On Sat, 7 May 2022 21:39:49 -0000 (UTC), Lewis
<g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

>In message <48ra7hh3aqs7n5vdmp1buaiigqqt6sr4vq@4ax.com> Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 6 May 2022 10:40:00 -0700 (PDT), bruce bowser
>> <bruce2bowser@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 11:18:23 AM UTC-4, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>>>> To sum up, in dealing with these questions, we need to be careful to
>>>> distinguish IDEOGRAMS from LOGOGRAMS; and REBUSES
>>>
>>>I think i've heard of someone with the name Rebus. Or was it Remus?
>
>> Rebus is Ian Rankin's Inspector. Remus is Joel Chandler Harris's
>> Uncle.
>
>There are a few well known Remuses. One of the legendary founders of
>Rome, of course. Uncle Remus and Remus Lupin are fictional characters
>somewhat well known, and the name is not uncommon in Romania, though I
>don't know any Romanians off the top of my head named Remus.
>
>The first movie actress to play Dorthy Gale (Wizard of Oz) was name
>Ramona Remus, IIRC.
>
>I had never heard of either Ian Rankin or Inspector Rebus, but I am
>looking to see if my library has them.

Should you decide to read the Rankin books in which Rebus is the main
character, you should start with "Knights and Crosses" if the library
has it. He does get better over time, though.

Rankin is a "must read" author for me, and I've read every book he's
written. But, like all authors who write about a single character in
a series of books, a later book will mention a character or event that
was in an earlier book, and it can be confusing. Authors seem to
expect you to know the reference.

If you read Rankin, do it with the understanding that his books are
about a Glasgow policeman (in the late 1980s at first) and doesn't go
out of his way to explain Glascow landmarks, the Scottish police
system, or the Scottish legal system. You may have to do some
Googling to keep up.

The only real problem for me with Rankin is that he will set something
in some part of Glascow or the surrounds that he describes by name,
but the name doesn't mean anything to me. Yet, what is describes
would be typical of that part of Glascow.

--

Tony Cooper - Orlando Florida

I read and post to this group as a form of entertainment.

In message <s0qd7h5ut4gn195b18gao5hrg8ojdhqo1q@4ax.com> Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 7 May 2022 21:39:49 -0000 (UTC), Lewis
> <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

>>In message <48ra7hh3aqs7n5vdmp1buaiigqqt6sr4vq@4ax.com> Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 6 May 2022 10:40:00 -0700 (PDT), bruce bowser
>>> <bruce2bowser@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 11:18:23 AM UTC-4, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>>>>> To sum up, in dealing with these questions, we need to be careful to
>>>>> distinguish IDEOGRAMS from LOGOGRAMS; and REBUSES
>>>>
>>>>I think i've heard of someone with the name Rebus. Or was it Remus?
>>
>>> Rebus is Ian Rankin's Inspector. Remus is Joel Chandler Harris's
>>> Uncle.
>>
>>There are a few well known Remuses. One of the legendary founders of
>>Rome, of course. Uncle Remus and Remus Lupin are fictional characters
>>somewhat well known, and the name is not uncommon in Romania, though I
>>don't know any Romanians off the top of my head named Remus.
>>
>>The first movie actress to play Dorthy Gale (Wizard of Oz) was name
>>Ramona Remus, IIRC.
>>
>>I had never heard of either Ian Rankin or Inspector Rebus, but I am
>>looking to see if my library has them.

> Should you decide to read the Rankin books in which Rebus is the main
> character, you should start with "Knights and Crosses" if the library
> has it. He does get better over time, though.

I generally try to read series in order, I've been reading all the Ngaio
Marsh books in order, and next up is the Slough House books (though I
did read the first one of those already in anticipation of the Slow
Horses series which was excellent).

> Rankin is a "must read" author for me, and I've read every book he's
> written. But, like all authors who write about a single character in
> a series of books, a later book will mention a character or event that
> was in an earlier book, and it can be confusing. Authors seem to
> expect you to know the reference.

> If you read Rankin, do it with the understanding that his books are
> about a Glasgow

Edinburgh, innit?

--
By the way, I think you might be the prettiest girl I've ever seen
outside the pages of a really filthy magazine

On Sun, 8 May 2022 00:46:29 -0000 (UTC), Lewis
<g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

>In message <s0qd7h5ut4gn195b18gao5hrg8ojdhqo1q@4ax.com> Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 7 May 2022 21:39:49 -0000 (UTC), Lewis
>> <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
>
>>>In message <48ra7hh3aqs7n5vdmp1buaiigqqt6sr4vq@4ax.com> Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 6 May 2022 10:40:00 -0700 (PDT), bruce bowser
>>>> <bruce2bowser@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 11:18:23 AM UTC-4, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>>>>>> To sum up, in dealing with these questions, we need to be careful to
>>>>>> distinguish IDEOGRAMS from LOGOGRAMS; and REBUSES
>>>>>
>>>>>I think i've heard of someone with the name Rebus. Or was it Remus?
>>>
>>>> Rebus is Ian Rankin's Inspector. Remus is Joel Chandler Harris's
>>>> Uncle.
>>>
>>>There are a few well known Remuses. One of the legendary founders of
>>>Rome, of course. Uncle Remus and Remus Lupin are fictional characters
>>>somewhat well known, and the name is not uncommon in Romania, though I
>>>don't know any Romanians off the top of my head named Remus.
>>>
>>>The first movie actress to play Dorthy Gale (Wizard of Oz) was name
>>>Ramona Remus, IIRC.
>>>
>>>I had never heard of either Ian Rankin or Inspector Rebus, but I am
>>>looking to see if my library has them.
>
>
>> Should you decide to read the Rankin books in which Rebus is the main
>> character, you should start with "Knights and Crosses" if the library
>> has it. He does get better over time, though.
>
>I generally try to read series in order, I've been reading all the Ngaio
>Marsh books in order, and next up is the Slough House books (though I
>did read the first one of those already in anticipation of the Slow
>Horses series which was excellent).
>
>> Rankin is a "must read" author for me, and I've read every book he's
>> written. But, like all authors who write about a single character in
>> a series of books, a later book will mention a character or event that
>> was in an earlier book, and it can be confusing. Authors seem to
>> expect you to know the reference.
>
>> If you read Rankin, do it with the understanding that his books are
>> about a Glasgow
>
>Edinburgh, innit?

