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* Which sentence is better?Peter T. Daniels
+* Re: Which sentence is better?Bebercito
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|  `* Re: Which sentence is better?Anders D. Nygaard
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|       `* Re: Which sentence is better?Peter T. Daniels
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|         `* Re: Which sentence is better?Peter T. Daniels
|          `- Re: Which sentence is better?Bebercito
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+* Re: Which sentence is better?bruce bowser
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||`* Re: Which sentence is better?Lewis
|| `* Re: Which sentence is better?Tony Cooper
||  +* Re: Which sentence is better?Lewis
||  |`- Re: Which sentence is better?Tony Cooper
||  +- Re: Which sentence is better?charles
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||   |  `* Re: Which sentence is better?Sam Plusnet
||   |   `- Re: Which sentence is better?bruce bowser
||   +* Re: Which sentence is better?Tony Cooper
||   |+* Re: Which sentence is better?Lewis
||   ||`- Re: Which sentence is better?lar3ryca
||   |`- Re: Which sentence is better?Ken Blake
||   `* Name changes (was: Which sentence is better?)Quinn C
||    +* Re: Name changes (was: Which sentence is better?)Tony Cooper
||    |`* Re: Name changesQuinn C
||    | `- Re: Name changesTony Cooper
||    +* Re: Name changes (was: Which sentence is better?)Lewis
||    |+- Re: Name changes (was: Which sentence is better?)charles
||    |`* Re: Name changesQuinn C
||    | +* Re: Name changesTony Cooper
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||    | | +* Re: Name changesLewis
||    | | |+* Re: Name changesTony Cooper
||    | | ||`- Re: Name changesKerr-Mudd, John
||    | | |+* Re: Name changeslar3ryca
||    | | ||+- Re: Name changesBebercito
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||    | | || +* Re: Name changesKen Blake
||    | | || |+* Re: Name changesTony Cooper
||    | | || ||`- Re: Name changesAthel Cornish-Bowden
||    | | || |+- Re: Name changesAthel Cornish-Bowden
||    | | || |`- Re: Name changesAnders D. Nygaard
||    | | || `* Re: Name changesSam Plusnet
||    | | ||  `* Re: Name changesPeter T. Daniels
||    | | ||   `- Re: Name changesPeter Moylan
||    | | |+* Re: Name changesPeter Moylan
||    | | ||+* Re: Name changesLewis
||    | | |||`* Re: Name changeslar3ryca
||    | | ||| `* Re: Name changesKen Blake
||    | | |||  `- Re: Name changesSnidely
||    | | ||+* Re: Name changesHibou
||    | | |||+* Re: Name changesRichard Heathfield
||    | | ||||+* Re: Name changesKerr-Mudd, John
||    | | |||||+* Re: Name changesLewis
||    | | ||||||`* Re: Name changesKerr-Mudd, John
||    | | |||||| `* Re: Name changesSnidely
||    | | ||||||  `* Re: Name changesKerr-Mudd, John
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||    | | ||||||    `- Re: Name changesKerr-Mudd, John
||    | | |||||`- Re: Name changesbruce bowser
||    | | ||||`* Re: Name changesAdam Funk
||    | | |||| `* Re: Name changesPeter Moylan
||    | | ||||  `* Re: Name changesSam Plusnet
||    | | ||||   `* Re: Name changesSnidely
||    | | ||||    `* Re: Name changesKerr-Mudd, John
||    | | ||||     +* Re: Name changesSam Plusnet
||    | | ||||     |`* Re: Name changesCDB
||    | | ||||     | `* Re: Name changesPeter Moylan
||    | | ||||     |  `* Re: Name changeslar3ryca
||    | | ||||     |   `- Re: Name changesSam Plusnet
||    | | ||||     `- Re: Name changesbruce bowser
||    | | |||`- Re: Name changesCDB
||    | | ||`* Re: Name changesJanet
||    | | || +* Re: Name changesPeter Moylan
||    | | || |+* Re: Name changesAdam Funk
||    | | || |+* Re: Name changesJanet
||    | | || |+* Re: Name changesKen Blake
||    | | || |`* Re: Name changesLewis
||    | | || +* Re: Name changesPeter T. Daniels
||    | | || `* Re: Name changesKen Blake
||    | | |`* Re: Name changesJerry Friedman
||    | | +* Re: Name changesCDB
||    | | +- Re: Name changesPeter T. Daniels
||    | | `- Re: Name changesKen Blake
||    | +* Re: Name changesAdam Funk
||    | `* Re: Name changesCDB
||    +* Re: Name changes (was: Which sentence is better?)Peter T. Daniels
||    `* Re: Name changes (was: Which sentence is better?)Ken Blake
|`* Re: Which sentence is better?Adam Funk
+* Re: Which sentence is better?Anders D. Nygaard
`- Re: Which sentence is better?Ruud Harmsen

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Re: Name changes

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From: g.kr...@kreme.dont-email.me (Lewis)
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Subject: Re: Name changes
Date: Fri, 13 May 2022 18:15:37 -0000 (UTC)
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 by: Lewis - Fri, 13 May 2022 18:15 UTC

In message <100r7h54p68cjvi34cco6qa5tvst8j5r3o@4ax.com> Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 12 May 2022 21:17:01 -0000 (UTC), Lewis
> <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

>>> She had a credit card, but it bore only my name. She'd been using the
>>> card for some time without a problem, but Hertz (and the other rental
>>> car firms) would only accept a credit card that showed the renter's
>>> name. No one would rent her a car.
>>
>>Interesting. It wasn't until sometime in the 1970s that most banks would
>>even allow women to have checking accounts without their husband's
>>permission, I'm surprised any credit card companies were issuing credit
>>cards in women's names at all.

> I know for a fact that banks in Florida opened checking accounts for
> married women without their husband's permission in 1972.

