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https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/lifestyle/general_lifestyle/may_2023/americans_trust_guns_not_government

"Most gun owners say they feel safer with a firearm in the house, and don’t think the government can be trusted to enforce gun control laws fairly.

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that just 29% of American Adults trust the government to fairly enforce gun control laws, while 57% don’t, and another 14% are not sure. In May 2019, only 18% trusted the government to enforce gun control laws fairly. (To see survey question wording, click here.)
....
The survey of 1,204 American Adults was conducted on April 30-May 2, 2023 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research."

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 by: ltlee1 - Mon, 8 May 2023 12:37 UTC

On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 4:21:57 PM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/lifestyle/general_lifestyle/may_2023/americans_trust_guns_not_government
>
> "Most gun owners say they feel safer with a firearm in the house, and don’t think the government can be trusted to enforce gun control laws fairly.
>
> The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that just 29% of American Adults trust the government to fairly enforce gun control laws, while 57% don’t, and another 14% are not sure. In May 2019, only 18% trusted the government to enforce gun control laws fairly. (To see survey question wording, click here.)
> ...
> The survey of 1,204 American Adults was conducted on April 30-May 2, 2023 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research."

"Most gun owners say they feel safer with a firearm in the house, and don’t think the government can be trusted to enforce gun control laws fairly. "
The obvious question one has to ask is: Has gun violence in the us reached a point of no return?
That is, more people would prefer to have firearm in the house. And Ceteris paribus, more gun violence.

The broader question: When will the US become ungovernable?

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 by: stoney - Thu, 11 May 2023 08:58 UTC

On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 12:21:57 AM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/lifestyle/general_lifestyle/may_2023/americans_trust_guns_not_government
>
> "Most gun owners say they feel safer with a firearm in the house, and don’t think the government can be trusted to enforce gun control laws fairly.
>
> The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that just 29% of American Adults trust the government to fairly enforce gun control laws, while 57% don’t, and another 14% are not sure. In May 2019, only 18% trusted the government to enforce gun control laws fairly. (To see survey question wording, click here.)
> ...
> The survey of 1,204 American Adults was conducted on April 30-May 2, 2023 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research."

Trust of 29% can only grow when the law on gun control is enforced. At this point, 29%, it is natural for people to be pessimistic and not optimistic yet. Trust can only be increased when you employed and changed people who can be transparent, and honest to their unbiased ways of improved process and procedure from feedback of the people..

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 by: ltlee1 - Thu, 11 May 2023 11:23 UTC

On Thursday, May 11, 2023 at 8:59:01 AM UTC, stoney wrote:
> On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 12:21:57 AM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/lifestyle/general_lifestyle/may_2023/americans_trust_guns_not_government
> >
> > "Most gun owners say they feel safer with a firearm in the house, and don’t think the government can be trusted to enforce gun control laws fairly.
> >
> > The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that just 29% of American Adults trust the government to fairly enforce gun control laws, while 57% don’t, and another 14% are not sure. In May 2019, only 18% trusted the government to enforce gun control laws fairly.. (To see survey question wording, click here.)
> > ...
> > The survey of 1,204 American Adults was conducted on April 30-May 2, 2023 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research."
> Trust of 29% can only grow when the law on gun control is enforced. At this point, 29%, it is natural for people to be pessimistic and not optimistic yet. Trust can only be increased when you employed and changed people who can be transparent, and honest to their unbiased ways of improved process and procedure from feedback of the people..

This is indeed the hope per articles like "The Gun Lobby Appears Invincible.. It Isn’t" in which various authors have blamed the gun lobby and the sick beauty of the gun lobby.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/05/10/america-s-gun-lobby-appears-invincible-it-isn-t/e8ef8068-ef28-11ed-b67d-a219ec5dfd30_story.html

"It’s easy to believe nothing has changed. It’s easy to believe that nothing even can change given the grip of gun culture on the US Supreme Court and the Republican Party. Republican politicians coast to coast have put themselves wholly at the service of the gun industry and the gun fanatics who enrich it. And the Supreme Court’s conservative majority has codified gun obsession with ever more tendentious opinions that shatter not only precedent and reason, but a good many human bodies, too.

