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 by: occam - Sat, 14 May 2022 15:17 UTC

Ever in search of new and interesting words in the English language, I
bring you 'Asshat'.

“a stupid, annoying, or detestable person”

<https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/some-notes-on-asshat-word-history>

I know you probably all have several candidates worthy of the word.
However I urge you to use it carefully and sparingly so as not to
diminish its potency. (It's a keeper, as they say in collector circles.)

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 by: spains...@gmail.com - Sat, 14 May 2022 15:30 UTC

On Saturday, May 14, 2022 at 4:17:56 PM UTC+1, occam wrote:
> Ever in search of new and interesting words in the English language, I
> bring you 'Asshat'.
>
> “a stupid, annoying, or detestable person”
>
> <https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/some-notes-on-asshat-word-history>
>
> I know you probably all have several candidates worthy of the word.
> However I urge you to use it carefully and sparingly so as not to
> diminish its potency. (It's a keeper, as they say in collector circles.)

Defined by the Merriam-Webster (junior puerile childishness) dictionary as:

"It takes one to know one".

cf "He who smelt it dealt it".

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 by: Ken Blake - Sat, 14 May 2022 17:25 UTC

On Sat, 14 May 2022 17:17:51 +0200, occam <nobody@nowhere.nix> wrote:

>
>Ever in search of new and interesting words in the English language, I
>bring you 'Asshat'.
>
>“a stupid, annoying, or detestable person”
>
><https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/some-notes-on-asshat-word-history>
>
>I know you probably all have several candidates worthy of the word.

There are a few here in this newsgroup. I have them all killfiled,
with one exception: someone who sometimes makes valuable posts (but
who may soon get killfiled anyway).

>However I urge you to use it carefully and sparingly so as not to
>diminish its potency. (It's a keeper, as they say in collector circles.)

I've never used it and it's unlikely that I ever will.

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 by: Sam Plusnet - Sat, 14 May 2022 19:08 UTC

On 14-May-22 16:17, occam wrote:
>
> Ever in search of new and interesting words in the English language, I
> bring you 'Asshat'.
>
> “a stupid, annoying, or detestable person”
>
> <https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/some-notes-on-asshat-word-history>
>
> I know you probably all have several candidates worthy of the word.
> However I urge you to use it carefully and sparingly so as not to
> diminish its potency. (It's a keeper, as they say in collector circles.)

AmE, but I think it has been around for quite some time.
Evidently one person's neologism is another's old hat.

--
Sam Plusnet

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 by: Ross Clark - Sun, 15 May 2022 00:42 UTC

On 15/05/2022 7:08 a.m., Sam Plusnet wrote:
> On 14-May-22 16:17, occam wrote:
>>
>> Ever in search of new and interesting  words in the English language, I
>> bring you 'Asshat'.
>>
>> “a stupid, annoying, or detestable person”
>>
>> <https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/some-notes-on-asshat-word-history>
>>
>>
>> I know you probably all have several candidates worthy of the word.
>> However I urge you to use it carefully and sparingly so as not to
>> diminish its potency. (It's a keeper, as they say in collector circles.)
>
> AmE, but I think it has been around for quite some time.
> Evidently one person's neologism is another's old hat.
>

Mentioned (and often used) in both a.u.e and sci.lang since about 2006.
Green treats it as a variant of "ass-head", which is centuries old, but
has only one actual citation of "asshat" (as (probably US) "campus
slang", 2003). OED 2002, 2015. Note that in the old form "ass" referred
to the quadruped, not the body part. If the US term is related, there
has been a semantic reinterpretation.

