On 5/11/2022 12:03 PM, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> CDB wrote:
>> Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>>> CDB wrote:
>>>> Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>>> Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>>>>> Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>>>>> CDB wrote:
>>>>>>>> Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>>>>>>> CDB wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>>> When he was a young man courting the girls, he
>>>>>>>>>> played him a waiting game.
>>>>>>>>> Courting... Tennis, or legal?
>>>>>>>> Courting, tout court. So to speak. He'd let the old
>>>>>>>> earth take a couple of whirls.
>>>>>>> D@mn hard to stop it doing that - unless...
>>>>>>> https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0043456/
>>>>>> https://xkcd.com/162/
>>>>> And they say romance is dead.
>>>> It's all fun until somebody throws up.
>>> Somebody didn't look at the roll-over text.

>> Then how did anybody think of the question?

> Seems a fairly obvious concern with a young person spinning around
> for a long time.

But this was the old earth, and only a short time in that context.

On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 5:15:08 AM UTC-7, Adam Funk wrote:

> Speaking of Canadian officialdom, I heard on a podcast recently that
> there was some controversy because the current Governor General is
> the wrong kind of bilingual (although she promised to learn French on
> the job).
>
That must have been a very minor controversy. I recall that she was going to
learn French, but nobody was upset that she didn't speak French already.
The story when she was appointed was more about her being the first
aboriginal person named to the post than what languages she spoke

bill

Den 10-05-2022 kl. 21:29 skrev Sam Plusnet:
> On 08-May-22 22:42, Tony Cooper wrote:
>> On Sun, 8 May 2022 22:25:38 +0200, "Anders D. Nygaard"
>> <news2012adn@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Den 08-05-2022 kl. 00:39 skrev Tony Cooper:
>>>> In the US, we have Cabinet secretaries instead of Ministers.
>>>
>>> You had me confused there for a moment.
>>> My first thought was that this is a distinction without a difference,
>>> but when I tried to look it up, I found that British cabinet secretaries
>>> are senior civil servants - which surely is not what you intended.
>
> Slow follow up to this, but the UK does not have "Cabinet Secretaries".
>  We have _a_ Cabinet Secretary (i.e. the Secretary to the Cabinet) -
> who is also the head of the civil service.

My bad. I read too quickly, and confused it with Danish
"departementschef", of which there is one per ministry.
They do not, AFAIU, have a boss, but the one serving
the Prime Minister is "primus inter pares".

Looking up Sir Humphrey Appleby, I see that the proper analogue
for "departementschef" is Permanent Secretary.

/Anders, Denmark

* bil...@shaw.ca:

> On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 5:15:08 AM UTC-7, Adam Funk wrote:
>
>> Speaking of Canadian officialdom, I heard on a podcast recently that
>> there was some controversy because the current Governor General is
>> the wrong kind of bilingual (although she promised to learn French on
>> the job).
>>
> That must have been a very minor controversy. I recall that she was going to
> learn French, but nobody was upset that she didn't speak French already.

Or so it may appear outside of Quebec ...

I think in general Quebecers also acknowledge that it shouldn't be a
blocker. But some did point out that someone who spoke French and an
indigenous language, but no English would probably not have been
appointed.

> The story when she was appointed was more about her being the first
> aboriginal person named to the post than what languages she spoke

It should be noted that she speaks two languages of Canada, even if one
isn't official throughout the country.

--
.... one has to question science with those economy people
[...] thinking is often blocked by an ideological super-
structure [...] It's in many aspects more a religion than
a science. -- Heiner Flassbeck, famous economist

* Peter T. Daniels:

> On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 10:46:30 AM UTC-4, CDB wrote:
>> On 5/11/2022 10:13 AM, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>>> CDB wrote:
>>>> Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>>> Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>>>>> Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>>>>> CDB wrote:
>>>>>>>> Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>>>>>>> CDB wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>>> When he was a young man courting the girls, he played
>>>>>>>>>> him a waiting game.
>>>>>>>>> Courting... Tennis, or legal?
>>>>>>>> Courting, tout court. So to speak. He'd let the old earth
>>>>>>>> take a couple of whirls.
>>>>>>> D@mn hard to stop it doing that - unless...
>>>>>>> https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0043456/
>>>>>> https://xkcd.com/162/
>>>>> And they say romance is dead.
>>>> It's all fun until somebody throws up.
>>> Somebody didn't look at the roll-over text.
>>
>> Then how did anybody think of the question?
>
> Seems a fairly obvious concern with a young person spinning
> around for a long time.

