On 30-Apr-22 17:26, Tony Cooper wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 09:01:25 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
> <grammatim@verizon.net> wrote:

>>> As far as I know, no state requires a person to de-register when the
>>
>> Did anyone suggest that they do?
>>
>> Stop inventing non-problems to try to start fights about.
>
> My post was intended to add additonal information, not to contradict.
>
> However, a "change" is an action that alters something. No change is
> made to the records of the district one leaves, and the record in the
> new district is an addition, not a change.
>
> My post brought out the fact that no change is made to the records in
> the previous district in the US system. In Peter Moylan's case, a
> change is made to the records when an old address is changed to a new
> address.

I for one thank you for that information.
There has been a fair amount of talk about the fact that Mark Meadows
was registered to vote in (I think) three different states.
The reports made it seem like an illegal act, but your text implies that
he may have actually done nothing wrong.

--
Sam Plusnet

On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 3:47:39 PM UTC-4, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> On 30-Apr-22 17:26, Tony Cooper wrote:
> > On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 09:01:25 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
> > <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:

> >>> As far as I know, no state requires a person to de-register when the
> >> Did anyone suggest that they do?
> >> Stop inventing non-problems to try to start fights about.
> > My post was intended to add additonal information, not to contradict.
> > However, a "change" is an action that alters something. No change is
> > made to the records of the district one leaves, and the record in the
> > new district is an addition, not a change.
> > My post brought out the fact that no change is made to the records in
> > the previous district in the US system. In Peter Moylan's case, a
> > change is made to the records when an old address is changed to a new
> > address.
>
> I for one thank you for that information.
> There has been a fair amount of talk about the fact that Mark Meadows
> was registered to vote in (I think) three different states.
> The reports made it seem like an illegal act, but your text implies that
> he may have actually done nothing wrong.

If he maintained domiciles in three districts, he did; for there was
nothing to stop him from submitting ballots in all three of them.

In other times, Congresspeople with their families lived in the DC area
full-time and rarely visited their home district. They looked after the
district's interests from the capital. Chicago was delighted to have
Sidney Yates represent the Illinois Ninth District for many, many years
-- the North Lake Shore affluent area -- and those of us who lived there
were very happy that he was the guardian of all sorts of cultural
funding (NEH, NEA, NSF, and all that), and that he had a crackerjack
Constituent Services team in his offices in the Federal Buildings. I
don't recall any office in the district.

Of course he maintained a residential address in the district.

I don't know what sort of family he might have had at his advanced
age, but if he had a spouse, presumably she voted in Maryland or
Virginia. He didn't.

How does it work in "pocket boroughs"?

On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 13:08:36 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
<grammatim@verizon.net> wrote:

>On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 3:47:39 PM UTC-4, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>> On 30-Apr-22 17:26, Tony Cooper wrote:
>> > On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 09:01:25 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
>> > <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> >>> As far as I know, no state requires a person to de-register when the
>> >> Did anyone suggest that they do?
>> >> Stop inventing non-problems to try to start fights about.
>> > My post was intended to add additonal information, not to contradict.
>> > However, a "change" is an action that alters something. No change is
>> > made to the records of the district one leaves, and the record in the
>> > new district is an addition, not a change.
>> > My post brought out the fact that no change is made to the records in
>> > the previous district in the US system. In Peter Moylan's case, a
>> > change is made to the records when an old address is changed to a new
>> > address.
>>
>> I for one thank you for that information.
>> There has been a fair amount of talk about the fact that Mark Meadows
>> was registered to vote in (I think) three different states.
>> The reports made it seem like an illegal act, but your text implies that
>> he may have actually done nothing wrong.
>
>If he maintained domiciles in three districts, he did; for there was
>nothing to stop him from submitting ballots in all three of them.

You want to stand by that comment as written, Petey?

This was the 2020 Presidential election.

--

Tony Cooper - Orlando Florida

I read and post to this group as a form of entertainment.

On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 20:47:34 +0100, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

>On 30-Apr-22 17:26, Tony Cooper wrote:
>> On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 09:01:25 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
>> <grammatim@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>>> As far as I know, no state requires a person to de-register when the
>>>
>>> Did anyone suggest that they do?
>>>
>>> Stop inventing non-problems to try to start fights about.
>>
>> My post was intended to add additonal information, not to contradict.
>>
>> However, a "change" is an action that alters something. No change is
>> made to the records of the district one leaves, and the record in the
>> new district is an addition, not a change.
>>
>> My post brought out the fact that no change is made to the records in
>> the previous district in the US system. In Peter Moylan's case, a
>> change is made to the records when an old address is changed to a new
>> address.
>
>I for one thank you for that information.
>There has been a fair amount of talk about the fact that Mark Meadows
>was registered to vote in (I think) three different states.
>The reports made it seem like an illegal act, but your text implies that
>he may have actually done nothing wrong.

Yes, but he did do something wrong. He voted using a registered
address that he was not entitled to register.