> We moved to Florida in July, 1972. My job required travel, and I had
> to go on the road right away. My wife opened a checking account under
> both our names. I had to go in a few weeks later and fill out a
> signature card.

In both your names s rather different, however.

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 by: Lewis - Fri, 13 May 2022 18:17 UTC

In message <rck1lixbcn.ln2@news.ducksburg.com> Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> wrote:
> On 2022-05-12, Lewis wrote:

>> I would not be at all surprised if the rental car companies had a
>> specific policy of trying not to rent cars to "women drivers" or

> ...even though (as any insurance company knows) women are on average
> better drivers than men.

They may know that now. Did they in the 1970s? I doubt it.

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 by: Lewis - Fri, 13 May 2022 18:18 UTC

In message <MPG.3ce85dfaf00d32d89896c4@news.individual.net> Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
> In article <slrnt7quad.2vhp.g.kreme@zephyrus.local>, g.kreme@kreme.dont-
> email.me says...

>> Interesting. It wasn't until sometime in the 1970s that most banks would
>> even allow women to have checking accounts without their husband's
>> permission,

> In the USA?

Had you read the next paragraph... yes, in the USA.

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 by: Lewis - Fri, 13 May 2022 18:20 UTC

In message <1dot7uxgezngo.dlg@mid.crommatograph.info> Quinn C <lispamateur@crommatograph.info> wrote:
> * Lewis:

>> In message <2qjyh5ie20kw$.dlg@mid.crommatograph.info> Quinn C <lispamateur@crommatograph.info> wrote:

>>> For more and more younger people, there isn't even a "default way" and
>>> "the exception" any more, but a range of possibilities what two people
>>> could do with their names if they marry.
>> This is just not true. It is still the case that the vast majority of
>> women change their last names when they marry. Sometimes several times
>> if they go through several husbands. The ones who do not are more common
>> than they were, but are still a small percentage

> I tried to find some numbers, first for Germany, to give substance to

To be clear, though you know this, I am not talking about Germany.

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 by: Lewis - Fri, 13 May 2022 18:29 UTC

In message <abmqputjxf9e$.dlg@mid.crommatograph.info> Quinn C <lispamateur@crommatograph.info> wrote:
> * lar3ryca:

>> On 2022-05-12 03:56, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>> On 12/05/2022 6:27 am, Hibou wrote:
>>>> Le 11/05/2022 à 17:40, Ken Blake a écrit :
>>>>> On Wed, 11 May 2022 22:35:18 +1000, Peter Moylan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In AmE, I understand, the only adjective that inflects for gender is
>>>>>> blond/blonde. Strangely this is not a word that inflects for gender
>>>>>> in BrE.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know about BrE, but in AmE, it used to, but very rarely does
>>>>> these days.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it the only adjective that does (did?)? I don't know.
>>>>
>>>> In the past, I think there was an assumption that educated people knew
>>>> French, in Britain at least;
>>>
>>> The assumption is correct. We all learn French at school.
>>
>> Is that true in the UK?
>>
>> In Canada, when I went to school, a language (foreign of course) was
>> mandatory only for those on an academic path, leading to university
>> acceptance. The language could be chosen from any that were offered.
>>
>> I had the choice of French or Latin at the high school nearest me (it
>> was about 5 blocks from my home). I did not want to take either of them,
>> Latin being (in my opinion) useless, and French being, well, French.

> You didn't have to learn French anyway? Now I wonder when that started.

My ,other had to take French in school growing up. Her parents were
horrified to find out that one of the teachers was not French, but
was French-Canadian.

Knowing my grandfather, he probably tried to have the teacher fired.

> It's not a foreign language in my book. It's "the other official
> language".

Anywhere west of Ottawa French is as commonly spoken in Canada as
Swahili and Latin, and far less common than Mandarin or even Japanese.

You can spend all day in Regina, Calgary, or Vancouver and never hear a
word of French. In Vancouver there are far more street signs in Chinese
than in French (there are none in French that I've ever seen).

> My contact with the Canadian school system obviously only started after
> coming here in 2002. Within that experience, all children learn

FSVO of 'learn'

> the other official language from first grade, if not kindergarten.
> Here in Montreal, most have contact with it in day-care or on the
> street even before that.

> But people from other provinces I've talked to about that all had French
> in school, too, often if not always from grade one. Pretty much all of
> these were my age or younger, though, so schooled in the 1970s or later.
> And they're people who were living in Quebec at least temporarily, to
> qualify my sample.

Our first trip to Vancouver I asked quite a lot of people if they spoke
French, I never found anyone who did.

--
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"I think so, Brain, but won't it go straight to my hips?!"

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On 13-May-22 10:11, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> On Thu, 12 May 2022 18:14:38 -0700
> Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Just this Thursday, Kerr-Mudd, John puzzled about:
>>> On Thu, 12 May 2022 05:35:00 -0000 (UTC)
>>> Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In message <20220511083632.58169c7cbc9e737d938caec0@127.0.0.1> Kerr-Mudd,
>>>> John <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 11 May 2022 06:58:05 +0100
>>>>> Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/05/2022 6:55 am, Hibou wrote:
>>>>>>> Le 11/05/2022 à 05:49, Peter Moylan a écrit :
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> French adjectives inflect for gender, so né is masculine and
>>>>>>>> née is
>>>>>>>> feminine. I've seen both forms imported into English - although
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> feminine one is obviously more common - sometimes with and
>>>>>>>> sometimes
>>>>>>>> without the acute accent.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We can say that it's naturalised into English once everyone stops
>>>>>>>> writing the accent.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's difficult to have everyone agree.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, it's not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> You're all individuals!
>>>>
> Did I get the quote wrong?
>
>>>> "You are all individuals."
>>>>
>>>> I'm not!"
>>>>
>>> Yes. And, like sheep, easily lead.
>>
>> Oh, we LIKE sheep!
>>
>> /dps "tip of hat to Georg H"
>>
>>
> okerd critters, thobut.
>

Ovine aviation. Any progress?

