As of 1 pm Friday, March 11th in the Eastern Time Zone,, 2021-2022 Standard Time ends in 37 hours, so at 2 am "spring forward" a single hour to Daylight Saving Time* (frequently mischaracterized as "Daylight Savings").

And this year, the planet hits the Vernal Equinox*** not quite a week later, instantaneously sometime during the minute of 11:32 am ET, and who among us won't heartily welcome Spring 2022?

BRYAN STYBLE/Florida
_______________________
* Often said to have been first proposed** by Benjamin Franklin, even though he died on Saturday, April 17, 1790, nearly a century before time zones were established in the wake of railroad ubiquity during the late 19th Century.
** But anyone herein know just WHERE Franklin proposed it? Betwixt aphorisms in "Poor Richard's Almanac" ? Within the windows-shut-for-secrecy Independence Hall during The Constitutional Convention during the sweltering Philadelphia summer of 1787? During one of his trysts in Paris with any of the many, many French lovelies who were invariably charmed by the arguably most-famous non-sovereign on the planet, all the while wife Deborah was dutifully awaiting his return to North America?
*** You can correctly pronounce that as "EE-kwa-nox" or "EK-wa-nox", as both variants are equally**** accepted as Standard English.
**** Which, RATHER IRONICALLY, one CANNOT acceptably pronounce "EK-willy" !

I was remiss in not specifying the Vernal Equinox as passing near midday on Sunday, March 20th this year (per many institutions, including Vice Presidential estate The Naval* Observatory).

STYBLE/Florida
_______________________________________
** So glad that's spelled with two As; who on earth wants to go around observing THAT ?

That footnote was so stupid that I erroneously double-asterisked it.

Happy forthcoming Spring, Everyone!

STYBLE/Florida

radioacti...@gmail.com <radioactiveseattle@gmail.com> wrote:
> As of 1 pm Friday, March 11th in the Eastern Time Zone,, 2021-2022 Standard Time ends in 37 hours, so at 2 am "spring forward" a single hour to Daylight Saving Time* (frequently mischaracterized as "Daylight Savings").
>
> And this year, the planet hits the Vernal Equinox*** not quite a week later, instantaneously sometime during the minute of 11:32 am ET, and who among us won't heartily welcome Spring 2022?
>
> BRYAN STYBLE/Florida
> _______________________
> * Often said to have been first proposed** by Benjamin Franklin, even though he died on Saturday, April 17, 1790, nearly a century before time zones were established in the wake of railroad ubiquity during the late 19th Century.
> ** But anyone herein know just WHERE Franklin proposed it? Betwixt aphorisms in "Poor Richard's Almanac" ? Within the windows-shut-for-secrecy Independence Hall during The Constitutional Convention during the sweltering Philadelphia summer of 1787? During one of his trysts in Paris with any of the many, many French lovelies who were invariably charmed by the arguably most-famous non-sovereign on the planet, all the while wife Deborah was dutifully awaiting his return to North America?
> *** You can correctly pronounce that as "EE-kwa-nox" or "EK-wa-nox", as both variants are equally**** accepted as Standard English.
> **** Which, RATHER IRONICALLY, one CANNOT acceptably pronounce "EK-willy" !

Disturbingly,the US Senate has just by voice vote passed a law
that would saddle us with year-round DST starting next year.
Standard time is the only "only time" I can consider acceptable,
as with DST it is never noon when the sun is highest!

