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* CRT in math testbooksPeter T. Daniels
+* Re: CRT in math testbooksspains...@gmail.com
|`* Re: CRT in math testbooksKerr-Mudd, John
| `- Re: CRT in math testbooksQuinn C
+* Re: CRT in math testbooksPeter T. Daniels
|`- Re: CRT in math testbooksAdam Funk
+* Re: CRT in math testbooksTony Cooper
|+* Re: CRT in math testbooksPeter Moylan
||+* Re: CRT in math testbooksLewis
|||`* Re: CRT in math testbooksPeter Moylan
||| +* Re: CRT in math testbooksRichard Heathfield
||| |`- Re: CRT in math testbooksPeter T. Daniels
||| +* Re: CRT in math testbookslar3ryca
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||| | +* Re: CRT in math testbooksSilvano
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||| | |`* Re: CRT in math testbooksPeter Moylan
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||| | |  `* Re: CRT in math testbooksPeter Moylan
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||| |   |    `* Re: CRT in math testbooksTony Cooper
||| |   |     `* Re: CRT in math testbooksRuud Harmsen
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||| |   |      |`* Re: CRT in math testbooksAdam Funk
||| |   |      | +* Re: CRT in math testbooksQuinn C
||| |   |      | |`* Re: CRT in math testbooksRuud Harmsen
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||| |   |      |`- Re: CRT in math testbooksRuud Harmsen
||| |   |      +* Re: CRT in math testbooksPeter T. Daniels
||| |   |      `- Re: CRT in math testbooksTony Cooper
||| |   `* Re: CRT in math testbooksPeter Moylan
||| `* Re: CRT in math testbooksKen Blake
||`* Re: CRT in math testbooksPeter T. Daniels
|+- Re: CRT in math testbooksLewis
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Re: CRT in math testbooks

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 by: lar3ryca - Sat, 14 May 2022 22:50 UTC

On 2022-05-14 15:08, Ken Blake wrote:
> On Sat, 14 May 2022 14:06:37 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>
>> I doubt it very much. I know that ordering coffee in a coffee shop or
>> diner, 'regular' in New York City will get you the equivalent of two
>> teaspoons of sugar and two of those tiny plastic servings of half and
>> half in your coffee.
>
> If you say so. Although I grew up in NYC, I have no memory of that.,
> perhaps because I never ordered it that way.

I didn't say so. Attributions scrambled because of '>' in pasted post.

However, I was in NYC on a course, in the late 60s, and a fellow
classmate ordered 'a regular coffee' at a restaurant, and it came with
cream and sugar already in it. I expressed surprise, and he explained it
to me.

>> This is, apparently, considered excessive
>> elsewhere,
>
> It is to me. I want zero teaspoons of sugar and zero of those tiny
> plastic servings of half and half (or any other milk or cream)

Me too. I also dislike 'flavoured coffee'.

>> there is no grade of Starbucks, which buys
>> whatever is cheap and burns it.
>
> Yes. Especially burning it. To me, despite its enormous popularity,
> it's the world's worst coffee.
> I would rather drink water than Starbucks coffee.

I have said, sevral times, when asked if I wanted to go to Starbucks for
coffee. "No thanks. I don't like my coffee cremated."

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 by: Tony Cooper - Sat, 14 May 2022 23:17 UTC

On Sat, 14 May 2022 16:42:33 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:

>On 2022-05-14 15:25, Tony Cooper wrote:
>> On Sat, 14 May 2022 14:06:37 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> I doubt it very much. I know that ordering coffee in a coffee shop or
>>> diner, 'regular' in New York City will get you the equivalent of two
>>> teaspoons of sugar and two of those tiny plastic servings of half and
>>> half in your coffee. This is, apparently, considered excessive
>>> elsewhere, (1) and I have to order my coffee light and sweet.
>>
>> I have no general objection to hyperbole, but this seems to be
>> excessive. I have never experienced a problem anywhere in the
>> restriction of sugar packets or containers of "creamer". You may have
>> to ask for more, but they will be forthcoming.
>
>Attributions messed up by '>' in the posting I pasted. Just sayin', so
>nobody thinks I said that.
>
>Anyway, I see no hyperbole there. Absent any other restrictions or
>requestsn to the server, ordering a 'regular coffee' in NYC will (or
>would have, when I was last there) get you pretty much what was described.
>

The hyperbole is in the "considered excessive" part.

In my experience, when ordering coffee the cup is brought to the table
or counter and the coffee is poured in the cup by the server. If
cream and sugar is requested, the packets and containers will be
brought with the cup, but the contents will not be added to the cup by
the server.