--
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On 13-May-22 18:04, lar3ryca wrote:
> On 2022-05-13 06:19, Peter Moylan wrote:
>> On 13/05/22 21:26, CDB wrote:
>>> On 5/12/2022 2:47 PM, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>> John wrote:
>>>>> Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Sam Plusnet wrote :
>>>>>>> Peter Moylan wrote:
>>>>>>>> Adam Funk wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hibou wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It's difficult to have everyone agree.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No, it's not.
>>>
>>>>>>>>> Oh yes it is.
>>>
>>>>>>>> Behind you!
>>>
>>>>>>> Leave my behind out of this.
>>>
>>>>>> He's apt to give you a bum steer.
>>>
>>>>>> /dps "or a welfare queen cow"
>>>
>>>>> Better than a poke in a pig.
>>>
>>>> Unwise, and illegal in many countries.
>>>
>>> Also twisted.
>>
>> Possibly even with a left-hand thread.
>
> Out of the woods comes Dirty old Dick,
> The only man with a corkscrew prick.
> For many long years he continued the hunt
> To find a woman with a corkscrew cunt.
> When he finally found her he shot her dead
> When he found out she had a left-hand thread.

This is far more poetic, and romantic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T90NtwD-sJg

(Misalliance · Flanders & Swann)

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On Fri, 13 May 2022 18:15:37 -0000 (UTC), Lewis
<g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

>In message <100r7h54p68cjvi34cco6qa5tvst8j5r3o@4ax.com> Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 12 May 2022 21:17:01 -0000 (UTC), Lewis
>> <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
>
>>>> She had a credit card, but it bore only my name. She'd been using the
>>>> card for some time without a problem, but Hertz (and the other rental
>>>> car firms) would only accept a credit card that showed the renter's
>>>> name. No one would rent her a car.
>>>
>>>Interesting. It wasn't until sometime in the 1970s that most banks would
>>>even allow women to have checking accounts without their husband's
>>>permission, I'm surprised any credit card companies were issuing credit
>>>cards in women's names at all.
>
>> I know for a fact that banks in Florida opened checking accounts for
>> married women without their husband's permission in 1972.
>
>> We moved to Florida in July, 1972. My job required travel, and I had
>> to go on the road right away. My wife opened a checking account under
>> both our names. I had to go in a few weeks later and fill out a
>> signature card.
>
>In both your names s rather different, however.

The account was opened in both names from the beginning. However,
part of the procedure is each party filling out a signature card. She
filled out hers when she opened the account, and I filled out one
later.

A signature card is something the bank retains in order to compare the
signature on a check or withdrawal form to the one on the signature
card.

I don't know when they started doing this, but the bank can bring up
that signature card on the teller's screen for comparison. The bank
also - now - has a face photo - of each of us that they can bring up
on the screen. They didn't have that ability in 1972.

I have since added our son and daughter as authorized users, and they
have put signature cards on file. They are not shown as account
holders, though.

I added them as a precaution in case my wife and I are incapacitated
for any reason. The estate doesn't have to go through probate for
them to have access to the funds. I also filled out "Pay on death"
forms for the same reason. That's an extra step that allows them to
move money from one sub-account to another. The signature cards
access only the checking account, not the money market account.

Anyone of advanced age - as my wife and I are - should make these sort
of provisions after checking with their bank to see what that bank's
requirements are. It may not be the same with all banks, in all
states, or in all countries. Our provisions are based on our bank's
requirements.

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On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 4:44:00 PM UTC-4, Tony Cooper wrote:
> On Thu, 12 May 2022 12:43:28 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 2:11:31 PM UTC-4, Tony Cooper wrote:
> >> On Thu, 12 May 2022 08:54:27 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
> >> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >> >On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 4:12:57 PM UTC-4, Tony Cooper wrote:
> >> >> On Wed, 11 May 2022 19:32:24 +0100, Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >On 2022-05-11, Tony Cooper wrote:

> >> >> >> We know several women who have retained their last name after marriage
> >> >> >> professionally, but not socially. Technically, their "legal" last
> >> >> >> name is their married last name, but continue to use their previous
> >> >> >> name professionally.
> >> >> >You mean legally the name changes whether the bride wants it to or
> >> >> >not?
> >> >> No. When a woman marries in the US there's no legal reason for her to
> >> >> adopt her husband's last name or to retain her own last name.
> >> >> I put "legal" in quotes because "legal" is used to mean "what's on
> >> >> record". A woman can legally change her name
> >> >In Florida?
> >> Yes. Dunno about New Jersey. Is it different there?
> >Probably. It's different in New York.
> >But as usual, you assert that what holds in Florida is how it is done
> >"in the US."
>
> There is nothing in what I wrote that pertains only to Florida,
> specific to Florida, or is not possible in any state in the US.

You may be able to con some local authorities into changing the name
on your driver's license (seems unlikely), but that is not "legally changing
your name." You also mentioned changing names on accounts with
banks or stores. Those have nothing to do with "legality."

> >> I have a driver's
> >> license issued by the State of Florida. When I vote, I do so at a
> >> Seminole County designated polling site.
> >> Is that not true for you, too?
> >I have never been in Seminole County, Florida, but I have many
> >times written here that no one in New Jersey (or New York or
> >Illinois) is required to produce any sort of identification document
> >at the polling place. One simply signs the book.
>
> What? I didn't say anything about ID at the voting site.

Then why, genius, did you mention "voting" in a sentence adjacent
to the sentence about your driver's license?

Information about the way Florida tries to restrict voting is very
well publicized throughout the US, including requirements for photo ID.

> >> Why is it deserving of comment?
> >Because, as so often, you have made assertions based on local
> >conditions falsely claiming them to be valid throughout the country.
>
> All all valid in the entire US.

