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 by: Tiglath - Mon, 19 Jul 2021 03:29 UTC

Yep folks, The Arizona Audit has revealed discrepancies.

Cyber-Ninjas chief found 74K ballots that were not requested. Hmmm.

Of course the discrepancy was instantly explained by those who actually now the Arizona voting system. Election officials mocked Cyber-Ninjas' glaring omissions in faulted their analysis.

Tammy Patrick, an elections expert who spent more than a decade working at Maricopa County's elections department said: "They don't know what they are looking at."

You cannot audit what you can't understand.

And they appear as empty handed of credible evidence of fraud as Giuliani was in court.

No Kraken to see here either, folks.

Indeed. The audit has been over for days. Do you think that if they had uncovered any fraud they would be this slow to tell us? They are trying to see what they can twist into some kind of ammo for the consumer of this exercise: The Unvaccinated and their leader.

Experts have made clear that 'auditors' simply don't not understand the data.

Of course they don't, though could with some training, because election mechanics is not rocket science.They are just playing dumb. It doesn't matter if their misconceptions and arguments get debunked, they run the clock and sustain doubt among the Unvaccinated.

Remember the Unvaccinated listen only to voices they agree with, so they will run with any suspicion and concern the Cyber-Ninjas come up with it and will never hear the rebuttals. Cyber-Ninjas, we see, are well prepared to tell lies and incorrect conclusions to justify their fees. I must never be like Al Capone's safe. Empty. They have to whip up some fill for Covid-leaking Trumpites to take readily as the absolute truth.

This constant lying, which has turned into the fashion, can't possibly lead to a happy ending. How much more mileage can Republicans get from the Big Lie, they think?

To keep inflated this leaky balloon of a lie, they need new plot twists and turns, or the indignation about the supposedly stolen election will die down.

Let's see the damn audit report and let the Maricopa County's elections department put it through the wringer.

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 by: SolomonW - Mon, 19 Jul 2021 08:50 UTC

On Sun, 18 Jul 2021 20:29:59 -0700 (PDT), Tiglath wrote:

> Remember the Unvaccinated listen only to voices they agree with

Yhis is not just true of these people but an unfortuante fact for
everyone.This is not just true of these people but an unfortunate fact for
everyone. When is the last time you listened to a voice you disagreed with?

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 by: Tiglath - Mon, 19 Jul 2021 19:31 UTC

On Monday, July 19, 2021 at 4:52:27 AM UTC-4, SolomonW wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Jul 2021 20:29:59 -0700 (PDT), Tiglath wrote:
>
> > Remember the Unvaccinated listen only to voices they agree with
> Yhis is not just true of these people but an unfortuante fact for
> everyone. This is not just true of these people but an unfortunate fact for
> everyone.

You can say that again.

> When is the last time you listened to a voice you disagreed with?

Here and now.

Pigs eat shit, so imagine what they vomit. See above.

PIGVOMIT is drinking and posting again...

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 by: a425couple - Mon, 19 Jul 2021 20:30 UTC

On 7/19/2021 1:50 AM, SolomonW wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Jul 2021 20:29:59 -0700 (PDT), Tiglath wrote:
>
>> Remember the Unvaccinated listen only to voices they agree with
>
> Yhis is not just true of these people but an unfortuante fact for
> everyone.This is not just true of these people but an unfortunate fact for
> everyone. When is the last time you listened to a voice you disagreed with?
>
No way.
Tiglath totally ignores those he does not agree with.

But then, jerks and assholes are frequently like that.

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 by: Peter Jason - Mon, 19 Jul 2021 21:29 UTC

On Sun, 18 Jul 2021 20:29:59 -0700 (PDT), Tiglath <temp6@tiglath.net>
wrote:

>Yep folks, The Arizona Audit has revealed discrepancies.

America has so many guns it can't help shooting itself in the foot.

Your election system is so stuffed it invites contention right up to
the next ballot, and then the brawling starts up all over again!

You are heavily computerized, you have Social Security cards with
unique numbers, so why not electronic balloting?

Fer Chrissake!

Jeeeezuz!

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 by: Tiglath - Thu, 22 Jul 2021 04:04 UTC

On Monday, July 19, 2021 at 5:29:53 PM UTC-4, Peter Jason wrote:

> You are heavily computerized, you have Social Security cards with
> unique numbers, so why not electronic balloting?
>
> Fer Chrissake!

You've gotta be joking.

In the Hacking Age, Jason recommends we ask the people to trust online voting...

If bad loser presidents can throw doubt on manual systems and manual recounts as easily as we see Trump do it, can you imagine the charges that would fly around claiming massive election hack to.... steal the election, if there were no backup paper ballots? It would be impossible to disprove with no manual recount available for audit.

Are you aware that repeated manual recounts do not convince these election deniers? Fuck them, but at least people genuinely wanting to verify the count can be satisfied that physical ballots are sufficient evidence, after several official recounts, to know what to believe.