But not with an older person? Are we all supposed to get used to it,
without anti-twisties training?

--
....an explanatory principle - like "gravity" or "instinct" -
really explains nothing. It's a sort of conventional agreement
between scientists to stop trying to explain things at a
certain point. -- Gregory Bateson

On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 3:18:52 PM UTC-7, Quinn C wrote:
> * bil...@shaw.ca:
> > On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 10:13:51 AM UTC-7, Quinn C wrote:
> >
> >> An interesting aspect of politics here in Montreal is that the federal
> >> parties play no role at all in local elections. All seats on the council
> >> are held by local parties with names like "Projet Montreal". In Toronto,
> >> everyone seems to be (officially) Independent, but maybe others can shed
> >> light on how it really works.
> >
> > That's more or less standard across Canada. Local parties in municipal
> > elections rarely have formal ties with provincial or federal parties, nor are
> > there usually formal ties between federal and provincial parties, even when
> > they share the same name (especially Liberal or Conservative) and political
> > philosophy.
> >
> > Example: a member of a provincial Liberal party could not run for the federal
> > Liberal party without first becoming a member, of the federal party.

> Ok, but nobody really believes in that fine distinction, do they?
> Commentary never bothers to even say. It's "the Liberals" and "the NDP"
> that we hear about in the provincial elections, without adding "of
> Quebec", like, ever.
>
It's a real distinction, actually. Provincial Liberal parties are not formally
connected to the federal Liberal Party. The same thing is more or less true
of New Democrats. The NDP does allow joint membership in the federal
and provincial parties, but the two levels have separate administrations.
Federal and provincial conservative parties not only have separate
administrations, in many cases they have different names.

There are also anomalies such as the Liberal Party of B.C., which was
a coalition of the provincial Liberal, Conservative and Social Credit
parties formed around 1970 to keep the New Democrats out of power.
(Now that there is an NDP government in B.C. again, it will be interesting
to see if there is a new unite-the-right movement come election time.)

bill

On Wed, 11 May 2022 17:08:22 -0400, Quinn C
<lispamateur@crommatograph.info> wrote:

>* bil...@shaw.ca:
>
>> On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 5:15:08 AM UTC-7, Adam Funk wrote:
>>
>>> Speaking of Canadian officialdom, I heard on a podcast recently that
>>> there was some controversy because the current Governor General is
>>> the wrong kind of bilingual (although she promised to learn French on
>>> the job).
>>>
>> That must have been a very minor controversy. I recall that she was going to
>> learn French, but nobody was upset that she didn't speak French already.
>
>Or so it may appear outside of Quebec ...
>
>I think in general Quebecers also acknowledge that it shouldn't be a
>blocker. But some did point out that someone who spoke French and an
>indigenous language, but no English would probably not have been
>appointed.
>
>> The story when she was appointed was more about her being the first
>> aboriginal person named to the post than what languages she spoke
>
>It should be noted that she speaks two languages of Canada, even if one
>isn't official throughout the country.

What is the other one besides English and French?

William Boei:
>>> The story when she [Mary Simon] was appointed was more about
>>> her being the first aboriginal person named to the post [of
>>> Governor-General] than what languages she spoke.

"Quinn":
>> It should be noted that she speaks two languages of Canada, even if one
>> isn't official throughout the country.
Ken Blake:
> What is the other one besides English and French?

Inuktitut (which I suppose we would have called Eskimo when I was
a boy). Her name in Inuktitut is Ningiukadlak.
--
Mark Brader, Toronto | "Everyone generalizes from insufficient data.
msb@vex.net | I know I do."

Wed, 11 May 2022 12:20:19 +0200: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
Lodder) scribeva:

>Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>
>> On 09-May-22 12:10, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>
>> > As you no doubt know, Dutch members of parliament
>> > must give up their seats when becoming minister.
>>
>> Presumably their Parliamentary seat is then filled after a local election.
>
>There are no local elections.
>The seat is taken by the next on the list.