You need to learn the meanings of "legally" and "valid."

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 by: Peter T. Daniels - Fri, 13 May 2022 19:48 UTC

On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 5:45:14 PM UTC-4, Tony Cooper wrote:
> On Thu, 12 May 2022 12:43:28 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:

> >> I am sometimes required use my federal Social
> >> Security number as a means of identification.
> >That is illegal. It says so right on your Social Security card.
>
> That is not true. The *card* is not a legal means of identification,
> but the *number* is. You must provide that number to open a bank or
> brokerage account, for example. You provide that number to your
> employer. You may be asked to identify yourself by providing your
> social security number at a bank or brokerage.

That is not "identification." That is because financial institutions are
required to report your income to the IRS using your unique account
number.
> --
> Tony Cooper - Orlando Florida
> I read and post to this group as a form of entertainment.

And almost entirely misinformation.

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 by: bil...@shaw.ca - Fri, 13 May 2022 20:06 UTC

On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 3:38:51 AM UTC-7, Janet wrote:
> In article <fa30bb02-642d-4a71...@googlegroups.com>,
> gram...@verizon.net says...
> >
> > On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 7:48:15 AM UTC-4, Janet wrote:
> > > In article <t5ff9p$qim$1...@dont-email.me>, pe...@pmoylan.org.invalid
> > > says...
> > > > On 11/05/22 12:40, Lewis wrote:
> > > > > In message <t5f13t$b48$1...@dont-email.me> Peter Moylan
> > > > > <pe...@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > > > >> Personally, I see nothing wrong with "Quinn, né Oliver".
> > > > > It would be confusing to anyone who is not a francophone, since the
> > > > > word is née and wtf is né?
> > > > French adjectives inflect for gender, so né is masculine and née is
> > > > feminine. I've seen both forms imported into English - although the
> > > > feminine one is obviously more common - sometimes with and sometimes
> > > > without the acute accent.
> > > > We can say that it's naturalised into English once everyone stops
> > > > writing the accent.
> > >
> > > In BrE, the gender distinction between nee and ne is as commonly
> > > recognised as that between fiancee/fiance. With or without accent.
> > >
> > > Chauffeur/chauffeuse, maitre/maitresse are still recognisable
> >
> > An awful lot of masseurs are being called masseuses these days.
> > (In TV scripts
>
> I've heard and read chanteuse, but not chanteur.
>
That niche in the linguistic food chain may be occupied by "cantor". In some Christian
and Jewish traditions, a cantor leads the chanting.

bill

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On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 8:26:39 AM UTC-7, Ken Blake wrote:
> On Thu, 12 May 2022 05:22:30 -0000 (UTC), Lewis
> <g.k...@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
>
> >In message <t5gai6$ua6$1...@dont-email.me> Peter Moylan <pe...@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:
> >> On 11/05/22 21:48, Janet wrote:
> >>> In article <t5ff9p$qim$1...@dont-email.me>, pe...@pmoylan.org.invalid
> >>> says...
> >>>>
> >>>> On 11/05/22 12:40, Lewis wrote:
> >>>>> In message <t5f13t$b48$1...@dont-email.me> Peter Moylan
> >>>>> <pe...@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>> Personally, I see nothing wrong with "Quinn, né Oliver".
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It would be confusing to anyone who is not a francophone, since
> >>>>> the word is née and wtf is né?
> >>>>
> >>>> French adjectives inflect for gender, so né is masculine and née
> >>>> is feminine. I've seen both forms imported into English - although
> >>>> the feminine one is obviously more common - sometimes with and
> >>>> sometimes without the acute accent.
> >>>>
> >>>> We can say that it's naturalised into English once everyone stops
> >>>> writing the accent.
> >>>
> >>> In BrE, the gender distinction between nee and ne is as commonly
> >>> recognised as that between fiancee/fiance. With or without accent.
> >>>
> >>> Chauffeur/chauffeuse, maitre/maitresse are still recognisable
> >
> >> In AmE, I understand, the only adjective that inflects for gender is
> >> blond/blonde. Strangely this is not a word that inflects for gender in BrE.
> >
> >And I think that is dying out, with 'blonde' becoming the default even for a
> >man with blond hair.

> I agree that it's dying out, but in my experience "blond" is becoming
> the default, not "blonde."

Agreed, but don't you mean it's dyeing out?

bill

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On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 3:47:13 PM UTC-4, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 4:44:00 PM UTC-4, Tony Cooper wrote:
> > On Thu, 12 May 2022 12:43:28 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
> > <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > >On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 2:11:31 PM UTC-4, Tony Cooper wrote:
> > >> On Thu, 12 May 2022 08:54:27 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
> > >> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > >> >On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 4:12:57 PM UTC-4, Tony Cooper wrote:
> > >> >> On Wed, 11 May 2022 19:32:24 +0100, Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com>
> > >> >> wrote:
> > >> >> >On 2022-05-11, Tony Cooper wrote:
>
> > >> >> >> We know several women who have retained their last name after marriage
> > >> >> >> professionally, but not socially. Technically, their "legal" last
> > >> >> >> name is their married last name, but continue to use their previous
> > >> >> >> name professionally.
> > >> >> >You mean legally the name changes whether the bride wants it to or
> > >> >> >not?
> > >> >> No. When a woman marries in the US there's no legal reason for her to
> > >> >> adopt her husband's last name or to retain her own last name.
> > >> >> I put "legal" in quotes because "legal" is used to mean "what's on
> > >> >> record". A woman can legally change her name
> > >> >In Florida?
> > >> Yes. Dunno about New Jersey. Is it different there?
> > >Probably. It's different in New York.
> > >But as usual, you assert that what holds in Florida is how it is done
> > >"in the US."
> >
> > There is nothing in what I wrote that pertains only to Florida,
> > specific to Florida, or is not possible in any state in the US.
>
> You may be able to con some local authorities into changing the name
> on your driver's license (seems unlikely), but that is not "legally changing
> your name." You also mentioned changing names on accounts with
> banks or stores. Those have nothing to do with "legality."
>
> > >> I have a driver's
> > >> license issued by the State of Florida. When I vote, I do so at a
> > >> Seminole County designated polling site.
> > >> Is that not true for you, too?
> > >I have never been in Seminole County, Florida, but I have many
> > >times written here that no one in New Jersey (or New York or
> > >Illinois) is required to produce any sort of identification document
> > >at the polling place. One simply signs the book.
> >
> > What? I didn't say anything about ID at the voting site.
>
> Then why, genius, did you mention "voting" in a sentence adjacent
> to the sentence about your driver's license?
>
> Information about the way Florida tries to restrict voting is very
> well publicized throughout the US, including requirements for photo ID.
>
> > >> Why is it deserving of comment?
> > >Because, as so often, you have made assertions based on local
> > >conditions falsely claiming them to be valid throughout the country.
> >
> > All all valid in the entire US.
>
> You need to learn the meanings of "legally" and "valid."

