Loyd M Vauthier
Former Sgt (1969–1970)Nov 13

Near the end of the Vietnam war, the US had practically won. Viet Cong
were surrendering in record numbers, their main forces annihilated and
their leaders begging for peace. Why would the US pull out when they had
utterly crushed the Vietnamese?
Something all of you should think about is what General Vo Nguyen Giap,
the Commander in Chief of the North Vietnamese Army had to say about
John Kerry in his 1985 memoir “How We Won The War”. He said that the
North Vietnamese were planning a negotiated surrender after the 68 TET
offensive. They watched the US news and heard how distorted our press
reported it and the war protesters rioting in the streets of America. He
said “We were delighted. We went from a planned surrender to a policy of
needing to persevere for one more hour, day, week month, eventually the
protesters in America would help us to achieve a victory we knew we
could not win on the battlefield.” He also said “If it were not for
organizations like John Kerryʼs Vietnam Veterans Against the War, Hanoi
would have surrendered to the US.”

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Kevin Peterlinz
· 11h ago
So were the objections to the war about winning versus losing - or about
morality?

Fear of wasting young lives in a losing effort - Or fear of winning an
immoral war?

Morally - US citizens tend not to support wars of conquest in this day
and age -

I remember discussions back in the 1960s abput how horrible it was to
support a corrupt South Vietnamese government. That this was a immoral war.

Only years afterwards do we hear that people “feared not winning”

This is spin - not truth

Absolutely bull shit for most of us.

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Paul Donnelly
· Thu
I like the late Colonel Harry Summers’ story: he was in Paris
negotiating something or other, with a North Vietnamese officer in the
other delegation. They went out for drinks and got fairly plastered.
Eventually, Summers got a little belligerent: “You know, you never
defeated us on the battlefield,” he said to the guy.

Very nearly as drunk as Summers, the guy thought for second. “That may
be true,” he said, “but it is also irrelevant.”

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Dan Le
· November 14
The US had won - had achieved the Containment Policy to stop the
spreading of the evil dictatorship communism in Southeast Asia to
protect the influence of capitalism! And then the US immorally dropped
its ally Republic Vietnam (South Vietnam) to be bloodily destroyed by
the evil dictatorship Vietnamese communist party who still had support
from masters communist China and Russia in 1975!

The evil dictatorship Vietnamese communist party has been winning in the
propaganda during and after the war.

I feel obligated to right a summary of Vietnam War:

After WWII the US had a need to have France to be an ally to rebuild
Europe and NATO. Even though the US hated colonism because they
correctly believed that colonism had brought the WWII which had forced
the US to get involved, the US didn’t want to interfere with French
colonism in Vietnam!

After hundred years of control Vietnam and China borders, the colonists
French knew how to deal with the Vietnamese and China. The French were
correct as saying that without the French there would be no one could
stop the spreading of evil Chinese influence/control of the South East Asia.

The Vietnamese wanted independence from the French colonists but the US
couldn’t satisfy that desire by helping Vietnam to fight with the new
ally French (after WWII!

At the beginning during 1920 - 1950 it was about new learned nationalism
(from French education) that Vietnamese nationalists to try to get back
the country for themselves (not for Nguyên dynasty King Bao Dai) from
the “external “ French colonists.

In 1945 the Japanese colonists took over the control of Vietnam from the
French colonists. Then WWII came to the end to force the withdrawal of
the new Japanese colonists. The Cold War then followed to make the US to
replace the French to try to stop the spreading of the evil communism in
Southeast by China and Russia who had supported the evil secret Viet
Minh groups in defeating the French at Dien Bien Phu.

During 1930 - 1950 fighting against the French and the Japanese
colonists, there were many “following travelers” Nationalist Parties’
leaders- such as Phan Boi Chau, Pham Quynh, Truong Tu Anh, Dai Viet,
VNQDD, etc. who were eliminated directly or indirectly by the secret
extreme Viet Minh groups (lead by the infamous Ho Chi Minh)! The
Japanese colonists took power away from the French colonists in 1945 and
had created a Vietnamese puppet government Tran Trong Kim. This new
government had highest educated Vietnamese non-communist (nationalist
leaders). This new government only lasted 4 months as the Japanese
withdrew due to WWII lost in 1945.

