News articles:
1. 'That's called WW3': Biden crosses own red line by giving 'offensive equipment' to Ukraine
https://www.express.co.uk/news/us/1726468/Joe-biden-Ukraine-ww3-warning-tanks-us-germany-latest-dxus

"Joe Biden's decision to send 31 Abrams tanks to Ukraine is a stunning U-turn on the President's previous pronouncements. The President has been reluctant to send in tanks and other high-grade military equipment, lest it drags America and its allies into direct conflict with Russia. Back in March last year, Biden said in a speech: “The idea that we're going to send in offensive equipment, and have planes and tanks and trains going in with American pilots and American crews - just understand.
Related articles

"Don't kid yourself. No matter what you all say, that's called World War III. Okay? Let's get it straight here guys."

Commenting on the decision to send in tanks, the President said the armoured capability has been "critical for Ukraine" and the US "will train Ukrainian troops as soon as possible" - adding that Germany had "really stepped up support" of Mr Zelenskyy's troops.
....
Planes and trains are still off the table but the decision to send in Abrams will be viewed by Moscow as a significant escalation in the conflict.

Last week, Dmitry Medvedev, the deputy head of Russia’s Security Council and key ally of President Vladimir Putin, warned that defeat for Russia in Ukraine could lead to nuclear conflict.

The timing of the warning seems calibrated to deter allies from sending more military equipment to Ukraine ahead of a fresh offensive.

The former Russian president made the threat in a Telegram post ahead of a key meeting of NATO allies and other nations in Germany, where they are expected to make additional pledges of military support to Kyiv.

“The loss of a nuclear power in a conventional war can provoke the outbreak of a nuclear war,” Medvedev wrote.

“Nuclear powers do not lose major conflicts on which their fate depends."

2. WWIII would come if Russian tanks get to Kyiv says Crosetto
https://www.ansa.it/english/news/2023/01/27/wwiii-would-come-if-russian-tanks-get-to-kyiv-says-crosetto_521abcb4-2d75-4b87-a28b-273be784d61a.html

"World War III would start the moment Russian tanks arrived in Kiev and on the borders of Europe. Making sure they do not arrive is the only way to stop World War III," said Crosetto during an event in Rome."

3. "If WWIII breaks out, it won’t start on tanks or fighter jets, warns Medvedev"
https://tass.com/politics/1568437

"MOSCOW, January 28. /TASS/. Russian Security Council Deputy Chairman Dmitry Medvedev has lambasted Western attempts to justify arms deliveries to Kiev as an alleged effort to prevent a world war.

"Firstly, defending Ukraine, which nobody needs in Europe, will not save the senile Old World from retribution if anything occurs. Secondly, once the Third World War breaks out, unfortunately it will not be on tanks or even on fighter jets. Then everything will definitely be turned to dust," Medvedev wrote on his Telegram channel on Saturday."