That's the trouble if you don't read me, Lodder: you are explaining
thing I already did days ago. Boring.

>> If there is a subsequent cabinet reshuffle, does that mean the (now)
>> ex-minister is left high and dry?
>
>There are no cabinet reshuffles.

There are. Several during the last couple of years.

>There is no one who has the authority to.
>
>> Or are cabinet reshuffles less common in the Netherlands than here in
>> the UK?
>
>They occur only when absolutely necessary,
>like someone dropping dead,

Nonsense.
--
Ruud Harmsen, http://rudhar.com

Anders D. Nygaard <news2012adn@gmail.com> wrote:

> Den 10-05-2022 kl. 21:29 skrev Sam Plusnet:
> > On 08-May-22 22:42, Tony Cooper wrote:
> >> On Sun, 8 May 2022 22:25:38 +0200, "Anders D. Nygaard"
> >> <news2012adn@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Den 08-05-2022 kl. 00:39 skrev Tony Cooper:
> >>>> In the US, we have Cabinet secretaries instead of Ministers.
> >>>
> >>> You had me confused there for a moment.
> >>> My first thought was that this is a distinction without a difference,
> >>> but when I tried to look it up, I found that British cabinet secretaries
> >>> are senior civil servants - which surely is not what you intended.
> >
> > Slow follow up to this, but the UK does not have "Cabinet Secretaries".
> > We have _a_ Cabinet Secretary (i.e. the Secretary to the Cabinet) -
> > who is also the head of the civil service.
>
> My bad. I read too quickly, and confused it with Danish
> "departementschef", of which there is one per ministry.
> They do not, AFAIU, have a boss, but the one serving
> the Prime Minister is "primus inter pares".
>
> Looking up Sir Humphrey Appleby, I see that the proper analogue
> for "departementschef" is Permanent Secretary.

A 'secretaris generaal' for the Dutch.
And of course he has a boss, in first instance his minister.
Every civil servants has a boss.
The SG are appointed by the council of ministers,
and they are of course also responsible to that council,

Jan

On 5/11/2022 5:08 PM, Quinn C wrote:
> * Peter T. Daniels:
>> CDB wrote:
>>> Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>>>> CDB wrote:
>>>>> Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>>>> Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>>>>>> Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>>>>>> CDB wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> CDB wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>> When he was a young man courting the girls, he
>>>>>>>>>>> played him a waiting game.
>>>>>>>>>> Courting... Tennis, or legal?
>>>>>>>>> Courting, tout court. So to speak. He'd let the old
>>>>>>>>> earth take a couple of whirls.
>>>>>>>> D@mn hard to stop it doing that - unless...
>>>>>>>> https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0043456/
>>>>>>> https://xkcd.com/162/
>>>>>> And they say romance is dead.
>>>>> It's all fun until somebody throws up.
>>>> Somebody didn't look at the roll-over text.

>>> Then how did anybody think of the question?

>> Seems a fairly obvious concern with a young person spinning around
>> for a long time.

> But not with an older person? Are we all supposed to get used to it,
> without anti-twisties training?

In all fairness, I haven't whirled until I fell down since I was twelve,
outside on the summer lawn . I suspect the same would be true for many
here. I never threw up. The trick is to unfocus your eyes.

--
Somewhere, long ago, I read an article that claimed that kind of
whirling was a good predictor of later drug use. Move over, mashed
potatoes.

--
..

On 5/11/2022 7:36 PM, Mark Brader wrote:
> William Boei:

>>>> The story when she [Mary Simon] was appointed was more about
>>>> her being the first aboriginal person named to the post [of
>>>> Governor-General] than what languages she spoke.

> "Quinn":
>>> It should be noted that she speaks two languages of Canada, even
>>> if one isn't official throughout the country.

> Ken Blake:
>> What is the other one besides English and French?

> Inuktitut (which I suppose we would have called Eskimo when I was a
> boy). Her name in Inuktitut is Ningiukadlak.

And most Inuit who are bilingual speak English to Kablunat.