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

On Tuesday, March 15, 2022 at 8:01:59 PM UTC-4, Louis Epstein wrote:
> radioacti...@gmail.com <radioacti...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > As of 1 pm Friday, March 11th in the Eastern Time Zone,, 2021-2022 Standard Time ends in 37 hours, so at 2 am "spring forward" a single hour to Daylight Saving Time* (frequently mischaracterized as "Daylight Savings").
> >
> > And this year, the planet hits the Vernal Equinox*** not quite a week later, instantaneously sometime during the minute of 11:32 am ET, and who among us won't heartily welcome Spring 2022?
> >
> > BRYAN STYBLE/Florida
> > _______________________
> > * Often said to have been first proposed** by Benjamin Franklin, even though he died on Saturday, April 17, 1790, nearly a century before time zones were established in the wake of railroad ubiquity during the late 19th Century.
> > ** But anyone herein know just WHERE Franklin proposed it? Betwixt aphorisms in "Poor Richard's Almanac" ? Within the windows-shut-for-secrecy Independence Hall during The Constitutional Convention during the sweltering Philadelphia summer of 1787? During one of his trysts in Paris with any of the many, many French lovelies who were invariably charmed by the arguably most-famous non-sovereign on the planet, all the while wife Deborah was dutifully awaiting his return to North America?
> > *** You can correctly pronounce that as "EE-kwa-nox" or "EK-wa-nox", as both variants are equally**** accepted as Standard English.
> > **** Which, RATHER IRONICALLY, one CANNOT acceptably pronounce "EK-willy" !
> Disturbingly,the US Senate has just by voice vote passed a law
> that would saddle us with year-round DST starting next year.
> Standard time is the only "only time" I can consider acceptable,
> as with DST it is never noon when the sun is highest!
>
> -=-=-
> The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
> at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

I'd rather have the sun not at its highest at Noon than to have the sun set at 4:30 PM.

In article <99564151-181f-4178-b93c-e9d8408186ffn@googlegroups.com>,
Marc Catone <marc.catone@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tuesday, March 15, 2022 at 8:01:59 PM UTC-4, Louis Epstein wrote:
> > radioacti...@gmail.com <radioacti...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > As of 1 pm Friday, March 11th in the Eastern Time Zone,, 2021-2022
> > > Standard Time ends in 37 hours, so at 2 am "spring forward" a single hour
> > > to Daylight Saving Time* (frequently mischaracterized as "Daylight
> > > Savings").
> > >
> > > And this year, the planet hits the Vernal Equinox*** not quite a week
> > > later, instantaneously sometime during the minute of 11:32 am ET, and who
> > > among us won't heartily welcome Spring 2022?
> > >
> > > BRYAN STYBLE/Florida
> > > _______________________
> > > * Often said to have been first proposed** by Benjamin Franklin, even
> > > though he died on Saturday, April 17, 1790, nearly a century before time
> > > zones were established in the wake of railroad ubiquity during the late
> > > 19th Century.
> > > ** But anyone herein know just WHERE Franklin proposed it? Betwixt
> > > aphorisms in "Poor Richard's Almanac" ? Within the
> > > windows-shut-for-secrecy Independence Hall during The Constitutional
> > > Convention during the sweltering Philadelphia summer of 1787? During one
> > > of his trysts in Paris with any of the many, many French lovelies who
> > > were invariably charmed by the arguably most-famous non-sovereign on the
> > > planet, all the while wife Deborah was dutifully awaiting his return to
> > > North America?
> > > *** You can correctly pronounce that as "EE-kwa-nox" or "EK-wa-nox", as
> > > both variants are equally**** accepted as Standard English.
> > > **** Which, RATHER IRONICALLY, one CANNOT acceptably pronounce "EK-willy"
> > > !
> > Disturbingly,the US Senate has just by voice vote passed a law
> > that would saddle us with year-round DST starting next year.
> > Standard time is the only "only time" I can consider acceptable,
> > as with DST it is never noon when the sun is highest!
> >
> > -=-=-
> > The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
> > at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
>
> I'd rather have the sun not at its highest at Noon than to have the
> sun set at 4:30 PM.

And that's the thing. I love it when winter comes and everything
settles down for a bit of rest before we start the whole thing over
again. I agree with Louis (gasp!) that high noon should be around 12
noon.

On Tue, 15 Mar 2022 22:02:13 -0400, A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:

| And that's the thing. I love it when winter comes and everything
| settles down for a bit of rest before we start the whole thing over
| again. I agree with Louis (gasp!) that high noon should be around 12
| noon.