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 by: lar3ryca - Sun, 15 May 2022 03:16 UTC

On 2022-05-14 18:42, Ross Clark wrote:
> On 15/05/2022 7:08 a.m., Sam Plusnet wrote:
>> On 14-May-22 16:17, occam wrote:
>>>
>>> Ever in search of new and interesting  words in the English language, I
>>> bring you 'Asshat'.
>>>
>>> “a stupid, annoying, or detestable person”
>>>
>>> <https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/some-notes-on-asshat-word-history>
>>>
>>>
>>> I know you probably all have several candidates worthy of the word.
>>> However I urge you to use it carefully and sparingly so as not to
>>> diminish its potency. (It's a keeper, as they say in collector circles.)
>>
>> AmE, but I think it has been around for quite some time.
>> Evidently one person's neologism is another's old hat.
>>
>
> Mentioned (and often used) in both a.u.e and sci.lang since about 2006.
> Green treats it as a variant of "ass-head", which is centuries old, but
> has only one actual citation of "asshat" (as (probably US) "campus
> slang", 2003). OED 2002, 2015. Note that in the old form "ass" referred
> to the quadruped, not the body part. If the US term is related, there
> has been a semantic reinterpretation.

I would be willing to bet that 99% of Americans and Canadians would not
think of a donkey when they hear the word 'ass'.

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 by: Peter Moylan - Sun, 15 May 2022 03:51 UTC

On 15/05/22 01:17, occam wrote:
>
> Ever in search of new and interesting words in the English language, I
> bring you 'Asshat'.
>
> “a stupid, annoying, or detestable person”
>
> <https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/some-notes-on-asshat-word-history>
>
> I know you probably all have several candidates worthy of the word.
> However I urge you to use it carefully and sparingly so as not to
> diminish its potency. (It's a keeper, as they say in collector circles.)

A more potent version has a space in it: as shat.

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

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 by: Paul Carmichael - Sun, 15 May 2022 09:42 UTC

El Sat, 14 May 2022 21:16:01 -0600, lar3ryca escribió:

> I would be willing to bet that 99% of Americans and Canadians would not
> think of a donkey when they hear the word 'ass'.

S'funny. Takes my mind straight to Midsummer Night's Dream. But ironic
that the name of the ass is Bottom.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Midsummer_Night%27s_Dream#/media/
File:Augustins_-_La_Folie_de_Titania_-
_Paul_Jean_Gervais_1897_2004_1_188.jpg

--
Paul.

https://paulc.es/elpatio

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 by: Madhu - Sun, 15 May 2022 10:50 UTC

* Ross Clark <t5pi8v$dqp$1 @dont-email.me> :
Wrote on Sun, 15 May 2022 12:42:01 +1200:
> On 15/05/2022 7:08 a.m., Sam Plusnet wrote:
>> AmE, but I think it has been around for quite some time.
>> Evidently one person's neologism is another's old hat.
> Mentioned (and often used) in both a.u.e and sci.lang since about 2006.

On aue I think you could filter out a large chunk of Lewis'
republican-rant posts using the keyword "asshat"

> Green treats it as a variant of "ass-head", which is centuries old,
> but has only one actual citation of "asshat" (as (probably US) "campus
> slang", 2003). OED 2002, 2015. Note that in the old form "ass"
> referred to the quadruped, not the body part. If the US term is
> related, there has been a semantic reinterpretation.

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 by: CDB - Sun, 15 May 2022 11:27 UTC

On 5/14/2022 11:51 PM, Peter Moylan wrote:
> occam wrote:

>> Ever in search of new and interesting words in the English
>> language, I bring you 'Asshat'.

>> “a stupid, annoying, or detestable person”

>> <https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/some-notes-on-asshat-word-history>
>> I know you probably all have several candidates worthy of the
>> word. However I urge you to use it carefully and sparingly so as
>> not to diminish its potency. (It's a keeper, as they say in
>> collector circles.)

> A more potent version has a space in it: as shat.

On a slightly related note, I was watching an episode of _Capitaine
Marleau_, a French gendarmerie-procedural, the other day, and noticed
someone using the expression "votre image tout craché", lending a little
more weight to the idea that our expression should probably be "spitten
image".

