novaBBS - alt.bible - Re: Our Awesome Universe

On 11/04/2024 11:19 am, Maximus wrote:
>
> https://auslink.info/video/universe2.mp4
>
> The Universe is truly amazing! So vast it's extremity can never be
> reached, even at the speed of light. To my mind, to claim it was created
> by some God is just fanciful nonsense. It just 'is' and always 'was'.

It is fanciful nonsense to think the universe is eternal. It is not
eternal; it is dying; entropy (that's science); you can't make a
perpetual motion machine; everything is decaying; temporalness produces
change; evolution cannot evolve its own evolution; you wouldn't even be
born and disappear from existence because you would be new; there is no
new in a universe that is eternal etc.

You can't have it both ways if you are sane.

You were told that if the universe were eternal, nothing would die
because it always was, is, and will be, and there wouldn't be a concept
of death; death wouldn't even be a fantasy; it just wouldn't exist.
There would only ever be life, eternal life.

Of course, you will reject all that because it doesn't suit your
superficial agenda. You are very 'sinner Christian,' Maxy;
self-constructed and self-worshiping (full of yourself and your own
creation).

Michael Christ

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30 I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

On 4/10/2024 10:04 PM, Michael Christ wrote:
> On 11/04/2024 11:19 am, Maximus wrote:
>>
>> https://auslink.info/video/universe2.mp4
>>
>> The Universe is truly amazing! So vast it's extremity can never be
>> reached, even at the speed of light. To my mind, to claim it was
>> created by some God is just fanciful nonsense. It just 'is' and always
>> 'was'.
>
> It is fanciful nonsense to think the universe is eternal. It is not
> eternal; it is dying; entropy (that's science); you can't make a
> perpetual motion machine; everything is decaying; temporalness produces
> change; evolution cannot evolve its own evolution; you wouldn't even be
> born and disappear from existence because you would be new; there is no
> new in a universe that is eternal etc.
>
> You can't have it both ways if you are sane.
>
> You were told that if the universe were eternal, nothing would die
> because it always was, is, and will be, and there wouldn't be a concept
> of death; death wouldn't even be a fantasy; it just wouldn't exist.
> There would only ever be life, eternal life.
>
> Of course, you will reject all that because it doesn't suit your
> superficial agenda. You are very 'sinner Christian,' Maxy;
> self-constructed and self-worshiping (full of yourself and your own
> creation).
>

Michael,

You can't even define entropy; if you think that you can (and, once upon
a time, I asked Andrew this question), state the SI units for entropy
*without* looking it up on the Internet! If you have a thermodynamics
book on your shelf or phone, then, you may look it up, but otherwise,
tell me here & now! And, no cheating!! (God, if He exists, will know
that you are cheating!)

Dawn

On Apr 10, 2024, Michael Christ wrote
(in article <uv7k05$1a327$6@dont-email.me>):

> On 11/04/2024 11:19 am, Maximus wrote:
> >
> > https://auslink.info/video/universe2.mp4
> >
> > The Universe is truly amazing! So vast it's extremity can never be
> > reached, even at the speed of light. To my mind, to claim it was created
> > by some God is just fanciful nonsense. It just 'is' and always 'was’.

The speed of light in not the fastest thing around.
The universe you see was created for mankind. You live on its plain. A
“natural plain”.

There is a reason why people speak of the super natural. A plain far above
that of this natural world.
The vision of men, self-constructed, can only relate to what is familiar and
comfortable to them. Such is the limitation of this life.

There is another dimension, one that is spiritual. That plain has none of the
limitations you have grown accustomed to.

Robert wrote:
> On Apr 10, 2024, Michael Christ wrote
> (in article <uv7k05$1a327$6@dont-email.me>):
>
>> On 11/04/2024 11:19 am, Maximus wrote:
>>> https://auslink.info/video/universe2.mp4
>>>
>>> The Universe is truly amazing! So vast it's extremity can never be
>>> reached, even at the speed of light. To my mind, to claim it was created
>>> by some God is just fanciful nonsense. It just 'is' and always 'was’.
> The speed of light in not the fastest thing around.
> The universe you see was created for mankind. You live on its plain. A
> “natural plain”.
>
> There is a reason why people speak of the super natural. A plain far above
> that of this natural world.
> The vision of men, self-constructed, can only relate to what is familiar and
> comfortable to them. Such is the limitation of this life.
>
> There is another dimension, one that is spiritual. That plain has none of the
> limitations you have grown accustomed to.
>

that would be 'plane' not 'plain'

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs cannot withstand reason, fact, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

On Apr 10, 2024, Maximus wrote
(in article <l7pbeeF6i5lU2@mid.individual.net>):