You are correct. My error. I was just reading another book that was
set in Glasgow, and had Glasgow on my mind.

All comments still apply except for the city name.

--

Tony Cooper - Orlando Florida

I read and post to this group as a form of entertainment.

In article <s0qd7h5ut4gn195b18gao5hrg8ojdhqo1q@4ax.com>,
Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 7 May 2022 21:39:49 -0000 (UTC), Lewis
> <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

> >In message <48ra7hh3aqs7n5vdmp1buaiigqqt6sr4vq@4ax.com> Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 6 May 2022 10:40:00 -0700 (PDT), bruce bowser
> >> <bruce2bowser@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>>On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 11:18:23 AM UTC-4, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> >>>> To sum up, in dealing with these questions, we need to be careful to
> >>>> distinguish IDEOGRAMS from LOGOGRAMS; and REBUSES
> >>>
> >>>I think i've heard of someone with the name Rebus. Or was it Remus?
> >
> >> Rebus is Ian Rankin's Inspector. Remus is Joel Chandler Harris's
> >> Uncle.
> >
> >There are a few well known Remuses. One of the legendary founders of
> >Rome, of course. Uncle Remus and Remus Lupin are fictional characters
> >somewhat well known, and the name is not uncommon in Romania, though I
> >don't know any Romanians off the top of my head named Remus.
> >
> >The first movie actress to play Dorthy Gale (Wizard of Oz) was name
> >Ramona Remus, IIRC.
> >
> >I had never heard of either Ian Rankin or Inspector Rebus, but I am
> >looking to see if my library has them.

> Should you decide to read the Rankin books in which Rebus is the main
> character, you should start with "Knights and Crosses" if the library
> has it. He does get better over time, though.

> Rankin is a "must read" author for me, and I've read every book he's
> written. But, like all authors who write about a single character in
> a series of books, a later book will mention a character or event that
> was in an earlier book, and it can be confusing. Authors seem to
> expect you to know the reference.

> If you read Rankin, do it with the understanding that his books are
> about a Glasgow policeman (in the late 1980s at first) and doesn't go
> out of his way to explain Glascow landmarks, the Scottish police
> system, or the Scottish legal system. You may have to do some
> Googling to keep up.

All the Rebus books I have read - I ssupect all of them - are about
Edinburgh not Glasgow.

> The only real problem for me with Rankin is that he will set something
> in some part of Glascow or the surrounds that he describes by name,
> but the name doesn't mean anything to me. Yet, what is describes
> would be typical of that part of Glascow.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

On 5/7/2022 3:02 PM, lar3ryca wrote:
> CDB wrote:
>> bil...@shaw.ca wrote:
>>> Tony Cooper wrote:
>>>> bruce bowser <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>> On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 11:18:23 AM UTC-4, Peter T.
>>>>> Daniels wrote:
>>>>>> To sum up, in dealing with these questions, we need to be
>>>>>> careful to distinguish IDEOGRAMS from LOGOGRAMS; and
>>>>>> REBUSES

>>>>> I think i've heard of someone with the name Rebus. Or was it
>>>>> Remus?

>>>> Rebus is Ian Rankin's Inspector. Remus is Joel Chandler
>>>> Harris's Uncle.

>>> A rebus is also a kind of puzzle that uses pictures of objects
>>> to suggest words.

>> "By means of things".

> https://www.redbubble.com/i/t-shirt/I-Love-Country-Music-by-lar3ry/6048843.NL9AC#&gid=1&pid=3
>
How come the woman's shirt doesn't say "ex-husband"?

On 5/7/2022 4:53 PM, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> Adam Funk wrote:
>> bruce bowser wrote:
>>> Peter T. Daniels wrote:

>>>> To sum up, in dealing with these questions, we need to be
>>>> careful to distinguish IDEOGRAMS from LOGOGRAMS; and REBUSES

>>> I think i've heard of someone with the name Rebus. Or was it
>>> Remus?

>> Robulus & Rebus?

> On a coach trip, one may disembark and later Rebus.

"Give me my sin again".

On 2022-05-08 05:08, CDB wrote:
> On 5/7/2022 3:02 PM, lar3ryca wrote:
>> CDB wrote:
>>> bil...@shaw.ca wrote:
>>>> Tony Cooper wrote:
>>>>> bruce bowser <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>> On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 11:18:23 AM UTC-4, Peter T.
>>>>>> Daniels wrote:
>>>>>>> To sum up, in dealing with these questions, we need to be careful
>>>>>>> to distinguish IDEOGRAMS from LOGOGRAMS; and
>>>>>>> REBUSES
>
>>>>>> I think i've heard of someone with the name Rebus. Or was it Remus?
>
>>>>> Rebus is Ian Rankin's Inspector. Remus is Joel Chandler
>>>>> Harris's Uncle.
>
>>>> A rebus is also a kind of puzzle that uses pictures of objects
>>>> to suggest words.
>
>>> "By means of things".
>
>> https://www.redbubble.com/i/t-shirt/I-Love-Country-Music-by-lar3ry/6048843.NL9AC#&gid=1&pid=3
>>
>>
> How come the woman's shirt doesn't say "ex-husband"?