On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 12:48:19 AM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> News articles:
> 1. 'That's called WW3': Biden crosses own red line by giving 'offensive equipment' to Ukraine
> https://www.express.co.uk/news/us/1726468/Joe-biden-Ukraine-ww3-warning-tanks-us-germany-latest-dxus
>
> "Joe Biden's decision to send 31 Abrams tanks to Ukraine is a stunning U-turn on the President's previous pronouncements. The President has been reluctant to send in tanks and other high-grade military equipment, lest it drags America and its allies into direct conflict with Russia. Back in March last year, Biden said in a speech: “The idea that we're going to send in offensive equipment, and have planes and tanks and trains going in with American pilots and American crews - just understand.
> Related articles
>
> "Don't kid yourself. No matter what you all say, that's called World War III. Okay? Let's get it straight here guys."
>
> Commenting on the decision to send in tanks, the President said the armoured capability has been "critical for Ukraine" and the US "will train Ukrainian troops as soon as possible" - adding that Germany had "really stepped up support" of Mr Zelenskyy's troops.
> ...
> Planes and trains are still off the table but the decision to send in Abrams will be viewed by Moscow as a significant escalation in the conflict.
>
> Last week, Dmitry Medvedev, the deputy head of Russia’s Security Council and key ally of President Vladimir Putin, warned that defeat for Russia in Ukraine could lead to nuclear conflict.
>
> The timing of the warning seems calibrated to deter allies from sending more military equipment to Ukraine ahead of a fresh offensive.
>
> The former Russian president made the threat in a Telegram post ahead of a key meeting of NATO allies and other nations in Germany, where they are expected to make additional pledges of military support to Kyiv.
>
> “The loss of a nuclear power in a conventional war can provoke the outbreak of a nuclear war,” Medvedev wrote.
>
> “Nuclear powers do not lose major conflicts on which their fate depends."
>
> 2. WWIII would come if Russian tanks get to Kyiv says Crosetto
> https://www.ansa.it/english/news/2023/01/27/wwiii-would-come-if-russian-tanks-get-to-kyiv-says-crosetto_521abcb4-2d75-4b87-a28b-273be784d61a.html
>
> "World War III would start the moment Russian tanks arrived in Kiev and on the borders of Europe. Making sure they do not arrive is the only way to stop World War III," said Crosetto during an event in Rome."
>
> 3. "If WWIII breaks out, it won’t start on tanks or fighter jets, warns Medvedev"
> https://tass.com/politics/1568437
>
> "MOSCOW, January 28. /TASS/. Russian Security Council Deputy Chairman Dmitry Medvedev has lambasted Western attempts to justify arms deliveries to Kiev as an alleged effort to prevent a world war.
>
> "Firstly, defending Ukraine, which nobody needs in Europe, will not save the senile Old World from retribution if anything occurs. Secondly, once the Third World War breaks out, unfortunately it will not be on tanks or even on fighter jets. Then everything will definitely be turned to dust," Medvedev wrote on his Telegram channel on Saturday."

Americans will hate their president and cronies for sending tanks and may even boots when the risk on them is evidence to them is ash and dust, that Medvedev said.

On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 9:20:16 AM UTC, stoney wrote:
> On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 12:48:19 AM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > News articles:
> > 1. 'That's called WW3': Biden crosses own red line by giving 'offensive equipment' to Ukraine
> > https://www.express.co.uk/news/us/1726468/Joe-biden-Ukraine-ww3-warning-tanks-us-germany-latest-dxus
> >
> > "Joe Biden's decision to send 31 Abrams tanks to Ukraine is a stunning U-turn on the President's previous pronouncements. The President has been reluctant to send in tanks and other high-grade military equipment, lest it drags America and its allies into direct conflict with Russia. Back in March last year, Biden said in a speech: “The idea that we're going to send in offensive equipment, and have planes and tanks and trains going in with American pilots and American crews - just understand.
> > Related articles
> >
> > "Don't kid yourself. No matter what you all say, that's called World War III. Okay? Let's get it straight here guys."
> >
> > Commenting on the decision to send in tanks, the President said the armoured capability has been "critical for Ukraine" and the US "will train Ukrainian troops as soon as possible" - adding that Germany had "really stepped up support" of Mr Zelenskyy's troops.
> > ...
> > Planes and trains are still off the table but the decision to send in Abrams will be viewed by Moscow as a significant escalation in the conflict.
> >
> > Last week, Dmitry Medvedev, the deputy head of Russia’s Security Council and key ally of President Vladimir Putin, warned that defeat for Russia in Ukraine could lead to nuclear conflict.
> >
> > The timing of the warning seems calibrated to deter allies from sending more military equipment to Ukraine ahead of a fresh offensive.
> >
> > The former Russian president made the threat in a Telegram post ahead of a key meeting of NATO allies and other nations in Germany, where they are expected to make additional pledges of military support to Kyiv.
> >
> > “The loss of a nuclear power in a conventional war can provoke the outbreak of a nuclear war,” Medvedev wrote.
> >
> > “Nuclear powers do not lose major conflicts on which their fate depends."
> >
> > 2. WWIII would come if Russian tanks get to Kyiv says Crosetto
> > https://www.ansa.it/english/news/2023/01/27/wwiii-would-come-if-russian-tanks-get-to-kyiv-says-crosetto_521abcb4-2d75-4b87-a28b-273be784d61a.html
> >
> > "World War III would start the moment Russian tanks arrived in Kiev and on the borders of Europe. Making sure they do not arrive is the only way to stop World War III," said Crosetto during an event in Rome."
> >
> > 3. "If WWIII breaks out, it won’t start on tanks or fighter jets, warns Medvedev"
> > https://tass.com/politics/1568437
> >
> > "MOSCOW, January 28. /TASS/. Russian Security Council Deputy Chairman Dmitry Medvedev has lambasted Western attempts to justify arms deliveries to Kiev as an alleged effort to prevent a world war.
> >
> > "Firstly, defending Ukraine, which nobody needs in Europe, will not save the senile Old World from retribution if anything occurs. Secondly, once the Third World War breaks out, unfortunately it will not be on tanks or even on fighter jets. Then everything will definitely be turned to dust," Medvedev wrote on his Telegram channel on Saturday."