> Robert wrote:
> > On Apr 10, 2024, Michael Christ wrote
> > (in article <uv7k05$1a327$6@dont-email.me>):
> >
> > > On 11/04/2024 11:19 am, Maximus wrote:
> > > > https://auslink.info/video/universe2.mp4
> > > >
> > > > The Universe is truly amazing! So vast it's extremity can never be
> > > > reached, even at the speed of light. To my mind, to claim it was created
> > > > by some God is just fanciful nonsense. It just 'is' and always 'was’.
> > The speed of light in not the fastest thing around.
> > The universe you see was created for mankind. You live on its plain. A
> > “natural plain”.
> >
> > There is a reason why people speak of the super natural. A plain far above
> > that of this natural world.
> > The vision of men, self-constructed, can only relate to what is familiar and
> > comfortable to them. Such is the limitation of this life.
> >
> > There is another dimension, one that is spiritual. That plain has none of
> > the
> > limitations you have grown accustomed to.
>
> that would be 'plane' not ‘plain’

plain 2 of 5 noun (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/noun)

1 a: an extensive area of level or rolling treeless country

b : a broad unbroken expanse

2 : something free from artifice, ornament, or extraneous matter

You say tomatooooo I say tomataaaaa ;)

Robert wrote:

> On Apr 10, 2024, Maximus wrote
> (in article <l7pbeeF6i5lU2@mid.individual.net>):
>
> > Robert wrote:
> > > On Apr 10, 2024, Michael Christ wrote
> > > (in article <uv7k05$1a327$6@dont-email.me>):
> > >
> > > > On 11/04/2024 11:19 am, Maximus wrote:
> > > > > https://auslink.info/video/universe2.mp4
> > > > >
> > > > > The Universe is truly amazing! So vast it's extremity can
> > > > > never be reached, even at the speed of light. To my mind, to
> > > > > claim it was created by some God is just fanciful nonsense.
> > > > > It just 'is' and always 'was’.

> > > The speed of light in not the fastest thing around.
> > > The universe you see was created for mankind. You live on its
> > > plain. A “natural plain”.
> > >
> > > There is a reason why people speak of the super natural. A plain
> > > far above that of this natural world.
> > > The vision of men, self-constructed, can only relate to what is
> > > familiar and comfortable to them. Such is the limitation of this
> > > life.
> > >
> > > There is another dimension, one that is spiritual. That plain has
> > > none of the
> > > limitations you have grown accustomed to.

> >
> > that would be 'plane' not ‘plain’

>
> plain 2 of 5 noun (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/noun)
>
> 1 a: an extensive area of level or rolling treeless country
>
> b : a broad unbroken expanse
>
> 2 : something free from artifice, ornament, or extraneous matter
>
> You say tomatooooo I say tomataaaaa ;)

LOL! Not really, but nice try, Robert. I'd let you have it.

Since you mentioned light speed, you might be interested to know that
quantum tunnelling is superluminal. Also, you might want to look up
Bell's Theorem. Nothing in it about spirits, though.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-universe-is-not-locally-real-and-the-physics-nobel-prize-winners-proved-it/

On 11/04/2024 1:13 pm, Dawn Flood wrote:
> On 4/10/2024 10:04 PM, Michael Christ wrote:
>> On 11/04/2024 11:19 am, Maximus wrote:
>>>
>>> https://auslink.info/video/universe2.mp4
>>>
>>> The Universe is truly amazing! So vast it's extremity can never be
>>> reached, even at the speed of light. To my mind, to claim it was
>>> created by some God is just fanciful nonsense. It just 'is' and
>>> always 'was'.

Michael Christ wrote:
>> It is fanciful nonsense to think the universe is eternal. It is not
>> eternal; it is dying; entropy (that's science); you can't make a
>> perpetual motion machine; everything is decaying; temporalness
>> produces change; evolution cannot evolve its own evolution; you
>> wouldn't even be born and disappear from existence because you would
>> be new; there is no new in a universe that is eternal etc.
>>
>> You can't have it both ways if you are sane.
>>
>> You were told that if the universe were eternal, nothing would die
>> because it always was, is, and will be, and there wouldn't be a
>> concept of death; death wouldn't even be a fantasy; it just wouldn't
>> exist. There would only ever be life, eternal life.
>>
>> Of course, you will reject all that because it doesn't suit your
>> superficial agenda. You are very 'sinner Christian,' Maxy;
>> self-constructed and self-worshiping (full of yourself and your own
>> creation).

Dawn wrote:
> Michael,
>
> You can't even define entropy; if you think that you can (and, once upon
> a time, I asked Andrew this question), state the SI units for entropy
> *without* looking it up on the Internet! If you have a thermodynamics
> book on your shelf or phone, then, you may look it up, but otherwise,
> tell me here & now! And, no cheating!! (God, if He exists, will know
> that you are cheating!)
>
> Dawn

Swap "entropy" for aging leading to completely stuffed.

So, you strain at a gnat (entropy) and swallow a non-eternal universe
(everything else I said).

Typical.

We have already been through it, Dawn. I am not going through it again.
Now, build me an eternal/perpetual motion machine or move along please.