I had a colleague, originally from Ireland, whose French was a bit less
than fluent. He claimed to be bilingual on the strength of his Gaelic,
and none of us was in a position to dispute the claim -- not that we
wanted to; he was an excellent fellow.

On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 5:08:30 PM UTC-4, Quinn C wrote:
> * Peter T. Daniels:
> > On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 10:46:30 AM UTC-4, CDB wrote:
> >> On 5/11/2022 10:13 AM, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> >>> CDB wrote:
> >>>> Sam Plusnet wrote:
> >>>>> Richard Heathfield wrote:
> >>>>>> Sam Plusnet wrote:
> >>>>>>> CDB wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Sam Plusnet wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> CDB wrote:

> >>>>>>>>>> When he was a young man courting the girls, he played
> >>>>>>>>>> him a waiting game.
> >>>>>>>>> Courting... Tennis, or legal?
> >>>>>>>> Courting, tout court. So to speak. He'd let the old earth
> >>>>>>>> take a couple of whirls.
> >>>>>>> D@mn hard to stop it doing that - unless...
> >>>>>>> https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0043456/
> >>>>>> https://xkcd.com/162/
> >>>>> And they say romance is dead.
> >>>> It's all fun until somebody throws up.
> >>> Somebody didn't look at the roll-over text.
> >> Then how did anybody think of the question?
> > Seems a fairly obvious concern with a young person spinning
> > around for a long time.
>
> But not with an older person?

See who's depicted in the drawing.

> Are we all supposed to get used to it,
> without anti-twisties training?

Dervishes do it.

On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 7:36:42 PM UTC-4, Mark Brader wrote:
> Ken Blake:
> > Quinn:
> >> bill:

[Brader's screwing with the attributions repaired]
> >>> The story when she [Mary Simon] was appointed was more about
> >>> her being the first aboriginal person named to the post [of
> >>> Governor-General] than what languages she spoke.
> >> It should be noted that she speaks two languages of Canada, even if one
> >> isn't official throughout the country.
> > What is the other one besides English and French?
>
> Inuktitut (which I suppose we would have called Eskimo when I was
> a boy). Her name in Inuktitut is Ningiukadlak.

Inuktitut is one of ten Eskimo languages.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eskimo%E2%80%93Aleut_languages#Internal_classification

On Wed, 11 May 2022 18:36:33 -0500, msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) wrote:

>William Boei:
>>>> The story when she [Mary Simon] was appointed was more about
>>>> her being the first aboriginal person named to the post [of
>>>> Governor-General] than what languages she spoke.
>
>"Quinn":
>>> It should be noted that she speaks two languages of Canada, even if one
>>> isn't official throughout the country.
>
>Ken Blake:
>> What is the other one besides English and French?
>
>Inuktitut (which I suppose we would have called Eskimo when I was
>a boy). Her name in Inuktitut is Ningiukadlak.

Thanks for the info.

* Peter T. Daniels:

> On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 5:08:30 PM UTC-4, Quinn C wrote:
>> * Peter T. Daniels:
>>> On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 10:46:30 AM UTC-4, CDB wrote:
>>>> On 5/11/2022 10:13 AM, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>>>>> CDB wrote:
>>>>>> Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>>>>> Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>>>>>>> Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>>>>>>> CDB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> CDB wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> When he was a young man courting the girls, he played
>>>>>>>>>>>> him a waiting game.
>>>>>>>>>>> Courting... Tennis, or legal?
>>>>>>>>>> Courting, tout court. So to speak. He'd let the old earth
>>>>>>>>>> take a couple of whirls.
>>>>>>>>> D@mn hard to stop it doing that - unless...
>>>>>>>>> https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0043456/
>>>>>>>> https://xkcd.com/162/
>>>>>>> And they say romance is dead.
>>>>>> It's all fun until somebody throws up.
>>>>> Somebody didn't look at the roll-over text.
>>>> Then how did anybody think of the question?
>>> Seems a fairly obvious concern with a young person spinning
>>> around for a long time.
>>
>> But not with an older person?
>
> See who's depicted in the drawing.

But why did you find the age relevant to your comment - as opposed to,
for example, gender? Grice, you know.
>> Are we all supposed to get used to it,
>> without anti-twisties training?
>
> Dervishes do it.