North Carolina requires that the address used must be one in which the
person actually lives. The person need not live at that address
full-time, but there are minimum requirements.

Meadows never lived in the trailer (caravan) used for his address. It
was rented, not owned, by Meadows, and he was never there.

Multiple registrations are legal because we don't need to de-register,
but there are conditions that vary by state and district on what
constitutes the legal residence. Multiple registrations are legal,
but a vote can be cast using only one.

--

Tony Cooper - Orlando Florida

I read and post to this group as a form of entertainment.

Tony Cooper explained :

> My post was intended to add additonal information, not to contradict.
>
> However, a "change" is an action that alters something. No change is
> made to the records of the district one leaves, and the record in the
> new district is an addition, not a change.
>

And more information: voter registration in California is coordinated
if not administered at the state level (and the DMV provides a way to
update your registration when you update your reg^Wdrivers license,
forwarding the information to the elections department). Election
ballots, precinct lists, and voting locations are administered at the
county, but coordinated and/or updated with the state record. So one
stop changes the information everywhere.

More Question: (for PMoylan and the Ozzies) There was mention that a
change in registration that came in too close to the election meant
voting in the old district, but that was okay because absentee ballots.
Is the window for "came in too close" bigger than time to acquire
absentee ballots?

/dps

--
But happiness cannot be pursued; it must ensue. One must have a reason
to 'be happy.'"
Viktor Frankl

On 01/05/22 00:48, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 10:19:32 PM UTC-4, Peter Moylan wrote:

>> The system would be much simpler if you had, as we do, a single
>> national body in charge of running elections. When we register a
>> change of address with the Electoral Office, all relevant rolls
>> are updated. If we fail to register the change of address, we must
>> vote in the old electorate. (This also happens if the change of
>> address is too close to an election date.)
>>
>> To forestall an obvious objection: voting in the old electorate
>> does not require a physical trip to the old address. Absentee
>> votes are available. If I happen to be travelling I can vote
>> anywhere in the country. (Or, in the case of a state election,
>> anywhere in the state.)
>
> Do you have constituencies smaller than states?

Only in the case of local government elections. There, your address
affects which city council election you're voting in.

Ah, but I see that I snipped your description of "district", because I
misunderstood the meaning of "constituency". That's an electorate in our
terminology, and there are a number of them per state. Boundaries are
re-drawn now and then as the result of population changes.

My point above, though, is that if I'm absent from my home electorate I
can still vote (for the candidates in my home electorte) at any other
polling booth. Polling booths are able to hand out voting papers for
other electorates. I suppose in the past that meant that they had to
keep a collection of spares for the hundred or so electorates in the
country. These days they probably have some sort of print-on-demand system.

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

On 01/05/22 07:24, Snidely wrote:
> Tony Cooper explained :
>
>> My post was intended to add additonal information, not to
>> contradict.
>>
>> However, a "change" is an action that alters something. No change
>> is made to the records of the district one leaves, and the record
>> in the new district is an addition, not a change.
>>
>
> And more information: voter registration in California is
> coordinated if not administered at the state level (and the DMV
> provides a way to update your registration when you update your
> reg^Wdrivers license, forwarding the information to the elections
> department). Election ballots, precinct lists, and voting locations
> are administered at the county, but coordinated and/or updated with
> the state record. So one stop changes the information everywhere.
>
> More Question: (for PMoylan and the Ozzies) There was mention that
> a change in registration that came in too close to the election
> meant voting in the old district, but that was okay because absentee
> ballots. Is the window for "came in too close" bigger than time to
> acquire absentee ballots?

I had to check that recently, but now I can't find the rules about
deadlines. I applied for a postal vote, and got the papers in the mail a
few days later. The instructions do say that the postal vote must be
received by the Electoral Commission by "the 13th day after election
day". That's a more generous allowance than I expected. Now I understand
why, in the case of a close race, the vote-counters have to wait for the
outstanding postal votes to arrive.

But an absentee ballot is something different. To have an absentee vote,
you just have to turn up at any voting booth on election day. No notice
need be given, and one doesn't have to apply in advance.

The polling booths must have some mechanism for supplying ballot papers
for other electorates. As I mentioned in another post, they probably
have some sort of print-on-demand system, except in the remote places
where they can't get an internet connection.

Remark: all the stuff like registering to vote and registering a change
of address can be done on-line, so that takes effect immediately. No
doubt there are also people who want to do it the old-fashioned way.

If you turn up in person at the state or federal "services" office, you
can probably do the voting address change and the driver's licence
change in the same visit.

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

On 4/30/2022 3:38 PM, Tony Cooper wrote:
> Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
>> Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

>>> Well, you might want to reconsider that claim about purging
>>> Hispanic voters. That's a problem in Florida for the
>>> politicians. There's growing indication that the Hispanic vote
>>> is skewing to the Republican side because a lot of those
>>> Hispanics in Florida are Cuban or of Cuban descent.

>>> The Republicans don't know to suppress just the Hispanics who
>>> tend to vote for Democrats.