Yet as we sort through last weekend’s gun massacre in Texas, and await the next gun massacre elsewhere, while taking in stride the gun murders, suicides and shootings too routine to merit public attention, it’s worth noting that the political landscape is far from static. The politics of gun violence are different today than they were a few years ago, both for better and for worse. It’s hard to imagine, for example, any Democratic senator voting, as four did just one decade ago, against a proposal for expanded background checks. It’s even harder to imagine such a vote in the wake of a massacre of children.
....
Gun violence is complicated. But our current mayhem is partly a result of the gun lobby getting its wish — a nation awash in guns, with red states providing virtually any violent, unhinged man with ready access to lethal arsenals.
....
The sick beauty of the gun industry’s business model is that it’s self-perpetuating. Gunmakers sell guns, which lead to more gun violence, which increases fear, which encourages people to buy more guns, which leads to more gun violence. If lawmakers don’t intervene, you can keep that cycle spinning for a long time before you bleed out a nation of 330 million.
....
With every massacre, guns are becoming a more defining issue. Either the US will institutionalize fear, turning public spaces into state garrisons to counter the threat from armed and dangerous men, or the US will bolster freedom by curtailing the forces of gun violence and intimidation. Something’s got to give: The status quo is increasingly untenable."

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 by: ltlee1 - Fri, 12 May 2023 12:50 UTC

On Thursday, May 11, 2023 at 11:23:48 AM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Thursday, May 11, 2023 at 8:59:01 AM UTC, stoney wrote:
> > On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 12:21:57 AM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/lifestyle/general_lifestyle/may_2023/americans_trust_guns_not_government
> > >
> > > "Most gun owners say they feel safer with a firearm in the house, and don’t think the government can be trusted to enforce gun control laws fairly.
> > >
> > > The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that just 29% of American Adults trust the government to fairly enforce gun control laws, while 57% don’t, and another 14% are not sure. In May 2019, only 18% trusted the government to enforce gun control laws fairly. (To see survey question wording, click here.)
> > > ...
> > > The survey of 1,204 American Adults was conducted on April 30-May 2, 2023 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research."
> > Trust of 29% can only grow when the law on gun control is enforced. At this point, 29%, it is natural for people to be pessimistic and not optimistic yet. Trust can only be increased when you employed and changed people who can be transparent, and honest to their unbiased ways of improved process and procedure from feedback of the people..
> This is indeed the hope per articles like "The Gun Lobby Appears Invincible. It Isn’t" in which various authors have blamed the gun lobby and the sick beauty of the gun lobby.
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/05/10/america-s-gun-lobby-appears-invincible-it-isn-t/e8ef8068-ef28-11ed-b67d-a219ec5dfd30_story.html
>
> "It’s easy to believe nothing has changed. It’s easy to believe that nothing even can change given the grip of gun culture on the US Supreme Court and the Republican Party. Republican politicians coast to coast have put themselves wholly at the service of the gun industry and the gun fanatics who enrich it. And the Supreme Court’s conservative majority has codified gun obsession with ever more tendentious opinions that shatter not only precedent and reason, but a good many human bodies, too.
>
> Yet as we sort through last weekend’s gun massacre in Texas, and await the next gun massacre elsewhere, while taking in stride the gun murders, suicides and shootings too routine to merit public attention, it’s worth noting that the political landscape is far from static. The politics of gun violence are different today than they were a few years ago, both for better and for worse. It’s hard to imagine, for example, any Democratic senator voting, as four did just one decade ago, against a proposal for expanded background checks. It’s even harder to imagine such a vote in the wake of a massacre of children.
> ...
> Gun violence is complicated. But our current mayhem is partly a result of the gun lobby getting its wish — a nation awash in guns, with red states providing virtually any violent, unhinged man with ready access to lethal arsenals.
> ...
> The sick beauty of the gun industry’s business model is that it’s self-perpetuating. Gunmakers sell guns, which lead to more gun violence, which increases fear, which encourages people to buy more guns, which leads to more gun violence. If lawmakers don’t intervene, you can keep that cycle spinning for a long time before you bleed out a nation of 330 million.
> ...
> With every massacre, guns are becoming a more defining issue. Either the US will institutionalize fear, turning public spaces into state garrisons to counter the threat from armed and dangerous men, or the US will bolster freedom by curtailing the forces of gun violence and intimidation. Something’s got to give: The status quo is increasingly untenable."

Can the US really solve its gun/gun violence problem?
Realistically speaking, questions concerning the invincibility of the gun lobby and the sick beauty of the gun industry
go back to the US government, US democracy, and the people have little on the US authority well beyond gun issues.

My take: Survey results will fluctuate. However, the gun/gun violence cannot be resolved until Americans trust the
government one lot more.