Not all that representative for older people in general.

--
We say, 'If any lady or gentleman shall buy this article _____ shall
have it for five dollars.' The blank may be filled with he, she, it,
or they; or in any other manner; and yet the form of the expression
will be too vulgar to be uttered. -- Wkly Jrnl of Commerce (1839)

Den 12-05-2022 kl. 09:58 skrev J. J. Lodder:
> Anders D. Nygaard <news2012adn@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Den 10-05-2022 kl. 21:29 skrev Sam Plusnet:
>>> On 08-May-22 22:42, Tony Cooper wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 8 May 2022 22:25:38 +0200, "Anders D. Nygaard"
>>>> <news2012adn@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Den 08-05-2022 kl. 00:39 skrev Tony Cooper:
>>>>>> In the US, we have Cabinet secretaries instead of Ministers.
>>>>>
>>>>> You had me confused there for a moment.
>>>>> My first thought was that this is a distinction without a difference,
>>>>> but when I tried to look it up, I found that British cabinet secretaries
>>>>> are senior civil servants - which surely is not what you intended.
>>>
>>> Slow follow up to this, but the UK does not have "Cabinet Secretaries".
>>> We have _a_ Cabinet Secretary (i.e. the Secretary to the Cabinet) -
>>> who is also the head of the civil service.
>>
>> My bad. I read too quickly, and confused it with Danish
>> "departementschef", of which there is one per ministry.
>> They do not, AFAIU, have a boss

.... who is also a civil servant.

>, but the one serving
>> the Prime Minister is "primus inter pares".
>>
>> Looking up Sir Humphrey Appleby, I see that the proper analogue
>> for "departementschef" is Permanent Secretary.
>
> A 'secretaris generaal' for the Dutch.
> And of course he has a boss, in first instance his minister.
> Every civil servants has a boss.
> The SG are appointed by the council of ministers,
> and they are of course also responsible to that council,

/Anders, Denmark

CDB was thinking very hard :

> In all fairness, I haven't whirled until I fell down since I was twelve,
> outside on the summer lawn . I suspect the same would be true for many
> here. I never threw up. The trick is to unfocus your eyes.

Or to spot. I can still do the latter with a hint of competence, but I
was no Edward Villella.

/dps

--
You could try being nicer and politer
> instead, and see how that works out.
-- Katy Jennison

On 5/12/2022 11:23 AM, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> Mark Brader wrote:
>> Ken Blake:
>>> Quinn:
>>>> bill:

> [Brader's screwing with the attributions repaired]
>>>>> The story when she [Mary Simon] was appointed was more about
>>>>> her being the first aboriginal person named to the post [of
>>>>> Governor-General] than what languages she spoke.
>>>> It should be noted that she speaks two languages of Canada,
>>>> even if one isn't official throughout the country.
>>> What is the other one besides English and French?

>> Inuktitut (which I suppose we would have called Eskimo when I was
>> a boy). Her name in Inuktitut is Ningiukadlak.

> Inuktitut is one of ten Eskimo languages.

We had a visitor from Alaska here, years ago, who favoured "Eskimo" as
the general term for the broad category.

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eskimo%E2%80%93Aleut_languages#Internal_classification

Acording
>
>
to your article, it is the language spoken in Canada by almost
all Inuit.

Anders D. Nygaard <news2012adn@gmail.com> wrote:

> Den 12-05-2022 kl. 09:58 skrev J. J. Lodder:
> > Anders D. Nygaard <news2012adn@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Den 10-05-2022 kl. 21:29 skrev Sam Plusnet:
> >>> On 08-May-22 22:42, Tony Cooper wrote:
> >>>> On Sun, 8 May 2022 22:25:38 +0200, "Anders D. Nygaard"
> >>>> <news2012adn@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Den 08-05-2022 kl. 00:39 skrev Tony Cooper:
> >>>>>> In the US, we have Cabinet secretaries instead of Ministers.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You had me confused there for a moment.
> >>>>> My first thought was that this is a distinction without a difference,
> >>>>> but when I tried to look it up, I found that British cabinet secretaries
> >>>>> are senior civil servants - which surely is not what you intended.
> >>>
> >>> Slow follow up to this, but the UK does not have "Cabinet Secretaries".
> >>> We have _a_ Cabinet Secretary (i.e. the Secretary to the Cabinet) -
> >>> who is also the head of the civil service.
> >>
> >> My bad. I read too quickly, and confused it with Danish
> >> "departementschef", of which there is one per ministry.
> >> They do not, AFAIU, have a boss
>
> ... who is also a civil servant.

