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* the mind withinLazypierrot
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+* Re: the mind withinPeter Moylan
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|  `* Re: the mind withinPeter Moylan
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 by: bruce bowser - Thu, 12 May 2022 19:58 UTC

On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 7:09:24 AM UTC-4, Janet wrote:
> In article <t5hcbd$p23$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Sil...@noncisonopernessuno.it
> says...
> >
> > bruce bowser hat am 11.05.2022 um 23:07 geschrieben:
> > > On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 8:41:12 PM UTC-4, Peter Moylan wrote:
> > >> On 06/05/22 15:28, Lazypierrot wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Usually this cap was white, expressing the conventional purity and
> > >>> delicacy of the mind within.
> > >> That is also why the bride traditionally wears white at a wedding.
> > >>
> > >> We are not told why the groom wears black.
> > >
> > > The point is we are not told why non-pure ladies wear white during weddings.
> >
> >
> > How do you know that a lady wearing white is not a virgin?
>
> A hugely swollen belly is often a clue. Or, deploying her offspring as
> bridesmaids and pages.

Its chauvinism for Judeo Christian weddings not to emphasize everyone wearing white.

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 by: Peter Moylan - Fri, 13 May 2022 00:45 UTC

On 12/05/22 21:19, CDB wrote:
> On 5/11/2022 5:07 PM, bruce bowser wrote:
>> Peter Moylan wrote:
>>> Lazypierrot wrote:
>
>>>> Usually this cap was white, expressing the conventional purity
>>>> and delicacy of the mind within.
>>> That is also why the bride traditionally wears white at a
>>> wedding.
>
>>> We are not told why the groom wears black.
>
>> The point is we are not told why non-pure ladies wear white during
>> weddings.
>
> Some don't. A relative of mine wore blue (strange what one will
> remember - I was seven) because, as I learned later, she and her
> husband had set up housekeeping as soon as he returned from the war,
> and had married only a year or two later.

That is on the way to becoming the norm. At the last wedding I went to,
the bride and groom had been living together for something like seven
years. It took them that long to save enough to pay for the wedding.

My present wife and I bought a house together, and then married three
months later.

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

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* (J. J. Lodder) <1pruhs6.sfdx7jgcib7oN%nospam @de-ster.demon.nl> :
Wrote on Thu, 12 May 2022 16:34:56 +0200:

> It is possible to do better than that.
> Lucrezia Borgia managed to get a legal divorce from the pope

Are you sure she was married to the pope

> on grounds of being virgo intacta,
> while having such a swollen body.

I don't think a divorce holds any water. What counts is an "anullment"
from the va[r]tican. Gwen stefani demonstrated incredible clout over
rome in getting hers so she could remarry, nevermind grown her up kids

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 by: J. J. Lodder - Fri, 13 May 2022 08:47 UTC

Madhu <enometh@meer.net> wrote:

> * (J. J. Lodder) <1pruhs6.sfdx7jgcib7oN%nospam @de-ster.demon.nl> :
> Wrote on Thu, 12 May 2022 16:34:56 +0200:
>
> > It is possible to do better than that.
> > Lucrezia Borgia managed to get a legal divorce from the pope
>
> Are you sure she was married to the pope

Of course she was not, she was his daughter,

Jan

> > on grounds of being virgo intacta,
> > while having such a swollen body.
>
> I don't think a divorce holds any water. What counts is an "anullment"
> from the va[r]tican. Gwen stefani demonstrated incredible clout over
> rome in getting hers so she could remarry, nevermind grown her up kids

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 by: Peter Moylan - Fri, 13 May 2022 10:20 UTC

On 13/05/22 18:47, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Madhu <enometh@meer.net> wrote:
>
>> * (J. J. Lodder) <1pruhs6.sfdx7jgcib7oN%nospam @de-ster.demon.nl>
>> : Wrote on Thu, 12 May 2022 16:34:56 +0200:
>>
>>> It is possible to do better than that. Lucrezia Borgia managed to
>>> get a legal divorce from the pope
>>
>> Are you sure she was married to the pope
>
> Of course she was not, she was his daughter,
>
>>> on grounds of being virgo intacta, while having such a swollen
>>> body.
>>
>> I don't think a divorce holds any water. What counts is an
>> "anullment" from the va[r]tican. Gwen stefani demonstrated
>> incredible clout over rome in getting hers so she could remarry,
>> nevermind grown her up kids

A relative by marriage of mine managed to get two annulments, implying
(I assume) that two lots of children were bastards, because an annulment
is a formal declaration that the marriage never existed. I don't think
there were any children from the third marriage.

