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On Monday, July 26, 2021 at 7:47:19 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-coming-of-neo-feudalism-joel-kotkin/1132542627

(Recent Youtube upload):

Joel Kotkin | Elites: The New Ruling Class?

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On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 19:47:17 -0700 (PDT), gggg gggg
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>https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-coming-of-neo-feudalism-joel-kotkin/1132542627

Yes, it's coming. The utter failure of democracy cries out for a
remedy. Severe examples are the French & Russian & Chinese
revolutions which in the long run hardly bettered the old regimes.
That is, would the world be worse off today under the Bourbons,
Romanovs & all those Emperors? Hardly. The rise of technology has
improved the lot of the common man and revolutionaries had nothing to
do with it.
Yes, there is a ruling class, skilled by experience & epigenetics, and
yes, all people are not created equal.

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On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 19:47:17 -0700 (PDT), gggg gggg wrote:

> https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-coming-of-neo-feudalism-joel-kotkin/1132542627

Serfdom in France was fairly rare in this period.

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> Peter Jason
> > gggg gggg
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> Yes, it's coming.

It's already here. Jeff Bezos, Lord of Amazon Manor makes $2500 PER SECOND
while his employees piss in pop bottles because they're not allowed to leave their
work area and now the Western corporate-government nobility are pushing to
implement modern Chinese style techno-fascism.

https://i.postimg.cc/Y09TTpBS/Bezos.png

https://i.postimg.cc/qB5FzHd8/China-s-Social-Credit-System.jpg

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On Wed, 28 Jul 2021 14:05:57 -0700 (PDT), Ed Stasiak wrote:

>> Peter Jason
>>> gggg gggg
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>> Yes, it's coming.
>
> It's already here. Jeff Bezos, Lord of Amazon Manor makes $2500 PER SECOND

Amazon has 798,000 employees that if spread around its not a lot of money.

> while his employees piss in pop bottles because they're not allowed to leave their
> work area

Would they even have those jobs if not for Jeff Bezos?

> and now the Western corporate-government nobility are pushing to
> implement modern Chinese style techno-fascism.

You can include the university and education system in this mix too.

>
> https://i.postimg.cc/Y09TTpBS/Bezos.png
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> https://i.postimg.cc/qB5FzHd8/China-s-Social-Credit-System.jpg

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On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 2:05:59 PM UTC-7, Ed Stasiak wrote:
> > Peter Jason
> > > gggg gggg
> > >
> > > https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-coming-of-neo-feudalism-joel-kotkin/1132542627
> >
> > Yes, it's coming.
> It's already here. Jeff Bezos, Lord of Amazon Manor makes $2500 PER SECOND
> while his employees piss in pop bottles because they're not allowed to leave their
> work area and now the Western corporate-government nobility are pushing to
> implement modern Chinese style techno-fascism.
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/Y09TTpBS/Bezos.png
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/qB5FzHd8/China-s-Social-Credit-System.jpg

Concerning "Chinese style techno-fascism, the 2020 book "The Age of Surveillance Capitalism: The Fight for a Human Future at the New Frontier of Power" may be of interest:

https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-age-of-surveillance-capitalism-shoshana-zuboff/1127581387?ean=9781541758001

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On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 2:05:59 PM UTC-7, Ed Stasiak wrote:
> > Peter Jason
> > > gggg gggg
> > >
> > > https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-coming-of-neo-feudalism-joel-kotkin/1132542627
> >
> > Yes, it's coming.
> It's already here. Jeff Bezos, Lord of Amazon Manor makes $2500 PER SECOND
> while his employees piss in pop bottles because they're not allowed to leave their
> work area and now the Western corporate-government nobility are pushing to
> implement modern Chinese style techno-fascism.
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/Y09TTpBS/Bezos.png
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/qB5FzHd8/China-s-Social-Credit-System.jpg

https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-perfect-police-state-geoffrey-cain/1137602676?ean=9781541757035

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On Wed, 28 Jul 2021 22:13:18 -0700 (PDT), gggg gggg wrote:

> On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 2:05:59 PM UTC-7, Ed Stasiak wrote:
>>> Peter Jason
>>> > gggg gggg
>>> >
>>> > https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-coming-of-neo-feudalism-joel-kotkin/1132542627
>>>
>>> Yes, it's coming.
>> It's already here. Jeff Bezos, Lord of Amazon Manor makes $2500 PER SECOND
>> while his employees piss in pop bottles because they're not allowed to leave their
>> work area and now the Western corporate-government nobility are pushing to
>> implement modern Chinese style techno-fascism.
>>
>> https://i.postimg.cc/Y09TTpBS/Bezos.png
>>
>> https://i.postimg.cc/qB5FzHd8/China-s-Social-Credit-System.jpg
>
> Concerning "Chinese style techno-fascism, the 2020 book "The Age of Surveillance Capitalism: The Fight for a Human Future at the New Frontier of Power" may be of interest:
>
> https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-age-of-surveillance-capitalism-shoshana-zuboff/1127581387?ean=9781541758001

Get over it, the days of privacy are long gone.