> Americans will hate their president and cronies for sending tanks and may even boots when the risk on them is evidence to them is ash and dust, that Medvedev said.

Pankaj Mishra's article published in WashingtonPost was given the title of
"The West Is Getting in Too Deep in Ukraine".

Pankaj Mishra does express negative views on Putin and the operation common in most Western
presses. NATO getting in too deep in UKraine is an excellent description of the situation.

Currently, there is no sign that significant number of Russians are disillusioned with the endeavor
and Putin's government is not eager to negotiate. Russia has historical reason to start the conflict,
good or bad depends on ones perspective.

In contrast, it is not clear that "most people in Western nations support a deepening of their
confrontation with Russia. In fact, their opinion is hardly being sought. ....
Western governments benefit today from a broad and largely unchallenged consensus among
think tanks and mainstream periodicals: Russia’s defeat, if not outright capitulation..."

On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 1:49:33 AM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 9:20:16 AM UTC, stoney wrote:
> > On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 12:48:19 AM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > News articles:
> > > 1. 'That's called WW3': Biden crosses own red line by giving 'offensive equipment' to Ukraine
> > > https://www.express.co.uk/news/us/1726468/Joe-biden-Ukraine-ww3-warning-tanks-us-germany-latest-dxus
> > >
> > > "Joe Biden's decision to send 31 Abrams tanks to Ukraine is a stunning U-turn on the President's previous pronouncements. The President has been reluctant to send in tanks and other high-grade military equipment, lest it drags America and its allies into direct conflict with Russia. Back in March last year, Biden said in a speech: “The idea that we're going to send in offensive equipment, and have planes and tanks and trains going in with American pilots and American crews - just understand.
> > > Related articles
> > >
> > > "Don't kid yourself. No matter what you all say, that's called World War III. Okay? Let's get it straight here guys."
> > >
> > > Commenting on the decision to send in tanks, the President said the armoured capability has been "critical for Ukraine" and the US "will train Ukrainian troops as soon as possible" - adding that Germany had "really stepped up support" of Mr Zelenskyy's troops.
> > > ...
> > > Planes and trains are still off the table but the decision to send in Abrams will be viewed by Moscow as a significant escalation in the conflict.
> > >
> > > Last week, Dmitry Medvedev, the deputy head of Russia’s Security Council and key ally of President Vladimir Putin, warned that defeat for Russia in Ukraine could lead to nuclear conflict.
> > >
> > > The timing of the warning seems calibrated to deter allies from sending more military equipment to Ukraine ahead of a fresh offensive.
> > >
> > > The former Russian president made the threat in a Telegram post ahead of a key meeting of NATO allies and other nations in Germany, where they are expected to make additional pledges of military support to Kyiv.
> > >
> > > “The loss of a nuclear power in a conventional war can provoke the outbreak of a nuclear war,” Medvedev wrote.
> > >
> > > “Nuclear powers do not lose major conflicts on which their fate depends."
> > >
> > > 2. WWIII would come if Russian tanks get to Kyiv says Crosetto
> > > https://www.ansa.it/english/news/2023/01/27/wwiii-would-come-if-russian-tanks-get-to-kyiv-says-crosetto_521abcb4-2d75-4b87-a28b-273be784d61a.html
> > >
> > > "World War III would start the moment Russian tanks arrived in Kiev and on the borders of Europe. Making sure they do not arrive is the only way to stop World War III," said Crosetto during an event in Rome."
> > >
> > > 3. "If WWIII breaks out, it won’t start on tanks or fighter jets, warns Medvedev"
> > > https://tass.com/politics/1568437
> > >
> > > "MOSCOW, January 28. /TASS/. Russian Security Council Deputy Chairman Dmitry Medvedev has lambasted Western attempts to justify arms deliveries to Kiev as an alleged effort to prevent a world war.
> > >
> > > "Firstly, defending Ukraine, which nobody needs in Europe, will not save the senile Old World from retribution if anything occurs. Secondly, once the Third World War breaks out, unfortunately it will not be on tanks or even on fighter jets. Then everything will definitely be turned to dust," Medvedev wrote on his Telegram channel on Saturday."
>
>
> > Americans will hate their president and cronies for sending tanks and may even boots when the risk on them is evidence to them is ash and dust, that Medvedev said.
> Pankaj Mishra's article published in WashingtonPost was given the title of
> "The West Is Getting in Too Deep in Ukraine".
>
> Pankaj Mishra does express negative views on Putin and the operation common in most Western
> presses. NATO getting in too deep in UKraine is an excellent description of the situation.
>
> Currently, there is no sign that significant number of Russians are disillusioned with the endeavor
> and Putin's government is not eager to negotiate. Russia has historical reason to start the conflict,
> good or bad depends on ones perspective.
>
> In contrast, it is not clear that "most people in Western nations support a deepening of their
> confrontation with Russia. In fact, their opinion is hardly being sought. ...
> Western governments benefit today from a broad and largely unchallenged consensus among
> think tanks and mainstream periodicals: Russia’s defeat, if not outright capitulation..."