Where it is pre-added is when a cup of coffee to go is ordered. When
I order a cup to go from a coffee shop or diner, I ask for the cream
and sugar not to be pre-added because I'll do it myself.

--

Tony Cooper - Orlando Florida

I read and post to this group as a form of entertainment.

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 by: Ken Blake - Sat, 14 May 2022 23:20 UTC

On Sat, 14 May 2022 16:50:54 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:

>On 2022-05-14 15:08, Ken Blake wrote:
>> On Sat, 14 May 2022 14:06:37 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> I doubt it very much. I know that ordering coffee in a coffee shop or
>>> diner, 'regular' in New York City will get you the equivalent of two
>>> teaspoons of sugar and two of those tiny plastic servings of half and
>>> half in your coffee.
>>
>> If you say so. Although I grew up in NYC, I have no memory of that.,
>> perhaps because I never ordered it that way.
>
>I didn't say so. Attributions scrambled because of '>' in pasted post.
>
>However, I was in NYC on a course, in the late 60s, and a fellow
>classmate ordered 'a regular coffee' at a restaurant, and it came with
>cream and sugar already in it. I expressed surprise, and he explained it
>to me.
>
>>> This is, apparently, considered excessive
>>> elsewhere,
>>
>> It is to me. I want zero teaspoons of sugar and zero of those tiny
>> plastic servings of half and half (or any other milk or cream)
>
>Me too. I also dislike 'flavoured coffee'.

Me too. I dislike ("hate" might be a better word) flavored coffee,
flavored tea, flavored bagels, flavored cream cheese, etc.

>>> there is no grade of Starbucks, which buys
>>> whatever is cheap and burns it.
>>
>> Yes. Especially burning it. To me, despite its enormous popularity,
>> it's the world's worst coffee.
>> I would rather drink water than Starbucks coffee.
>
>I have said, sevral times, when asked if I wanted to go to Starbucks for
>coffee. "No thanks. I don't like my coffee cremated."

LOL. Good answer.

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 by: Ken Blake - Sat, 14 May 2022 23:28 UTC

On Sat, 14 May 2022 19:17:27 -0400, Tony Cooper
<tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 14 May 2022 16:42:33 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>
>>On 2022-05-14 15:25, Tony Cooper wrote:
>>> On Sat, 14 May 2022 14:06:37 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I doubt it very much. I know that ordering coffee in a coffee shop or
>>>> diner, 'regular' in New York City will get you the equivalent of two
>>>> teaspoons of sugar and two of those tiny plastic servings of half and
>>>> half in your coffee. This is, apparently, considered excessive
>>>> elsewhere, (1) and I have to order my coffee light and sweet.
>>>
>>> I have no general objection to hyperbole, but this seems to be
>>> excessive. I have never experienced a problem anywhere in the
>>> restriction of sugar packets or containers of "creamer". You may have
>>> to ask for more, but they will be forthcoming.
>>
>>Attributions messed up by '>' in the posting I pasted. Just sayin', so
>>nobody thinks I said that.
>>
>>Anyway, I see no hyperbole there. Absent any other restrictions or
>>requestsn to the server, ordering a 'regular coffee' in NYC will (or
>>would have, when I was last there) get you pretty much what was described.
>>
>
>The hyperbole is in the "considered excessive" part.
>
>In my experience, when ordering coffee the cup is brought to the table
>or counter and the coffee is poured in the cup by the server.

It's odd to me to see you say that. Yes, I sometimes see the same
thing, but in my experience, more often a filled cup is brought to the
table. If it's a counter, yes, it's more often the way you describe
it.

There's one place that we usually have breakfast in twice a week, that
when our regular waitress looks through the window and sees my wife
and I coming, fills two cups and puts them on our regular table,

>If
>cream and sugar is requested, the packets and containers will be
>brought with the cup, but the contents will not be added to the cup by
>the server.

Yes, also in my experience, that's almost always true. But every now
and then in some places, I see them already added.

>Where it is pre-added is when a cup of coffee to go is ordered.

Yes, that's also always true.

>When
>I order a cup to go from a coffee shop or diner, I ask for the cream
>and sugar not to be pre-added because I'll do it myself.