>> They do, if you're in Miami, you're OK. If you're elsewhere in the
>> state, you re liberal scum.

> Your map of Florida omits Tampa and the surrounding counties? The
> those-of-Cuban-descents in that area are mostly third- and
> fourth-generation, though, and less of a voting bloc. Still, there
> are about 80,000 in Tampa, and that's a lot of votes to go after.

> Actually, the city in Florida that has the highest Cuban-American
> population is Hialeah at 73.3% of the city's population.

>>>> Yes. And that list was, please note, 180, 000.

>>> That is not "hundreds of thousands".

>> It is two hundred thousand, and it is not the only time that
>> numbers that high have been targeted. So yes, it is hundreds of
>> thousands.

> I think your school must have provided a deficient math textbook.

Ping DeSantis.

On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 12:29:24 AM UTC-4, Peter Moylan wrote:
> On 01/05/22 00:48, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 10:19:32 PM UTC-4, Peter Moylan wrote:
>
> >> The system would be much simpler if you had, as we do, a single
> >> national body in charge of running elections. When we register a
> >> change of address with the Electoral Office, all relevant rolls
> >> are updated. If we fail to register the change of address, we must
> >> vote in the old electorate. (This also happens if the change of
> >> address is too close to an election date.)
> >>
> >> To forestall an obvious objection: voting in the old electorate
> >> does not require a physical trip to the old address. Absentee
> >> votes are available. If I happen to be travelling I can vote
> >> anywhere in the country. (Or, in the case of a state election,
> >> anywhere in the state.)
> >
> > Do you have constituencies smaller than states?
> Only in the case of local government elections. There, your address
> affects which city council election you're voting in.
>
> Ah, but I see that I snipped your description of "district", because I
> misunderstood the meaning of "constituency". That's an electorate in our
> terminology, and there are a number of them per state. Boundaries are
> re-drawn now and then as the result of population changes.
>
> My point above, though, is that if I'm absent from my home electorate I
> can still vote (for the candidates in my home electorte) at any other
> polling booth.

You've mentioned that before. I suppose it could work in a very small '
country! But if the stars are aligned correctly, in one quadrennial
November election we might vote for officials (and other things)
in a ward [division of a municipality represented on the City Council],
a municipality, a county, a state's two legislative houses, statewide
offices, one of the state's senators in DC, a Congressional district,
and president.

Almost none of the boundaries of those units within a state will
coincide. Only the few hundred people in one "Electoral District"
(the NJ term) or "precinct" (the Illinois term) can be absolutely
certain of having all the same representatives etc. as anyone else.

> Polling booths are able to hand out voting papers for
> other electorates. I suppose in the past that meant that they had to
> keep a collection of spares for the hundred or so electorates in the
> country. These days they probably have some sort of print-on-demand system.

Hundred or so! Yours is a _very_ tiny country, it's just spread out a lot!

The state of New Hampshire, one of the very smallest, has 400
legislative districts.in its House.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Hampshire_General_Court

NYC has 51 City Council members, Chicago in my time had 50 --
there's your hundred or so districts right there!

On 2022-04-30, Peter T. Daniels wrote:

> On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 6:37:58 PM UTC-4, Lewis wrote:
>> In message <rnmo6htb95cb37obj...@4ax.com> Tony Cooper <tonyco...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 20:39:47 -0000 (UTC), Lewis
>> > <g.k...@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
>> >>In message <gkln6h5vgso3d60ig...@4ax.com> Tony Cooper <tonyco...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 11:30:19 -0000 (UTC), Lewis
>> >>> <g.k...@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
>
>> >>>>Add to that that Florida, specifically, removed hundreds of thousands of
>> >>>>voters from the roles based on their last names, trying to purge black
>> >>>>and Hispanic voters.
>> >>> What's this? I have no idea what you might be thinking of, and I
>> >>> follow Florida news very closely.
>> >><https://prospect.org/power/florida-s-voter-purge-hell/>
>> >>Just one example, but there have been other instances of Florida
>> >>removing voters, strangely almost always minorities.
>> > I assume you read the article, and that whatever schools you attended
>> > did provide math textbooks that gave you a working knowledge of how
>> > numbers are represented.
>> > That article refers to a list of 180,000 *potential* non-citizens. The
>> > list was then narrowed down to 2,700 *potential* non-citizens. The
>> > list was based on DMV records of driver's license applications.
>> Yes. And that list was, please note, 180, 000.
>> > The narrowed-down list was then sent to county Election officials.
>> > Some did not take any action, and some sent out letters to those on
>> > the list.
>>
>> The "narrowing" was a trial balloon . Nothing was ever said or even
>> implied that the full 180,000 were not going to be targetted.
>
> Don't forget about the attempt to violate the XXIVth Amendment
> by requiring all former convicts to pay all the fees and fines and
> whatnot incurred during their legal procedures and confinement
> before registering to vote.
>
> "AMENDMENT XXIV"
> Passed by Congress August 27, 1962. Ratified January 23, 1964.
>
> "Section 1.
> "The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or
> other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President
> or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall
> not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason
> of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.