Rand has a thorough and methodical report on the conflict.
https://www.rand.org/pubs/perspectives/PEA2510-1.html

Currently, the Russia-Ukraine is at a stalemate and neither side is willing to negotiate.
Allowing the war to drag on would increase the risk of nuclear confrontation and direct
Russia-NATO conflict. Not beneficial to the US and/or NATO allies.

My take:
To persuade Ukraine to the negotiation table and accepting territorial loss, Ukraine is
encouraged/allowed to counterattack with MAXIMAL NATO support until it loses its
forward momentum.

stoney <papajoe168@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 12:48:19 AM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
>> News articles:
>> 1. 'That's called WW3': Biden crosses own red line by giving 'offensive equipment' to Ukraine
>> https://www.express.co.uk/news/us/1726468/Joe-biden-Ukraine-ww3-warning-tanks-us-germany-latest-dxus
>>
>> "Joe Biden's decision to send 31 Abrams tanks to Ukraine is a
>> stunning U-turn on the President's previous pronouncements. The
>> President has been reluctant to send in tanks and other high-grade
>> military equipment, lest it drags America and its allies into direct
>> conflict with Russia. Back in March last year, Biden said in a
>> speech: “The idea that we're going to send in offensive equipment,
>> and have planes and tanks and trains going in with American pilots
>> and American crews - just understand.
>> Related articles
>> […]
>
> Americans will hate their president and cronies for sending tanks and
> may even boots when the risk on them is evidence to them is ash and
> dust, that Medvedev said.

Vladimir Vladimirowich Putin left only bad and worse choices.
Peace at any price may be as costly as World War 2 [P4OT-2]
Putin gets something "cheaply" Putin wants more, not quite unlike
Chancellor of 3rd German Reich Adolf Hitler.

IMHO The most likely outcome of current West/USA Ukrainian policy is
costly+ limited victory of Russia (incorporation of Eastern Ukraine).
It may be a close thing to Pyrrhic Victory [PV]. IMHO Something more is
possible bur less likely. Something _much_ less is also possible but
even less likely.

Any idiot chief can _start_ a war.

[P4OT-2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_for_our_time
> "Peace for our time" was a declaration made by British Prime Minister
> Neville Chamberlain in his 30 September 1938 remarks in London
> concerning the Munich Agreement and the subsequent Anglo-German
> Declaration.[1].

[PV] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrrhic_victory

--
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| When the blind lead the blind they will both fall over the cliff.
| (Chinese proverb)