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 by: Ken Blake - Sat, 14 May 2022 23:30 UTC

On Sat, 14 May 2022 16:28:37 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>
wrote:

>On Sat, 14 May 2022 19:17:27 -0400, Tony Cooper
><tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 14 May 2022 16:42:33 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>On 2022-05-14 15:25, Tony Cooper wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 14 May 2022 14:06:37 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I doubt it very much. I know that ordering coffee in a coffee shop or
>>>>> diner, 'regular' in New York City will get you the equivalent of two
>>>>> teaspoons of sugar and two of those tiny plastic servings of half and
>>>>> half in your coffee. This is, apparently, considered excessive
>>>>> elsewhere, (1) and I have to order my coffee light and sweet.
>>>>
>>>> I have no general objection to hyperbole, but this seems to be
>>>> excessive. I have never experienced a problem anywhere in the
>>>> restriction of sugar packets or containers of "creamer". You may have
>>>> to ask for more, but they will be forthcoming.
>>>
>>>Attributions messed up by '>' in the posting I pasted. Just sayin', so
>>>nobody thinks I said that.
>>>
>>>Anyway, I see no hyperbole there. Absent any other restrictions or
>>>requestsn to the server, ordering a 'regular coffee' in NYC will (or
>>>would have, when I was last there) get you pretty much what was described.
>>>
>>
>>The hyperbole is in the "considered excessive" part.
>>
>>In my experience, when ordering coffee the cup is brought to the table
>>or counter and the coffee is poured in the cup by the server.
>
>It's odd to me to see you say that. Yes, I sometimes see the same
>thing, but in my experience, more often a filled cup is brought to the
>table. If it's a counter, yes, it's more often the way you describe
>it.
>
>There's one place that we usually have breakfast in twice a week, that
>when our regular waitress looks through the window and sees my wife
>and I coming,

Ugh. Should be "my wife and me."

>fills two cups and puts them on our regular table,
>
>>If
>>cream and sugar is requested, the packets and containers will be
>>brought with the cup, but the contents will not be added to the cup by
>>the server.
>
>Yes, also in my experience, that's almost always true. But every now
>and then in some places, I see them already added.
>
>
>>Where it is pre-added is when a cup of coffee to go is ordered.
>
>Yes, that's also always true.
>
>>When
>>I order a cup to go from a coffee shop or diner, I ask for the cream
>>and sugar not to be pre-added because I'll do it myself.

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 by: Peter Moylan - Sat, 14 May 2022 23:32 UTC

On 15/05/22 00:37, lar3ryca wrote:
>
> I remember many AuE Regulars, respected or otherwise, from many years
> ago.
>
> His most recent posts are from 2005.
>
> I still have many saved posts from the last century that I encounter
> now and then. Had a good chuckle just yesterday, while looking for
> the one from Floyd, when I found one from Brian J. Goggin about
> Starbucks.

Thanks for that. Only yesterday I was trying to remember the name of our
Limerick ex-regular.

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

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 by: Peter Moylan - Sat, 14 May 2022 23:33 UTC

On 15/05/22 05:13, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>
> (Barrow in Furness)

Is "in Furness" pronounced the same as "Inverness"?

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

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 by: Ken Blake - Sat, 14 May 2022 23:33 UTC

On Sat, 14 May 2022 19:17:27 -0400, Tony Cooper
<tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 14 May 2022 16:42:33 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>
>>On 2022-05-14 15:25, Tony Cooper wrote:
>>> On Sat, 14 May 2022 14:06:37 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I doubt it very much. I know that ordering coffee in a coffee shop or
>>>> diner, 'regular' in New York City will get you the equivalent of two
>>>> teaspoons of sugar and two of those tiny plastic servings of half and
>>>> half in your coffee. This is, apparently, considered excessive
>>>> elsewhere, (1) and I have to order my coffee light and sweet.
>>>
>>> I have no general objection to hyperbole, but this seems to be
>>> excessive. I have never experienced a problem anywhere in the
>>> restriction of sugar packets or containers of "creamer". You may have
>>> to ask for more, but they will be forthcoming.
>>
>>Attributions messed up by '>' in the posting I pasted. Just sayin', so
>>nobody thinks I said that.
>>
>>Anyway, I see no hyperbole there. Absent any other restrictions or
>>requestsn to the server, ordering a 'regular coffee' in NYC will (or
>>would have, when I was last there) get you pretty much what was described.
>>
>
>The hyperbole is in the "considered excessive" part.
>
>In my experience, when ordering coffee the cup is brought to the table
>or counter and the coffee is poured in the cup by the server. If
>cream and sugar is requested, the packets and containers will be
>brought with the cup, but the contents will not be added to the cup by
>the server.
>
>Where it is pre-added is when a cup of coffee to go is ordered. When
>I order a cup to go from a coffee shop or diner, I ask for the cream
>and sugar not to be pre-added because I'll do it myself.

I'll also add that I almost never order coffee to go. The one
exception I can think of is if we're going to the airport to catch an
early flight. Then I order coffee--black, no sugar.