I also agree, but my body clock unfortunately doesn't. It likes DST and will be
quite happy to be switched to it permanently.

Larc

If I understand Sir Epstein's position correctly, then even STANDARD time won't satisfy his solar frustration--as thanks to the 24 International time zones, the sun* is almost NEVER directly overhead at noon in a given locale, unless you're on a particular line of longitude** !

So Louis, I gather you'd like to see time zones as WELL as DST abolished?

Meanwhile, right now I'm heading out to my condo community's poolside patio to catch some of those way-more-direct-than-last-week-under-Standard-Time tanning rays.

BRYAN STYBLE/Florida
_______________________________________________________
* Or more precisely, the apparent leading edge of our nearest star (as opposed to the solar disc's center).
** Can't recall offhand if that specific longitude line is in the center or, rather, at the eastern boundary of each given time zone--and have no opportunity right now to research that key question.

radioacti...@gmail.com <radioactiveseattle@gmail.com> wrote:
> If I understand Sir Epstein's position correctly, then even STANDARD time won't satisfy his solar frustration--as thanks to the 24 International time zones, the sun* is almost NEVER directly overhead at noon in a given locale, unless you're on a particular line of longitude** !
>
> So Louis, I gather you'd like to see time zones as WELL as DST abolished?

Some refinement as necessary.
> Meanwhile, right now I'm heading out to my condo community's poolside patio
> to catch some of those way-more-direct-than-last-week-under-Standard-Time
> tanning rays.

Er...Daylight Shifting Time started on the 13th already.

> BRYAN STYBLE/Florida
> _______________________________________________________
> * Or more precisely, the apparent leading edge of our nearest star (as opposed to the solar disc's center).
> ** Can't recall offhand if that specific longitude line is in the center
> or, rather, at the eastern boundary of each given time zone--and have no
> opportunity right now to research that key question.

Not sure what time zones if any are bounded by lines of longitude
rather than politically designated jagged lines.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

Larc <larc@notmyaddress.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Mar 2022 22:02:13 -0400, A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
>
> | And that's the thing. I love it when winter comes and everything
> | settles down for a bit of rest before we start the whole thing over
> | again. I agree with Louis (gasp!) that high noon should be around 12
> | noon.
>
> I also agree, but my body clock unfortunately doesn't. It likes DST and will be
> quite happy to be switched to it permanently.
>
> Larc

Let your mind shift your clock,not vice versa.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

Marc Catone <marc.catone@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 15, 2022 at 8:01:59 PM UTC-4, Louis Epstein wrote:
>> radioacti...@gmail.com <radioacti...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > As of 1 pm Friday, March 11th in the Eastern Time Zone,, 2021-2022 Standard Time ends in 37 hours, so at 2 am "spring forward" a single hour to Daylight Saving Time* (frequently mischaracterized as "Daylight Savings").
>> >
>> > And this year, the planet hits the Vernal Equinox*** not quite a week later, instantaneously sometime during the minute of 11:32 am ET, and who among us won't heartily welcome Spring 2022?
>> >
>> > BRYAN STYBLE/Florida
>> > _______________________
>> > * Often said to have been first proposed** by Benjamin Franklin, even though he died on Saturday, April 17, 1790, nearly a century before time zones were established in the wake of railroad ubiquity during the late 19th Century.
>> > ** But anyone herein know just WHERE Franklin proposed it? Betwixt aphorisms in "Poor Richard's Almanac" ? Within the windows-shut-for-secrecy Independence Hall during The Constitutional Convention during the sweltering Philadelphia summer of 1787? During one of his trysts in Paris with any of the many, many French lovelies who were invariably charmed by the arguably most-famous non-sovereign on the planet, all the while wife Deborah was dutifully awaiting his return to North America?
>> > *** You can correctly pronounce that as "EE-kwa-nox" or "EK-wa-nox", as both variants are equally**** accepted as Standard English.
>> > **** Which, RATHER IRONICALLY, one CANNOT acceptably pronounce "EK-willy" !
>> Disturbingly,the US Senate has just by voice vote passed a law
>> that would saddle us with year-round DST starting next year.
>> Standard time is the only "only time" I can consider acceptable,
>> as with DST it is never noon when the sun is highest!
>>
>
> I'd rather have the sun not at its highest at Noon than to have the sun set at 4:30 PM.