On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 5:27:00 PM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 1:49:33 AM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> > On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 9:20:16 AM UTC, stoney wrote:
> > > On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 12:48:19 AM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > News articles:
> > > > 1. 'That's called WW3': Biden crosses own red line by giving 'offensive equipment' to Ukraine
> > > > https://www.express.co.uk/news/us/1726468/Joe-biden-Ukraine-ww3-warning-tanks-us-germany-latest-dxus
> > > >
> > > > "Joe Biden's decision to send 31 Abrams tanks to Ukraine is a stunning U-turn on the President's previous pronouncements. The President has been reluctant to send in tanks and other high-grade military equipment, lest it drags America and its allies into direct conflict with Russia. Back in March last year, Biden said in a speech: “The idea that we're going to send in offensive equipment, and have planes and tanks and trains going in with American pilots and American crews - just understand.
> > > > Related articles
> > > >
> > > > "Don't kid yourself. No matter what you all say, that's called World War III. Okay? Let's get it straight here guys."
> > > >
> > > > Commenting on the decision to send in tanks, the President said the armoured capability has been "critical for Ukraine" and the US "will train Ukrainian troops as soon as possible" - adding that Germany had "really stepped up support" of Mr Zelenskyy's troops.
> > > > ...
> > > > Planes and trains are still off the table but the decision to send in Abrams will be viewed by Moscow as a significant escalation in the conflict.
> > > >
> > > > Last week, Dmitry Medvedev, the deputy head of Russia’s Security Council and key ally of President Vladimir Putin, warned that defeat for Russia in Ukraine could lead to nuclear conflict.
> > > >
> > > > The timing of the warning seems calibrated to deter allies from sending more military equipment to Ukraine ahead of a fresh offensive.
> > > >
> > > > The former Russian president made the threat in a Telegram post ahead of a key meeting of NATO allies and other nations in Germany, where they are expected to make additional pledges of military support to Kyiv.
> > > >
> > > > “The loss of a nuclear power in a conventional war can provoke the outbreak of a nuclear war,” Medvedev wrote.
> > > >
> > > > “Nuclear powers do not lose major conflicts on which their fate depends."
> > > >
> > > > 2. WWIII would come if Russian tanks get to Kyiv says Crosetto
> > > > https://www.ansa.it/english/news/2023/01/27/wwiii-would-come-if-russian-tanks-get-to-kyiv-says-crosetto_521abcb4-2d75-4b87-a28b-273be784d61a.html
> > > >
> > > > "World War III would start the moment Russian tanks arrived in Kiev and on the borders of Europe. Making sure they do not arrive is the only way to stop World War III," said Crosetto during an event in Rome."
> > > >
> > > > 3. "If WWIII breaks out, it won’t start on tanks or fighter jets, warns Medvedev"
> > > > https://tass.com/politics/1568437
> > > >
> > > > "MOSCOW, January 28. /TASS/. Russian Security Council Deputy Chairman Dmitry Medvedev has lambasted Western attempts to justify arms deliveries to Kiev as an alleged effort to prevent a world war.
> > > >
> > > > "Firstly, defending Ukraine, which nobody needs in Europe, will not save the senile Old World from retribution if anything occurs. Secondly, once the Third World War breaks out, unfortunately it will not be on tanks or even on fighter jets. Then everything will definitely be turned to dust," Medvedev wrote on his Telegram channel on Saturday."
> >
> >
> > > Americans will hate their president and cronies for sending tanks and may even boots when the risk on them is evidence to them is ash and dust, that Medvedev said.
> > Pankaj Mishra's article published in WashingtonPost was given the title of
> > "The West Is Getting in Too Deep in Ukraine".
> >
> > Pankaj Mishra does express negative views on Putin and the operation common in most Western
> > presses. NATO getting in too deep in UKraine is an excellent description of the situation.
> >
> > Currently, there is no sign that significant number of Russians are disillusioned with the endeavor
> > and Putin's government is not eager to negotiate. Russia has historical reason to start the conflict,
> > good or bad depends on ones perspective.
> >
> > In contrast, it is not clear that "most people in Western nations support a deepening of their
> > confrontation with Russia. In fact, their opinion is hardly being sought. ...
> > Western governments benefit today from a broad and largely unchallenged consensus among
> > think tanks and mainstream periodicals: Russia’s defeat, if not outright capitulation..."
> Rand has a thorough and methodical report on the conflict.
> https://www.rand.org/pubs/perspectives/PEA2510-1.html
>
> Currently, the Russia-Ukraine is at a stalemate and neither side is willing to negotiate.
> Allowing the war to drag on would increase the risk of nuclear confrontation and direct
> Russia-NATO conflict. Not beneficial to the US and/or NATO allies.
>
> My take:
> To persuade Ukraine to the negotiation table and accepting territorial loss, Ukraine is
> encouraged/allowed to counterattack with MAXIMAL NATO support until it loses its
> forward momentum.