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 by: Tony Cooper - Sun, 15 May 2022 00:12 UTC

On Sat, 14 May 2022 16:28:37 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>
wrote:

>On Sat, 14 May 2022 19:17:27 -0400, Tony Cooper
><tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 14 May 2022 16:42:33 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>On 2022-05-14 15:25, Tony Cooper wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 14 May 2022 14:06:37 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I doubt it very much. I know that ordering coffee in a coffee shop or
>>>>> diner, 'regular' in New York City will get you the equivalent of two
>>>>> teaspoons of sugar and two of those tiny plastic servings of half and
>>>>> half in your coffee. This is, apparently, considered excessive
>>>>> elsewhere, (1) and I have to order my coffee light and sweet.
>>>>
>>>> I have no general objection to hyperbole, but this seems to be
>>>> excessive. I have never experienced a problem anywhere in the
>>>> restriction of sugar packets or containers of "creamer". You may have
>>>> to ask for more, but they will be forthcoming.
>>>
>>>Attributions messed up by '>' in the posting I pasted. Just sayin', so
>>>nobody thinks I said that.
>>>
>>>Anyway, I see no hyperbole there. Absent any other restrictions or
>>>requestsn to the server, ordering a 'regular coffee' in NYC will (or
>>>would have, when I was last there) get you pretty much what was described.
>>>
>>
>>The hyperbole is in the "considered excessive" part.
>>
>>In my experience, when ordering coffee the cup is brought to the table
>>or counter and the coffee is poured in the cup by the server.
>
>It's odd to me to see you say that. Yes, I sometimes see the same
>thing, but in my experience, more often a filled cup is brought to the
>table. If it's a counter, yes, it's more often the way you describe
>it.

I certainly wouldn't deny your experience, but I think the odd thing
is why the server is doing it that. Carrying a full cup of coffee to
the table is a recipe for disaster. I would think the coffee would
slop over when being carried. It would slop over either onto the
saucer, the floor, or the person carrying it and you get two-thirds of
a cup of coffee.

--

Tony Cooper - Orlando Florida

I read and post to this group as a form of entertainment.

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 by: musika - Sun, 15 May 2022 00:27 UTC

On 15/05/2022 00:33, Peter Moylan wrote:
> On 15/05/22 05:13, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>
>> (Barrow in Furness)
>
> Is "in Furness" pronounced the same as "Inverness"?
>
No. First syllable stress.

--
Ray
UK

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 by: lar3ryca - Sun, 15 May 2022 03:12 UTC

On 2022-05-14 17:17, Tony Cooper wrote:
> On Sat, 14 May 2022 16:42:33 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-05-14 15:25, Tony Cooper wrote:
>>> On Sat, 14 May 2022 14:06:37 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I doubt it very much. I know that ordering coffee in a coffee shop or
>>>> diner, 'regular' in New York City will get you the equivalent of two
>>>> teaspoons of sugar and two of those tiny plastic servings of half and
>>>> half in your coffee. This is, apparently, considered excessive
>>>> elsewhere, (1) and I have to order my coffee light and sweet.
>>>
>>> I have no general objection to hyperbole, but this seems to be
>>> excessive. I have never experienced a problem anywhere in the
>>> restriction of sugar packets or containers of "creamer". You may have
>>> to ask for more, but they will be forthcoming.
>>
>> Attributions messed up by '>' in the posting I pasted. Just sayin', so
>> nobody thinks I said that.
>>
>> Anyway, I see no hyperbole there. Absent any other restrictions or
>> requestsn to the server, ordering a 'regular coffee' in NYC will (or
>> would have, when I was last there) get you pretty much what was described.
>>
>
> The hyperbole is in the "considered excessive" part.
>
> In my experience, when ordering coffee the cup is brought to the table
> or counter and the coffee is poured in the cup by the server. If
> cream and sugar is requested, the packets and containers will be
> brought with the cup, but the contents will not be added to the cup by
> the server.
>
> Where it is pre-added is when a cup of coffee to go is ordered. When
> I order a cup to go from a coffee shop or diner, I ask for the cream
> and sugar not to be pre-added because I'll do it myself.

I have only had my coffee pre-sugared at one restaurant chain; Tim
Horton's. That was back in the years when I took sugar in my coffee.
When I ordered it, I was asked if I wanted cream and sugar, and I
answered "Just sugar, thanks", assuming that they would supply one or
more packets of sugar.

When I got it, there was no sugar packet, and I asked for it. She
informed me that she had already put sugar in. So I sat down and took a
sip, only to discover that she had sugared it WAY beyond what I would
have done. I got another cup, and a packet of sugar, with no extra charge.