And you'd rather wake up in the dark?

>> -=-=-
>> The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
>> at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

In article <t0tths$e98$1@reader1.panix.com>,
Louis Epstein <le@top.put.com> wrote:
....
>Not sure what time zones if any are bounded by lines of longitude
>rather than politically designated jagged lines.

Probably none (or very few) today, but originally, and by design, it was
thus. Ideally (i.e., before the pols got in to mess things up), you'd
start with the prime meridian (0 degrees longitude) going down the middle
of GMT - i.e., with 7.5 degrees on either side of it. And so on around the
world.

But then, of course, the pols got in and messed it all up...

--
The key difference between faith and science is that in science, evidence that
doesn't fit the theory tends to weaken the theory (that is, make it less likely to
be believed), whereas in faith, contrary evidence just makes faith stronger (on
the assumption that Satan is testing you - trying to make you abandon your faith).

A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
> In article <99564151-181f-4178-b93c-e9d8408186ffn@googlegroups.com>,
> Marc Catone <marc.catone@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, March 15, 2022 at 8:01:59 PM UTC-4, Louis Epstein wrote:
>> > radioacti...@gmail.com <radioacti...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > As of 1 pm Friday, March 11th in the Eastern Time Zone,, 2021-2022
>> > > Standard Time ends in 37 hours, so at 2 am "spring forward" a single hour
>> > > to Daylight Saving Time* (frequently mischaracterized as "Daylight
>> > > Savings").
>> > >
>> > > And this year, the planet hits the Vernal Equinox*** not quite a week
>> > > later, instantaneously sometime during the minute of 11:32 am ET, and who
>> > > among us won't heartily welcome Spring 2022?
>> > >
>> > > BRYAN STYBLE/Florida
>> > > _______________________
>> > > * Often said to have been first proposed** by Benjamin Franklin, even
>> > > though he died on Saturday, April 17, 1790, nearly a century before time
>> > > zones were established in the wake of railroad ubiquity during the late
>> > > 19th Century.
>> > > ** But anyone herein know just WHERE Franklin proposed it? Betwixt
>> > > aphorisms in "Poor Richard's Almanac" ? Within the
>> > > windows-shut-for-secrecy Independence Hall during The Constitutional
>> > > Convention during the sweltering Philadelphia summer of 1787? During one
>> > > of his trysts in Paris with any of the many, many French lovelies who
>> > > were invariably charmed by the arguably most-famous non-sovereign on the
>> > > planet, all the while wife Deborah was dutifully awaiting his return to
>> > > North America?
>> > > *** You can correctly pronounce that as "EE-kwa-nox" or "EK-wa-nox", as
>> > > both variants are equally**** accepted as Standard English.
>> > > **** Which, RATHER IRONICALLY, one CANNOT acceptably pronounce "EK-willy"
>> > > !
>> > Disturbingly,the US Senate has just by voice vote passed a law
>> > that would saddle us with year-round DST starting next year.
>> > Standard time is the only "only time" I can consider acceptable,
>> > as with DST it is never noon when the sun is highest!
>> >
>>
>> I'd rather have the sun not at its highest at Noon than to have the
>> sun set at 4:30 PM.
>
>
> And that's the thing. I love it when winter comes and everything
> settles down for a bit of rest before we start the whole thing over
> again. I agree with Louis (gasp!) that high noon should be around 12
> noon.