Good question.

Two things;
'Ex-husband" does not work for the phrase, as most folks would not
associate it with the right syllable. Though in Australia, it would
probably work just as well.

I made it the way I made it. Redbubble decides what product(s) it goes on.

I see that the "Hey there big fella" shirt is being sold as both women's
and men's.

https://www.redbubble.com/i/t-shirt/Hey-there-big-fella-by-lar3ry/5652075.8PZ5B

https://www.redbubble.com/i/t-shirt/Hey-there-big-fella-by-lar3ry/5652075.TR8D9

I think I've only sold two of that design.

On Sat, 07 May 2022 18:12:30 -0400, Tony Cooper
<tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 7 May 2022 21:39:49 -0000 (UTC), Lewis
><g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
>
>>In message <48ra7hh3aqs7n5vdmp1buaiigqqt6sr4vq@4ax.com> Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 6 May 2022 10:40:00 -0700 (PDT), bruce bowser
>>> <bruce2bowser@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 11:18:23 AM UTC-4, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>>>>> To sum up, in dealing with these questions, we need to be careful to
>>>>> distinguish IDEOGRAMS from LOGOGRAMS; and REBUSES
>>>>
>>>>I think i've heard of someone with the name Rebus. Or was it Remus?
>>
>>> Rebus is Ian Rankin's Inspector. Remus is Joel Chandler Harris's
>>> Uncle.
>>
>>There are a few well known Remuses. One of the legendary founders of
>>Rome, of course. Uncle Remus and Remus Lupin are fictional characters
>>somewhat well known, and the name is not uncommon in Romania, though I
>>don't know any Romanians off the top of my head named Remus.
>>
>>The first movie actress to play Dorthy Gale (Wizard of Oz) was name
>>Ramona Remus, IIRC.
>>
>>I had never heard of either Ian Rankin or Inspector Rebus, but I am
>>looking to see if my library has them.
>
>
>Should you decide to read the Rankin books in which Rebus is the main
>character, you should start with "Knights and Crosses" if the library
>has it. He does get better over time, though.
>
>Rankin is a "must read" author for me, and I've read every book he's
>written.

So have I.

> But, like all authors who write about a single character in
>a series of books, a later book will mention a character or event that
>was in an earlier book, and it can be confusing. Authors seem to
>expect you to know the reference.

Some authors do; others don't.

>
>If you read Rankin, do it with the understanding that his books are
>about a Glasgow policeman (in the late 1980s at first) and doesn't go
>out of his way to explain Glascow landmarks, the Scottish police
>system, or the Scottish legal system. You may have to do some
>Googling to keep up.
>
>The only real problem for me with Rankin is that he will set something
>in some part of Glascow or the surrounds that he describes by name,
>but the name doesn't mean anything to me. Yet, what is describes
>would be typical of that part of Glascow.

I've read most of his books as Kindle books on my smart phone. As I
think I said earlier in another thread, one of the big advantages of
Kindle to me is that you can just tap on a word and quickly find out
what it means or refers to. That's especially valuable to me for
rightpondian books.

In article <kdsf7h9srbp7fs2n5guj806lra733l6dlm@4ax.com>,
Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 07 May 2022 18:12:30 -0400, Tony Cooper
> <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:

> >On Sat, 7 May 2022 21:39:49 -0000 (UTC), Lewis
> ><g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
> >
> >>In message <48ra7hh3aqs7n5vdmp1buaiigqqt6sr4vq@4ax.com> Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Fri, 6 May 2022 10:40:00 -0700 (PDT), bruce bowser
> >>> <bruce2bowser@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>>On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 11:18:23 AM UTC-4, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> >>>>> To sum up, in dealing with these questions, we need to be careful to
> >>>>> distinguish IDEOGRAMS from LOGOGRAMS; and REBUSES
> >>>>
> >>>>I think i've heard of someone with the name Rebus. Or was it Remus?
> >>
> >>> Rebus is Ian Rankin's Inspector. Remus is Joel Chandler Harris's
> >>> Uncle.
> >>
> >>There are a few well known Remuses. One of the legendary founders of
> >>Rome, of course. Uncle Remus and Remus Lupin are fictional characters
> >>somewhat well known, and the name is not uncommon in Romania, though I
> >>don't know any Romanians off the top of my head named Remus.
> >>
> >>The first movie actress to play Dorthy Gale (Wizard of Oz) was name
> >>Ramona Remus, IIRC.
> >>
> >>I had never heard of either Ian Rankin or Inspector Rebus, but I am
> >>looking to see if my library has them.
> >
> >
> >Should you decide to read the Rankin books in which Rebus is the main
> >character, you should start with "Knights and Crosses" if the library
> >has it. He does get better over time, though.
> >
> >Rankin is a "must read" author for me, and I've read every book he's
> >written.

> So have I.

> > But, like all authors who write about a single character in
> >a series of books, a later book will mention a character or event that
> >was in an earlier book, and it can be confusing. Authors seem to
> >expect you to know the reference.

> Some authors do; others don't.

And some authors get their geography totally mixed up. A well known author
had his hero be driven from Waterloo station to Century House passing
Hammersmith Hospital (which isn't in hammersmith) on the way. It's only a
10 minute walk; while it would probably take 30 minutes each way to the
hospital.