From that day on, up until I started drinking it black, I made sure to
tell them I wanted to add it myself.

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 by: Peter Moylan - Sun, 15 May 2022 03:45 UTC

On 15/05/22 13:12, lar3ryca wrote:
>
> I have only had my coffee pre-sugared at one restaurant chain; Tim
> Horton's. That was back in the years when I took sugar in my coffee.
> When I ordered it, I was asked if I wanted cream and sugar, and I
> answered "Just sugar, thanks", assuming that they would supply one
> or more packets of sugar.
>
> When I got it, there was no sugar packet, and I asked for it. She
> informed me that she had already put sugar in. So I sat down and
> took a sip, only to discover that she had sugared it WAY beyond what
> I would have done. I got another cup, and a packet of sugar, with no
> extra charge.
>
> From that day on, up until I started drinking it black, I made sure
> to tell them I wanted to add it myself.

I have never had that problem here, except at the places that sell
coffee in disposable containers, where you don't expect decent coffee
anyway. In a sit-down cafe, the milk (not cream) and sugar are on the
table, and you measure out your own desired amount.

When friends visit my home, and I offer them tea or coffee, I have
learnt to let them pour their own milk, because preferences vary so
wildly. You don't want to give a generous serve of milk to someone who
wants just the lightest touch of milk.

Also, not all milks are equal. Some people take only low-fat milk in
their coffee. My wife will refuse anything except soy milk. But I don't
know any Australians who could stomach that imitation powdered milk that
seems to be so common in American junk food outlets.

Now that I think of it, people who use sugar are sensitive to the
difference between a quarter of a teaspoon and two teaspoons, so it's
also better to let them measure out their own sugar. Anyway, it's hard
enough remembering my wife's preferences; my remembery is not good
enough to handle the preferences of a whole bunch of people.

One bad experience still sticks in my mind. At the airport at (IIRC)
Singapore, I got some coffee and was asked if I wanted milk. When I said
yes, the server poured in a whole lot of sweetened condensed milk. The
result was almost undrinkable.

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

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 by: CDB - Sun, 15 May 2022 10:51 UTC

On 5/14/2022 7:30 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
> Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
>> Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>>> Tony Cooper wrote:
>>>>> lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:

>>>>>> I doubt it very much. I know that ordering coffee in a
>>>>>> coffee shop or diner, 'regular' in New York City will get
>>>>>> you the equivalent of two teaspoons of sugar and two of
>>>>>> those tiny plastic servings of half and half in your
>>>>>> coffee. This is, apparently, considered excessive
>>>>>> elsewhere, (1) and I have to order my coffee light and
>>>>>> sweet.

>>>>> I have no general objection to hyperbole, but this seems to
>>>>> be excessive. I have never experienced a problem anywhere in
>>>>> the restriction of sugar packets or containers of "creamer".
>>>>> You may have to ask for more, but they will be forthcoming.

>>>> Attributions messed up by '>' in the posting I pasted. Just
>>>> sayin', so nobody thinks I said that.

>>>> Anyway, I see no hyperbole there. Absent any other restrictions
>>>> or requestsn to the server, ordering a 'regular coffee' in NYC
>>>> will (or would have, when I was last there) get you pretty much
>>>> what was described.

>>> The hyperbole is in the "considered excessive" part.

>>> In my experience, when ordering coffee the cup is brought to the
>>> table or counter and the coffee is poured in the cup by the
>>> server.

>> It's odd to me to see you say that. Yes, I sometimes see the same
>> thing, but in my experience, more often a filled cup is brought to
>> the table. If it's a counter, yes, it's more often the way you
>> describe it.

>> There's one place that we usually have breakfast in twice a week,
>> that when our regular waitress looks through the window and sees
>> my wife and I coming,

> Ugh. Should be "my wife and me."

Mike Lyle used to predict here that English would develop a disjunctive
pronoun "I" for use in that context. Maybe it has, by now.

You pre-empted my "I oy!"

>> fills two cups and puts them on our regular table,

[...]