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 by: occam - Sun, 15 May 2022 11:54 UTC

On 15/05/2022 11:42, Paul Carmichael wrote:
> El Sat, 14 May 2022 21:16:01 -0600, lar3ryca escribió:
>
>> I would be willing to bet that 99% of Americans and Canadians would not
>> think of a donkey when they hear the word 'ass'.
>
>
> S'funny. Takes my mind straight to Midsummer Night's Dream. But ironic
> that the name of the ass is Bottom.
>

Is it irony if the ass is intentionally named 'Bottom' by Shakespeare?

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 by: Peter Moylan - Sun, 15 May 2022 12:29 UTC

On 15/05/22 21:27, CDB wrote:
>
> On a slightly related note, I was watching an episode of _Capitaine
> Marleau_, a French gendarmerie-procedural, the other day, and
> noticed someone using the expression "votre image tout craché",
> lending a little more weight to the idea that our expression should
> probably be "spitten image".

I've met that in French more than once.

It used to be my contention that the English version is and always was
"spitten image", and that "spitting image" derives from a mishearing of
the original. It seems that I was wrong, though, because other sources
say that "spit and image" was the original, and "spitten image" came
later. (And "spitting image" even later.)

This site
https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/spitting-image.html
has a quote from a 1689 play: "Poor child! he's as like his own dadda as
if he were spit out of his mouth."

The same site gives a Norwegian version, som snytt ut av nesen paa, but
that refers to nasal mucus.

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

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 by: Peter T. Daniels - Sun, 15 May 2022 13:55 UTC

On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 5:42:26 AM UTC-4, Paul Carmichael wrote:
> El Sat, 14 May 2022 21:16:01 -0600, lar3ryca escribió:
>
> > I would be willing to bet that 99% of Americans and Canadians would not
> > think of a donkey when they hear the word 'ass'.
> S'funny. Takes my mind straight to Midsummer Night's Dream. But ironic
> that the name of the ass is Bottom.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Midsummer_Night%27s_Dream#/media/
> File:Augustins_-_La_Folie_de_Titania_-
> _Paul_Jean_Gervais_1897_2004_1_188.jpg

And Palm Sunday. "A colt, the foal of an ass."

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 by: lar3ryca - Sun, 15 May 2022 13:59 UTC

On 2022-05-15 06:29, Peter Moylan wrote:
> On 15/05/22 21:27, CDB wrote:
>>
>> On a slightly related note, I was watching an episode of _Capitaine
>> Marleau_, a French gendarmerie-procedural, the other day, and
>> noticed someone using the expression "votre image tout craché",
>> lending a little more weight to the idea that our expression should
>> probably be "spitten image".
>
> I've met that in French more than once.
>
> It used to be my contention that the English version is and always was
> "spitten image", and that "spitting image" derives from a mishearing of
> the original. It seems that I was wrong, though, because other sources
> say that "spit and image" was the original, and "spitten image" came
> later. (And "spitting image" even later.)
>
> This site
>    https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/spitting-image.html
> has a quote from a 1689 play: "Poor child! he's as like his own dadda as
> if he were spit out of his mouth."
>
> The same site gives a Norwegian version, som snytt ut av nesen paa, but
> that refers to nasal mucus.

As usual, I can noodle out the meaning of the Norwegian words a lot
more easily than French words, and I don't know any Norwegian at all.

Here's a little ditty the young kids like.

When you're kissin' with your honey,
And your nose is kinda runny,
And you think it's kinda funny,
Well it's snot!

--
The past tense of William Shakespeare is Wouldiwas Shookspeared.