Now comes word that this passed by mistake...
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/paulmcleod/daylight-saving-time-senate

>> > -=-=-
>> > The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
>> > at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

I remind y'all: we here in the Northern Hemisphere hit the 2022 Vernal Equinox sometime instantaneously during the minute of 11:32 am ET Sunday morning, March 20th...leaving about 16 hours remaining of Winter 2021/22 as of this posting.

Wish you all a lovely and healthy (and mushroom-cloud-free) Spring !

BRYAN STYBLE/Florida

Okay, it's 11:37 am ET, which means we've all survived the this most-recent winter. And may we not HAVE to be concerned with surviving a dreaded NUCLEAR winter.

And to paraphrase the ever-genial David Hartman--St. Louis high school teacher Lucas Tanner* himself!--who used to wrap every edition of his iteration of the ABC morning gabfest: NOW GO OUT AND MAKE IT A GREAT SPRING !

BRYAN STYBLE/Florida
_______________________
* While the good-natured-but-fictive Tanner taught at the fictional Harry Truman High School, your ever-St. Louis-hyping correspondent for 6th and 7th grades [1966-68] actually ATTENDED proudly the not-at-all-imaginary Harry Truman Middle School** !
** Even though it was only after I and my Class of 1973 classmates were elsewhere [moved over to Lindbergh's lamely-named "8th Grade Center"] that the Lindbergh School Board did the wise thing by rechristening it in honor of not only Missouri's sole President, but also one of the greatest*** ever****.
*** The band Chicago--who had that incredibly-improbable Top 40 hit with their Truman tribute single--certainly seemed to agree.
**** Truman had all the markings to suggest he would be one of the few great Vice Presidents ever...but of course he never had much of a chance to realize that, inasmuch as FDR's Warm Springs, Georgia demise at The Little White House***** limited him to barely 11 weeks in that seldom-appreciated office.
***** To me, it's utterly dismaying how many tourists visit Atlanta--a once-proud city now sadly well on its way to wretchedly becoming the Detroit of the South--without even THINKING to make a several-hours side-trip to see both the study and bedroom (an hour or so to the southwest in quite hilly, rural Georgia) where FDR was first stricken ("I have a terrific headache" are said to be his final words) by stroke, and then expired an hour or so later in an adjacent room. As you might imagine, the site is beautifully maintained (can't recall if its the Feds or mere Georgia authorities who have dominion over the site, but whoever does it keeps it nice). Oh, and the lovely museum at the site has on display the huge never-completed portrait [unrealistically portrayed standing] that the Russian-American artist Elizabeth Shoumatoff was painting when he collapsed (and before they could hustle FDR paramour Lucy Mercer and her artist friend away from the site before reporters deluged the scene later that fateful Thursday, April 12, 1945.

radioacti...@gmail.com <radioactiveseattle@gmail.com> wrote:
> Okay, it's 11:37 am ET, which means we've all survived the this most-recent winter. And may we not HAVE to be concerned with surviving a dreaded NUCLEAR winter.
>
> And to paraphrase the ever-genial David Hartman--St. Louis high school teacher Lucas Tanner* himself!--who used to wrap every edition of his iteration of the ABC morning gabfest: NOW GO OUT AND MAKE IT A GREAT SPRING !
>
> BRYAN STYBLE/Florida
> _______________________
> * While the good-natured-but-fictive Tanner taught at the fictional Harry Truman High School, your ever-St. Louis-hyping correspondent for 6th and 7th grades [1966-68] actually ATTENDED proudly the not-at-all-imaginary Harry Truman Middle School** !
> ** Even though it was only after I and my Class of 1973 classmates were elsewhere [moved over to Lindbergh's lamely-named "8th Grade Center"] that the Lindbergh School Board did the wise thing by rechristening it in honor of not only Missouri's sole President, but also one of the greatest*** ever****.
> *** The band Chicago--who had that incredibly-improbable Top 40 hit with their Truman tribute single--certainly seemed to agree.
> **** Truman had all the markings to suggest he would be one of the few great Vice Presidents ever...but of course he never had much of a chance to realize that, inasmuch as FDR's Warm Springs, Georgia demise at The Little White House***** limited him to barely 11 weeks in that seldom-appreciated office.
> ***** To me, it's utterly dismaying how many tourists visit Atlanta--a
> once-proud city now sadly well on its way to wretchedly becoming the
> Detroit of the South--without even THINKING to make a several-hours
> side-trip to see both the study and bedroom (an hour or so to the southwest
> in quite hilly, rural Georgia) where FDR was first stricken ("I have a
> terrific headache" are said to be his final words) by stroke, and then
> expired an hour or so later in an adjacent room.