The only "incredible clout" that was needed were sufficiently large
donations to the church.

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

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 by: J. J. Lodder - Fri, 13 May 2022 12:18 UTC

Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:

> On 13/05/22 18:47, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > Madhu <enometh@meer.net> wrote:
> >
> >> * (J. J. Lodder) <1pruhs6.sfdx7jgcib7oN%nospam @de-ster.demon.nl>
> >> : Wrote on Thu, 12 May 2022 16:34:56 +0200:
> >>
> >>> It is possible to do better than that. Lucrezia Borgia managed to
> >>> get a legal divorce from the pope
> >>
> >> Are you sure she was married to the pope
> >
> > Of course she was not, she was his daughter,
> >
> >>> on grounds of being virgo intacta, while having such a swollen
> >>> body.
> >>
> >> I don't think a divorce holds any water. What counts is an
> >> "anullment" from the va[r]tican. Gwen stefani demonstrated
> >> incredible clout over rome in getting hers so she could remarry,
> >> nevermind grown her up kids
>
> A relative by marriage of mine managed to get two annulments, implying
> (I assume) that two lots of children were bastards, because an annulment
> is a formal declaration that the marriage never existed. I don't think
> there were any children from the third marriage.
>
> The only "incredible clout" that was needed were sufficiently large
> donations to the church.

As always. In the Middle Ages it worked both ways.
All those kings and dukes and whatever all over Europe
were close blood relatives.
So they would often need papal dispensation to get married,
before they could start thinking about divorce.

The papacy derived both money income and political clout from it all,

Jan

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 by: Snidely - Fri, 13 May 2022 12:37 UTC

J. J. Lodder was thinking very hard :
> Madhu <enometh@meer.net> wrote:
>> * (J. J. Lodder) <1pruhs6.sfdx7jgcib7oN%nospam @de-ster.demon.nl> :

>>> It is possible to do better than that.
>>> Lucrezia Borgia managed to get a legal divorce from the pope
>>
>> Are you sure she was married to the pope
>
> Of course she was not, she was his daughter,

Are you playing Abbott to his Costello?

/dps "first ..."

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future guitar god of the human genome: an allele with undiscovered
virtuosity, currently soloing in obscurity in Mom's garage.
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 by: CDB - Fri, 13 May 2022 12:37 UTC

On 5/12/2022 8:45 PM, Peter Moylan wrote:
> CDB wrote:
>> bruce bowser wrote:
>>> Peter Moylan wrote:
>>>> Lazypierrot wrote:

>>>>> Usually this cap was white, expressing the conventional
>>>>> purity and delicacy of the mind within.
>>>> That is also why the bride traditionally wears white at a
>>>> wedding.

>>>> We are not told why the groom wears black.

>>> The point is we are not told why non-pure ladies wear white
>>> during weddings.

>> Some don't. A relative of mine wore blue (strange what one will
>> remember - I was seven) because, as I learned later, she and her
>> husband had set up housekeeping as soon as he returned from the
>> war, and had married only a year or two later.

> That is on the way to becoming the norm. At the last wedding I went
> to, the bride and groom had been living together for something like
> seven years. It took them that long to save enough to pay for the
> wedding.

Much the same in my relative's case. They married not long after
graduating from McGill.

> My present wife and I bought a house together, and then married
> three months later.

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On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 6:21:00 AM UTC-4, Peter Moylan wrote:
> On 13/05/22 18:47, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > Madhu <eno...@meer.net> wrote:
> >
> >> * (J. J. Lodder) <1pruhs6.sfdx7jgcib7oN%nospam @de-ster.demon.nl>
> >> : Wrote on Thu, 12 May 2022 16:34:56 +0200:
> >>
> >>> It is possible to do better than that. Lucrezia Borgia managed to
> >>> get a legal divorce from the pope
> >>
> >> Are you sure she was married to the pope
> >
> > Of course she was not, she was his daughter,
> >
> >>> on grounds of being virgo intacta, while having such a swollen
> >>> body.
> >>
> >> I don't think a divorce holds any water. What counts is an
> >> "anullment" from the va[r]tican. Gwen stefani demonstrated
> >> incredible clout over rome in getting hers so she could remarry,
> >> nevermind grown her up kids
> A relative by marriage of mine managed to get two annulments, implying
> (I assume) that two lots of children were bastards, because an annulment
> is a formal declaration that the marriage never existed. I don't think
> there were any children from the third marriage.
>
> The only "incredible clout" that was needed were sufficiently large
> donations to the church.