An empty addition, unless you allow for an infinity of them,

Jan

On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 5:45:17 PM UTC-4, Quinn C wrote:
> * Peter T. Daniels:
> > On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 5:08:30 PM UTC-4, Quinn C wrote:
> >> * Peter T. Daniels:
> >>> On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 10:46:30 AM UTC-4, CDB wrote:
> >>>> On 5/11/2022 10:13 AM, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> >>>>> CDB wrote:
> >>>>>> Sam Plusnet wrote:
> >>>>>>> Richard Heathfield wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Sam Plusnet wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> CDB wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Sam Plusnet wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> CDB wrote:

> >>>>>>>>>>>> When he was a young man courting the girls, he played
> >>>>>>>>>>>> him a waiting game.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Courting... Tennis, or legal?
> >>>>>>>>>> Courting, tout court. So to speak. He'd let the old earth
> >>>>>>>>>> take a couple of whirls.
> >>>>>>>>> D@mn hard to stop it doing that - unless...
> >>>>>>>>> https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0043456/
> >>>>>>>> https://xkcd.com/162/
> >>>>>>> And they say romance is dead.
> >>>>>> It's all fun until somebody throws up.
> >>>>> Somebody didn't look at the roll-over text.
> >>>> Then how did anybody think of the question?
> >>> Seems a fairly obvious concern with a young person spinning
> >>> around for a long time.
> >> But not with an older person?
> > See who's depicted in the drawing.
>
> But why did you find the age relevant to your comment - as opposed to,
> for example, gender? Grice, you know.

In your experience, what sort of person spins around until they
fall down or throw up? Gender has nothing to do with it, since
little boys, little girls, and presumably little inters also do it for fun.

> >> Are we all supposed to get used to it,
> >> without anti-twisties training?
> > Dervishes do it.
>
> Not all that representative for older people in general.

One begins to see why some people say they don't want to play with
you any more. You're waxing Cooperish.

On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 6:53:53 AM UTC-4, CDB wrote:
> On 5/12/2022 11:23 AM, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > Mark Brader wrote:
> >> Ken Blake:
> >>> Quinn:
> >>>> bill:

[Brader's screwing with the attributions repaired]
> >>>>> The story when she [Mary Simon] was appointed was more about
> >>>>> her being the first aboriginal person named to the post [of
> >>>>> Governor-General] than what languages she spoke.
> >>>> It should be noted that she speaks two languages of Canada,
> >>>> even if one isn't official throughout the country.
> >>> What is the other one besides English and French?
> >> Inuktitut (which I suppose we would have called Eskimo when I was
> >> a boy). Her name in Inuktitut is Ningiukadlak.
> > Inuktitut is one of ten Eskimo languages.
>
> We had a visitor from Alaska here, years ago, who favoured "Eskimo" as
> the general term for the broad category.

Maybe a Michael Krauss (U AK Fairbanks) student.

> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eskimo%E2%80%93Aleut_languages#Internal_classification

(Incidentally, the claim that it's some sort of insult -- the "translations"
vary -- in an Algonquian language is apparently false.)

> Acording
> to your article, it is the language spoken in Canada by almost
> all Inuit.

That's how language-naming goes ...