A biography I acquired as a child (subtitled "Man of Destiny") records
that this prompted "the shortest news flash ever sent",with the text
"FDR DEAD".

> As you might imagine, the site is beautifully maintained (can't recall if
> its the Feds or mere Georgia authorities who have dominion over the site,
> but whoever does it keeps it nice). Oh, and the lovely museum at the site
> has on display the huge never-completed portrait [unrealistically portrayed
> standing] that the Russian-American artist Elizabeth Shoumatoff was

grandmother of Nicholas Shoumatoff (1941-2018),who changed his name
to "He Who Stands Firm" and adopted a stick figure of a standing man
as his signature.

> painting when he collapsed (and before they could hustle FDR paramour Lucy
> Mercer and her artist friend away from the site before reporters deluged
> the scene later that fateful Thursday, April 12, 1945.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

Louis Epstein <le@top.put.com> wrote:

>Disturbingly,the US Senate has just by voice vote passed a law
>that would saddle us with year-round DST starting next year.
>Standard time is the only "only time" I can consider acceptable,
>as with DST it is never noon when the sun is highest!

I had to look this up. It was not passed in the Senate on a voice vote,
but unanimously because no Senator put a hold on it to prevent the vote.

The Uniform Time Act of 1966 was proposed to be amended by the Sunshine
Protection Act, introduced by Mark Rubio and passed unanimously by the
U.S. Senate.

The bill provided that in states observing Daylight Saving Time, Daylight
Saving Time would be observed year round effective November 5, 2023.

In states that do no observe Daylight Saving Time -- most of Arizona and
Hawaii -- had the option to remain on Standard Time year round. Some,
but not all, tribal reservations in Arizona observe Daylight Saving Time.

It has yet to pass the House of Representatives.

https://www.timeanddate.com/news/time/us-permanent-dst.html

Therefore, Standard Time will be in effect 11/6/2022, Daylight Saving Time
3/12/2023, and Standard Time 11/5/2023.

Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> Louis Epstein <le@top.put.com> wrote:
>
>>Disturbingly,the US Senate has just by voice vote passed a law
>>that would saddle us with year-round DST starting next year.
>>Standard time is the only "only time" I can consider acceptable,
>>as with DST it is never noon when the sun is highest!
>
> I had to look this up. It was not passed in the Senate on a voice vote,
> but unanimously because no Senator put a hold on it to prevent the vote.

What is the difference between a "without-objection" passage and
a voice vote?

(I recall reading written assertions that the election of Robert
Byrd as President Pro Tempore in 2007 was along party lines,as I
watched live on C-SPAN Cheney simply said "without objection,the
resolution is agreed to" and Byrd came to the well and was
administered the oath...would the resolution have included the
proviso that it be recorded as passing along party lines?)
> The Uniform Time Act of 1966 was proposed to be amended by the Sunshine
> Protection Act, introduced by Mark Rubio and passed unanimously by the
> U.S. Senate.
>
> The bill provided that in states observing Daylight Saving Time, Daylight
> Saving Time would be observed year round effective November 5, 2023.
>
> In states that do no observe Daylight Saving Time -- most of Arizona and
> Hawaii -- had the option to remain on Standard Time year round. Some,
> but not all, tribal reservations in Arizona observe Daylight Saving Time.