Someone will probably argue that the "fees and fines and whatnot" are
something other than taxes. (Just to be clear, I'm in favour of
letting them vote.)

> "Section 2.
> "The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate
> legislation."
>
> Interestingly, it was proposed and ratified well before the Civil Rights
> Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965.

--
One last word to the wise
While we got time to kill
If the X-rays don't get ya
Then the heartbreak surely will

* Peter T. Daniels:

> On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 12:29:24 AM UTC-4, Peter Moylan wrote:
>> On 01/05/22 00:48, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>>> On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 10:19:32 PM UTC-4, Peter Moylan wrote:
>>
>>>> The system would be much simpler if you had, as we do, a single
>>>> national body in charge of running elections. When we register a
>>>> change of address with the Electoral Office, all relevant rolls
>>>> are updated. If we fail to register the change of address, we must
>>>> vote in the old electorate. (This also happens if the change of
>>>> address is too close to an election date.)
>>>>
>>>> To forestall an obvious objection: voting in the old electorate
>>>> does not require a physical trip to the old address. Absentee
>>>> votes are available. If I happen to be travelling I can vote
>>>> anywhere in the country. (Or, in the case of a state election,
>>>> anywhere in the state.)
>>>
>>> Do you have constituencies smaller than states?
>> Only in the case of local government elections. There, your address
>> affects which city council election you're voting in.
>>
>> Ah, but I see that I snipped your description of "district", because I
>> misunderstood the meaning of "constituency". That's an electorate in our
>> terminology, and there are a number of them per state. Boundaries are
>> re-drawn now and then as the result of population changes.
>>
>> My point above, though, is that if I'm absent from my home electorate I
>> can still vote (for the candidates in my home electorte) at any other
>> polling booth.
>
> You've mentioned that before. I suppose it could work in a very small '
> country! But if the stars are aligned correctly, in one quadrennial
> November election we might vote for officials (and other things)
> in a ward [division of a municipality represented on the City Council],
> a municipality, a county, a state's two legislative houses, statewide
> offices, one of the state's senators in DC, a Congressional district,
> and president.
>
> Almost none of the boundaries of those units within a state will
> coincide. Only the few hundred people in one "Electoral District"
> (the NJ term) or "precinct" (the Illinois term) can be absolutely
> certain of having all the same representatives etc. as anyone else.
>
>> Polling booths are able to hand out voting papers for
>> other electorates. I suppose in the past that meant that they had to
>> keep a collection of spares for the hundred or so electorates in the
>> country. These days they probably have some sort of print-on-demand system.
>
> Hundred or so! Yours is a _very_ tiny country, it's just spread out a lot!
>
> The state of New Hampshire, one of the very smallest, has 400
> legislative districts.in its House.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Hampshire_General_Court
>
> NYC has 51 City Council members, Chicago in my time had 50 --
> there's your hundred or so districts right there!

Ha - Montreal has 65 (from 48 districts, if I counted right), Frankfurt
has 93, for a population of only 760,000. But elections are always
staggered in Germany, I believe. We don't have that many levels, just
municipality, state, federal and Europe.

--
Novels and romances ... when habitually indulged in, exert a
disastrous influence on the nervous system, sufficient to explain
that frequency of hysteria and nervous disease which we find
among the highest classes. -- E.J. Tilt

On Sun, 1 May 2022 14:48:49 +1000, Peter Moylan
<peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:

>On 01/05/22 07:24, Snidely wrote:
>> Tony Cooper explained :
>>
>>> My post was intended to add additonal information, not to
>>> contradict.
>>>
>>> However, a "change" is an action that alters something. No change
>>> is made to the records of the district one leaves, and the record
>>> in the new district is an addition, not a change.
>>>
>>
>> And more information: voter registration in California is
>> coordinated if not administered at the state level (and the DMV
>> provides a way to update your registration when you update your
>> reg^Wdrivers license, forwarding the information to the elections
>> department). Election ballots, precinct lists, and voting locations
>> are administered at the county, but coordinated and/or updated with
>> the state record. So one stop changes the information everywhere.
>>
>> More Question: (for PMoylan and the Ozzies) There was mention that
>> a change in registration that came in too close to the election
>> meant voting in the old district, but that was okay because absentee
>> ballots. Is the window for "came in too close" bigger than time to
>> acquire absentee ballots?
>
>I had to check that recently, but now I can't find the rules about
>deadlines. I applied for a postal vote, and got the papers in the mail a
>few days later. The instructions do say that the postal vote must be
>received by the Electoral Commission by "the 13th day after election
>day". That's a more generous allowance than I expected. Now I understand
>why, in the case of a close race, the vote-counters have to wait for the
>outstanding postal votes to arrive.
>
>But an absentee ballot is something different. To have an absentee vote,
>you just have to turn up at any voting booth on election day. No notice
>need be given, and one doesn't have to apply in advance.
>
>The polling booths must have some mechanism for supplying ballot papers
>for other electorates. As I mentioned in another post, they probably
>have some sort of print-on-demand system, except in the remote places
>where they can't get an internet connection.
>
>Remark: all the stuff like registering to vote and registering a change
>of address can be done on-line, so that takes effect immediately. No
>doubt there are also people who want to do it the old-fashioned way.
>
>If you turn up in person at the state or federal "services" office, you
>can probably do the voting address change and the driver's licence
>change in the same visit.