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* lar3ryca <t5r0vg$dpi$1 @dont-email.me> :
Wrote on Sun, 15 May 2022 07:59:11 -0600:
> On 2022-05-15 06:29, Peter Moylan wrote:
>> I've met that in French more than once.
>> It used to be my contention that the English version is and always
>> was
>> "spitten image", and that "spitting image" derives from a mishearing of
>> the original. It seems that I was wrong, though, because other sources
>> say that "spit and image" was the original, and "spitten image" came
>> later. (And "spitting image" even later.)
>> This site
>>    https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/spitting-image.html
>> has a quote from a 1689 play: "Poor child! he's as like his own dadda as
>> if he were spit out of his mouth."
>> The same site gives a Norwegian version, som snytt ut av nesen paa,
>> but
>> that refers to nasal mucus.
>
> As usual, I can noodle out the meaning of the Norwegian words a lot
> more easily than French words, and I don't know any Norwegian at all.
>
> Here's a little ditty the young kids like.
>
> When you're kissin' with your honey,
> And your nose is kinda runny,
> And you think it's kinda funny,
> Well it's snot!

What's the connection between Richard Stallman and Marquis de Sade

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 by: Paul Carmichael - Sun, 15 May 2022 14:24 UTC

El Sun, 15 May 2022 13:54:23 +0200, occam escribió:

> On 15/05/2022 11:42, Paul Carmichael wrote:
>> El Sat, 14 May 2022 21:16:01 -0600, lar3ryca escribió:
>>
>>> I would be willing to bet that 99% of Americans and Canadians would
>>> not think of a donkey when they hear the word 'ass'.
>>
>>
>> S'funny. Takes my mind straight to Midsummer Night's Dream. But ironic
>> that the name of the ass is Bottom.
>>
>>
> Is it irony if the ass is intentionally named 'Bottom' by Shakespeare?

Do you think that he named his characters after writing the play?

--
Paul.

https://paulc.es/elpatio

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 by: Athel Cornish-Bowden - Sun, 15 May 2022 14:53 UTC

On 2022-05-15 11:27:52 +0000, CDB said:

> On 5/14/2022 11:51 PM, Peter Moylan wrote:
>> occam wrote:
>
>>> Ever in search of new and interesting words in the English
>>> language, I bring you 'Asshat'.
>
>>> “a stupid, annoying, or detestable person”
>
>>> <https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/some-notes-on-asshat-word-history>
>>>
>>> I know you probably all have several candidates worthy of the
>>> word. However I urge you to use it carefully and sparingly so as
>>> not to diminish its potency. (It's a keeper, as they say in
>>> collector circles.)
>
>> A more potent version has a space in it: as shat.
>
> On a slightly related note, I was watching an episode of _Capitaine
> Marleau_, a French gendarmerie-procedural,

We find it almost unwatchable. It's one thing to have the main
detective look a bit unconventional, but it's another to take it to an
extreme.

> the other day, and noticed
> someone using the expression "votre image tout craché", lending a little
> more weight to the idea that our expression should probably be "spitten
> image".

--
Athel -- French and British, living mainly in England until 1987.

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 by: Ken Blake - Sun, 15 May 2022 15:43 UTC

On Sat, 14 May 2022 21:16:01 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:

>On 2022-05-14 18:42, Ross Clark wrote:
>> On 15/05/2022 7:08 a.m., Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>> On 14-May-22 16:17, occam wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ever in search of new and interesting  words in the English language, I
>>>> bring you 'Asshat'.
>>>>
>>>> “a stupid, annoying, or detestable person”
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/some-notes-on-asshat-word-history>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I know you probably all have several candidates worthy of the word.
>>>> However I urge you to use it carefully and sparingly so as not to
>>>> diminish its potency. (It's a keeper, as they say in collector circles.)
>>>
>>> AmE, but I think it has been around for quite some time.
>>> Evidently one person's neologism is another's old hat.
>>>
>>
>> Mentioned (and often used) in both a.u.e and sci.lang since about 2006.
>> Green treats it as a variant of "ass-head", which is centuries old, but
>> has only one actual citation of "asshat" (as (probably US) "campus
>> slang", 2003). OED 2002, 2015. Note that in the old form "ass" referred
>> to the quadruped, not the body part. If the US term is related, there
>> has been a semantic reinterpretation.
>
>I would be willing to bet that 99% of Americans and Canadians would not
>think of a donkey when they hear the word 'ass'.