Time is not of essence. Russia will fight until it could secure the nation for whose who want to remain part of Russia.

""All of us want this to be over, but what matters here is not the timing, but the essence and the quality of the outcome
that we could secure for our nation, for those people who want to remain part of Russian culture and who have for years
been deprived of all things Russian by the Kiev junta with Western connivance," he maintained.

According to Lavrov, diplomats today should clarify things from a geopolitical point of view.

"<…> The more efficient we are in explaining what’s going on in terms of geopolitical games, the faster the world will realize,
perhaps, that we should be done with it. And we should be done with it as soon as we see that the US-led West drops its
stubborn insistence to keep [this conflict] simmering until they decide that any threat to their hegemony has been removed,"
the Russian foreign minister emphasized.

"Currently, we are working toward a pledge our Western counterparts have made - winning on the battlefield. This is their
formula, and they were the ones who refused to negotiate, since they forced the Kiev regime to abandon negotiations in late
March, precisely when it was still possible to find a political solution to this," Russia’s top diplomat concluded."

https://tass.com/politics/1570421

On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 1:09:38 PM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 5:27:00 PM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> > On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 1:49:33 AM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 9:20:16 AM UTC, stoney wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 12:48:19 AM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > News articles:
> > > > > 1. 'That's called WW3': Biden crosses own red line by giving 'offensive equipment' to Ukraine
> > > > > https://www.express.co.uk/news/us/1726468/Joe-biden-Ukraine-ww3-warning-tanks-us-germany-latest-dxus
> > > > >
> > > > > "Joe Biden's decision to send 31 Abrams tanks to Ukraine is a stunning U-turn on the President's previous pronouncements. The President has been reluctant to send in tanks and other high-grade military equipment, lest it drags America and its allies into direct conflict with Russia. Back in March last year, Biden said in a speech: “The idea that we're going to send in offensive equipment, and have planes and tanks and trains going in with American pilots and American crews - just understand.
> > > > > Related articles
> > > > >
> > > > > "Don't kid yourself. No matter what you all say, that's called World War III. Okay? Let's get it straight here guys."
> > > > >
> > > > > Commenting on the decision to send in tanks, the President said the armoured capability has been "critical for Ukraine" and the US "will train Ukrainian troops as soon as possible" - adding that Germany had "really stepped up support" of Mr Zelenskyy's troops.
> > > > > ...
> > > > > Planes and trains are still off the table but the decision to send in Abrams will be viewed by Moscow as a significant escalation in the conflict.
> > > > >
> > > > > Last week, Dmitry Medvedev, the deputy head of Russia’s Security Council and key ally of President Vladimir Putin, warned that defeat for Russia in Ukraine could lead to nuclear conflict.
> > > > >
> > > > > The timing of the warning seems calibrated to deter allies from sending more military equipment to Ukraine ahead of a fresh offensive.
> > > > >
> > > > > The former Russian president made the threat in a Telegram post ahead of a key meeting of NATO allies and other nations in Germany, where they are expected to make additional pledges of military support to Kyiv.
> > > > >
> > > > > “The loss of a nuclear power in a conventional war can provoke the outbreak of a nuclear war,” Medvedev wrote.
> > > > >
> > > > > “Nuclear powers do not lose major conflicts on which their fate depends."
> > > > >
> > > > > 2. WWIII would come if Russian tanks get to Kyiv says Crosetto
> > > > > https://www.ansa.it/english/news/2023/01/27/wwiii-would-come-if-russian-tanks-get-to-kyiv-says-crosetto_521abcb4-2d75-4b87-a28b-273be784d61a..html