The withdrawal of the Japanese colonists in 1945 had created a power
vacuum in all North South Central Vietnam. In China, similar vacuum of
power due to the fighting of Chinese Nationalists and Mao communist
party in 1945. The combination of power vacuum in two countries had
allowed Ho Chi Minh and his secret extremist Viet Minh to survive and
got support from their masters China and Russia in the border of China
and Vietnam ( Khang chien khu Tay Bac)!

in 1945 due to no centralized power control system (no external
colonists Japanese or French), the millions of Vietnamese deaths (mainly
in the North) due to starvation because the rice from the South couldn’t
be transported to the North. The Vietnamese people are still being
brainwashed by the evil dictatorship Vietnamese communist party to blame
this disaster to the Japanese colonists who already lost control of
Vietnam at that time! The Japanese puppet Vietnamese government Tran
Trong Kim had tried to help but they were too weak to make the
difference! Power vacuum had created opportunities for ALL Vietnamese
groups- including Viet Minh- to raise up to gain back the independence.
The groups in the South and Central were successful before Ho Chi Minh
Viet Minh group STOLE the independence in Hanoi. (The former Tran Trong
Kim nationalist government had more power than Viet Minh but made
crucial mistakes in allowing the Viet Minh to legally gaining power and
control Vietnam - in the traditional control fashion that whoever
controlling Hanoi means controlling the whole country Vietnam! Viet Minh
had successfully stole the legitimacy from other Vietnamese Nationalist
groups in 1945!

Ho Chi Minh then skillful in politics with saying that gaining power is
not easy as keeping power! He temporarily asked for help from other
Vietnamese Nationalist Parties’ leaders to help his Viet Minh government
until he’s strong enough with the support from his masters communist
China and Russia to eliminate all others Vietnamese Nationalist Parties’
leaders!

In 1950 period, The world was in high pressure and to avoid the possible
WWIII, the western world decided to calm down conflicts by forcing both
sides- communist and capitalist- into Geneva Convention to settle the
conflict in Vietnam theater! Of course it was a temporary peaceful
effort which only gave a brief relief to split Vietnam into two
countries: The puppet North (VNDCCH country) was recognized and
supported by their masters communist China and Russia! The puppet South
(VNCH country) was recognized and supported by their masters capitalist USA!

Ho Chi Minh and his evil dictatorship Vietnamese communist party finally
showed true colors of dictatorship regime by changing the Viet Minh to
Vietnamese Communist Party who had failed miserably in the economy-
especially in the copied from China Cai Cach Ruong Dat (Cultural
Revolution) which had killed over 172,000 innocent people! Ho Chi Minh
cried and simply apologized for the mistakes!

The support from China and Russia to defeat the French in Dien Bien Phu
had a price to pay. The evil dictatorship Vietnamese communist party was
gladly to be a slave for communist China and Russia to fight against the
mighty capitalist USA in the Cold War theater in Vietnam! All masters
USA, Russia and China never wanted to escalate the Cold War in Vietnam
theater. They were okay with Vietnam to be splitting into two halves as
Korea but the evil dictatorship Vietnamese communist party had failed
miserably in their new learned centralized economic system to find a
survival mechanism: they were lucky to have a new leader Le Duan who
singled handed to create the guerrilla warfare to escalate the war which
killed millions of innocent people and 55,000+ US soldiers! Instead of
rebuilding the North and stay in peaceful with the South, the evil Le
Duan escalated the guerrilla warfare to get more support from the
masters communist China and Russia to sacrifice millions of innocent
people in the war!

The Vietnam War has been corrected by the historians to call it
correctly The Le Duan War. The outcome of the war had only one loser:
the former Republic Vietnam (South Vietnam). By 1970 period, The masters
capitalist USA had achieved the Containment Policy to stop the spreading
of the evil communism to protect the influence of capitalism in South
East Asia. The US then immorally dropped its ally Republic Vietnam
(South Vietnam) to be bloodily destroyed by the evil dictatorship
Vietnamese communist party who still had support from their masters
communist China and Russia in 1975! The US nowadays has continued the
immoral foreign policy to support the evil dictatorship Vietnamese
communist party who has kept Vietnam to be the most “peaceful “ country
in the world to stay poor forever and only able to provide cheap labor
to benefit capitalist companies and the evil dictatorship Vietnamese
communist party leaders and their small clans followers!