> >
> >If you read Rankin, do it with the understanding that his books are
> >about a Glasgow policeman (in the late 1980s at first) and doesn't go
> >out of his way to explain Glascow landmarks, the Scottish police
> >system, or the Scottish legal system. You may have to do some
> >Googling to keep up.
> >
> >The only real problem for me with Rankin is that he will set something
> >in some part of Glascow or the surrounds that he describes by name,
> >but the name doesn't mean anything to me. Yet, what is describes
> >would be typical of that part of Glascow.

> I've read most of his books as Kindle books on my smart phone. As I
> think I said earlier in another thread, one of the big advantages of
> Kindle to me is that you can just tap on a word and quickly find out
> what it means or refers to. That's especially valuable to me for
> rightpondian books.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

On Sun, 08 May 2022 09:41:34 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>
wrote:

>On Sat, 07 May 2022 18:12:30 -0400, Tony Cooper
><tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 7 May 2022 21:39:49 -0000 (UTC), Lewis
>><g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
>>
>>>In message <48ra7hh3aqs7n5vdmp1buaiigqqt6sr4vq@4ax.com> Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 6 May 2022 10:40:00 -0700 (PDT), bruce bowser
>>>> <bruce2bowser@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 11:18:23 AM UTC-4, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>>>>>> To sum up, in dealing with these questions, we need to be careful to
>>>>>> distinguish IDEOGRAMS from LOGOGRAMS; and REBUSES
>>>>>
>>>>>I think i've heard of someone with the name Rebus. Or was it Remus?
>>>
>>>> Rebus is Ian Rankin's Inspector. Remus is Joel Chandler Harris's
>>>> Uncle.
>>>
>>>There are a few well known Remuses. One of the legendary founders of
>>>Rome, of course. Uncle Remus and Remus Lupin are fictional characters
>>>somewhat well known, and the name is not uncommon in Romania, though I
>>>don't know any Romanians off the top of my head named Remus.
>>>
>>>The first movie actress to play Dorthy Gale (Wizard of Oz) was name
>>>Ramona Remus, IIRC.
>>>
>>>I had never heard of either Ian Rankin or Inspector Rebus, but I am
>>>looking to see if my library has them.
>>
>>
>>Should you decide to read the Rankin books in which Rebus is the main
>>character, you should start with "Knights and Crosses" if the library
>>has it. He does get better over time, though.
>>
>>Rankin is a "must read" author for me, and I've read every book he's
>>written.
>
>
>So have I.
>
>> But, like all authors who write about a single character in
>>a series of books, a later book will mention a character or event that
>>was in an earlier book, and it can be confusing. Authors seem to
>>expect you to know the reference.
>
>Some authors do; others don't.
>
>
>>
>>If you read Rankin, do it with the understanding that his books are
>>about a Glasgow policeman (in the late 1980s at first) and doesn't go
>>out of his way to explain Glascow landmarks, the Scottish police
>>system, or the Scottish legal system. You may have to do some
>>Googling to keep up.
>>
>>The only real problem for me with Rankin is that he will set something
>>in some part of Glascow or the surrounds that he describes by name,
>>but the name doesn't mean anything to me. Yet, what is describes
>>would be typical of that part of Glascow.
>
>
>I've read most of his books as Kindle books on my smart phone. As I
>think I said earlier in another thread, one of the big advantages of
>Kindle to me is that you can just tap on a word and quickly find out
>what it means or refers to. That's especially valuable to me for
>rightpondian books.

I have pad with Kindle, and did use it at the beginning of COVID when
the libraries were closed. I couldn't wait to get back to actual
books.

If I do come across something that needs an explanaton, I don't find
it to be a problem to go to my computer and Google.

I've just finished a book set in WWI times, and a character in the
book is a nurse in the Queen Alexandria's Royal Army Nursing Corps.
There are numerous references to battles in France and wounded
veterans returning from those battles.

As you can imagine, "the Somme" appeared quite frequently. First I
went to Google just to determine where in France the Somme is. But,
typically when Googling something, one page leads to another and I
ended spending more than hour on WWI battles.

The short answer can be all that's wanted, though. I like the longer
one.

--

Tony Cooper - Orlando Florida

I read and post to this group as a form of entertainment.

Den 07-05-2022 kl. 23:45 skrev Stefan Ram:
> "Anders D. Nygaard" <news2012adn@gmail.com> writes:
>> Den 06-05-2022 kl. 22:12 skrev Stefan Ram:
>>> Bebercito <bebercito@aol.com> writes:
>>>> [two contrasts that predate the five types of writing system(s)]
>>>> The latter, as "writing system" can only be countable.
>>> I hereby acknowledge that you wrote first that countability
>>> is what matters here!
>> You (both) have me confused here - how does countability enter into it?
>
> I am not a native speaker of English. That's true.
>
> My intution told me that "five types of writing systems" was
> correct, but my intuition is sometimes right and sometimes
> wrong when it comes to English. I can not trust it in this
> regard!
>
> So I turned to the Web (the World-Wide Web). There was a
> kind of a discussion I found [...]

Where? Please be specific, so I have a chance of assessing
the validity of your (or, rather, their) claim.

/Anders, Denmark

"Anders D. Nygaard" <news2012adn@gmail.com> writes:
>Where? Please be specific, so I have a chance of assessing
>the validity of your (or, rather, their) claim.

Your assessment should use sources independent of the
source I used, to avoid confirming my source "with itself"
(which would be no confirmation at all). Therefore, it
would be better if you followed your own, independent path
to get a word on this question from sources of your own
choice and then compare what they say with what I said.

ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) writes:
>Your assessment should use sources independent of the
>source I used, to avoid confirming my source "with itself"

I now see that there is continuing interest in that question.

So, I have looked into /Swan/. He does not speak about it, but
in section "sort of, kind of and type of" has this example:

|These kinds of car(s) are ...

. From this, one might conclude that both "car" and "cars" is
allowed here. Otherwise, he himself seems to prefer the singular
because in his book he uses:

|, or different types of thing.

|types of noun
heading

|This structure is mostly used to talk in general about types
|of object and material.

|We've tested three hundred types of boot, none of which is
|completely waterproof
example sentence

. In Greenbaums's grammar, however, Greenbaum uses:

|Types of grammar books
heading

|Theories of grammar
heading

. One might think that in the seconds case grammar might be
used in an uncountable sense. Greenbaum:

|... the distinction between these two types of grammars is
|not always clear-cut.

|other types of cognitive acquisition and processing

|Four types of transformational rules were proposed:

|In certain types of embedding of relative clauses

|Grammars vary in what types of unacceptability they can
|account for or want to account for.

. So, I'd say: When the subject behind "type of" is not
countable, one can't use its plural. Otherwise, some authors
prefer to use the singular (as Swan seems to do, he seems to
be British) and others the plural (as possibly Greenbaum,
seems to be British too).

ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) writes:
>|types of noun
>heading

The above is a heading from a renowned usage book, but

|Types of nouns
heading

is a heading from a grammar book by Alexander (*London 1932).

So, this seems to show that authors have some liberty in this
regard at least in some cases.

(So far, I only looked in books by Britons.)

On 09/05/22 03:08, charles wrote:

> And some authors get their geography totally mixed up. A well known
> author had his hero be driven from Waterloo station to Century House
> passing Hammersmith Hospital (which isn't in hammersmith) on the way.
> It's only a 10 minute walk; while it would probably take 30 minutes
> each way to the hospital.

A recent TV series set in Newcastle started very strangely. A woman who
had just flown from England was picked up at Newcastle beach by a
relative and driven to Merewether, a beach suburb that's less than a
ten-minute drive away if you take any of the obvious routes. Along the
way, they pass through an industrial area that would have been at least
a forty-minute detour, in the opposite direction.

What really puzzled me, though, was the question of how she got to
Newcastle Beach in the first place. The airport buses don't go that way.

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

In message <ppuf7hh70rh745elie2cckop809gmve93c@4ax.com> Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 08 May 2022 09:41:34 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>
> wrote:

>>On Sat, 07 May 2022 18:12:30 -0400, Tony Cooper
>><tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 7 May 2022 21:39:49 -0000 (UTC), Lewis
>>><g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
>>>
>>>>In message <48ra7hh3aqs7n5vdmp1buaiigqqt6sr4vq@4ax.com> Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 6 May 2022 10:40:00 -0700 (PDT), bruce bowser
>>>>> <bruce2bowser@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 11:18:23 AM UTC-4, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>>>>>>> To sum up, in dealing with these questions, we need to be careful to
>>>>>>> distinguish IDEOGRAMS from LOGOGRAMS; and REBUSES
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I think i've heard of someone with the name Rebus. Or was it Remus?
>>>>
>>>>> Rebus is Ian Rankin's Inspector. Remus is Joel Chandler Harris's
>>>>> Uncle.
>>>>
>>>>There are a few well known Remuses. One of the legendary founders of
>>>>Rome, of course. Uncle Remus and Remus Lupin are fictional characters
>>>>somewhat well known, and the name is not uncommon in Romania, though I
>>>>don't know any Romanians off the top of my head named Remus.
>>>>
>>>>The first movie actress to play Dorthy Gale (Wizard of Oz) was name
>>>>Ramona Remus, IIRC.
>>>>
>>>>I had never heard of either Ian Rankin or Inspector Rebus, but I am
>>>>looking to see if my library has them.
>>>
>>>
>>>Should you decide to read the Rankin books in which Rebus is the main
>>>character, you should start with "Knights and Crosses" if the library
>>>has it. He does get better over time, though.
>>>
>>>Rankin is a "must read" author for me, and I've read every book he's
>>>written.
>>
>>
>>So have I.
>>
>>> But, like all authors who write about a single character in
>>>a series of books, a later book will mention a character or event that
>>>was in an earlier book, and it can be confusing. Authors seem to
>>>expect you to know the reference.
>>
>>Some authors do; others don't.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>If you read Rankin, do it with the understanding that his books are
>>>about a Glasgow policeman (in the late 1980s at first) and doesn't go
>>>out of his way to explain Glascow landmarks, the Scottish police
>>>system, or the Scottish legal system. You may have to do some
>>>Googling to keep up.
>>>
>>>The only real problem for me with Rankin is that he will set something
>>>in some part of Glascow or the surrounds that he describes by name,
>>>but the name doesn't mean anything to me. Yet, what is describes
>>>would be typical of that part of Glascow.
>>
>>
>>I've read most of his books as Kindle books on my smart phone. As I
>>think I said earlier in another thread, one of the big advantages of
>>Kindle to me is that you can just tap on a word and quickly find out
>>what it means or refers to. That's especially valuable to me for
>>rightpondian books.

> I have pad with Kindle, and did use it at the beginning of COVID when
> the libraries were closed. I couldn't wait to get back to actual
> books.

There are currently somewhere in excess of 1100 books on my iPad. That
advantage trumps everything else, but in addition, all my books are also
instantly searchable, shareable, and If I really want, editable.

The iPad is also lighter than most dad-tree books and does not require
a light source to read.