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 by: J. J. Lodder - Sun, 15 May 2022 10:54 UTC

lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:

> On 2022-05-14 15:08, Ken Blake wrote:
> > On Sat, 14 May 2022 14:06:37 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
> >
> >> I doubt it very much. I know that ordering coffee in a coffee shop or
> >> diner, 'regular' in New York City will get you the equivalent of two
> >> teaspoons of sugar and two of those tiny plastic servings of half and
> >> half in your coffee.
> >
> > If you say so. Although I grew up in NYC, I have no memory of that.,
> > perhaps because I never ordered it that way.
>
> I didn't say so. Attributions scrambled because of '>' in pasted post.
>
> However, I was in NYC on a course, in the late 60s, and a fellow
> classmate ordered 'a regular coffee' at a restaurant, and it came with
> cream and sugar already in it. I expressed surprise, and he explained it
> to me.
>
> >> This is, apparently, considered excessive
> >> elsewhere,
> >
> > It is to me. I want zero teaspoons of sugar and zero of those tiny
> > plastic servings of half and half (or any other milk or cream)
>
> Me too. I also dislike 'flavoured coffee'.
>
> >> there is no grade of Starbucks, which buys
> >> whatever is cheap and burns it.
> >
> > Yes. Especially burning it. To me, despite its enormous popularity,
> > it's the world's worst coffee.
> > I would rather drink water than Starbucks coffee.
>
> I have said, sevral times, when asked if I wanted to go to Starbucks for
> coffee. "No thanks. I don't like my coffee cremated."

Starbucks has started on a 'conquer Europe' campaign.
Lots of advertising, 'second box for free' offers, etc.

Guess I'll let it pass,

Jan

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 by: J. J. Lodder - Sun, 15 May 2022 10:54 UTC

Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 14 May 2022 17:25:40 -0400, Tony Cooper
> <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> >We use a Keurig coffee maker that uses pods. We buy Gevalia (Amazon,
> >ordered one day, delivered the next) pods. A bit more expensive than
> >using ground coffee, but worth it to us in convenience.
>
>
> Keurig coffee makers are very popular and I understand the
> convenience. However personally I avoid them. As far as I'm concerned,
> two of the important things in the quality of the coffee are how long
> ago it was roasted, and how long ago it was ground.

From Dutch 'keurig', they explain.
They used the wrong dictionary,
and found 'keurig' as meaning: 'excellent'.

Actually 'keurig' means something like tidy, neat.
It may be used in a disparaging way,
for dull, unobjectionable, or petit-bourgeois,

Jan

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* (J. J. Lodder) <1przxxm.1llec1ncv2hd1N%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> :
Wrote on Sun, 15 May 2022 12:54:29 +0200:

> Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 14 May 2022 17:25:40 -0400, Tony Cooper
>> <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >We use a Keurig coffee maker that uses pods. We buy Gevalia
>> >(Amazon, ordered one day, delivered the next) pods. A bit more
>> >expensive than using ground coffee, but worth it to us in
>> >convenience.

(Were Keruigs around 20 years ago in the US? I don't think I saw them or
never noticed)

>> Keurig coffee makers are very popular and I understand the
>> convenience. However personally I avoid them. As far as I'm
>> concerned, two of the important things in the quality of the coffee
>> are how long ago it was roasted, and how long ago it was ground.
>
> From Dutch 'keurig', they explain. They used the wrong dictionary,
> and found 'keurig' as meaning: 'excellent'.
>
> Actually 'keurig' means something like tidy, neat. It may be used in
> a disparaging way, for dull, unobjectionable, or petit-bourgeois,
the smaller-burjoisy?

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 by: Peter Moylan - Sun, 15 May 2022 11:59 UTC

On 15/05/22 20:54, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 14 May 2022 17:25:40 -0400, Tony Cooper
>> <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> We use a Keurig coffee maker that uses pods. We buy Gevalia (Amazon,
>>> ordered one day, delivered the next) pods. A bit more expensive than
>>> using ground coffee, but worth it to us in convenience.
>>
>>
>> Keurig coffee makers are very popular and I understand the
>> convenience. However personally I avoid them. As far as I'm concerned,
>> two of the important things in the quality of the coffee are how long
>> ago it was roasted, and how long ago it was ground.
>
> From Dutch 'keurig', they explain.
> They used the wrong dictionary,
> and found 'keurig' as meaning: 'excellent'.
>
> Actually 'keurig' means something like tidy, neat.
> It may be used in a disparaging way,
> for dull, unobjectionable, or petit-bourgeois,

A similar story as for the Mitsubishi Pajero, then. Apparently it was
named for a South American leopard, but they didn't take into account a
more common meaning of the word in Spanish. Someone must have noticed,
though, because it's marketed as the Montero in Spanish-speaking countries.