* Peter T. Daniels:

> On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 5:45:17 PM UTC-4, Quinn C wrote:
>> * Peter T. Daniels:
>>> On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 5:08:30 PM UTC-4, Quinn C wrote:
>>>> * Peter T. Daniels:
>>>>> On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 10:46:30 AM UTC-4, CDB wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/11/2022 10:13 AM, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>>>>>>> CDB wrote:
>>>>>>>> Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> CDB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> CDB wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When he was a young man courting the girls, he played
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> him a waiting game.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Courting... Tennis, or legal?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Courting, tout court. So to speak. He'd let the old earth
>>>>>>>>>>>> take a couple of whirls.
>>>>>>>>>>> D@mn hard to stop it doing that - unless...
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0043456/
>>>>>>>>>> https://xkcd.com/162/
>>>>>>>>> And they say romance is dead.
>>>>>>>> It's all fun until somebody throws up.
>>>>>>> Somebody didn't look at the roll-over text.
>>>>>> Then how did anybody think of the question?
>>>>> Seems a fairly obvious concern with a young person spinning
>>>>> around for a long time.
>>>> But not with an older person?
>>> See who's depicted in the drawing.
>>
>> But why did you find the age relevant to your comment - as opposed to,
>> for example, gender? Grice, you know.
>
> In your experience, what sort of person spins around until they
> fall down or throw up? Gender has nothing to do with it, since
> little boys, little girls, and presumably little inters also do it for fun.

Yes - which means people not old enough to talk like the person in the
picture, who I would assume to be in the 16-30 range. But ok, they can
both fall under "young person".

Let's also put aside the mixing of gender and sex terms.

>>>> Are we all supposed to get used to it,
>>>> without anti-twisties training?
>>> Dervishes do it.
>>
>> Not all that representative for older people in general.
>
> One begins to see why some people say they don't want to play with
> you any more. You're waxing Cooperish.

Really? You've now given a reasonable explanation for your linguistic
choice: you wanted to express that an older person would never or almost
never do that in the first place, so they're out of scope.

I might disagree with that, but it's not an absurd position. OTOH, it
wasn't trivially obvious to me, so I asked. The latter seems to be where
the disruption of communication originated.

And to address what you might be alluding to: Even if it's a rare
occurrence, I could disagree with reinforcing the stereotype that older
people don't spin, but that's not an actively harmful stereotype in our
society, so not a big deal, and that's not why I commented.

--
Quinn C
My pronouns are they/them
(or other gender-neutral ones)

On 2022-05-13 04:53, CDB wrote:
> On 5/12/2022 11:23 AM, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>> Mark Brader wrote:
>>> Ken Blake:
>>>> Quinn:
>>>>> bill:
>
>> [Brader's screwing with the attributions repaired]
>>>>>> The story when she [Mary Simon] was appointed was more about
>>>>>>  her being the first aboriginal person named to the post [of
>>>>>>  Governor-General] than what languages she spoke.
>>>>> It should be noted that she speaks two languages of Canada, even if
>>>>> one isn't official throughout the country.
>>>> What is the other one besides English and French?
>
>>> Inuktitut (which I suppose we would have called Eskimo when I was
>>> a boy). Her name in Inuktitut is Ningiukadlak.
>
>> Inuktitut is one of ten Eskimo languages.
>
> We had a visitor from Alaska here, years ago, who favoured "Eskimo" as
> the general term for the broad category.

That would be, if you mean who I think you mean, Floyd Davidson.
I copied the following posting to use when I heard people taking umbrage
at the word 'Eskimo'.

--- begin ---
Subject: Re: How are these jokes supposed to be funny?

Date: 6 Oct 1998 09:55:15 GMT

From: floyd@tanana.polarnet.com (Floyd Davidson)

Reply-To: floyd@ptialaska.net

Organization: __________

Newsgroups: alt.usage.english

Polar <s.meric@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>markenadms@aol.com (MarkenAdms) wrote:

>>Eskimos (who do not like being referred to as Eskimos, by the >>way)
are famously hospitable.

>This has been around a few times. I remember being in Barrow, Alaska
(way, way, up there; on the Chukchi Sea), and tiptoeing carefully around
saying "Inuit" and "Inupiat" (language). Meantime the locals cheerfully
referred to themselves as Eskimos.

The language spoken in northern Alaska is known as "Inupiaq",

which is singular for "Inupiat" which is the word they call

themselves when speaking their language, which is an Inuit

dialect. OK?

Eskimos in Canada and Greenland are Inuit Eskimos, and in

Siberia there are only Yupik Eskimos. But in Alaska, where

Eskimo culture was born... there are both Inuit and Yupik,

which are the two major branches of Eskimo people and languages.