Standard time is based on the sun being overhead as noon,
and is thus necessarily more correct than DST.

> It has yet to pass the House of Representatives.

I believe it has not been allocated time.

> https://www.timeanddate.com/news/time/us-permanent-dst.html
>
> Therefore, Standard Time will be in effect 11/6/2022, Daylight Saving Time
> 3/12/2023, and Standard Time 11/5/2023.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

I know folks find it annoying when anyone is deemed persnickety about something, but the subject here IS astronomy, after all:

Thus: local noon is not merely designated as being when the sun is at the local zenith, but rather ITS LEADING EDGE thereat. As for which specific line of longitude at which this is measured for a given international time zone I'm not certain, and of course time zones frequently deviate from such demarkacation in consideration of population centers, etc.

In any event, all y'all DST-resistors need not fret after 2 am on Sunday, November 6, 2022 when we all return to Standard Time on through into 2023. (And then, starting two days hence from our collective Falling Back, we can ALL fret about our respective fave candidates losing a close one on the First Tuesday After the First Monday* in November.

BRYAN STYBLE/Florida
_______________________
* Whom those who didn't pay attention in civics class almost always erroneously misremember as merely "the first Tuesday in November", which of course is NOT the case whenever November 1st falls on a Tuesday...as it just so happens to occur this annum and why this so-called Election Day---it's nowadays Day in name only inasmuch as it has been transmogrified into Election Week and even Election Month in many jurisdictions by decidedly diligent (and disingenuous) Democrat lobbying in the name of turnout-enhancement over many years in the various early-voting states--is on November 8th rather than November 1, 2022.

Louis Epstein <le@top.put.com> wrote:
>Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>Louis Epstein <le@top.put.com> wrote:

>>>Disturbingly,the US Senate has just by voice vote passed a law
>>>that would saddle us with year-round DST starting next year.
>>>Standard time is the only "only time" I can consider acceptable,
>>>as with DST it is never noon when the sun is highest!

>>I had to look this up. It was not passed in the Senate on a voice vote,
>>but unanimously because no Senator put a hold on it to prevent the vote.

>What is the difference between a "without-objection" passage and
>a voice vote?

The lack of a voice vote?

Motions that are presumed to be noncontroversial (because no Senator has
filed an objection or put a hold on the motion) are not routinely voted
upon.

>(I recall reading written assertions that the election of Robert
>Byrd as President Pro Tempore in 2007 was along party lines,as I
>watched live on C-SPAN Cheney simply said "without objection,the
>resolution is agreed to" and Byrd came to the well and was
>administered the oath...would the resolution have included the
>proviso that it be recorded as passing along party lines?)

No. If there's a roll call vote, the names are always recorded.

>>The Uniform Time Act of 1966 was proposed to be amended by the Sunshine
>>Protection Act, introduced by Mark Rubio and passed unanimously by the
>>U.S. Senate.

>>The bill provided that in states observing Daylight Saving Time, Daylight
>>Saving Time would be observed year round effective November 5, 2023.

>>In states that do no observe Daylight Saving Time -- most of Arizona and
>>Hawaii -- had the option to remain on Standard Time year round. Some,
>>but not all, tribal reservations in Arizona observe Daylight Saving Time.

>Standard time is based on the sun being overhead as noon,
>and is thus necessarily more correct than DST.

Only at a particular longitude within the time zone. The purpose of
Standard Time was to eliminate the use of "local noon".

I personally would prefer to remain on Standard Time year round, but no
one asks my opinion. Typically I wake up around 6 am, sometimes earlier.
Walking the dog at this time of year is before dawn. I miss having sun
in the very early morning.

fwiw, the former Continental Illinois Bank building at 231 S LaSalle St
in the Chicago Loop renamed itself the Central Standard building. On this
site in 1883, at the Grand Pacific Hotel, railroads of the United States
and Canada meeting as the General Time Convention divided continental
United States and Canada (I have no idea if Mexican railroad managers
were included) into 5 times zones with time based at the multiple of 15
degrees longitute.