The last US election was the safest ever, they've checked many times. The system is imperfect but makes it very difficult pull off massive fraud, because elections are not centralized, as online voting would be.

Online voting is not a problem if you use multi-factor authentication, but that is not the point. It would make it ideal for Trump-like losing candidates to mount disruptive bad loser campaigns, as we see Trump do now with his Big Lie.

You suggestion may well make sense a few decades but not today's days of civil cold war.

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 by: Eric Stevens - Thu, 22 Jul 2021 04:21 UTC

On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 21:04:22 -0700 (PDT), Tiglath <temp6@tiglath.net>
wrote:

>On Monday, July 19, 2021 at 5:29:53 PM UTC-4, Peter Jason wrote:
>
>
>
>> You are heavily computerized, you have Social Security cards with
>> unique numbers, so why not electronic balloting?
>>
>> Fer Chrissake!
>
>You've gotta be joking.
>
>In the Hacking Age, Jason recommends we ask the people to trust online voting...

Using you social security card is not the same thing as electronic
voting.
>
>If bad loser presidents can throw doubt on manual systems and manual recounts as easily as we see Trump do it, can you imagine the charges that would fly around claiming massive election hack to.... steal the election, if there were no backup paper ballots? It would be impossible to disprove with no manual recount available for audit.
>
>Are you aware that repeated manual recounts do not convince these election deniers? Fuck them, but at least people genuinely wanting to verify the count can be satisfied that physical ballots are sufficient evidence, after several official recounts, to know what to believe.
>
All the manual counts did was confirm that the nuber of fake votes had
been counted accurately the first time.

>The last US election was the safest ever, they've checked many times. The system is imperfect but makes it very difficult pull off massive fraud, because elections are not centralized, as online voting would be.
>
Ultimately the recent elections were electronically centralized.

>Online voting is not a problem if you use multi-factor authentication, but that is not the point. It would make it ideal for Trump-like losing candidates to mount disruptive bad loser campaigns, as we see Trump do now with his Big Lie.

Trump has been complaining about fake paper votes, unqualified paper
votes, arithmetical fudging inside the electronic vote counting
machines, the wholesale electronic dumping of fake votes into the
system at the last minute. Online voting would prevent only some of
these.

>You suggestion may well make sense a few decades but not today's days of civil cold war.

It doesn't make sense in today's civil war only if you want one side
to be favoured more than the other.
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

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 by: Peter Jason - Thu, 22 Jul 2021 21:45 UTC

On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 21:04:22 -0700 (PDT), Tiglath <temp6@tiglath.net>
wrote:

>On Monday, July 19, 2021 at 5:29:53 PM UTC-4, Peter Jason wrote:
>
>
>
>> You are heavily computerized, you have Social Security cards with
>> unique numbers, so why not electronic balloting?
>>
>> Fer Chrissake!
>
>You've gotta be joking.

You know me better than that! Tsk! Tsk!
>
>In the Hacking Age, Jason recommends we ask the people to trust online voting...

Curious. The Great Unwashed trust their mobile iGadgets for banking &
ID. Why not voting? I've heard these necessity-generating gizmos
have fingerprint & eye scanners, heart-beat & voice recognition and
similar gunk to numerous to mention.
>
>If bad loser presidents can throw doubt on manual systems and manual recounts as easily as we see Trump do it, can you imagine the charges that would fly around claiming massive election hack to.... steal the election, if there were no backup paper ballots? It would be impossible to disprove with no manual recount available for audit.

Nay, the politicians of both persuasions believe they have the system
rigged (they have) and are concerned about the scrutinizers & other
hangers-on losing they 4-yearly sinecures.
>
>Are you aware that repeated manual recounts do not convince these election deniers? Fuck them, but at least people genuinely wanting to verify the count can be satisfied that physical ballots are sufficient evidence, after several official recounts, to know what to believe.

Of course, had there been no Keynesians in the 1990s, there would be
no deniers. Even Clinton-the-randy believed "it's the economy".
Sleepy Joe has dropped a trillion into the morass in a vain attempt to
"stimulate spending" (on all that Chinese junk) even though dropping
interest rates over the past 15 years has had no such effect.

>The last US election was the safest ever, they've checked many times. The system is imperfect but makes it very difficult pull off massive fraud, because elections are not centralized, as online voting would be.
>
>Online voting is not a problem if you use multi-factor authentication, but that is not the point. It would make it ideal for Trump-like losing candidates to mount disruptive bad loser campaigns, as we see Trump do now with his Big Lie.
>
>You suggestion may well make sense a few decades but not today's days of civil cold war.

It's all the fault of Alan Greenspan, who will die in his bed instead
of on the gallows. Why not give every citizen his own printing press
to print dollars and so create his own stimulus!

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