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On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 11:49:34 PM UTC-7, SolomonW wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Jul 2021 22:13:18 -0700 (PDT), gggg gggg wrote:
>
> > On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 2:05:59 PM UTC-7, Ed Stasiak wrote:
> >>> Peter Jason
> >>> > gggg gggg
> >>> >
> >>> > https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-coming-of-neo-feudalism-joel-kotkin/1132542627
> >>>
> >>> Yes, it's coming.
> >> It's already here. Jeff Bezos, Lord of Amazon Manor makes $2500 PER SECOND
> >> while his employees piss in pop bottles because they're not allowed to leave their
> >> work area and now the Western corporate-government nobility are pushing to
> >> implement modern Chinese style techno-fascism.
> >>
> >> https://i.postimg.cc/Y09TTpBS/Bezos.png
> >>
> >> https://i.postimg.cc/qB5FzHd8/China-s-Social-Credit-System.jpg
> >
> > Concerning "Chinese style techno-fascism, the 2020 book "The Age of Surveillance Capitalism: The Fight for a Human Future at the New Frontier of Power" may be of interest:
> >
> > https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-age-of-surveillance-capitalism-shoshana-zuboff/1127581387?ean=9781541758001
> Get over it, the days of privacy are long gone.

Orwell and privacy in the news:

https://news.google.com/search?q=orwell%20privacy&hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen

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> SolomonW
> > Ed Stasiak
> >
> > It's already here. Jeff Bezos, Lord of Amazon Manor makes $2500 PER SECOND
>
> Amazon has 798,000 employees that if spread around its not a lot of money..

Actually, 1.3 million employees and if Amazon was a worker owned co-operative,
they’d absolutely be doing better.

> > while his employees piss in pop bottles because they're not allowed to leave
> > their work area
>
> Would they even have those jobs if not for Jeff Bezos?

Bezos would still be working out of his garage without those 1.3 million employees
doing all the work and generate all the profit, none of which they get a share of.

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 by: SolomonW - Sat, 31 Jul 2021 09:28 UTC

On Thu, 29 Jul 2021 13:22:20 -0700 (PDT), Ed Stasiak wrote:

>> SolomonW
>>> Ed Stasiak
>>>
>>> It's already here. Jeff Bezos, Lord of Amazon Manor makes $2500 PER SECOND
>>
>> Amazon has 798,000 employees that if spread around its not a lot of money.
>
> Actually, 1.3 million employees and if Amazon was a worker owned co-operative,
> they’d absolutely be doing better.

In my experience few worker owned co-operatives do well. Most end out with
the managers stealing everything.

>
>>> while his employees piss in pop bottles because they're not allowed to leave
>>> their work area
>>
>> Would they even have those jobs if not for Jeff Bezos?
>
> Bezos would still be working out of his garage without those 1.3 million employees
> doing all the work and generate all the profit, none of which they get a share of.

He would not be working out of his garage without electricity.

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 by: SolomonW - Sat, 31 Jul 2021 09:32 UTC

On Thu, 29 Jul 2021 00:05:42 -0700 (PDT), gggg gggg wrote:

> On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 11:49:34 PM UTC-7, SolomonW wrote:
>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2021 22:13:18 -0700 (PDT), gggg gggg wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 2:05:59 PM UTC-7, Ed Stasiak wrote:
>>>>> Peter Jason
>>>>> > gggg gggg
>>>>> >
>>>>> > https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-coming-of-neo-feudalism-joel-kotkin/1132542627
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, it's coming.
>>>> It's already here. Jeff Bezos, Lord of Amazon Manor makes $2500 PER SECOND
>>>> while his employees piss in pop bottles because they're not allowed to leave their
>>>> work area and now the Western corporate-government nobility are pushing to
>>>> implement modern Chinese style techno-fascism.
>>>>
>>>> https://i.postimg.cc/Y09TTpBS/Bezos.png
>>>>
>>>> https://i.postimg.cc/qB5FzHd8/China-s-Social-Credit-System.jpg
>>>
>>> Concerning "Chinese style techno-fascism, the 2020 book "The Age of Surveillance Capitalism: The Fight for a Human Future at the New Frontier of Power" may be of interest:
>>>
>>> https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-age-of-surveillance-capitalism-shoshana-zuboff/1127581387?ean=9781541758001
>> Get over it, the days of privacy are long gone.
>
> Orwell and privacy in the news:
>
> https://news.google.com/search?q=orwell%20privacy&hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen

The expansion of universal health care system has meant today that almost
everyone is known to he authorities.