My wife and I changed our voter registration to reflect our new
address at the DMV (Division of Motor Vehicles) office when we applied
for new driver's licenses because of the change in our address.

We could have changed the registration on-line.

I could also change my party affiliation on-line. (Or changed it to
no party affiliation)

Certain times of the year, when we are nearing an election, people can
register to vote at a library or many other places. There were
authorized people taking voter registrations at the universities in
the area.

--

Tony Cooper - Orlando Florida

I read and post to this group as a form of entertainment.

On 01/05/22 23:53, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 12:29:24 AM UTC-4, Peter Moylan wrote:

>> Polling booths are able to hand out voting papers for other
>> electorates. I suppose in the past that meant that they had to
>> keep a collection of spares for the hundred or so electorates in
>> the country. These days they probably have some sort of
>> print-on-demand system.
>
> Hundred or so! Yours is a _very_ tiny country, it's just spread out
> a lot!
>
> The state of New Hampshire, one of the very smallest, has 400
> legislative districts.in its House.

And they say that Australia has too many politicians!

Our federal house of representatives has 151 members, so there are 151
federal electorates. The Senate uses a different system where an
electorate is an entire state, represented by 12 senators.

In NSW there are 47 state electorates. The boundaries of state
electorates do not necessarily coincide with the boundaries of federal
electorates.

When we vote, we are voting in a federal election OR a state election OR
a local municipal election. The dates of those three never coincide, as
far as I know, so there is never an election where we are voting for
both state and federal members. And, of course, we don't vote for things
like dog catchers.

In a federal election we are filling out just two ballot papers, one for
the house and one for the senate.

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

Sun, 01 May 2022 11:15:41 -0400: Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com>
scribeva:
> My wife and I changed our voter registration to reflect our new
> address at the DMV (Division of Motor Vehicles) office when we applied
> for new driver's licenses because of the change in our address.

In the Netherlands where I live, no voter registration is necessary,
because municipalities have a registration of the people who live
there. Municipalities exchange the data when people move. For every
election, potential voters automatically get a card sent to their home
address so they can vote.

>applied
>for new driver's licenses because of the change in our address.

Driver licenses do not contain an address, so no need for that here.

>We could have changed the registration on-line.
>
>I could also change my party affiliation on-line. (Or changed it to
>no party affiliation)

You mean the party people vote for or belong to is REGISTERED?
Unthinkable here. The EU's GDPR (General Data Protection Regulation)
does not allow it. Publishing your vote on social media is
discouraged, because it could mean someone but pressure on you to vote
for a certain party or person, and the photo is proof.

>Certain times of the year, when we are nearing an election, people can
>register to vote at a library or many other places. There were
>authorized people taking voter registrations at the universities in
>the area.

Uncessary in NL, all automatic.
--
Ruud Harmsen, http://rudhar.com

On 02/05/22 15:29, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
> Sun, 01 May 2022 11:15:41 -0400: Tony Cooper
> <tonycooper214@gmail.com> scribeva:

>> My wife and I changed our voter registration to reflect our new
>> address at the DMV (Division of Motor Vehicles) office when we
>> applied for new driver's licenses because of the change in our
>> address.
>
> In the Netherlands where I live, no voter registration is necessary,
> because municipalities have a registration of the people who live
> there. Municipalities exchange the data when people move. For every
> election, potential voters automatically get a card sent to their
> home address so they can vote.

When I got married in Belgium I ran into the assumption that every
country does it that way. I had to supply a "certificat de domicile": an
official document specifying my nationality and current address, and
they wouldn't accept my statement that Australia doesn't have such a
thing. "Just ask for it at the town hall", they said. But the town hall
didn't know where I lived. "Then get it at the police station", they
said. Couldn't do that, because I didn't have a criminal record.

I thought I could solve the problem by asking the AEC (the body that
runs elections), because they do have my address. No luck there, either.
They could certify my registered address, but couldn't certify that I
was an Australian citizen, because of a grandfather clause that allows
some UK citizens to vote in Australia.

It took several months of back-and-forth mail to sort that out. I was
surprised to find Europeans, of all people, who didn't understand that
not all countries are the same.

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

In article <miqu6hpp2f3ir53jqa583cumbplss6dqgq@4ax.com>, rh@rudhar.com
says...
>
> Sun, 01 May 2022 11:15:41 -0400: Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com>
> scribeva:
> > My wife and I changed our voter registration to reflect our new
> > address at the DMV (Division of Motor Vehicles) office when we applied
> > for new driver's licenses because of the change in our address.
>
> In the Netherlands where I live, no voter registration is necessary,
> because municipalities have a registration of the people who live
> there.