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 by: ltlee1 - Fri, 26 May 2023 21:02 UTC

On Friday, May 12, 2023 at 8:50:11 AM UTC-4, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Thursday, May 11, 2023 at 11:23:48 AM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> > On Thursday, May 11, 2023 at 8:59:01 AM UTC, stoney wrote:
> > > On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 12:21:57 AM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/lifestyle/general_lifestyle/may_2023/americans_trust_guns_not_government
> > > >
> > > > "Most gun owners say they feel safer with a firearm in the house, and don’t think the government can be trusted to enforce gun control laws fairly.
> > > >
> > > > The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that just 29% of American Adults trust the government to fairly enforce gun control laws, while 57% don’t, and another 14% are not sure. In May 2019, only 18% trusted the government to enforce gun control laws fairly. (To see survey question wording, click here.)
> > > > ...
> > > > The survey of 1,204 American Adults was conducted on April 30-May 2, 2023 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research."
> > > Trust of 29% can only grow when the law on gun control is enforced. At this point, 29%, it is natural for people to be pessimistic and not optimistic yet. Trust can only be increased when you employed and changed people who can be transparent, and honest to their unbiased ways of improved process and procedure from feedback of the people..
> > This is indeed the hope per articles like "The Gun Lobby Appears Invincible. It Isn’t" in which various authors have blamed the gun lobby and the sick beauty of the gun lobby.
> > https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/05/10/america-s-gun-lobby-appears-invincible-it-isn-t/e8ef8068-ef28-11ed-b67d-a219ec5dfd30_story.html
> >
> > "It’s easy to believe nothing has changed. It’s easy to believe that nothing even can change given the grip of gun culture on the US Supreme Court and the Republican Party. Republican politicians coast to coast have put themselves wholly at the service of the gun industry and the gun fanatics who enrich it. And the Supreme Court’s conservative majority has codified gun obsession with ever more tendentious opinions that shatter not only precedent and reason, but a good many human bodies, too.
> >
> > Yet as we sort through last weekend’s gun massacre in Texas, and await the next gun massacre elsewhere, while taking in stride the gun murders, suicides and shootings too routine to merit public attention, it’s worth noting that the political landscape is far from static. The politics of gun violence are different today than they were a few years ago, both for better and for worse. It’s hard to imagine, for example, any Democratic senator voting, as four did just one decade ago, against a proposal for expanded background checks. It’s even harder to imagine such a vote in the wake of a massacre of children.
> > ...
> > Gun violence is complicated. But our current mayhem is partly a result of the gun lobby getting its wish — a nation awash in guns, with red states providing virtually any violent, unhinged man with ready access to lethal arsenals.
> > ...
> > The sick beauty of the gun industry’s business model is that it’s self-perpetuating. Gunmakers sell guns, which lead to more gun violence, which increases fear, which encourages people to buy more guns, which leads to more gun violence. If lawmakers don’t intervene, you can keep that cycle spinning for a long time before you bleed out a nation of 330 million.
> > ...
> > With every massacre, guns are becoming a more defining issue. Either the US will institutionalize fear, turning public spaces into state garrisons to counter the threat from armed and dangerous men, or the US will bolster freedom by curtailing the forces of gun violence and intimidation. Something’s got to give: The status quo is increasingly untenable."
> Can the US really solve its gun/gun violence problem?
> Realistically speaking, questions concerning the invincibility of the gun lobby and the sick beauty of the gun industry
> go back to the US government, US democracy, and the people have little on the US authority well beyond gun issues.
>
> My take: Survey results will fluctuate. However, the gun/gun violence cannot be resolved until Americans trust the
> government one lot more.

US citizens don't trust the US government. They don't think the US government can keep them safe. Similarly, other
countries don't think the US government could keep their citizens safe. Here is the beginning:

"New Zealand, which along with Iceland shares the top two slots in the 2022 Global Peace Index, Australia, Canada,
Britain, France, Venezuela and Uruguay have all issued advisories warning their citizens about gun violence when
traveling to the US.

They all allude to the prevalence of gun ownership – and the absence of controls – blamed for the 200-plus mass
shootings so far this year in which four or more victims have been killed or wounded, excluding the shooter.

Australia tells its nationals that gun crime is possible anywhere in the US and advises those living there to learn
active shooter drills. “There is always a risk of being in the wrong place at the wrong time,” the advisory says.

That’s Canada’s line too, reminding citizens that “frequent mass shootings occur, resulting most often in casualties.”
Britain says “violent crime, including gun crime, rarely involves tourists, but you should take care walking in unfamiliar
areas.”

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