Which church is "the church"? It must sound like it has the most "muscle and connections" of them all.

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 by: Silvano - Fri, 13 May 2022 19:03 UTC

bruce bowser hat am 13.05.2022 um 19:15 geschrieben:
> On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 6:21:00 AM UTC-4, Peter Moylan wrote:
>> On 13/05/22 18:47, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>> Madhu <eno...@meer.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> * (J. J. Lodder) <1pruhs6.sfdx7jgcib7oN%nospam @de-ster.demon.nl>
>>>> : Wrote on Thu, 12 May 2022 16:34:56 +0200:
>>>>
>>>>> It is possible to do better than that. Lucrezia Borgia managed to
>>>>> get a legal divorce from the pope
>>>>
>>>> Are you sure she was married to the pope
>>>
>>> Of course she was not, she was his daughter,
>>>
>>>>> on grounds of being virgo intacta, while having such a swollen
>>>>> body.
>>>>
>>>> I don't think a divorce holds any water. What counts is an
>>>> "anullment" from the va[r]tican. Gwen stefani demonstrated
>>>> incredible clout over rome in getting hers so she could remarry,
>>>> nevermind grown her up kids
>> A relative by marriage of mine managed to get two annulments, implying
>> (I assume) that two lots of children were bastards, because an annulment
>> is a formal declaration that the marriage never existed. I don't think
>> there were any children from the third marriage.
>>
>> The only "incredible clout" that was needed were sufficiently large
>> donations to the church.
>
> Which church is "the church"? It must sound like it has the most "muscle and connections" of them all.

It must be the Catholic church. As far as I know, other Christian
denominations do not insist so much on annulments before you can marry
someone else and still be a member of that church.

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 by: Sam Plusnet - Fri, 13 May 2022 19:15 UTC

On 13-May-22 13:18, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 13/05/22 18:47, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>> Madhu <enometh@meer.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> * (J. J. Lodder) <1pruhs6.sfdx7jgcib7oN%nospam @de-ster.demon.nl>
>>>> : Wrote on Thu, 12 May 2022 16:34:56 +0200:
>>>>
>>>>> It is possible to do better than that. Lucrezia Borgia managed to
>>>>> get a legal divorce from the pope
>>>>
>>>> Are you sure she was married to the pope
>>>
>>> Of course she was not, she was his daughter,
>>>
>>>>> on grounds of being virgo intacta, while having such a swollen
>>>>> body.
>>>>
>>>> I don't think a divorce holds any water. What counts is an
>>>> "anullment" from the va[r]tican. Gwen stefani demonstrated
>>>> incredible clout over rome in getting hers so she could remarry,
>>>> nevermind grown her up kids
>>
>> A relative by marriage of mine managed to get two annulments, implying
>> (I assume) that two lots of children were bastards, because an annulment
>> is a formal declaration that the marriage never existed. I don't think
>> there were any children from the third marriage.
>>
>> The only "incredible clout" that was needed were sufficiently large
>> donations to the church.
>
> As always. In the Middle Ages it worked both ways.
> All those kings and dukes and whatever all over Europe
> were close blood relatives.
> So they would often need papal dispensation to get married,
> before they could start thinking about divorce.
>
> The papacy derived both money income and political clout from it all,

You could kidnap a pope and persuade him(or her) to see things your way.

--
Sam Plusnet

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On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 3:03:56 PM UTC-4, Silvano wrote:
> bruce bowser hat am 13.05.2022 um 19:15 geschrieben:
> > On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 6:21:00 AM UTC-4, Peter Moylan wrote:
> >> On 13/05/22 18:47, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> >>> Madhu <eno...@meer.net> wrote:
> >>>> * (J. J. Lodder) <1pruhs6.sfdx7jgcib7oN%nospam @de-ster.demon.nl>
> >>>> : Wrote on Thu, 12 May 2022 16:34:56 +0200:

> >>>>> It is possible to do better than that. Lucrezia Borgia managed to
> >>>>> get a legal divorce from the pope
> >>>> Are you sure she was married to the pope
> >>> Of course she was not, she was his daughter,
> >>>>> on grounds of being virgo intacta, while having such a swollen
> >>>>> body.
> >>>> I don't think a divorce holds any water. What counts is an
> >>>> "anullment" from the va[r]tican. Gwen stefani demonstrated
> >>>> incredible clout over rome in getting hers so she could remarry,
> >>>> nevermind grown her up kids
> >> A relative by marriage of mine managed to get two annulments, implying
> >> (I assume) that two lots of children were bastards, because an annulment
> >> is a formal declaration that the marriage never existed. I don't think
> >> there were any children from the third marriage.
> >> The only "incredible clout" that was needed were sufficiently large
> >> donations to the church.
> > Which church is "the church"? It must sound like it has the most "muscle and connections" of them all.
>
> It must be the Catholic church. As far as I know, other Christian
> denominations do not insist so much on annulments before you can marry
> someone else and still be a member of that church.

Actually, at the time mentioned, there wasn't any other option.

The Eastern or "Orthodox" churches would have no jurisdiction in the matter.

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On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 3:03:56 PM UTC-4, Silvano wrote:
> bruce bowser hat am 13.05.2022 um 19:15 geschrieben:
> > On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 6:21:00 AM UTC-4, Peter Moylan wrote:
> >> On 13/05/22 18:47, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> >>> Madhu <eno...@meer.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> * (J. J. Lodder) <1pruhs6.sfdx7jgcib7oN%nospam @de-ster.demon.nl>
> >>>> : Wrote on Thu, 12 May 2022 16:34:56 +0200:
> >>>>
> >>>>> It is possible to do better than that. Lucrezia Borgia managed to
> >>>>> get a legal divorce from the pope
> >>>>
> >>>> Are you sure she was married to the pope
> >>>
> >>> Of course she was not, she was his daughter,
> >>>
> >>>>> on grounds of being virgo intacta, while having such a swollen
> >>>>> body.
> >>>>
> >>>> I don't think a divorce holds any water. What counts is an
> >>>> "anullment" from the va[r]tican. Gwen stefani demonstrated
> >>>> incredible clout over rome in getting hers so she could remarry,
> >>>> nevermind grown her up kids
> >> A relative by marriage of mine managed to get two annulments, implying
> >> (I assume) that two lots of children were bastards, because an annulment
> >> is a formal declaration that the marriage never existed. I don't think
> >> there were any children from the third marriage.
> >>
> >> The only "incredible clout" that was needed were sufficiently large
> >> donations to the church.
> >
> > Which church is "the church"? It must sound like it has the most "muscle and connections" of them all.
>
> It must be the Catholic church. As far as I know, other Christian
> denominations do not insist so much on annulments before you can marry
> someone else and still be a member of that church.

That's strange. I never heard anything about that.

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 by: Kerr-Mudd, John - Sat, 14 May 2022 08:57 UTC

On Fri, 13 May 2022 20:15:28 +0100
Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

> On 13-May-22 13:18, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >> On 13/05/22 18:47, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> >>> Madhu <enometh@meer.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> * (J. J. Lodder) <1pruhs6.sfdx7jgcib7oN%nospam @de-ster.demon.nl>
> >>>> : Wrote on Thu, 12 May 2022 16:34:56 +0200:
> >>>>
> >>>>> It is possible to do better than that. Lucrezia Borgia managed to
> >>>>> get a legal divorce from the pope
> >>>>
> >>>> Are you sure she was married to the pope
> >>>
> >>> Of course she was not, she was his daughter,
> >>>
> >>>>> on grounds of being virgo intacta, while having such a swollen
> >>>>> body.
> >>>>
> >>>> I don't think a divorce holds any water. What counts is an
> >>>> "anullment" from the va[r]tican. Gwen stefani demonstrated
> >>>> incredible clout over rome in getting hers so she could remarry,
> >>>> nevermind grown her up kids
> >>
> >> A relative by marriage of mine managed to get two annulments, implying
> >> (I assume) that two lots of children were bastards, because an annulment
> >> is a formal declaration that the marriage never existed. I don't think
> >> there were any children from the third marriage.
> >>
> >> The only "incredible clout" that was needed were sufficiently large
> >> donations to the church.
> >
> > As always. In the Middle Ages it worked both ways.
> > All those kings and dukes and whatever all over Europe
> > were close blood relatives.
> > So they would often need papal dispensation to get married,
> > before they could start thinking about divorce.
> >
> > The papacy derived both money income and political clout from it all,
>
> You could kidnap a pope and persuade him(or her) to see things your way.
>
Ah those French!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Clement_V