In the UK, not every resident is entitled to vote. YMMV

Those who are entitled to vote, are required to register on the
electoral roll.

From July each year Electoral Registration Offices (EROs) contact
households to check if the details on the electoral register are
correct. This is called the annual canvass.

https://www.gov.uk/electoral-register

Political Party membership in UK is entirely divorced from entries on
the Electoral Roll, the right to vote, and votes made.

I always vote, I've never registered as a member of any political
party. Tactical voting is widespread in UK.

https://tactical.vote/

Janet

On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 1:29:14 AM UTC-4, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
> Sun, 01 May 2022 11:15:41 -0400: Tony Cooper <tonyco...@gmail.com>
> scribeva:

> > My wife and I changed our voter registration to reflect our new
> > address at the DMV (Division of Motor Vehicles) office when we applied
> > for new driver's licenses because of the change in our address.
>
> In the Netherlands where I live, no voter registration is necessary,
> because municipalities have a registration of the people who live
> there. Municipalities exchange the data when people move. For every
> election, potential voters automatically get a card sent to their home
> address so they can vote.

That means you have those infamous "papers" you have to carry.

> >applied
> >for new driver's licenses because of the change in our address.
> Driver licenses do not contain an address, so no need for that here.

They're the de facto I.D. card. A "driver's license permitting driving
no class of vehicle" is a state I.D. card, used for identification
when needed.

> >We could have changed the registration on-line.
> >I could also change my party affiliation on-line. (Or changed it to
> >no party affiliation)
>
> You mean the party people vote for or belong to is REGISTERED?

In many states (in some, this has changed recently), only registered
party members can vote in that party's primary election, for the
candidate who will face the candidate of the other party in the
general election.

> Unthinkable here. The EU's GDPR (General Data Protection Regulation)
> does not allow it. Publishing your vote on social media is

It is illegal in many places to do a selfie holding up your ballot paper,
because your vote is SECRET.

> discouraged, because it could mean someone but pressure on you to vote
> for a certain party or person, and the photo is proof.
>
> >Certain times of the year, when we are nearing an election, people can
> >register to vote at a library or many other places. There were
> >authorized people taking voter registrations at the universities in
> >the area.
>
> Uncessary in NL, all automatic.

Like Australia, yours is a tiny country.

On Mon, 02 May 2022 07:29:08 +0200, Ruud Harmsen <rh@rudhar.com>
wrote:

>Sun, 01 May 2022 11:15:41 -0400: Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com>
>scribeva:
>> My wife and I changed our voter registration to reflect our new
>> address at the DMV (Division of Motor Vehicles) office when we applied
>> for new driver's licenses because of the change in our address.
>
>In the Netherlands where I live, no voter registration is necessary,
>because municipalities have a registration of the people who live
>there. Municipalities exchange the data when people move. For every
>election, potential voters automatically get a card sent to their home
>address so they can vote.
>
>>applied
>>for new driver's licenses because of the change in our address.
>
>Driver licenses do not contain an address, so no need for that here.
>
>>We could have changed the registration on-line.
>>
>>I could also change my party affiliation on-line. (Or changed it to
>>no party affiliation)
>
>You mean the party people vote for or belong to is REGISTERED?
>Unthinkable here. The EU's GDPR (General Data Protection Regulation)
>does not allow it.

To "register", in the US, means to submit the necessary information to
become eligible to vote. It places the person on the rolls.

The "necessary information" is name, address, date of birth, and
either a party affiliation or independent (no party affiliation)
status. There is no requirement to vote for any or all of the
candidates of the party one is affiliated with by registration.

--

Tony Cooper - Orlando Florida

I read and post to this group as a form of entertainment.

On 5/2/2022 7:04 AM, Janet wrote:
> rh@rudhar.com says...
>> Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> scribeva:

>>> My wife and I changed our voter registration to reflect our new
>>> address at the DMV (Division of Motor Vehicles) office when we
>>> applied for new driver's licenses because of the change in our
>>> address.

>> In the Netherlands where I live, no voter registration is
>> necessary, because municipalities have a registration of the people
>> who live there.

> In the UK, not every resident is entitled to vote. YMMV

> Those who are entitled to vote, are required to register on the
> electoral roll.

> From July each year Electoral Registration Offices (EROs) contact
> households to check if the details on the electoral register are
> correct. This is called the annual canvass.

> https://www.gov.uk/electoral-register

> Political Party membership in UK is entirely divorced from entries
> on the Electoral Roll, the right to vote, and votes made.

> I always vote, I've never registered as a member of any political
> party. Tactical voting is widespread in UK.

> https://tactical.vote/

Registering as a "party-supporter" in the US allows you to vote in the
primaries that determine who that party's candidate will be; it does not
commit you to vote for the candidate. Tony has long been a registered
Republican, but has said here that he has not voted for their candidate
for a long time.