Really? The two terms have definitions, just look 'em up?

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On Fri, 13 May 2022 12:47:10 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
<grammatim@verizon.net> wrote:

>On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 4:44:00 PM UTC-4, Tony Cooper wrote:
>> On Thu, 12 May 2022 12:43:28 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
>> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> >On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 2:11:31 PM UTC-4, Tony Cooper wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 12 May 2022 08:54:27 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
>> >> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> >> >On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 4:12:57 PM UTC-4, Tony Cooper wrote:
>> >> >> On Wed, 11 May 2022 19:32:24 +0100, Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >On 2022-05-11, Tony Cooper wrote:
>
>> >> >> >> We know several women who have retained their last name after marriage
>> >> >> >> professionally, but not socially. Technically, their "legal" last
>> >> >> >> name is their married last name, but continue to use their previous
>> >> >> >> name professionally.
>> >> >> >You mean legally the name changes whether the bride wants it to or
>> >> >> >not?
>> >> >> No. When a woman marries in the US there's no legal reason for her to
>> >> >> adopt her husband's last name or to retain her own last name.
>> >> >> I put "legal" in quotes because "legal" is used to mean "what's on
>> >> >> record". A woman can legally change her name
>> >> >In Florida?
>> >> Yes. Dunno about New Jersey. Is it different there?
>> >Probably. It's different in New York.
>> >But as usual, you assert that what holds in Florida is how it is done
>> >"in the US."
>>
>> There is nothing in what I wrote that pertains only to Florida,
>> specific to Florida, or is not possible in any state in the US.
>
>You may be able to con some local authorities into changing the name
>on your driver's license (seems unlikely), but that is not "legally changing
>your name." You also mentioned changing names on accounts with
>banks or stores. Those have nothing to do with "legality."
>
What were you reading when you came to the conclusion that I said
anything about legally changing one's name?

I specifically noted that I put "legal" in quotes because "legal" is
used to mean "what's on record". It's still in this post.

When Sally Smith marries John Jones, and applies for a new driver's
licence showing her name as "Sally Jones", that's what's "on record"
at the Department of Motor Vehicles (or her state's version of that
office). That can be important because "Sally Jones" may be the name
on her proof of insurance or the registration of the vehicle.

>> >> I have a driver's
>> >> license issued by the State of Florida. When I vote, I do so at a
>> >> Seminole County designated polling site.
>> >> Is that not true for you, too?
>> >I have never been in Seminole County, Florida, but I have many
>> >times written here that no one in New Jersey (or New York or
>> >Illinois) is required to produce any sort of identification document
>> >at the polling place. One simply signs the book.
>>
>> What? I didn't say anything about ID at the voting site.
>
>Then why, genius, did you mention "voting" in a sentence adjacent
>to the sentence about your driver's license?

Because I thought that anyone of normal intelligence can understand
that two separate actions are described even though they are in the
same general area viewed? Because a driver's license primary function
has nothing to do with voting? Because it is not necessary to have or
provide a driver's license when voting?

Take your pick.

>Information about the way Florida tries to restrict voting is very
>well publicized throughout the US, including requirements for photo ID.

Except that Florida has no such requirement. There is a requirement
to show a photo ID when voting in person, but no photo ID is required
for a mailed-in vote (any registered Floridian can vote by mail) or
required with a vote placed in a ballot box.
>
>> >> Why is it deserving of comment?
>> >Because, as so often, you have made assertions based on local
>> >conditions falsely claiming them to be valid throughout the country.
>>
>> All all valid in the entire US.
>
>You need to learn the meanings of "legally" and "valid."

All examples are also legal.

--

Tony Cooper - Orlando Florida

I read and post to this group as a form of entertainment.

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 by: Tony Cooper - Fri, 13 May 2022 21:41 UTC

On Fri, 13 May 2022 12:48:19 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
<grammatim@verizon.net> wrote:

>On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 5:45:14 PM UTC-4, Tony Cooper wrote:
>> On Thu, 12 May 2022 12:43:28 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
>> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> >> I am sometimes required use my federal Social
>> >> Security number as a means of identification.
>> >That is illegal. It says so right on your Social Security card.
>>
>> That is not true. The *card* is not a legal means of identification,
>> but the *number* is. You must provide that number to open a bank or
>> brokerage account, for example. You provide that number to your
>> employer. You may be asked to identify yourself by providing your
>> social security number at a bank or brokerage.
>
>That is not "identification." That is because financial institutions are
>required to report your income to the IRS using your unique account
>number.

It is most certainly "identification" when you provide that number as
proof that you are the person on the account.

I just did that last week. I made a purchase* at Best Buy but did not
have my Best Buy card with me. I had to enter my full social security
number on the keypad. (The cashier does not see that number and it
reverts to dashes as the correct numbers are entered.) That
identified me to Best Buy's computer system.