This is where the time zone names came from -- Pacific, Mountain,
Central, and Eastern. -0400 at 60 deg longitude was Intercolonial Time;
not sure when it was renamed Atlantic Time.

Railroads got a time signal as relayed from the United States Naval
Observatory. This was based in part on the Charles Dowd proposal of
1872, with the 15 degree wide bands of longitute as nominal time zones,
modified to account for local geographical features.

This was a modification of the Charles Dowd proposal. Sandford Fleming
proposed the worldwide adaption of Standard Time and the longitude with
the prime meridian based at the Royal Observatory in Greenwich. Fleming
proposed the 24 hour clock and 24 15 degree wide longitude bands A-Y
(skipping J). Fleming's system was adopted in part in 1884. The day ran
from midnight till midnight and the Greenwich meridian was set as the
prime meridian. The 15 degree time zone bands was not adopted. Time
zones and what offset to use were left to local discretion.

Note that time-keeping and the discovery of the longitude go hand in
hand as longitude calculation requires the use of a precise watch;
latitude calculation was done by observing stars.

Why Greenwich? The British simply had a hell of a lot more maps for
navigation than anybody else. There were plenty of other proposals, like
locating the prime meridian through Paris or Rome, but the French and
the Italians didn't have maps. Washington D.C. at the Naval Observatory
was also proposed but the United States just didn't have as many maps as
the British had.

In the United States, it took the Standard Time Act of 1918 to force the
adoption of Standard Time for all commercial and trade purposes. This
act also established the Daylight Saving Time change at 2 am. Time zone
boundaries were set by the Interstate Commerce Commission (with the
I.C.C. sunset, the duties were transferred to the Secretary of
Transportation), given that railroads had lobbied for Standard Time.

Daylight Saving Time, however, wasn't uniformly adopted by states, hence
the Uniform Time Act of 1966 which at least forced states to use the
same dates for the time change, although states can remain on Standard
Time year round if they like.

>>It has yet to pass the House of Representatives.

>I believe it has not been allocated time.

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>>https://www.timeanddate.com/news/time/us-permanent-dst.html

>>Therefore, Standard Time will be in effect 11/6/2022, Daylight Saving Time
>>3/12/2023, and Standard Time 11/5/2023.

radioactiveseattle@gmail.com wrote:

>As of 1 pm Friday, March 11th in the Eastern Time Zone,, 2021-2022
>Standard Time ends in 37 hours, so at 2 am "spring forward" a single
>hour to Daylight Saving Time* (frequently mischaracterized as "Daylight
>Savings").

>. . .

Did all of you get up at 2 am this morning to set your clocks back an
hour? Many of my clocks are networked but the ones that require manual
intervention are in vehicles. One vehicle has both a network clock in
the navigation system that requires intervention to end Daylight time,
plus a dashboard clock that's set manually.

Thermostat, built-in intercom/radio, stove, microwave, replica antique
clock, television monitor, wristwatches

I think the rest are networked.

In article <tk8r5h$37qrb$1@dont-email.me>, Adam H. Kerman
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

> radioactiveseattle@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >As of 1 pm Friday, March 11th in the Eastern Time Zone,, 2021-2022
> >Standard Time ends in 37 hours, so at 2 am "spring forward" a single
> >hour to Daylight Saving Time* (frequently mischaracterized as "Daylight
> >Savings").
>
> >. . .
>
> Did all of you get up at 2 am this morning to set your clocks back an
> hour? Many of my clocks are networked but the ones that require manual
> intervention are in vehicles. One vehicle has both a network clock in
> the navigation system that requires intervention to end Daylight time,
> plus a dashboard clock that's set manually.
>
> Thermostat, built-in intercom/radio, stove, microwave, replica antique
> clock, television monitor, wristwatches
>
> I think the rest are networked.

I have to do them all manually, and I usually forget one. I'll find it
in a day or two.