Whether I would or not depends entirely on the context of the sentence
it's used in. The same is probably true of 99% of Americans and
Canadians.

Shove it up your ass.

There was an ass in the stable along with the horses.

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 by: Ken Blake - Sun, 15 May 2022 15:47 UTC

On Sun, 15 May 2022 07:59:11 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:

>On 2022-05-15 06:29, Peter Moylan wrote:
>> On 15/05/22 21:27, CDB wrote:
>>>
>>> On a slightly related note, I was watching an episode of _Capitaine
>>> Marleau_, a French gendarmerie-procedural, the other day, and
>>> noticed someone using the expression "votre image tout craché",
>>> lending a little more weight to the idea that our expression should
>>> probably be "spitten image".
>>
>> I've met that in French more than once.
>>
>> It used to be my contention that the English version is and always was
>> "spitten image", and that "spitting image" derives from a mishearing of
>> the original. It seems that I was wrong, though, because other sources
>> say that "spit and image" was the original, and "spitten image" came
>> later. (And "spitting image" even later.)
>>
>> This site
>>    https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/spitting-image.html
>> has a quote from a 1689 play: "Poor child! he's as like his own dadda as
>> if he were spit out of his mouth."
>>
>> The same site gives a Norwegian version, som snytt ut av nesen paa, but
>> that refers to nasal mucus.
>
>As usual, I can noodle out the meaning of the Norwegian words a lot
>more easily than French words, and I don't know any Norwegian at all.
>
>Here's a little ditty the young kids like.
>
>When you're kissin' with your honey,
>And your nose is kinda runny,
>And you think it's kinda funny,
>Well it's snot!

Or, from "Iphegenia in Brooklyn," by PDQ Bach:

....
Only he who is running knows.

Run, running nose
....

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 by: lar3ryca - Sun, 15 May 2022 16:18 UTC

On 2022-05-15 09:43, Ken Blake wrote:
> On Sat, 14 May 2022 21:16:01 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-05-14 18:42, Ross Clark wrote:
>>> On 15/05/2022 7:08 a.m., Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>> On 14-May-22 16:17, occam wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Ever in search of new and interesting  words in the English language, I
>>>>> bring you 'Asshat'.
>>>>>
>>>>> “a stupid, annoying, or detestable person”
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/some-notes-on-asshat-word-history>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I know you probably all have several candidates worthy of the word.
>>>>> However I urge you to use it carefully and sparingly so as not to
>>>>> diminish its potency. (It's a keeper, as they say in collector circles.)
>>>>
>>>> AmE, but I think it has been around for quite some time.
>>>> Evidently one person's neologism is another's old hat.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Mentioned (and often used) in both a.u.e and sci.lang since about 2006.
>>> Green treats it as a variant of "ass-head", which is centuries old, but
>>> has only one actual citation of "asshat" (as (probably US) "campus
>>> slang", 2003). OED 2002, 2015. Note that in the old form "ass" referred
>>> to the quadruped, not the body part. If the US term is related, there
>>> has been a semantic reinterpretation.
>>
>> I would be willing to bet that 99% of Americans and Canadians would not
>> think of a donkey when they hear the word 'ass'.
>
>
> Whether I would or not depends entirely on the context of the sentence
> it's used in. The same is probably true of 99% of Americans and
> Canadians.
>
> Shove it up your ass.
>
> There was an ass in the stable along with the horses.

While that is true, how often do you suppose an American or Canadian
would say that, as opposed to "There was a donkey in the stable...".