While the number does tie in with IRS, it is also used by the credit
card agencies as a means of identifying users. Best Buy's system
wants to know that my card is active, valid, and within their credit
limit and that the person using the card is the person the card is
issued to.

*a Mac laptop as a high school graduation gift for a grandson.

The "Why" it was created is different from the "How" it is used.

>> Tony Cooper - Orlando Florida
>> I read and post to this group as a form of entertainment.
>
>And almost entirely misinformation.

Misinformation seems to be anything you don't understand or
misunderstand. A vast area, indeed.

Did you want to comment on your mistaken use of "illegal"?

--

Tony Cooper - Orlando Florida

I read and post to this group as a form of entertainment.

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 by: bruce bowser - Fri, 13 May 2022 22:23 UTC

On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 5:39:47 PM UTC-4, Tony Cooper wrote:
> On Fri, 13 May 2022 12:47:10 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 4:44:00 PM UTC-4, Tony Cooper wrote:
> >> On Thu, 12 May 2022 12:43:28 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
> >> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >> >On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 2:11:31 PM UTC-4, Tony Cooper wrote:
> >> >> On Thu, 12 May 2022 08:54:27 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
> >> >> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >> >> >On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 4:12:57 PM UTC-4, Tony Cooper wrote:
> >> >> >> On Wed, 11 May 2022 19:32:24 +0100, Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com>
> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> >On 2022-05-11, Tony Cooper wrote:
> >
> >> >> >> >> We know several women who have retained their last name after marriage
> >> >> >> >> professionally, but not socially. Technically, their "legal" last
> >> >> >> >> name is their married last name, but continue to use their previous
> >> >> >> >> name professionally.
> >> >> >> >You mean legally the name changes whether the bride wants it to or
> >> >> >> >not?
> >> >> >> No. When a woman marries in the US there's no legal reason for her to
> >> >> >> adopt her husband's last name or to retain her own last name.
> >> >> >> I put "legal" in quotes because "legal" is used to mean "what's on
> >> >> >> record". A woman can legally change her name
> >> >> >In Florida?
> >> >> Yes. Dunno about New Jersey. Is it different there?
> >> >Probably. It's different in New York.
> >> >But as usual, you assert that what holds in Florida is how it is done
> >> >"in the US."
> >>
> >> There is nothing in what I wrote that pertains only to Florida,
> >> specific to Florida, or is not possible in any state in the US.
> >
> >You may be able to con some local authorities into changing the name
> >on your driver's license (seems unlikely), but that is not "legally changing
> >your name." You also mentioned changing names on accounts with
> >banks or stores. Those have nothing to do with "legality."
> >
>
> What were you reading when you came to the conclusion that I said
> anything about legally changing one's name?
>
> I specifically noted that I put "legal" in quotes because "legal" is
> used to mean "what's on record".

Legal is defined as:

legal adjective
le·​gal | \ ˈlē-gəl \
Definition of legal

(Entry 1 of 2)
1: of or relating to law
She has many legal problems.
2a: deriving authority from or founded on law : DE JURE
a legal government
b: having a formal status derived from law often without a basis in actual fact : TITULAR
a corporation is a legal but not a real person
c: established by law
especially : STATUTORY
the legal test of mental capacity
— K. C. Masteller
3: conforming to or permitted by law or established rules
The referee said it was a legal play.
Fishing in this lake is legal.
4: recognized or made effective by a court of law as distinguished from a court of equity
5: of, relating to, or having the characteristics of the profession of law or of one of its members
a bottle … that some legal friend had sent him
— J. G. Cozzens
6: created by the constructions of the law
A legal fiction is something assumed in law to be a fact regardless of the truth of that assumption.
legal noun

(Entry 2 of 2)
Noun
Definition of legal
: one that conforms to rules or the law

Merriam Webster
-- https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/legal

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 by: Tony Cooper - Fri, 13 May 2022 22:50 UTC

On Fri, 13 May 2022 15:23:12 -0700 (PDT), bruce bowser
<bruce2bowser@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 5:39:47 PM UTC-4, Tony Cooper wrote:
>> On Fri, 13 May 2022 12:47:10 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
>> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>> >On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 4:44:00 PM UTC-4, Tony Cooper wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 12 May 2022 12:43:28 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
>> >> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> >> >On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 2:11:31 PM UTC-4, Tony Cooper wrote:
>> >> >> On Thu, 12 May 2022 08:54:27 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
>> >> >> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> >> >> >On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 4:12:57 PM UTC-4, Tony Cooper wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Wed, 11 May 2022 19:32:24 +0100, Adam Funk <a24...@ducksburg.com>
>> >> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >On 2022-05-11, Tony Cooper wrote:
>> >
>> >> >> >> >> We know several women who have retained their last name after marriage
>> >> >> >> >> professionally, but not socially. Technically, their "legal" last
>> >> >> >> >> name is their married last name, but continue to use their previous
>> >> >> >> >> name professionally.
>> >> >> >> >You mean legally the name changes whether the bride wants it to or
>> >> >> >> >not?
>> >> >> >> No. When a woman marries in the US there's no legal reason for her to
>> >> >> >> adopt her husband's last name or to retain her own last name.
>> >> >> >> I put "legal" in quotes because "legal" is used to mean "what's on
>> >> >> >> record". A woman can legally change her name
>> >> >> >In Florida?
>> >> >> Yes. Dunno about New Jersey. Is it different there?
>> >> >Probably. It's different in New York.
>> >> >But as usual, you assert that what holds in Florida is how it is done
>> >> >"in the US."
>> >>
>> >> There is nothing in what I wrote that pertains only to Florida,
>> >> specific to Florida, or is not possible in any state in the US.
>> >
>> >You may be able to con some local authorities into changing the name
>> >on your driver's license (seems unlikely), but that is not "legally changing
>> >your name." You also mentioned changing names on accounts with
>> >banks or stores. Those have nothing to do with "legality."
>> >
>>
>> What were you reading when you came to the conclusion that I said
>> anything about legally changing one's name?
>>
>> I specifically noted that I put "legal" in quotes because "legal" is
>> used to mean "what's on record".
>
>Legal is defined as:
>

Jesus, Bruce, you think I need dictionary cites to know the word
"legal" means?