--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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On 14-May-22 9:57, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> On Fri, 13 May 2022 20:15:28 +0100
> Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>
>> On 13-May-22 13:18, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>> Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 13/05/22 18:47, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>> Madhu <enometh@meer.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> * (J. J. Lodder) <1pruhs6.sfdx7jgcib7oN%nospam @de-ster.demon.nl>
>>>>>> : Wrote on Thu, 12 May 2022 16:34:56 +0200:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is possible to do better than that. Lucrezia Borgia managed to
>>>>>>> get a legal divorce from the pope
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you sure she was married to the pope
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course she was not, she was his daughter,
>>>>>
>>>>>>> on grounds of being virgo intacta, while having such a swollen
>>>>>>> body.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't think a divorce holds any water. What counts is an
>>>>>> "anullment" from the va[r]tican. Gwen stefani demonstrated
>>>>>> incredible clout over rome in getting hers so she could remarry,
>>>>>> nevermind grown her up kids
>>>>
>>>> A relative by marriage of mine managed to get two annulments, implying
>>>> (I assume) that two lots of children were bastards, because an annulment
>>>> is a formal declaration that the marriage never existed. I don't think
>>>> there were any children from the third marriage.
>>>>
>>>> The only "incredible clout" that was needed were sufficiently large
>>>> donations to the church.
>>>
>>> As always. In the Middle Ages it worked both ways.
>>> All those kings and dukes and whatever all over Europe
>>> were close blood relatives.
>>> So they would often need papal dispensation to get married,
>>> before they could start thinking about divorce.
>>>
>>> The papacy derived both money income and political clout from it all,
>>
>> You could kidnap a pope and persuade him(or her) to see things your way.
>>
> Ah those French!
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Clement_V
>
The other technique, if you don't approve of a pope, is to appoint your
own.
Emperor Henry V used both methods at one time or another.

He imprisoned Pope Paschal II in order to get what he wanted.
It worked.
Later, Henry strongly disapproved of the successor (Pope Gelasius II) so
he set up his own Pope (Gregory VIII).

--
Sam Plusnet

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 by: bruce bowser - Sat, 14 May 2022 21:56 UTC

On Saturday, May 14, 2022 at 3:46:26 PM UTC-4, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> On 14-May-22 9:57, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> > On Fri, 13 May 2022 20:15:28 +0100
> > Sam Plusnet <n...@home.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 13-May-22 13:18, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> >>> Peter Moylan <pe...@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 13/05/22 18:47, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> >>>>> Madhu <eno...@meer.net> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> * (J. J. Lodder) <1pruhs6.sfdx7jgcib7oN%nospam @de-ster.demon.nl>
> >>>>>> : Wrote on Thu, 12 May 2022 16:34:56 +0200:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It is possible to do better than that. Lucrezia Borgia managed to
> >>>>>>> get a legal divorce from the pope
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Are you sure she was married to the pope
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Of course she was not, she was his daughter,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> on grounds of being virgo intacta, while having such a swollen
> >>>>>>> body.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I don't think a divorce holds any water. What counts is an
> >>>>>> "anullment" from the va[r]tican. Gwen stefani demonstrated
> >>>>>> incredible clout over rome in getting hers so she could remarry,
> >>>>>> nevermind grown her up kids
> >>>>
> >>>> A relative by marriage of mine managed to get two annulments, implying
> >>>> (I assume) that two lots of children were bastards, because an annulment
> >>>> is a formal declaration that the marriage never existed. I don't think
> >>>> there were any children from the third marriage.
> >>>>
> >>>> The only "incredible clout" that was needed were sufficiently large
> >>>> donations to the church.
> >>>
> >>> As always. In the Middle Ages it worked both ways.
> >>> All those kings and dukes and whatever all over Europe
> >>> were close blood relatives.
> >>> So they would often need papal dispensation to get married,
> >>> before they could start thinking about divorce.
> >>>
> >>> The papacy derived both money income and political clout from it all,
> >>
> >> You could kidnap a pope and persuade him(or her) to see things your way.
> >>
> > Ah those French!
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Clement_V
> >
> The other technique, if you don't approve of a pope, is to appoint your
> own.
> Emperor Henry V used both methods at one time or another.
>
> He imprisoned Pope Paschal II in order to get what he wanted.
> It worked.
> Later, Henry strongly disapproved of the successor (Pope Gelasius II) so
> he set up his own Pope (Gregory VIII).

