | | X X X O O |
| X X X | | X X X O O |
+12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
Pip count X: 98 O: 129 X-O: 0-0
Cube: 1
X on roll, cube action

XGID=-bbBaBCAC----CA--bac-bb---:0:0:1:00:0:0:0:0:10

Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
+13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
| X X O O | | O O O |
| X O | | O O O |
| X | | O |
| | | |
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| |BAR| |
| | | |
| | | |
| X | | X |
| X | | X X X O O |
| X X | | X X O X O O |
+12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
Pip count X: 118 O: 170 X-O: 0-0
Cube: 1
X on roll, cube action

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Tim Chow

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Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2023 06:23:35 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: Double the Turkey?
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 by: Robert Zimmerman - Thu, 16 Mar 2023 13:23 UTC

On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 8:55:08 AM UTC-4, Timothy Chow wrote:
> On 3/16/2023 8:00 AM, Robert Zimmerman wrote:
> > I was thinking about being TG when playing against a back game. But interesting to consider the other side. :)
> Here are a few I've encountered.
>
> XGID=-bBbBBC-B---cB-B---a-bbc--:0:0:1:00:0:0:0:0:10
>
> Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
> +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
> | X X | | O O O O |
> | X X | | O O O |
> | | | O |
> | | | |
> | | | |
> | |BAR| |
> | | | |
> | | | |
> | O | | X |
> | O X | | X X X O X O |
> | O X | | X X X O X O |
> +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
> Pip count X: 112 O: 157 X-O: 0-0
> Cube: 1
> X on roll, cube action
> XGID=-b-b-CCBC-A-bB---b-bAbab--:0:0:1:00:0:0:0:0:10
>
> Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
> +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
> | X O | | O X O O O |
> | X O | | O O O |
> | | | |
> | | | |
> | | | |
> | |BAR| |
> | | | |
> | | | |
> | X | | X X |
> | O X X | | X X O O |
> | O X X X | | X X O O |
> +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
> Pip count X: 127 O: 161 X-O: 0-0
> Cube: 1
> X on roll, cube action
> XGID=--bbCCD-C--AA------b-dc-b-:0:0:1:00:0:0:0:0:10
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> Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
> +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
> | | | O O O O |
> | | | O O O O |
> | | | O O |
> | | | O |
> | | | |
> | |BAR| |
> | | | |
> | | | X |
> | X | | X X X |
> | X | | X X X O O |
> | X X X | | X X X O O |
> +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
> Pip count X: 98 O: 129 X-O: 0-0
> Cube: 1
> X on roll, cube action
> XGID=-bbBaBCAC----CA--bac-bb---:0:0:1:00:0:0:0:0:10
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> Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
> +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
> | X X O O | | O O O |
> | X O | | O O O |
> | X | | O |
> | | | |
> | | | |
> | |BAR| |
> | | | |
> | | | |
> | X | | X |
> | X | | X X X O O |
> | X X | | X X O X O O |
> +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
> Pip count X: 118 O: 170 X-O: 0-0
> Cube: 1
> X on roll, cube action
> ---
> Tim Chow

Thanks, Tim. That's useful.
I probably would have doubled all but the third. The good news is that in no case would it be wildly wrong to double.
Bob

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 by: MK - Fri, 24 Mar 2023 06:12 UTC

On March 14, 2023 at 4:15:34 PM UTC-6, Robert Zimmerman wrote:

> XGID=aaB-BBCB----bB---bbd-c--B-:0:0:1:D:1:1:0:5:10

Is that "Turkey" with capital "T" a proper noun or a common noun?

Was it an etiquettely usage of racist British gibberish, jibberish..?

Or an innocent usage of niche languages Germanish, jewberish..?

MK

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