A kindle would be even lighter, but I'd have to buy a newer one with its
own light and I much prefer the crisp exact text of the iPad to the
somewhat mushy pixels of the kindle. I have been tempted by a Kobo,
however.

It's not all skittles and beer, of course, I do have to charge the iPad
every day or three, and I need to remember to put it into a distraction-
free focus mode or else I get interrupted/distracted too often.

With some books, the ability to simply look up place names in wikipedia
has been invaluable. When the read the Saxon Stories (The last Kingdom)
I was constantly looking up place names and finding that the research
into a series of adventure novels about a kid growing up in the late
800s was astonishingly well-done and accurate.

> I do come across something that needs an explanaton, I don't find
> it to be a problem to go to my computer and Google.

that means making the decision to take an extended break from reading,
likely involving moving to another room or at latest different chair. Each
time you move you risk a bout of threshold amnesia and 4 hours later you
find you get back to your book only to realize you never looked up what
you stopped reading to look up. The immediacy of having your book be
the Internet is a major benefit for staying focused.

> I've just finished a book set in WWI times, and a character in the
> book is a nurse in the Queen Alexandria's Royal Army Nursing Corps.
> There are numerous references to battles in France and wounded
> veterans returning from those battles.

Queen Alexandra, I think. There is a book by that name by Juliet Piggott
on my reading list, but I have not gotten to it yet.

Queen Alexandra was Edward VII wife, and was an important figure in
Britain during WWI, as Queen Mother.

I don't know if any of this figures in the book, but Queen Alexandra is
a fascinating woman and well-worth reading about.

Oh, and she is a close relative of basically every important figure of
the time, including Nicholas II and Wilhelm II. She also started a
charity that sold 'roses' made by disabled people to raise funds for
charity that morphed into the Remembrance Day Poppies that are still an
annual tradition in the UK to this day.

> As you can imagine, "the Somme" appeared quite frequently. First I
> went to Google just to determine where in France the Somme is. But,
> typically when Googling something, one page leads to another and I
> ended spending more than hour on WWI battles.

Which would have been less likely have you not had to switch devices and
locations. To be fair, it could still happen, but the odds are a bit
better in your favor.

> The short answer can be all that's wanted, though. I like the longer
> one.

The entire Internet is on my iPad, without getting out of my chair (or
bed).

--
"What if your DOPE was on fire?"
"Impossible, sir, it's in Johnson's underwear."

On 2022-05-09 01:36:11 +0000, Peter Moylan said:

> On 09/05/22 03:08, charles wrote:
>
>> And some authors get their geography totally mixed up. A well known
>> author had his hero be driven from Waterloo station to Century House
>> passing Hammersmith Hospital (which isn't in hammersmith) on the way.
>> It's only a 10 minute walk; while it would probably take 30 minutes
>> each way to the hospital.
>
> A recent TV series set in Newcastle started very strangely. A woman who
> had just flown from England was picked up at Newcastle beach by a
> relative and driven to Merewether, a beach suburb that's less than a
> ten-minute drive away if you take any of the obvious routes. Along the
> way, they pass through an industrial area that would have been at least
> a forty-minute detour, in the opposite direction.
>
> What really puzzled me, though, was the question of how she got to
> Newcastle Beach in the first place. The airport buses don't go that way.

What we learn from French films set in Marseilles (of which there are
many) is that it takes 5 minutes or less to drive from any part of the
city to another, and that there is no point from which you don't have a
view of Notre Dame de la Garde. Also that when we're not shooting one
another we are playing boules or sipping pastis.

--
Athel -- French and British, living mainly in England until 1987.

On Sun, 08 May 2022 15:18:41 -0400, Tony Cooper
<tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 08 May 2022 09:41:34 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 07 May 2022 18:12:30 -0400, Tony Cooper
>><tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 7 May 2022 21:39:49 -0000 (UTC), Lewis
>>><g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
>>>
>>>>In message <48ra7hh3aqs7n5vdmp1buaiigqqt6sr4vq@4ax.com> Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 6 May 2022 10:40:00 -0700 (PDT), bruce bowser
>>>>> <bruce2bowser@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 11:18:23 AM UTC-4, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>>>>>>> To sum up, in dealing with these questions, we need to be careful to
>>>>>>> distinguish IDEOGRAMS from LOGOGRAMS; and REBUSES
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I think i've heard of someone with the name Rebus. Or was it Remus?
>>>>
>>>>> Rebus is Ian Rankin's Inspector. Remus is Joel Chandler Harris's
>>>>> Uncle.
>>>>
>>>>There are a few well known Remuses. One of the legendary founders of
>>>>Rome, of course. Uncle Remus and Remus Lupin are fictional characters
>>>>somewhat well known, and the name is not uncommon in Romania, though I
>>>>don't know any Romanians off the top of my head named Remus.
>>>>
>>>>The first movie actress to play Dorthy Gale (Wizard of Oz) was name
>>>>Ramona Remus, IIRC.
>>>>
>>>>I had never heard of either Ian Rankin or Inspector Rebus, but I am
>>>>looking to see if my library has them.
>>>
>>>
>>>Should you decide to read the Rankin books in which Rebus is the main
>>>character, you should start with "Knights and Crosses" if the library
>>>has it. He does get better over time, though.
>>>
>>>Rankin is a "must read" author for me, and I've read every book he's
>>>written.
>>
>>
>>So have I.
>>
>>> But, like all authors who write about a single character in
>>>a series of books, a later book will mention a character or event that
>>>was in an earlier book, and it can be confusing. Authors seem to
>>>expect you to know the reference.
>>
>>Some authors do; others don't.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>If you read Rankin, do it with the understanding that his books are
>>>about a Glasgow policeman (in the late 1980s at first) and doesn't go
>>>out of his way to explain Glascow landmarks, the Scottish police
>>>system, or the Scottish legal system. You may have to do some
>>>Googling to keep up.
>>>
>>>The only real problem for me with Rankin is that he will set something
>>>in some part of Glascow or the surrounds that he describes by name,
>>>but the name doesn't mean anything to me. Yet, what is describes
>>>would be typical of that part of Glascow.
>>
>>
>>I've read most of his books as Kindle books on my smart phone. As I
>>think I said earlier in another thread, one of the big advantages of
>>Kindle to me is that you can just tap on a word and quickly find out
>>what it means or refers to. That's especially valuable to me for
>>rightpondian books.
>
>I have pad with Kindle, and did use it at the beginning of COVID when
>the libraries were closed. I couldn't wait to get back to actual
>books.