However, when the word is put in quotes, and then an explanation is
provided that this use of "legal" is being used to mean "what's on
record", then any idiot should be able to figure out I'm not using the
statutory meaning.

Well, any idiot who isn't living in a well in New Jersey.
--

Tony Cooper - Orlando Florida

I read and post to this group as a form of entertainment.

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 by: Snidely - Sat, 14 May 2022 00:43 UTC

Friday, bil...@shaw.ca quipped:
> On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 8:26:39 AM UTC-7, Ken Blake wrote:
>> On Thu, 12 May 2022 05:22:30 -0000 (UTC), Lewis
>> <g.k...@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
>>
>>> In message <t5gai6$ua6$1...@dont-email.me> Peter Moylan
>>> <pe...@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 11/05/22 21:48, Janet wrote:
>>>>> In article <t5ff9p$qim$1...@dont-email.me>, pe...@pmoylan.org.invalid
>>>>> says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/05/22 12:40, Lewis wrote:
>>>>>>> In message <t5f13t$b48$1...@dont-email.me> Peter Moylan
>>>>>>> <pe...@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Personally, I see nothing wrong with "Quinn, né Oliver".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It would be confusing to anyone who is not a francophone, since
>>>>>>> the word is née and wtf is né?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> French adjectives inflect for gender, so né is masculine and née
>>>>>> is feminine. I've seen both forms imported into English - although
>>>>>> the feminine one is obviously more common - sometimes with and
>>>>>> sometimes without the acute accent.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We can say that it's naturalised into English once everyone stops
>>>>>> writing the accent.
>>>>>
>>>>> In BrE, the gender distinction between nee and ne is as commonly
>>>>> recognised as that between fiancee/fiance. With or without accent.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chauffeur/chauffeuse, maitre/maitresse are still recognisable
>>>> In AmE, I understand, the only adjective that inflects for gender is
>>>> blond/blonde. Strangely this is not a word that inflects for gender in
>>>> BrE.
>>>
>>> And I think that is dying out, with 'blonde' becoming the default even for
>>> a man with blond hair.
>
>> I agree that it's dying out, but in my experience "blond" is becoming
>> the default, not "blonde."
>
> Agreed, but don't you mean it's dyeing out?
>
> bill

Now I need to rinse my eyes.

/dps

--
"Inviting people to laugh with you while you are laughing at yourself
is a good thing to do, You may be a fool but you're the fool in
charge." -- Carl Reiner

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 by: Peter Moylan - Sat, 14 May 2022 02:44 UTC

On 14/05/22 06:06, bil...@shaw.ca wrote:
> On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 3:38:51 AM UTC-7, Janet wrote:

>> I've heard and read chanteuse, but not chanteur.
>>
> That niche in the linguistic food chain may be occupied by "cantor".
> In some Christian and Jewish traditions, a cantor leads the
> chanting.

There's also a French word "cantatrice". I know that word only because
of a play by Ionesco. (La cantatrice chauve, also known as
L'institutrice blonde. And, earlier, L'anglais sans peine.)

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

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 by: Peter Moylan - Sat, 14 May 2022 02:47 UTC

On 13/05/22 23:06, Stefan Ram wrote:
> CDB <bellemarecd@gmail.com> writes:
>> On 5/12/2022 5:45 PM, Quinn C wrote:

>>> In German, sometimes the choice of Masseurin (regular German
>>> feminine form) or Masseuse (imported from French) determines
>>> whether it's a medical massage service or the other kind.
>> Out of purely academic interest, which is which? Did you mean to
>> imply "respectively"?
>
> BTW: In my notes, I have collected some phrases to designate such
> services.
>
> One type might be called: "legitimate massage parlor", "legit massage
> parlor", or "legitimate massage therapy center".
>
> The other type: "non-legit massage parlor".
>
> (My interest is, of course, also only purely academic.)

I recall a time when my interest was more than academic. I had some back
pain and really would have liked a massage. There were a number of
massage parlours in the area, but I couldn't work out which was which,
so I ended up having to live with the pain.

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

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 by: Quinn C - Sat, 14 May 2022 03:27 UTC

* Sam Plusnet:

> On 13-May-22 10:11, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
>> On Thu, 12 May 2022 18:14:38 -0700
>> Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Just this Thursday, Kerr-Mudd, John puzzled about:
>>>> On Thu, 12 May 2022 05:35:00 -0000 (UTC)
>>>> Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In message <20220511083632.58169c7cbc9e737d938caec0@127.0.0.1> Kerr-Mudd,
>>>>> John <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 11 May 2022 06:58:05 +0100
>>>>>> Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 11/05/2022 6:55 am, Hibou wrote:
>>>>>>>> Le 11/05/2022 à 05:49, Peter Moylan a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> French adjectives inflect for gender, so né is masculine and
>>>>>>>>> née is
>>>>>>>>> feminine. I've seen both forms imported into English - although
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> feminine one is obviously more common - sometimes with and
>>>>>>>>> sometimes
>>>>>>>>> without the acute accent.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We can say that it's naturalised into English once everyone stops
>>>>>>>>> writing the accent.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's difficult to have everyone agree.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, it's not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're all individuals!
>>>>>
>> Did I get the quote wrong?
>>
>>>>> "You are all individuals."
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not!"
>>>>>
>>>> Yes. And, like sheep, easily lead.
>>>
>>> Oh, we LIKE sheep!
>>>
>>> /dps "tip of hat to Georg H"
>>>
>>>
>> okerd critters, thobut.
>>
>
> Ovine aviation. Any progress?