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

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 by: lar3ryca - Sun, 15 May 2022 13:46 UTC

On 2022-05-15 05:12, Madhu wrote:
> * (J. J. Lodder) <1przxxm.1llec1ncv2hd1N%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> :
> Wrote on Sun, 15 May 2022 12:54:29 +0200:
>
>> Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 14 May 2022 17:25:40 -0400, Tony Cooper
>>> <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> We use a Keurig coffee maker that uses pods. We buy Gevalia
>>>> (Amazon, ordered one day, delivered the next) pods. A bit more
>>>> expensive than using ground coffee, but worth it to us in
>>>> convenience.
>
> (Were Keruigs around 20 years ago in the US? I don't think I saw them or
> never noticed)

I don't think so, but it wasn't too long after 2001 that I first saw one
in Canada.

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 by: lar3ryca - Sun, 15 May 2022 13:49 UTC

On 2022-05-15 05:59, Peter Moylan wrote:
> On 15/05/22 20:54, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>> Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 14 May 2022 17:25:40 -0400, Tony Cooper
>>> <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> We use a Keurig coffee maker that uses pods.  We buy Gevalia (Amazon,
>>>> ordered one day, delivered the next) pods.  A bit more expensive than
>>>> using ground coffee, but worth it to us in convenience.
>>>
>>>
>>> Keurig coffee makers are very popular and I understand the
>>> convenience. However personally I avoid them. As far as I'm concerned,
>>> two of the important things in the quality of the coffee are  how long
>>> ago it was roasted, and how long ago it was ground.
>>
>>  From Dutch 'keurig', they explain.
>> They used the wrong dictionary,
>> and found 'keurig' as meaning: 'excellent'.
>>
>> Actually 'keurig' means something like tidy, neat.
>> It may be used in a disparaging way,
>> for dull, unobjectionable, or petit-bourgeois,
>
> A similar story as for the Mitsubishi Pajero, then. Apparently it was
> named for a South American leopard, but they didn't take into account a
> more common meaning of the word in Spanish. Someone must have noticed,
> though, because it's marketed as the Montero in Spanish-speaking countries.

Like the Chevrolet Nova. Doesn't go.

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On Saturday, May 14, 2022 at 11:45:34 PM UTC-4, Peter Moylan wrote:
> On 15/05/22 13:12, lar3ryca wrote:
> >
> > I have only had my coffee pre-sugared at one restaurant chain; Tim
> > Horton's. That was back in the years when I took sugar in my coffee.
> > When I ordered it, I was asked if I wanted cream and sugar, and I
> > answered "Just sugar, thanks", assuming that they would supply one
> > or more packets of sugar.
> >
> > When I got it, there was no sugar packet, and I asked for it. She
> > informed me that she had already put sugar in. So I sat down and
> > took a sip, only to discover that she had sugared it WAY beyond what
> > I would have done. I got another cup, and a packet of sugar, with no
> > extra charge.
> >
> > From that day on, up until I started drinking it black, I made sure
> > to tell them I wanted to add it myself.
> I have never had that problem here, except at the places that sell
> coffee in disposable containers, where you don't expect decent coffee
> anyway. In a sit-down cafe, the milk (not cream) and sugar are on the
> table, and you measure out your own desired amount.

We haven't had cream (not milk) pitchers on the tables in years, because
germs -- or most likely, because of the pill-tampering episode when some
sort of toxin was introduced into bottles of Tylenol on drugstore shelves.

Similarly there used to be sugar shakers, or bowls of sugar with spoon, or
piles of sugar cubes; more likely the double cubes that were 1 tsp. Then
the latter came wrapped in paper. Now sugar and a variety of sugar substitutes
are in 1-tsp. paper packets (BrE sachets) in a sugar bowl on the table.

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On Sat, 14 May 2022 20:12:45 -0400, Tony Cooper
<tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 14 May 2022 16:28:37 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 14 May 2022 19:17:27 -0400, Tony Cooper
>><tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 14 May 2022 16:42:33 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 2022-05-14 15:25, Tony Cooper wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 14 May 2022 14:06:37 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I doubt it very much. I know that ordering coffee in a coffee shop or
>>>>>> diner, 'regular' in New York City will get you the equivalent of two
>>>>>> teaspoons of sugar and two of those tiny plastic servings of half and
>>>>>> half in your coffee. This is, apparently, considered excessive
>>>>>> elsewhere, (1) and I have to order my coffee light and sweet.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have no general objection to hyperbole, but this seems to be
>>>>> excessive. I have never experienced a problem anywhere in the
>>>>> restriction of sugar packets or containers of "creamer". You may have
>>>>> to ask for more, but they will be forthcoming.
>>>>
>>>>Attributions messed up by '>' in the posting I pasted. Just sayin', so
>>>>nobody thinks I said that.
>>>>
>>>>Anyway, I see no hyperbole there. Absent any other restrictions or
>>>>requestsn to the server, ordering a 'regular coffee' in NYC will (or
>>>>would have, when I was last there) get you pretty much what was described.
>>>>
>>>
>>>The hyperbole is in the "considered excessive" part.
>>>
>>>In my experience, when ordering coffee the cup is brought to the table
>>>or counter and the coffee is poured in the cup by the server.
>>
>>It's odd to me to see you say that. Yes, I sometimes see the same
>>thing, but in my experience, more often a filled cup is brought to the
>>table. If it's a counter, yes, it's more often the way you describe
>>it.
>
>I certainly wouldn't deny your experience, but I think the odd thing
>is why the server is doing it that. Carrying a full cup of coffee to
>the table is a recipe for disaster. I would think the coffee would
>slop over when being carried. It would slop over either onto the
>saucer, the floor, or the person carrying it and you get two-thirds of
>a cup of coffee.