You're not the only one. That's a common point of view, but it's not
mine.

For people who like Kindle, most also prefer to use an Amazon Kindle
device, but I'm unusual in that I prefer to use my phone.

Why do I prefer Kindle on my phone to actual books or Kindle devices?

1. One of the big advantages of Kindle to me is that you can just tap
on a word and quickly find out what it means or refers to.

2. My phone is much lighter than a book (or even a Kindle device) and
that makes reading in bed (which is where I usually read) much more
comfortable.

3. I only need to use one hand to hold the phone and turn the pages.

4. I always have my phone with me, so I don't have to remember to take
a book with me, for example, to read if I have to wait in a doctors
office.

On 2022-05-08 23:34, Lewis wrote:
> In message <ppuf7hh70rh745elie2cckop809gmve93c@4ax.com> Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 08 May 2022 09:41:34 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>
>> wrote:
>
>>> On Sat, 07 May 2022 18:12:30 -0400, Tony Cooper
>>> <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 7 May 2022 21:39:49 -0000 (UTC), Lewis
>>>> <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In message <48ra7hh3aqs7n5vdmp1buaiigqqt6sr4vq@4ax.com> Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 6 May 2022 10:40:00 -0700 (PDT), bruce bowser
>>>>>> <bruce2bowser@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 11:18:23 AM UTC-4, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>>>>>>>> To sum up, in dealing with these questions, we need to be careful to
>>>>>>>> distinguish IDEOGRAMS from LOGOGRAMS; and REBUSES
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think i've heard of someone with the name Rebus. Or was it Remus?
>>>>>
>>>>>> Rebus is Ian Rankin's Inspector. Remus is Joel Chandler Harris's
>>>>>> Uncle.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are a few well known Remuses. One of the legendary founders of
>>>>> Rome, of course. Uncle Remus and Remus Lupin are fictional characters
>>>>> somewhat well known, and the name is not uncommon in Romania, though I
>>>>> don't know any Romanians off the top of my head named Remus.
>>>>>
>>>>> The first movie actress to play Dorthy Gale (Wizard of Oz) was name
>>>>> Ramona Remus, IIRC.
>>>>>
>>>>> I had never heard of either Ian Rankin or Inspector Rebus, but I am
>>>>> looking to see if my library has them.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Should you decide to read the Rankin books in which Rebus is the main
>>>> character, you should start with "Knights and Crosses" if the library
>>>> has it. He does get better over time, though.
>>>>
>>>> Rankin is a "must read" author for me, and I've read every book he's
>>>> written.
>>>
>>>
>>> So have I.
>>>
>>>> But, like all authors who write about a single character in
>>>> a series of books, a later book will mention a character or event that
>>>> was in an earlier book, and it can be confusing. Authors seem to
>>>> expect you to know the reference.
>>>
>>> Some authors do; others don't.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you read Rankin, do it with the understanding that his books are
>>>> about a Glasgow policeman (in the late 1980s at first) and doesn't go
>>>> out of his way to explain Glascow landmarks, the Scottish police
>>>> system, or the Scottish legal system. You may have to do some
>>>> Googling to keep up.
>>>>
>>>> The only real problem for me with Rankin is that he will set something
>>>> in some part of Glascow or the surrounds that he describes by name,
>>>> but the name doesn't mean anything to me. Yet, what is describes
>>>> would be typical of that part of Glascow.
>>>
>>>
>>> I've read most of his books as Kindle books on my smart phone. As I
>>> think I said earlier in another thread, one of the big advantages of
>>> Kindle to me is that you can just tap on a word and quickly find out
>>> what it means or refers to. That's especially valuable to me for
>>> rightpondian books.
>
>> I have pad with Kindle, and did use it at the beginning of COVID when
>> the libraries were closed. I couldn't wait to get back to actual
>> books.
>
> There are currently somewhere in excess of 1100 books on my iPad. That
> advantage trumps everything else, but in addition, all my books are also
> instantly searchable, shareable, and If I really want, editable.
>
> The iPad is also lighter than most dad-tree books and does not require
> a light source to read.
>
> A kindle would be even lighter, but I'd have to buy a newer one with its
> own light and I much prefer the crisp exact text of the iPad to the
> somewhat mushy pixels of the kindle. I have been tempted by a Kobo,
> however.

I like my Kobo a lot. You didn't mention the best advantage over paper
books; that I don't need to hold the book open. I often read while
having breakfast or lunch, and have a 3D-printed adjustable stand that
will hold it at the optimum angle.

It's a Kobo Aura H2O, which does have a back-light and is, somewhat
waterproof. It's actually one of the reasons I still run a single
Windows computer and access it with TeamViewer from my Linux box, since
Adobe sees fit to not provide Digital Editions for Linux.

While it does have a browser, I never use it.