Will be solved right after porcine one.

--
- It's the title search for the Rachel property.
Guess who owns it?
- Tell me it's not that bastard Donald Trump.
-- Gilmore Girls, S02E08 (2001)

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 by: Kerr-Mudd, John - Sat, 14 May 2022 09:00 UTC

On Fri, 13 May 2022 20:24:35 +0100
Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

> On 13-May-22 10:11, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> > On Thu, 12 May 2022 18:14:38 -0700
> > Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Just this Thursday, Kerr-Mudd, John puzzled about:
> >>> On Thu, 12 May 2022 05:35:00 -0000 (UTC)
> >>> Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> In message <20220511083632.58169c7cbc9e737d938caec0@127.0.0.1> Kerr-Mudd,
> >>>> John <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> >>>>> On Wed, 11 May 2022 06:58:05 +0100
> >>>>> Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> wrote:
> >>>>>> On 11/05/2022 6:55 am, Hibou wrote:
> >>>>>>> Le 11/05/2022 à 05:49, Peter Moylan a écrit :
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> French adjectives inflect for gender, so né is masculine and
> >>>>>>>> née is
> >>>>>>>> feminine. I've seen both forms imported into English - although
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> feminine one is obviously more common - sometimes with and
> >>>>>>>> sometimes
> >>>>>>>> without the acute accent.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> We can say that it's naturalised into English once everyone stops
> >>>>>>>> writing the accent.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It's difficult to have everyone agree.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> No, it's not.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> You're all individuals!
> >>>>
> > Did I get the quote wrong?
> >
> >>>> "You are all individuals."
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm not!"
> >>>>
> >>> Yes. And, like sheep, easily lead.
> >>
> >> Oh, we LIKE sheep!
> >>
> >> /dps "tip of hat to Georg H"
> >>
> >>
> > okerd critters, thobut.
> >
>
> Ovine aviation. Any progress?
>
Nope, still plummeting.

Air Mouton, vous n'avez pas d'autorisation pour le décollage

(GT)

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 by: Kerr-Mudd, John - Sat, 14 May 2022 11:31 UTC

On Fri, 13 May 2022 17:43:23 -0700
Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:

> Friday, bil...@shaw.ca quipped:
> > On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 8:26:39 AM UTC-7, Ken Blake wrote:
[]
> >
> >> I agree that it's dying out, but in my experience "blond" is becoming
> >> the default, not "blonde."
> >
> > Agreed, but don't you mean it's dyeing out?
> >

I'm glad I resisted now.

[]
>
> Now I need to rinse my eyes.
>

Blue?

--
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On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 5:39:47 PM UTC-4, Tony Cooper wrote:

> What were you reading when you came to the conclusion that I said
> anything about legally changing one's name?
>
> I specifically noted that I put "legal" in quotes because "legal" is
> used to mean "what's on record". It's still in this post.

No, you are not Humpty Dumpty. You don't get to do that.

> >> >> I have a driver's
> >> >> license issued by the State of Florida. When I vote, I do so at a
> >> >> Seminole County designated polling site.
> >> >> Is that not true for you, too?
> >> >I have never been in Seminole County, Florida, but I have many
> >> >times written here that no one in New Jersey (or New York or
> >> >Illinois) is required to produce any sort of identification document
> >> >at the polling place. One simply signs the book.
> >> What? I didn't say anything about ID at the voting site.
> >Then why, genius, did you mention "voting" in a sentence adjacent
> >to the sentence about your driver's license?
>
> Because I thought that anyone of normal intelligence can understand
> that two separate actions are described even though they are in the
> same general area viewed? Because a driver's license primary function
> has nothing to do with voting? Because it is not necessary to have or
> provide a driver's license when voting?

You didn't "think" anything. You merely revealed how incompetent you are
at writing intelligible English. And even though you once looked at a
Wikiparticle about Grice's Maxims, you learned nothing from it.

> Take your pick.
>
> >Information about the way Florida tries to restrict voting is very
> >well publicized throughout the US, including requirements for photo ID.
>
> Except that Florida has no such requirement. There is a requirement
> to show a photo ID when voting in person, but no photo ID is required
> for a mailed-in vote (any registered Floridian can vote by mail) or
> required with a vote placed in a ballot box.

So when you wrote "When I vote, I do so at a Seminole County designated
polling site," you were referring to mailing in your ballot?

Moron.

> >> >> Why is it deserving of comment?
> >> >Because, as so often, you have made assertions based on local
> >> >conditions falsely claiming them to be valid throughout the country.
> >> All all valid in the entire US.
> >You need to learn the meanings of "legally" and "valid."
>
> All examples are also legal.

You need to learn the meanings of "legally" and "valid."
As the bowser said, just look them up.
> --
> Tony Cooper - Orlando Florida
> I read and post to this group as a form of entertainment.

And misinformatin.

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Subject: Re: Name changes
From: gramma...@verizon.net (Peter T. Daniels)
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 by: Peter T. Daniels - Sat, 14 May 2022 14:19 UTC

On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 10:44:21 PM UTC-4, Peter Moylan wrote:
> On 14/05/22 06:06, bil...@shaw.ca wrote:
> > On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 3:38:51 AM UTC-7, Janet wrote:

> >> I've heard and read chanteuse, but not chanteur.
> > That niche in the linguistic food chain may be occupied by "cantor".
> > In some Christian and Jewish traditions, a cantor leads the
> > chanting.
>
> There's also a French word "cantatrice". I know that word only because
> of a play by Ionesco. (La cantatrice chauve, also known as
> L'institutrice blonde. And, earlier, L'anglais sans peine.)

It's published in English as "The Bald Soprano."

(Less entertaining than "Rhinoceros." Of which the film starring
Zero Mostel is well worth seeking out.)

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