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> SolomonW
> > Ed Stasiak
> >
> > Actually, 1.3 million employees and if Amazon was a worker owned co-operative,
> > they’d absolutely be doing better.
>
> In my experience few worker owned co-operatives do well. Most end out with
> the managers stealing everything.

There are quite a few worker owned co-operatives (including utility companies)
and how is the danger of a manager stealing from the company worse then
conventional corporations, where the executives drive the company into the
ground, sell off the assets (to another corporation that did nothing to create
the profits) and float away on golden parachutes, while the workers end up on
the street?

https://i.postimg.cc/kggbW6X1/worker-owned-co-operatives-by-sector.jpg

A worker owned co-operative operates like a conventional company, except the
workers make major decisions and share in the profits they generate, with the
added benefit of the workers striving to be successful not only for themselves,
but to create jobs for their children and community.

I've long believed that any corporation above that of a "family business" ought to
be converted to a worker owned co-operative, with the owner taking a full-buyout
and leaving or a partial buyout and staying on as an employee, as once the company
grows to a certain size, the owner can no longer claim to be the reason for its success.

Bezos isn't packing those boxes, driving the trucks, balancing the books, keeping
the website up and running, etc. it's all being done by employees and he's just rubber
stamping the decisions his employee managers make.

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On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 11:49:34 PM UTC-7, SolomonW wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Jul 2021 22:13:18 -0700 (PDT), gggg gggg wrote:
>
> > On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 2:05:59 PM UTC-7, Ed Stasiak wrote:
> >>> Peter Jason
> >>> > gggg gggg
> >>> >
> >>> > https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-coming-of-neo-feudalism-joel-kotkin/1132542627
> >>>
> >>> Yes, it's coming.
> >> It's already here. Jeff Bezos, Lord of Amazon Manor makes $2500 PER SECOND
> >> while his employees piss in pop bottles because they're not allowed to leave their
> >> work area and now the Western corporate-government nobility are pushing to
> >> implement modern Chinese style techno-fascism.
> >>
> >> https://i.postimg.cc/Y09TTpBS/Bezos.png
> >>
> >> https://i.postimg.cc/qB5FzHd8/China-s-Social-Credit-System.jpg
> >
> > Concerning "Chinese style techno-fascism, the 2020 book "The Age of Surveillance Capitalism: The Fight for a Human Future at the New Frontier of Power" may be of interest:
> >
> > https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-age-of-surveillance-capitalism-shoshana-zuboff/1127581387?ean=9781541758001
> Get over it, the days of privacy are long gone.

(Recent podcast on privacy):

https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/futuretense/the-privacy-paradox/13253116

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On Monday, July 26, 2021 at 7:47:19 PM UTC-7, gggg gggg wrote:
> https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-coming-of-neo-feudalism-joel-kotkin/1132542627

(2020 Book review):

https://www.lareviewofbooks.org/article/neofeudalism-the-end-of-capitalism/

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On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 2:05:59 PM UTC-7, Ed Stasiak wrote:
> > Peter Jason
> > > gggg gggg
> > >
> > > https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-coming-of-neo-feudalism-joel-kotkin/1132542627
> >
> > Yes, it's coming.
> It's already here. Jeff Bezos, Lord of Amazon Manor makes $2500 PER SECOND
> while his employees piss in pop bottles because they're not allowed to leave their
> work area and now the Western corporate-government nobility are pushing to
> implement modern Chinese style techno-fascism.
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/Y09TTpBS/Bezos.png
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/qB5FzHd8/China-s-Social-Credit-System.jpg

According to this recent article:

- China’s social credit system is a combination of government and business surveillance that gives citizens a “score” that can restrict the ability of individuals to take actions — such as purchasing plane tickets, acquiring property or taking loans — because of behaviors. Given the position of several major American companies, a similar system may be coming here sooner than you think.

https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/565860-coming-soon-americas-own-social-credit-system

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> gggg gggg
> > Ed Stasiak
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> - China’s social credit system is a combination of government and business surveillance that gives citizens a “score” that can restrict the ability of individuals to take actions — such as purchasing plane tickets, acquiring property or taking loans — because of behaviors. Given the position of several major American companies, a similar system may be coming here sooner than you think.
>
> https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/565860-coming-soon-americas-own-social-credit-system

CNN's Don Lemon said Americans who refuse the covid vaccine should be banned
from grocery stores, essentially forcing them into starvation until they obey.