The Crusades lasted from 1095 to 1291, so the border states could take a little blame for all that.

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On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 5:45:34 PM UTC-7, Peter Moylan wrote:
> On 12/05/22 21:19, CDB wrote:
> > On 5/11/2022 5:07 PM, bruce bowser wrote:
> >> Peter Moylan wrote:
> >>> Lazypierrot wrote:
> >
> >>>> Usually this cap was white, expressing the conventional purity
> >>>> and delicacy of the mind within.
> >>> That is also why the bride traditionally wears white at a
> >>> wedding.
> >
> >>> We are not told why the groom wears black.
> >
> >> The point is we are not told why non-pure ladies wear white during
> >> weddings.
> >
> > Some don't. A relative of mine wore blue (strange what one will
> > remember - I was seven) because, as I learned later, she and her
> > husband had set up housekeeping as soon as he returned from the war,
> > and had married only a year or two later.
> That is on the way to becoming the norm. At the last wedding I went to,
> the bride and groom had been living together for something like seven
> years. It took them that long to save enough to pay for the wedding.
>
> My present wife and I bought a house together, and then married three
> months later.

And I, of course, am living with my ex-wife.

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On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 12:27:13 AM UTC-4, dklei...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 5:45:34 PM UTC-7, Peter Moylan wrote:
> > On 12/05/22 21:19, CDB wrote:
> > > On 5/11/2022 5:07 PM, bruce bowser wrote:
> > >> Peter Moylan wrote:
> > >>> Lazypierrot wrote:
> > >
> > >>>> Usually this cap was white, expressing the conventional purity
> > >>>> and delicacy of the mind within.
> > >>> That is also why the bride traditionally wears white at a
> > >>> wedding.
> > >
> > >>> We are not told why the groom wears black.
> > >
> > >> The point is we are not told why non-pure ladies wear white during
> > >> weddings.
> > >
> > > Some don't. A relative of mine wore blue (strange what one will
> > > remember - I was seven) because, as I learned later, she and her
> > > husband had set up housekeeping as soon as he returned from the war,
> > > and had married only a year or two later.
> > That is on the way to becoming the norm. At the last wedding I went to,
> > the bride and groom had been living together for something like seven
> > years. It took them that long to save enough to pay for the wedding.
> >
> > My present wife and I bought a house together, and then married three
> > months later.
>
> And I, of course, am living with my ex-wife.

And you are declaring this to the world, why?

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bruce bowser was thinking very hard :
> On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 12:27:13 AM UTC-4, dklei...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 5:45:34 PM UTC-7, Peter Moylan wrote:
>>> On 12/05/22 21:19, CDB wrote:
>>>> On 5/11/2022 5:07 PM, bruce bowser wrote:
>>>>> Peter Moylan wrote:
>>>>>> Lazypierrot wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> Usually this cap was white, expressing the conventional purity
>>>>>>> and delicacy of the mind within.
>>>>>> That is also why the bride traditionally wears white at a
>>>>>> wedding.
>>>>
>>>>>> We are not told why the groom wears black.
>>>>> The point is we are not told why non-pure ladies wear white during
>>>>> weddings.
>>>>
>>>> Some don't. A relative of mine wore blue (strange what one will
>>>> remember - I was seven) because, as I learned later, she and her
>>>> husband had set up housekeeping as soon as he returned from the war,
>>>> and had married only a year or two later.
>>> That is on the way to becoming the norm. At the last wedding I went to,
>>> the bride and groom had been living together for something like seven
>>> years. It took them that long to save enough to pay for the wedding.
>>>
>>> My present wife and I bought a house together, and then married three
>>> months later.
>>
>> And I, of course, am living with my ex-wife.
>
> And you are declaring this to the world, why?

Because it's amusing trivia. Remember to get your game card when you
enter.

/dps

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any particular reason, but I have always been glad.
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 by: Joy Beeson - Wed, 25 May 2022 19:05 UTC

On Fri, 13 May 2022 10:45:29 +1000, Peter Moylan
<peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:

> It took them that long to save enough to pay for the wedding.

My mother quoted one of her ancestors as saying "Get married in a
brown dress and have a peg to hang it on."

But that would have been pre-singularity.

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Joy Beeson
joy beeson at centurylink dot net
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