On Mon, 2 May 2022 09:08:03 -0400, CDB <bellemarecd@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 5/2/2022 7:04 AM, Janet wrote:
>> rh@rudhar.com says...
>>> Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> scribeva:
>
>>>> My wife and I changed our voter registration to reflect our new
>>>> address at the DMV (Division of Motor Vehicles) office when we
>>>> applied for new driver's licenses because of the change in our
>>>> address.
>
>>> In the Netherlands where I live, no voter registration is
>>> necessary, because municipalities have a registration of the people
>>> who live there.
>
>> In the UK, not every resident is entitled to vote. YMMV
>
>> Those who are entitled to vote, are required to register on the
>> electoral roll.
>
>> From July each year Electoral Registration Offices (EROs) contact
>> households to check if the details on the electoral register are
>> correct. This is called the annual canvass.
>
>> https://www.gov.uk/electoral-register
>
>> Political Party membership in UK is entirely divorced from entries
>> on the Electoral Roll, the right to vote, and votes made.
>
>> I always vote, I've never registered as a member of any political
>> party. Tactical voting is widespread in UK.
>
>> https://tactical.vote/
>
>
>Registering as a "party-supporter" in the US allows you to vote in the
>primaries that determine who that party's candidate will be; it does not
>commit you to vote for the candidate. Tony has long been a registered
>Republican, but has said here that he has not voted for their candidate
>for a long time.
>

Correct. Not for a Republican candidate for state or federal office.

I have voted for some Republican candidates for local (County)
offices. One in particular. The problem with supporting Democratic
candidates in any Florida election is that the state and county
Democratic party is so weak and ineffectual that no one with any
qualifications wants to run as a Democrat.

--

Tony Cooper - Orlando Florida

I read and post to this group as a form of entertainment.

Mon, 2 May 2022 12:04:32 +0100: Janet <nobody@home.com> scribeva:

>In article <miqu6hpp2f3ir53jqa583cumbplss6dqgq@4ax.com>, rh@rudhar.com
>says...
>>
>> Sun, 01 May 2022 11:15:41 -0400: Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com>
>> scribeva:
>> > My wife and I changed our voter registration to reflect our new
>> > address at the DMV (Division of Motor Vehicles) office when we applied
>> > for new driver's licenses because of the change in our address.
>>
>> In the Netherlands where I live, no voter registration is necessary,
>> because municipalities have a registration of the people who live
>> there.
>
> In the UK, not every resident is entitled to vote. YMMV

Same here. They take that into account. There is a Kieswet, an
election law, that handles all that.
> Those who are entitled to vote, are required to register on the
>electoral roll.

Not necessary here, as I said.

>From July each year Electoral Registration Offices (EROs) contact
>households to check if the details on the electoral register are
>correct. This is called the annual canvass.
>
> https://www.gov.uk/electoral-register
>
> Political Party membership in UK is entirely divorced from entries on
>the Electoral Roll, the right to vote, and votes made.

Same here.

--
Ruud Harmsen, http://rudhar.com

Mon, 2 May 2022 09:08:03 -0400: CDB <bellemarecd@gmail.com> scribeva:

>On 5/2/2022 7:04 AM, Janet wrote:
>> rh@rudhar.com says...
>>> Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> scribeva:
>
>>>> My wife and I changed our voter registration to reflect our new
>>>> address at the DMV (Division of Motor Vehicles) office when we
>>>> applied for new driver's licenses because of the change in our
>>>> address.
>
>>> In the Netherlands where I live, no voter registration is
>>> necessary, because municipalities have a registration of the people
>>> who live there.
>
>> In the UK, not every resident is entitled to vote. YMMV
>
>> Those who are entitled to vote, are required to register on the
>> electoral roll.
>
>> From July each year Electoral Registration Offices (EROs) contact
>> households to check if the details on the electoral register are
>> correct. This is called the annual canvass.
>
>> https://www.gov.uk/electoral-register
>
>> Political Party membership in UK is entirely divorced from entries
>> on the Electoral Roll, the right to vote, and votes made.
>
>> I always vote, I've never registered as a member of any political
>> party. Tactical voting is widespread in UK.
>
>> https://tactical.vote/
>
>
>Registering as a "party-supporter" in the US allows you to vote in the
>primaries that determine who that party's candidate will be;

Yes, I know. I always perceived that as a bad practice. The French
system of two round voting is much better.

>it does not
>commit you to vote for the candidate. Tony has long been a registered
>Republican, but has said here that he has not voted for their candidate
>for a long time.