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On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 2:05:59 PM UTC-7, Ed Stasiak wrote:
> > Peter Jason
> > > gggg gggg
> > >
> > > https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-coming-of-neo-feudalism-joel-kotkin/1132542627
> >
> > Yes, it's coming.
> It's already here. Jeff Bezos, Lord of Amazon Manor makes $2500 PER SECOND
> while his employees piss in pop bottles because they're not allowed to leave their
> work area and now the Western corporate-government nobility are pushing to
> implement modern Chinese style techno-fascism.
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/Y09TTpBS/Bezos.png
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/qB5FzHd8/China-s-Social-Credit-System.jpg

Concerning "...Chinese style techno-fascism", the following review of a 2021 book may be of interest:

https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/geoffrey-cain/the-perfect-police-state/

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On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 11:49:34 PM UTC-7, SolomonW wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Jul 2021 22:13:18 -0700 (PDT), gggg gggg wrote:
>
> > On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 2:05:59 PM UTC-7, Ed Stasiak wrote:
> >>> Peter Jason
> >>> > gggg gggg
> >>> >
> >>> > https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-coming-of-neo-feudalism-joel-kotkin/1132542627
> >>>
> >>> Yes, it's coming.
> >> It's already here. Jeff Bezos, Lord of Amazon Manor makes $2500 PER SECOND
> >> while his employees piss in pop bottles because they're not allowed to leave their
> >> work area and now the Western corporate-government nobility are pushing to
> >> implement modern Chinese style techno-fascism.
> >>
> >> https://i.postimg.cc/Y09TTpBS/Bezos.png
> >>
> >> https://i.postimg.cc/qB5FzHd8/China-s-Social-Credit-System.jpg
> >
> > Concerning "Chinese style techno-fascism, the 2020 book "The Age of Surveillance Capitalism: The Fight for a Human Future at the New Frontier of Power" may be of interest:
> >
> > https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-age-of-surveillance-capitalism-shoshana-zuboff/1127581387?ean=9781541758001
> Get over it, the days of privacy are long gone.

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 by: a425couple - Sat, 21 Aug 2021 17:26 UTC

On 7/29/2021 1:22 PM, Ed Stasiak wrote:
>> SolomonW
>>> Ed Stasiak
>>>
>>> It's already here. Jeff Bezos, Lord of Amazon Manor makes $2500 PER SECOND
>>
>> Amazon has 798,000 employees that if spread around its not a lot of money.
>
> Actually, 1.3 million employees and if Amazon was a worker owned co-operative,
> they’d absolutely be doing better.
>
>>> while his employees piss in pop bottles because they're not allowed to leave
>>> their work area
>>
>> Would they even have those jobs if not for Jeff Bezos?
>
> Bezos would still be working out of his garage without those 1.3 million employees
> doing all the work and generate all the profit, none of which they get a share of.
>
Ed, your words, "profit, none of which they get a share of."
is a gross overstatement.

Their common labor is paid market rate. If any of those
million employees had a better offer they could have taken it.

Their management is paid very well. Real Estate in Seattle,
King County and western Washington is greatly increasing
in value.

from
https://www.comparably.com/companies/amazon/executive-salaries
mazon Executive Salaries

Total Comp
Andy Jassy CEO / President

Jeffrey Blackburn Senior Vice President of Business Development &
Entertainment
$171k
$22.19M
Diego Piacentini Senior Vice President of International Consumer
Business(leave of absence)
$110k
$23.73M

Andrew R. Jassy Chief Executive Officer of Amazon Web Services
Andrew R. Jassy
Chief Executive Officer of Amazon Web Services
$175k
$35.61M

The average Amazon executive compensation is $235,925 a year. Amazon's
highest paid executives include: Andrew R. Jassy $35,609,644, Diego
Piacentini $23,730,630, and Jeffrey Blackburn $22,194,343.

The median estimated compensation for executives at Amazon including
base salary and bonus is $232,856, or $111 per hour. read more

I personally do not care for Bezos.
But, on the other hand, he has definitely given me
great access at an excellent price to many books
and other items, that otherwise I would have not had.

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