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 by: jmi...@gmail.com - Thu, 31 Mar 2022 17:39 UTC

Tired of ppl posting irrelevant right-wing propaganda on this mailing list

On Wednesday, March 30, 2022 at 5:52:34 PM UTC-4, Dave P. wrote:
> How Seattle Stepped Back From the Leftist Abyss
> By John Carlson, March 25, 2022, WSJ
>
> After six years of increasingly progressive governance,
> Seattle voters finally had enough. In November they elected
> Democrat Bruce Harrell, a moderate former City Council president,
> to be the city’s next mayor. Mr. Harrell’s more liberal opponent
> in the nonpartisan mayoral election had campaigned on preventing
> the city from clearing away Seattle’s drug-infested homeless
> encampments and cutting the city’s police budget by half.
>
> Harrell, on the other hand, pledged to make public safety a
> priority and to ensure that city spending on homeless programs
> followed firm rules for moving people “off of sidewalks and out
> of parks.” He pledged to restore civility to the city’s increasingly
> angry political discourse. “I never had to deviate from that message,”
> he told me in an interview this week.
>
> Harrell’s election wasn’t the only victory for common sense.
> Sara Nelson, a self-described “lifelong Democrat,” defeated
> Nikkita Oliver, a well-known radical activist, for a seat on the
> City Council. And in the race for city attorney, former public
> defender Nicole Thomas-Kennedy, who had vowed to stop prosecuting
> misdemeanors, lost to a Republican, Ann Davison, who promised to
> increase prosecution.
>
> All 3 of November’s winners were essentially out of Seattle politics
> only two years ago. Mr. Harrell’s political fortunes had stalled,
> and he declined to run for a fourth council term in 2019. Then a
> Democrat, Ms. Davison lost her 2019 bid for City Council by 20 points.
> She joined the “walk away” movement and switched parties, losing her
> 2020 bid for lieutenant governor. Ms. Nelson failed to win a Democratic
> primary for a council seat in 2017.
>
> So why the sudden rebound?
>
> Seattle’s local politics have traditionally been collegial. That
> spirit disappeared in the early 2010s as radicals began swarming
> into the City Council. Kshama Sawant, a member of the Socialist
> Alternative Party, pushed the council leftward with a confrontational
> style and ties to a network of outside pressure groups and Twitter mobs.
>
> When Mayor Jenny Durkan took office in 2018, there was hope that the
> former federal prosecutor could rein in the progressive council, but
> Ms. Sawant and Seattle’s angry left dismissed her as a “corporate
> Democrat.” Rather than search for common ground, Ms. Sawant sought
> conflict, even participating in a march on Ms. Durkan’s home.
>
> Seattle’s politics boiled over in 2020 after the murder of George Floyd.
> Nordstrom’s flagship store downtown was sacked and looted, along with
> 100 other businesses. Police cars were set ablaze. Protesters converged
> on the Seattle Police Department’s East Precinct building, demanding
> it be shut down. Day after day the crowd grew in size and intensity.
> Left-wing council members showed up to support the protesters, not the cops.
>
> The volatile crowd could easily have been diverted to a nearby park,
> but the city allowed the mob to control the streets, night after night,
> for 10 days. Ms. Durkan gave up, the precinct was shuttered and boarded,
> and the six-block, cop-free Capitol Hill Occupied Zone, or CHOP, was born..
> It was later re-christened CHAZ—the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone.
> Ms. Durkan publicly hoped it was the start of a “summer of love,” but
> instead of Woodstock, Seattle got Altamont. CHAZ was plagued by violence—
> assaults, robberies and shootings.
>
> All this misery begat even more extremism in 2021. Ms. Oliver’s City
> Council bid was built around a vow to defund the police. Ms. Thomas-
> Kennedy, the candidate for city prosecutor, expressed support for the
> idea of abolishing both the police department and the jail. On Christmas
> Eve 2020 she tweeted her wish that police officers would catch Covid.
>
> It was too much for Seattle voters. Harrell not only won the election,
> he won a mandate, trouncing M. Lorena González by 18 points. Ms. Nelson
> beat Ms. Oliver by 8 points. And Ms. Davison became the first Republican
> elected to any office in Seattle since the Reagan era.
>
> Seattle’s turnaround will take time. The city’s political culture
> has been wounded by decades of terrible public policy, and not just
> by the mayor and City Council. Judges are still letting armed drug
> dealers with long rap sheets out of jail on low or no bail.
>
> Harrell knows that the healing process will be slow. “My strategies
> have to be sustainable,” he says. He acknowledges the help he’ll need
> from the City Council and local prosecutors. His immediate goal is to
> hire more cops, which is also a priority for Ms. Nelson on the City
> Council. “I’m down 400,” said Mr. Harrell, a reference to the mass
> resignations and retirements of Seattle officers in recent years.
>
> Harrell’s other priority isn’t as concrete. He wants to bring back
> the upbeat, happy city he grew up in. “Seattle has gotten grumpy,”
> he says. The public’s mood “reflects the angry tone of politics in
> the last few years.” We need to realize, he says, “that most people
> share the same goals.”
>
> Seattle’s decline didn’t happen overnight and it won’t be solved
> overnight either. But the healing has begun.
>
> Mr. Carlson is morning host at 570 KVI in Seattle.
>
> https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-seattle-stepped-back-from-the-progressive-abyss-washington-police-homeless-law-11648236867

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 by: Travoltron - Thu, 31 Mar 2022 18:20 UTC

On 3/31/2022 10:39 AM, jmi...@gmail.com wrote:
> Tired of ppl posting irrelevant right-wing propaganda on this mailing list

Irrelevant? Probably. Propaganda? Fuck you. I live here. This is 100%
real. The PNW has become a dystopia. One political party should never
have absolute control. A balance is needed, and we lost that here in the
90s.