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 by: Ken Blake - Sun, 15 May 2022 16:35 UTC

On Sun, 15 May 2022 10:18:06 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:

>On 2022-05-15 09:43, Ken Blake wrote:
>> On Sat, 14 May 2022 21:16:01 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-05-14 18:42, Ross Clark wrote:
>>>> On 15/05/2022 7:08 a.m., Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>>> On 14-May-22 16:17, occam wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ever in search of new and interesting  words in the English language, I
>>>>>> bring you 'Asshat'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> “a stupid, annoying, or detestable person”
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/some-notes-on-asshat-word-history>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know you probably all have several candidates worthy of the word.
>>>>>> However I urge you to use it carefully and sparingly so as not to
>>>>>> diminish its potency. (It's a keeper, as they say in collector circles.)
>>>>>
>>>>> AmE, but I think it has been around for quite some time.
>>>>> Evidently one person's neologism is another's old hat.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mentioned (and often used) in both a.u.e and sci.lang since about 2006.
>>>> Green treats it as a variant of "ass-head", which is centuries old, but
>>>> has only one actual citation of "asshat" (as (probably US) "campus
>>>> slang", 2003). OED 2002, 2015. Note that in the old form "ass" referred
>>>> to the quadruped, not the body part. If the US term is related, there
>>>> has been a semantic reinterpretation.
>>>
>>> I would be willing to bet that 99% of Americans and Canadians would not
>>> think of a donkey when they hear the word 'ass'.
>>
>>
>> Whether I would or not depends entirely on the context of the sentence
>> it's used in. The same is probably true of 99% of Americans and
>> Canadians.
>>
>> Shove it up your ass.
>>
>> There was an ass in the stable along with the horses.
>
>While that is true, how often do you suppose an American or Canadian
>would say that, as opposed to "There was a donkey in the stable...".

Seldom. Nevertheless "ass" would be correctly understood by almost
everyone, and that was my point.

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 by: lar3ryca - Sun, 15 May 2022 16:40 UTC

On 2022-05-15 08:07, Madhu wrote:
> * lar3ryca <t5r0vg$dpi$1 @dont-email.me> :
> Wrote on Sun, 15 May 2022 07:59:11 -0600:
>> On 2022-05-15 06:29, Peter Moylan wrote:
>>> I've met that in French more than once.
>>> It used to be my contention that the English version is and always
>>> was
>>> "spitten image", and that "spitting image" derives from a mishearing of
>>> the original. It seems that I was wrong, though, because other sources
>>> say that "spit and image" was the original, and "spitten image" came
>>> later. (And "spitting image" even later.)
>>> This site
>>>    https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/spitting-image.html
>>> has a quote from a 1689 play: "Poor child! he's as like his own dadda as
>>> if he were spit out of his mouth."
>>> The same site gives a Norwegian version, som snytt ut av nesen paa,
>>> but
>>> that refers to nasal mucus.
>>
>> As usual, I can noodle out the meaning of the Norwegian words a lot
>> more easily than French words, and I don't know any Norwegian at all.
>>
>> Here's a little ditty the young kids like.
>>
>> When you're kissin' with your honey,
>> And your nose is kinda runny,
>> And you think it's kinda funny,
>> Well it's snot!
>
> What's the connection between Richard Stallman and Marquis de Sade

Property is theft.

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 by: lar3ryca - Sun, 15 May 2022 16:41 UTC

On 2022-05-15 09:47, Ken Blake wrote:
> On Sun, 15 May 2022 07:59:11 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-05-15 06:29, Peter Moylan wrote:
>>> On 15/05/22 21:27, CDB wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On a slightly related note, I was watching an episode of _Capitaine
>>>> Marleau_, a French gendarmerie-procedural, the other day, and
>>>> noticed someone using the expression "votre image tout craché",
>>>> lending a little more weight to the idea that our expression should
>>>> probably be "spitten image".
>>>
>>> I've met that in French more than once.
>>>
>>> It used to be my contention that the English version is and always was
>>> "spitten image", and that "spitting image" derives from a mishearing of
>>> the original. It seems that I was wrong, though, because other sources
>>> say that "spit and image" was the original, and "spitten image" came
>>> later. (And "spitting image" even later.)
>>>
>>> This site
>>>    https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/spitting-image.html
>>> has a quote from a 1689 play: "Poor child! he's as like his own dadda as
>>> if he were spit out of his mouth."
>>>
>>> The same site gives a Norwegian version, som snytt ut av nesen paa, but
>>> that refers to nasal mucus.
>>
>> As usual, I can noodle out the meaning of the Norwegian words a lot
>> more easily than French words, and I don't know any Norwegian at all.
>>
>> Here's a little ditty the young kids like.
>>
>> When you're kissin' with your honey,
>> And your nose is kinda runny,
>> And you think it's kinda funny,
>> Well it's snot!
>
>
> Or, from "Iphegenia in Brooklyn," by PDQ Bach:
>
> ...
> Only he who is running knows.
>
> Run, running nose