(Unangam people are descended from Eskimos, and their language

is an Eskimo language, but they are not Eskimos because they

have developed into a very distinct culture of their own. Most

people have heard them called Aleuts.)

I have *never* met an Eskimo who did not use that word when

speaking English and referring to all types of Eskimos, and that

includes Canadian Eskimos. I've never met an Eskimo who found

that word insulting either, obviously. Most Yupik Eskimos are

less than amused by people telling them they are not Eskimos,

but Inuit... and those who are not amused are annoyed.

Quyanaqpuk, (Inupiaq)

Quyanakva, (Yupik)

Thank you very much, (English)

Floyd

--

Floyd L. Davidson floyd@ptialaska.net

Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)
--- end ---

Over the past few years, the PC crowd has had enough sway to force at
least one sports team to change its name top /The Edmonton Elks/, and I
have seen evidence of at least _some_ Eskimos jumping on the bandwagon
with the more southern indigenous tribes.

>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eskimo%E2%80%93Aleut_languages#Internal_classification
>
> Acording
> to your article, it is the language spoken in Canada by almost
> all Inuit.

Thanks for that link. I see the article still uses 'Eskimo' in various
places in the article.

On Fri, 13 May 2022 12:14:59 -0400, Quinn C
<lispamateur@crommatograph.info> wrote:

>* Peter T. Daniels:
>
>> On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 5:45:17 PM UTC-4, Quinn C wrote:
>>> * Peter T. Daniels:
>>>> On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 5:08:30 PM UTC-4, Quinn C wrote:
>>>>> * Peter T. Daniels:
>>>>>> On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 10:46:30 AM UTC-4, CDB wrote:
>>>>>>> On 5/11/2022 10:13 AM, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>>>>>>>> CDB wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> CDB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CDB wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When he was a young man courting the girls, he played
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> him a waiting game.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Courting... Tennis, or legal?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Courting, tout court. So to speak. He'd let the old earth
>>>>>>>>>>>>> take a couple of whirls.
>>>>>>>>>>>> D@mn hard to stop it doing that - unless...
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0043456/
>>>>>>>>>>> https://xkcd.com/162/
>>>>>>>>>> And they say romance is dead.
>>>>>>>>> It's all fun until somebody throws up.
>>>>>>>> Somebody didn't look at the roll-over text.
>>>>>>> Then how did anybody think of the question?
>>>>>> Seems a fairly obvious concern with a young person spinning
>>>>>> around for a long time.
>>>>> But not with an older person?
>>>> See who's depicted in the drawing.
>>>
>>> But why did you find the age relevant to your comment - as opposed to,
>>> for example, gender? Grice, you know.
>>
>> In your experience, what sort of person spins around until they
>> fall down or throw up? Gender has nothing to do with it, since
>> little boys, little girls, and presumably little inters also do it for fun.
>
>Yes - which means people not old enough to talk like the person in the
>picture, who I would assume to be in the 16-30 range. But ok, they can
>both fall under "young person".
>
>Let's also put aside the mixing of gender and sex terms.
>
>>>>> Are we all supposed to get used to it,
>>>>> without anti-twisties training?
>>>> Dervishes do it.
>>>
>>> Not all that representative for older people in general.
>>
>> One begins to see why some people say they don't want to play with
>> you any more. You're waxing Cooperish.
>
>Really? You've now given a reasonable explanation for your linguistic
>choice: you wanted to express that an older person would never or almost
>never do that in the first place, so they're out of scope.

I would expect that serious ice skaters who include spins in their
routines practice and learn how to spin without it affecting them.
Admittedly, an ice skater who does such a routine would be probably be
in the younger-age group, though.

>
>I might disagree with that, but it's not an absurd position. OTOH, it
>wasn't trivially obvious to me, so I asked. The latter seems to be where
>the disruption of communication originated.
>
>And to address what you might be alluding to: Even if it's a rare
>occurrence, I could disagree with reinforcing the stereotype that older
>people don't spin, but that's not an actively harmful stereotype in our
>society, so not a big deal, and that's not why I commented.
--

Tony Cooper - Orlando Florida

I read and post to this group as a form of entertainment.