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As a Seattleite 2005-2009, I can affirm your comments as astute, Traveltron..

Watching from this opposite corner of the still-glorious Lower 48 all those various Seattle leftist shenanigans ever since the highly-unfortunate custody demise of St. George of Floyd (which also ended up indirectly KILLING that young allegedly-genderless woman named Summer Taylor during the Mayor's self-proclaimed Summer of Love 2020!), I think your analysis, Traveltron, is as astute as it is succinct. And I think by pinpointing the decline onset as the '90s is correctly gauging the timeline, even though in that decade I was still in Detroit and Chicago.

As you well surely well know, Seattle is a one-of-a-kind city, and I suppose even folks who have never beheld in person what is for my money the absolutely most mesmerizing structure on the planet--that would be The Space Needle--might feel some sadness for how The Emerald City has devolved---all the while being one of two ground zeros (along with the San Fran Bay Area) for the digital revolution which has so shaped this still-young century.

And oh, Sir/Madam Travelton, my ever-ravenous ego insists I inquire: did you ever catch any "Radioactive Seattle with Bryan Styble" broadcasts over KIRO/Seattle during 2005-2008, the commercial newstalk powerhouse station which in those days was still "propagating conversation at the speed of light" at 710 kHz on the AM band?

BRYAN STYBLE/Florida

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 by: Louis Epstein - Fri, 1 Apr 2022 08:54 UTC

radioacti...@gmail.com <radioactiveseattle@gmail.com> wrote:
> As a Seattleite 2005-2009, I can affirm your comments as astute, Traveltron.
>
> Watching from this opposite corner of the still-glorious Lower 48 all those various Seattle leftist shenanigans ever since the highly-unfortunate custody demise of St. George of Floyd (which also ended up indirectly KILLING that young allegedly-genderless woman named Summer Taylor during the Mayor's self-proclaimed Summer of Love 2020!), I think your analysis, Traveltron, is as astute as it is succinct. And I think by pinpointing the decline onset as the '90s is correctly gauging the timeline, even though in that decade I was still in Detroit and Chicago.
>
> As you well surely well know, Seattle is a one-of-a-kind city, and I suppose even folks who have never beheld in person what is for my money the absolutely most mesmerizing structure on the planet--that would be The Space Needle--might feel some sadness for how The Emerald City has devolved---all the while being one of two ground zeros (along with the San Fran Bay Area) for the digital revolution which has so shaped this still-young century.
>
> And oh, Sir/Madam Travelton, my ever-ravenous ego insists I inquire: did
> you ever catch any "Radioactive Seattle with Bryan Styble" broadcasts over
> KIRO/Seattle during 2005-2008, the commercial newstalk powerhouse station
> which in those days was still "propagating conversation at the speed of
> light" at 710 kHz on the AM band?

The frequency known in the NYC area for decades as home of WOR?

> BRYAN STYBLE/Florida

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at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

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 by: Louis Epstein - Fri, 1 Apr 2022 08:55 UTC

jmi...@gmail.com <jmilloy@gmail.com> wrote:
> Tired of ppl posting irrelevant right-wing propaganda on this mailing list