> > > > >
> > > > > "World War III would start the moment Russian tanks arrived in Kiev and on the borders of Europe. Making sure they do not arrive is the only way to stop World War III," said Crosetto during an event in Rome."
> > > > >
> > > > > 3. "If WWIII breaks out, it won’t start on tanks or fighter jets, warns Medvedev"
> > > > > https://tass.com/politics/1568437
> > > > >
> > > > > "MOSCOW, January 28. /TASS/. Russian Security Council Deputy Chairman Dmitry Medvedev has lambasted Western attempts to justify arms deliveries to Kiev as an alleged effort to prevent a world war.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Firstly, defending Ukraine, which nobody needs in Europe, will not save the senile Old World from retribution if anything occurs. Secondly, once the Third World War breaks out, unfortunately it will not be on tanks or even on fighter jets. Then everything will definitely be turned to dust," Medvedev wrote on his Telegram channel on Saturday."
> > >
> > >
> > > > Americans will hate their president and cronies for sending tanks and may even boots when the risk on them is evidence to them is ash and dust, that Medvedev said.
> > > Pankaj Mishra's article published in WashingtonPost was given the title of
> > > "The West Is Getting in Too Deep in Ukraine".
> > >
> > > Pankaj Mishra does express negative views on Putin and the operation common in most Western
> > > presses. NATO getting in too deep in UKraine is an excellent description of the situation.
> > >
> > > Currently, there is no sign that significant number of Russians are disillusioned with the endeavor
> > > and Putin's government is not eager to negotiate. Russia has historical reason to start the conflict,
> > > good or bad depends on ones perspective.
> > >
> > > In contrast, it is not clear that "most people in Western nations support a deepening of their
> > > confrontation with Russia. In fact, their opinion is hardly being sought. ...
> > > Western governments benefit today from a broad and largely unchallenged consensus among
> > > think tanks and mainstream periodicals: Russia’s defeat, if not outright capitulation..."
> > Rand has a thorough and methodical report on the conflict.
> > https://www.rand.org/pubs/perspectives/PEA2510-1.html
> >
> > Currently, the Russia-Ukraine is at a stalemate and neither side is willing to negotiate.
> > Allowing the war to drag on would increase the risk of nuclear confrontation and direct
> > Russia-NATO conflict. Not beneficial to the US and/or NATO allies.
> >
> > My take:
> > To persuade Ukraine to the negotiation table and accepting territorial loss, Ukraine is
> > encouraged/allowed to counterattack with MAXIMAL NATO support until it loses its
> > forward momentum.
> Time is not of essence. Russia will fight until it could secure the nation for whose who want to remain part of Russia.
>
> ""All of us want this to be over, but what matters here is not the timing, but the essence and the quality of the outcome
> that we could secure for our nation, for those people who want to remain part of Russian culture and who have for years
> been deprived of all things Russian by the Kiev junta with Western connivance," he maintained.
>
> According to Lavrov, diplomats today should clarify things from a geopolitical point of view.
>
> "<…> The more efficient we are in explaining what’s going on in terms of geopolitical games, the faster the world will realize,
> perhaps, that we should be done with it. And we should be done with it as soon as we see that the US-led West drops its
> stubborn insistence to keep [this conflict] simmering until they decide that any threat to their hegemony has been removed,"
> the Russian foreign minister emphasized.
>
> "Currently, we are working toward a pledge our Western counterparts have made - winning on the battlefield. This is their
> formula, and they were the ones who refused to negotiate, since they forced the Kiev regime to abandon negotiations in late
> March, precisely when it was still possible to find a political solution to this," Russia’s top diplomat concluded."
>
> https://tass.com/politics/1570421