--
The best way to accelerate a Windows machine is at 32 ft/sec/sec.

On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 3:12:32 AM UTC-4, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> On 2022-05-09 01:36:11 +0000, Peter Moylan said:
>
> > On 09/05/22 03:08, charles wrote:
> >
> >> And some authors get their geography totally mixed up. A well known
> >> author had his hero be driven from Waterloo station to Century House
> >> passing Hammersmith Hospital (which isn't in hammersmith) on the way.
> >> It's only a 10 minute walk; while it would probably take 30 minutes
> >> each way to the hospital.
> >
> > A recent TV series set in Newcastle started very strangely. A woman who
> > had just flown from England was picked up at Newcastle beach by a
> > relative and driven to Merewether, a beach suburb that's less than a
> > ten-minute drive away if you take any of the obvious routes. Along the
> > way, they pass through an industrial area that would have been at least
> > a forty-minute detour, in the opposite direction.
> >
> > What really puzzled me, though, was the question of how she got to
> > Newcastle Beach in the first place. The airport buses don't go that way..
>
> What we learn from French films set in Marseilles (of which there are
> many)

I hear that is a diverse place. It has "no go" zones. That's a crazy term.. Elderly, handicapped and many women raise kids in those areas. Why call it a no-go zone simply because it has no money, like Bordeaux does? In the US, the Bronx, NY is like that.

> is that it takes 5 minutes or less to drive from any part of the
> city to another, and that there is no point from which you don't have a
> view of Notre Dame de la Garde. Also that when we're not shooting one
> another we are playing boules or sipping pastis.

I look at crime thrillers from Germany. In two minutes, one of them characterizes a French-speaking family in such a quaint way. I couldn't stop laughing when I saw it. Here it is (after the 7:00 minute):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIfjjLOwl6w&t=14s (

On 09-May-22 8:12, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:

> What we learn from French films set in Marseilles (of which there are
> many) is that it takes 5 minutes or less to drive from any part of the
> city to another, and that there is no point from which you don't have a
> view of Notre Dame de la Garde. Also that when we're not shooting one
> another we are playing boules or sipping pastis.

There must be a few enterprising Marseillais who could manage all three?

--
Sam Plusnet

On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 2:38:49 PM UTC-4, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> On 09-May-22 8:12, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>
> > What we learn from French films set in Marseilles (of which there are
> > many) is that it takes 5 minutes or less to drive from any part of the
> > city to another, and that there is no point from which you don't have a
> > view of Notre Dame de la Garde. Also that when we're not shooting one
> > another we are playing boules or sipping pastis.
> There must be a few enterprising Marseillais who could manage all three?

I'm sure that most Marseillais have their ideas.

* Ken Blake:

> On Sat, 07 May 2022 18:12:30 -0400, Tony Cooper
> <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Rankin is a "must read" author for me, and I've read every book he's
>>written.
>
> So have I.

Reading on his Wikipedia page "He lives in Edinburgh with his wife,
Miranda (née Harvey)", I thought for a moment that she had changed her
name from Harvey to Miranda. I might know too many people at this point
who've done this kind of change.

Recently I heard about someone changing their (first) name from Jules to
Ozzie, apparently for gender-related reasons. That confused me, since
they are both male-associated names to me. But thinking about it, most
anglophone people named Jules I've encountered (including fictional
ones) have been women.

--
Some of the most horrific things ever done to humans
were done by the politest, best-dressed, most well-spoken
people from the very best homes and neighborhoods.
-- Jerry Springer

On Mon, 9 May 2022 23:21:29 -0400, Quinn C
<lispamateur@crommatograph.info> wrote:

>* Ken Blake:
>
>> On Sat, 07 May 2022 18:12:30 -0400, Tony Cooper
>> <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Rankin is a "must read" author for me, and I've read every book he's
>>>written.
>>
>> So have I.
>
>Reading on his Wikipedia page "He lives in Edinburgh with his wife,
>Miranda (née Harvey)", I thought for a moment that she had changed her
>name from Harvey to Miranda. I might know too many people at this point
>who've done this kind of change.
>

I assume you figured it out. It used to be very common to do it that
way using née to indicate her maiden name but the current trend seems
to be just write "his wife Miranda (Harvey)...".

It's better to write "Ian and Miranda (Harvey) Rankin live in
Edinburgh".
--

Tony Cooper - Orlando Florida

I read and post to this group as a form of entertainment.

In message <uijqakenhi68$.dlg@mid.crommatograph.info> Quinn C <lispamateur@crommatograph.info> wrote:
> * Ken Blake:

>> On Sat, 07 May 2022 18:12:30 -0400, Tony Cooper
>> <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Rankin is a "must read" author for me, and I've read every book he's
>>>written.
>>
>> So have I.

> Reading on his Wikipedia page "He lives in Edinburgh with his wife,
> Miranda (née Harvey)", I thought for a moment that she had changed her
> name from Harvey to Miranda. I might know too many people at this point
> who've done this kind of change.

Very odd thing to think. Have you not seen née before?

née: originally called; born (used in giving a married woman's maiden
name after her surname): Mary Toogood, née Johnson.

> Recently I heard about someone changing their (first) name from Jules to
> Ozzie, apparently for gender-related reasons. That confused me, since
> they are both male-associated names to me. But thinking about it, most
> anglophone people named Jules I've encountered (including fictional
> ones) have been women.

The only person I've ever known who was named Jules was female, and it
is a frequent nickname for Julie.

--
"Are you pondering what I'm pondering?"
"Umm, I think so, Brain, but three men in a tub? Ooh, that's
unsanitary!"