This is an altnet/netnews group properly propagated via NNTP.
Why do you call it a mailing list?
> On Wednesday, March 30, 2022 at 5:52:34 PM UTC-4, Dave P. wrote:
>> How Seattle Stepped Back From the Leftist Abyss
>> By John Carlson, March 25, 2022, WSJ
>>
>> After six years of increasingly progressive governance,
>> Seattle voters finally had enough. In November they elected
>> Democrat Bruce Harrell, a moderate former City Council president,
>> to be the city?s next mayor. Mr. Harrell?s more liberal opponent
>> in the nonpartisan mayoral election had campaigned on preventing
>> the city from clearing away Seattle?s drug-infested homeless
>> encampments and cutting the city?s police budget by half.
>>
>> Harrell, on the other hand, pledged to make public safety a
>> priority and to ensure that city spending on homeless programs
>> followed firm rules for moving people ?off of sidewalks and out
>> of parks.? He pledged to restore civility to the city?s increasingly
>> angry political discourse. ?I never had to deviate from that message,?
>> he told me in an interview this week.
>>
>> Harrell?s election wasn?t the only victory for common sense.
>> Sara Nelson, a self-described ?lifelong Democrat,? defeated
>> Nikkita Oliver, a well-known radical activist, for a seat on the
>> City Council. And in the race for city attorney, former public
>> defender Nicole Thomas-Kennedy, who had vowed to stop prosecuting
>> misdemeanors, lost to a Republican, Ann Davison, who promised to
>> increase prosecution.
>>
>> All 3 of November?s winners were essentially out of Seattle politics
>> only two years ago. Mr. Harrell?s political fortunes had stalled,
>> and he declined to run for a fourth council term in 2019. Then a
>> Democrat, Ms. Davison lost her 2019 bid for City Council by 20 points.
>> She joined the ?walk away? movement and switched parties, losing her
>> 2020 bid for lieutenant governor. Ms. Nelson failed to win a Democratic
>> primary for a council seat in 2017.
>>
>> So why the sudden rebound?
>>
>> Seattle?s local politics have traditionally been collegial. That
>> spirit disappeared in the early 2010s as radicals began swarming
>> into the City Council. Kshama Sawant, a member of the Socialist
>> Alternative Party, pushed the council leftward with a confrontational
>> style and ties to a network of outside pressure groups and Twitter mobs.
>>
>> When Mayor Jenny Durkan took office in 2018, there was hope that the
>> former federal prosecutor could rein in the progressive council, but
>> Ms. Sawant and Seattle?s angry left dismissed her as a ?corporate
>> Democrat.? Rather than search for common ground, Ms. Sawant sought
>> conflict, even participating in a march on Ms. Durkan?s home.
>>
>> Seattle?s politics boiled over in 2020 after the murder of George Floyd.
>> Nordstrom?s flagship store downtown was sacked and looted, along with
>> 100 other businesses. Police cars were set ablaze. Protesters converged
>> on the Seattle Police Department?s East Precinct building, demanding
>> it be shut down. Day after day the crowd grew in size and intensity.
>> Left-wing council members showed up to support the protesters, not the cops.
>>
>> The volatile crowd could easily have been diverted to a nearby park,
>> but the city allowed the mob to control the streets, night after night,
>> for 10 days. Ms. Durkan gave up, the precinct was shuttered and boarded,
>> and the six-block, cop-free Capitol Hill Occupied Zone, or CHOP, was born.
>> It was later re-christened CHAZ?the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone.
>> Ms. Durkan publicly hoped it was the start of a ?summer of love,? but
>> instead of Woodstock, Seattle got Altamont. CHAZ was plagued by violence?
>> assaults, robberies and shootings.
>>
>> All this misery begat even more extremism in 2021. Ms. Oliver?s City
>> Council bid was built around a vow to defund the police. Ms. Thomas-
>> Kennedy, the candidate for city prosecutor, expressed support for the
>> idea of abolishing both the police department and the jail. On Christmas
>> Eve 2020 she tweeted her wish that police officers would catch Covid.
>>
>> It was too much for Seattle voters. Harrell not only won the election,
>> he won a mandate, trouncing M. Lorena Gonz?lez by 18 points. Ms. Nelson
>> beat Ms. Oliver by 8 points. And Ms. Davison became the first Republican
>> elected to any office in Seattle since the Reagan era.
>>
>> Seattle?s turnaround will take time. The city?s political culture
>> has been wounded by decades of terrible public policy, and not just
>> by the mayor and City Council. Judges are still letting armed drug
>> dealers with long rap sheets out of jail on low or no bail.
>>
>> Harrell knows that the healing process will be slow. ?My strategies
>> have to be sustainable,? he says. He acknowledges the help he?ll need
>> from the City Council and local prosecutors. His immediate goal is to
>> hire more cops, which is also a priority for Ms. Nelson on the City
>> Council. ?I?m down 400,? said Mr. Harrell, a reference to the mass
>> resignations and retirements of Seattle officers in recent years.
>>
>> Harrell?s other priority isn?t as concrete. He wants to bring back
>> the upbeat, happy city he grew up in. ?Seattle has gotten grumpy,?
>> he says. The public?s mood ?reflects the angry tone of politics in
>> the last few years.? We need to realize, he says, ?that most people
>> share the same goals.?
>>
>> Seattle?s decline didn?t happen overnight and it won?t be solved
>> overnight either. But the healing has begun.
>>
>> Mr. Carlson is morning host at 570 KVI in Seattle.
>>
>> https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-seattle-stepped-back-from-the-progressive-abyss-washington-police-homeless-law-11648236867

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at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

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 by: Travoltron - Fri, 1 Apr 2022 17:57 UTC

On 3/31/2022 8:48 PM, radioacti...@gmail.com wrote:
> did you ever catch any "Radioactive Seattle with Bryan Styble" broadcasts over KIRO/Seattle during 2005-2008, the commercial newstalk powerhouse station which in those days was still "propagating conversation at the speed of light" at 710 kHz on the AM band?

Yeah, I used to listen to that talk radio station a lot at that time. I
think your show was on at a late hour, so I didn't get to catch it as
much as the others like Dori Monson and Lou Pate. But I remember you
would fill in for those other guys sometimes.

Were you there when Mike Webb got murdered? I'd love to know the full
story behind that.

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