Another piece of news indicating things are not going well in Ukraine as reported by the
Atlanticist media:

"... a report in the international media claiming that US President Joe Biden offered 20%
of the war-ravaged nation to Russian President Vladimir Putin to end the war has created
a political storm. A report published in Swiss-German newspaper Neue Zürcher Zeitung
(NZZ) and Washington Post claimed that CIA Director, William Burns, offered Russian
President Vladimir Putin a fifth of Ukraine's territory in order to end the ongoing war as
part of a peace plan drawn up on behalf of President Joe Biden."

https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/did-us-president-joe-biden-offer-20-of-ukraine-to-vladimir-putin-to-end-war-heres-the-truth/ar-AA174fYt

On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 5:27:00 PM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 1:49:33 AM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> > On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 9:20:16 AM UTC, stoney wrote:
> > > On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 12:48:19 AM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > News articles:
> > > > 1. 'That's called WW3': Biden crosses own red line by giving 'offensive equipment' to Ukraine
> > > > https://www.express.co.uk/news/us/1726468/Joe-biden-Ukraine-ww3-warning-tanks-us-germany-latest-dxus
> > > >
> > > > "Joe Biden's decision to send 31 Abrams tanks to Ukraine is a stunning U-turn on the President's previous pronouncements. The President has been reluctant to send in tanks and other high-grade military equipment, lest it drags America and its allies into direct conflict with Russia. Back in March last year, Biden said in a speech: “The idea that we're going to send in offensive equipment, and have planes and tanks and trains going in with American pilots and American crews - just understand.
> > > > Related articles
> > > >
> > > > "Don't kid yourself. No matter what you all say, that's called World War III. Okay? Let's get it straight here guys."
> > > >
> > > > Commenting on the decision to send in tanks, the President said the armoured capability has been "critical for Ukraine" and the US "will train Ukrainian troops as soon as possible" - adding that Germany had "really stepped up support" of Mr Zelenskyy's troops.
> > > > ...
> > > > Planes and trains are still off the table but the decision to send in Abrams will be viewed by Moscow as a significant escalation in the conflict.
> > > >
> > > > Last week, Dmitry Medvedev, the deputy head of Russia’s Security Council and key ally of President Vladimir Putin, warned that defeat for Russia in Ukraine could lead to nuclear conflict.
> > > >
> > > > The timing of the warning seems calibrated to deter allies from sending more military equipment to Ukraine ahead of a fresh offensive.
> > > >
> > > > The former Russian president made the threat in a Telegram post ahead of a key meeting of NATO allies and other nations in Germany, where they are expected to make additional pledges of military support to Kyiv.
> > > >
> > > > “The loss of a nuclear power in a conventional war can provoke the outbreak of a nuclear war,” Medvedev wrote.
> > > >
> > > > “Nuclear powers do not lose major conflicts on which their fate depends."
> > > >
> > > > 2. WWIII would come if Russian tanks get to Kyiv says Crosetto
> > > > https://www.ansa.it/english/news/2023/01/27/wwiii-would-come-if-russian-tanks-get-to-kyiv-says-crosetto_521abcb4-2d75-4b87-a28b-273be784d61a.html
> > > >
> > > > "World War III would start the moment Russian tanks arrived in Kiev and on the borders of Europe. Making sure they do not arrive is the only way to stop World War III," said Crosetto during an event in Rome."
> > > >
> > > > 3. "If WWIII breaks out, it won’t start on tanks or fighter jets, warns Medvedev"
> > > > https://tass.com/politics/1568437
> > > >
> > > > "MOSCOW, January 28. /TASS/. Russian Security Council Deputy Chairman Dmitry Medvedev has lambasted Western attempts to justify arms deliveries to Kiev as an alleged effort to prevent a world war.
> > > >
> > > > "Firstly, defending Ukraine, which nobody needs in Europe, will not save the senile Old World from retribution if anything occurs. Secondly, once the Third World War breaks out, unfortunately it will not be on tanks or even on fighter jets. Then everything will definitely be turned to dust," Medvedev wrote on his Telegram channel on Saturday."
> >
> >
> > > Americans will hate their president and cronies for sending tanks and may even boots when the risk on them is evidence to them is ash and dust, that Medvedev said.
> > Pankaj Mishra's article published in WashingtonPost was given the title of
> > "The West Is Getting in Too Deep in Ukraine".
> >
> > Pankaj Mishra does express negative views on Putin and the operation common in most Western
> > presses. NATO getting in too deep in UKraine is an excellent description of the situation.
> >
> > Currently, there is no sign that significant number of Russians are disillusioned with the endeavor
> > and Putin's government is not eager to negotiate. Russia has historical reason to start the conflict,
> > good or bad depends on ones perspective.
> >
> > In contrast, it is not clear that "most people in Western nations support a deepening of their
> > confrontation with Russia. In fact, their opinion is hardly being sought. ...
> > Western governments benefit today from a broad and largely unchallenged consensus among
> > think tanks and mainstream periodicals: Russia’s defeat, if not outright capitulation..."
> Rand has a thorough and methodical report on the conflict.
> https://www.rand.org/pubs/perspectives/PEA2510-1.html
>
> Currently, the Russia-Ukraine is at a stalemate and neither side is willing to negotiate.
> Allowing the war to drag on would increase the risk of nuclear confrontation and direct
> Russia-NATO conflict. Not beneficial to the US and/or NATO allies.
>
> My take:
> To persuade Ukraine to the negotiation table and accepting territorial loss, Ukraine is
> encouraged/allowed to counterattack with MAXIMAL NATO support until it loses its
> forward momentum.

"The West wants to force Zelensky to peace talks with Moscow"
See more at https://english.pravda.ru/news/world/155904-zelensky_peace/