Does your nose run?
Do your feet smell?
Perhaps you are built upside-down.

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 by: lar3ryca - Sun, 15 May 2022 16:50 UTC

On 2022-05-15 10:35, Ken Blake wrote:
> On Sun, 15 May 2022 10:18:06 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-05-15 09:43, Ken Blake wrote:
>>> On Sat, 14 May 2022 21:16:01 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-05-14 18:42, Ross Clark wrote:
>>>>> On 15/05/2022 7:08 a.m., Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>>>> On 14-May-22 16:17, occam wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ever in search of new and interesting  words in the English language, I
>>>>>>> bring you 'Asshat'.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> “a stupid, annoying, or detestable person”
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/some-notes-on-asshat-word-history>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know you probably all have several candidates worthy of the word.
>>>>>>> However I urge you to use it carefully and sparingly so as not to
>>>>>>> diminish its potency. (It's a keeper, as they say in collector circles.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> AmE, but I think it has been around for quite some time.
>>>>>> Evidently one person's neologism is another's old hat.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mentioned (and often used) in both a.u.e and sci.lang since about 2006.
>>>>> Green treats it as a variant of "ass-head", which is centuries old, but
>>>>> has only one actual citation of "asshat" (as (probably US) "campus
>>>>> slang", 2003). OED 2002, 2015. Note that in the old form "ass" referred
>>>>> to the quadruped, not the body part. If the US term is related, there
>>>>> has been a semantic reinterpretation.
>>>>
>>>> I would be willing to bet that 99% of Americans and Canadians would not
>>>> think of a donkey when they hear the word 'ass'.
>>>
>>>
>>> Whether I would or not depends entirely on the context of the sentence
>>> it's used in. The same is probably true of 99% of Americans and
>>> Canadians.
>>>
>>> Shove it up your ass.
>>>
>>> There was an ass in the stable along with the horses.
>>
>> While that is true, how often do you suppose an American or Canadian
>> would say that, as opposed to "There was a donkey in the stable...".
>
>
> Seldom. Nevertheless "ass" would be correctly understood by almost
> everyone, and that was my point.

Again true, but (and I can only speak for myself) that sentence would
cause me some delay in trying to figure out which definition the speaker
meant, as I never call the animal an ass, and for all I know, there may
well have been an undesirable person in the stable.

Re: Asshat

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* lar3ryca <t5radq$kfb$1@dont-email.me> :
Wrote on Sun, 15 May 2022 10:40:24 -0600:
> On 2022-05-15 08:07, Madhu wrote:
>>>
>>> Here's a little ditty the young kids like.
>>>
>>> When you're kissin' with your honey,
>>> And your nose is kinda runny,
>>> And you think it's kinda funny,
>>> Well it's snot!
>> What's the connection between Richard Stallman and Marquis de Sade
[i wanted to phrase that as: "what is .." jeapordy style]

> Property is theft.

https://www.google.co.in/search?hl=en&as_q=%22rms%22%20%22nasal%20sex%22

https://archive.org/stream/SartreJeanPaulLiteraryAndPhilosophicalEssaysCollier1962/Marquis_de_Sade_-_120_Days_of_Sodom_Other_Writings_djvu.txt
C-f search "and with such cleverness"

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