--
Ruud Harmsen, http://rudhar.com

Mon, 2 May 2022 05:03:16 -0700 (PDT): "Peter T. Daniels"
<grammatim@verizon.net> scribeva:

>On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 1:29:14 AM UTC-4, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
>> Sun, 01 May 2022 11:15:41 -0400: Tony Cooper <tonyco...@gmail.com>
>> scribeva:
>
>> > My wife and I changed our voter registration to reflect our new
>> > address at the DMV (Division of Motor Vehicles) office when we applied
>> > for new driver's licenses because of the change in our address.
>>
>> In the Netherlands where I live, no voter registration is necessary,
>> because municipalities have a registration of the people who live
>> there. Municipalities exchange the data when people move. For every
>> election, potential voters automatically get a card sent to their home
>> address so they can vote.
>
>That means you have those infamous "papers" you have to carry.

Electronic voting would be much better. But they never managed to make
it 1. safe 2. secret. 3 traceable enough. Or reproducible, is probably
a better word. Recountable.

>> >applied
>> >for new driver's licenses because of the change in our address.
>> Driver licenses do not contain an address, so no need for that here.
>
>They're the de facto I.D. card. A "driver's license permitting driving
>no class of vehicle" is a state I.D. card, used for identification
>when needed.

For voting, you need to present that paper card, and an ID card,
passport or driver's license here.

>> >We could have changed the registration on-line.
>> >I could also change my party affiliation on-line. (Or changed it to
>> >no party affiliation)
>>
>> You mean the party people vote for or belong to is REGISTERED?
>
>In many states (in some, this has changed recently), only registered
>party members can vote in that party's primary election, for the
>candidate who will face the candidate of the other party in the
>general election.
>
>> Unthinkable here. The EU's GDPR (General Data Protection Regulation)
>> does not allow it. Publishing your vote on social media is
>
>It is illegal in many places to do a selfie holding up your ballot paper,
>because your vote is SECRET.

That's what I meant to write, but my English writing skills "left me
in the stake" at the time. Lieten me in de steek. "My English language
skills let me down.", says Google Translate.

>> discouraged, because it could mean someone but pressure on you to vote
>> for a certain party or person, and the photo is proof.
>>
>> >Certain times of the year, when we are nearing an election, people can
>> >register to vote at a library or many other places. There were
>> >authorized people taking voter registrations at the universities in
>> >the area.
>>
>> Uncessary in NL, all automatic.
>
>Like Australia, yours is a tiny country.

It is, in terms of population size. Almost 18 million, versus
something like 22, I think. AU 25,991,100, CA 38,526,760, NL
17,717,000, Wikipedia thinks it knows are the 2022 estimates.
--
Ruud Harmsen, http://rudhar.com

In message <oq0r6h9946f2g9cmb1vesl3sub0ir8egu7@4ax.com> Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
> Your map of Florida omits Tampa and the surrounding counties? The
> those-of-Cuban-descents in that area are mostly third- and
> fourth-generation, though, and less of a voting bloc. Still, there
> are about 80,000 in Tampa, and that's a lot of votes to go after.

The conservative Rah-Rah Republican Cubans tend to be in Miami. The
TreasonParty does not care about the rest of them, and considers them
scum, just like anyone else with maybe somewhat darker skin.

--
Advance and attack! Attack and destroy! Destroy and rejoice!

In message <hnvq6hha6gbfr1rlrkcsvdmkmc4km20060@4ax.com> Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Apr 2022 18:18:46 -0000 (UTC), Lewis
> <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

>>In message <t4i5s5$65s$1@dont-email.me> Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 29/04/22 23:16, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>>> On 29/04/2022 1:52 pm, Tony Cooper wrote:
>>
>>>>> Who wouldn't believe anything said about a state that won't allow a
>>>>> school to use a math textbook that encourages childrens to get
>>>>> along with each other.
>>>>
>>>> Shouldn't that stuff be in the Getting Along With Each Other
>>>> textbook? Putting it in the Mathematics textbook means either less
>>>> room for teaching mathematical skills (so less fit for purpose) or a
>>>> bigger book (so more expensive). I suppose these getting along with
>>>> each other skills are being shoehorned into Physics books and
>>>> Chemistry books and French books and Economics books, making them all
>>>> either less fit for purpose or more expensive? What a bloody stupid
>>>> idea!
>>
>>> The impression I got from an upthread discussion is that the people
>>> criticising these books are refusing to say which books they are talking
>>> about, making their claims impossible to check.
>>
>>they are also refusing to say WHY the books they are banning fail their
>>'test'. Or say anything at all.
>>
>>It's all bullshit posturing by the TreasonParty in their effort to
>>spread disinformation and instill a sense of panic, hoping that they mange
>>to keep enough power until they can try again to overthrow the
>>government. This time they will have a better plan.

> You do offer some over-the-top opinions.

> I agree it's posturing, but discount the rest of your description.

Yeah, like when I said in 2000 that the GOP would stage a coup, and that
the illegal appointment of Bush was just the start.

Yeah, that was sure over the top, huh?

To be fair, I did not predict that the President of the United State
would try to have his VP murdered, but I also cannot say I was at all
surprised when that happened.

--
"Are you pondering what I'm pondering?"
"I think so, Brain, but what would Pippi Longstocking look like with
her hair straight?"