The same thing with cocktails like martinis--actually more so with
martinis than with coffee or other cocktails, since a martini glass is
usually filled to the brim. Occasional the glass is brought to the
table along with a little beaker of martini and the beaker is poured
into the glass at the table.

Yes, pouring coffee at the table is better, but in my experience it's
only done in cheaper restaurants. Better restaurants pride themselves
on having waiters who are very careful and don't spill things like
coffee.

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On Sat, 14 May 2022 21:12:02 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:

>On 2022-05-14 17:17, Tony Cooper wrote:
>> On Sat, 14 May 2022 16:42:33 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-05-14 15:25, Tony Cooper wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 14 May 2022 14:06:37 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I doubt it very much. I know that ordering coffee in a coffee shop or
>>>>> diner, 'regular' in New York City will get you the equivalent of two
>>>>> teaspoons of sugar and two of those tiny plastic servings of half and
>>>>> half in your coffee. This is, apparently, considered excessive
>>>>> elsewhere, (1) and I have to order my coffee light and sweet.
>>>>
>>>> I have no general objection to hyperbole, but this seems to be
>>>> excessive. I have never experienced a problem anywhere in the
>>>> restriction of sugar packets or containers of "creamer". You may have
>>>> to ask for more, but they will be forthcoming.
>>>
>>> Attributions messed up by '>' in the posting I pasted. Just sayin', so
>>> nobody thinks I said that.
>>>
>>> Anyway, I see no hyperbole there. Absent any other restrictions or
>>> requestsn to the server, ordering a 'regular coffee' in NYC will (or
>>> would have, when I was last there) get you pretty much what was described.
>>>
>>
>> The hyperbole is in the "considered excessive" part.
>>
>> In my experience, when ordering coffee the cup is brought to the table
>> or counter and the coffee is poured in the cup by the server. If
>> cream and sugar is requested, the packets and containers will be
>> brought with the cup, but the contents will not be added to the cup by
>> the server.
>>
>> Where it is pre-added is when a cup of coffee to go is ordered. When
>> I order a cup to go from a coffee shop or diner, I ask for the cream
>> and sugar not to be pre-added because I'll do it myself.
>
>I have only had my coffee pre-sugared at one restaurant chain; Tim
>Horton's. That was back in the years when I took sugar in my coffee.
>When I ordered it, I was asked if I wanted cream and sugar, and I
>answered "Just sugar, thanks", assuming that they would supply one or
>more packets of sugar.
>
>When I got it, there was no sugar packet, and I asked for it. She
>informed me that she had already put sugar in. So I sat down and took a
>sip, only to discover that she had sugared it WAY beyond what I would
>have done. I got another cup, and a packet of sugar, with no extra charge.
>
> From that day on, up until I started drinking it black, I made sure to
>tell them I wanted to add it myself.

I've gotten pre-sugared coffee exactly twice:

Once in Rio de Janeiro, in the office of the president of the
Brazilian branch of the company I worked for. They always drink it
sugared there.

Once in Naples, Italy, at a bar before I found out that they always
drink it sugared there and asked for it "senza zucchero."

In both case, I found it undrinkable. I can usually tolerate a small
amount of milk or cream in my coffee, but never any sugar.

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 by: Ken Blake - Sun, 15 May 2022 16:27 UTC

On Sun, 15 May 2022 13:45:29 +1000, Peter Moylan
<peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:

>On 15/05/22 13:12, lar3ryca wrote:
>>
>> I have only had my coffee pre-sugared at one restaurant chain; Tim
>> Horton's. That was back in the years when I took sugar in my coffee.
>> When I ordered it, I was asked if I wanted cream and sugar, and I
>> answered "Just sugar, thanks", assuming that they would supply one
>> or more packets of sugar.
>>
>> When I got it, there was no sugar packet, and I asked for it. She
>> informed me that she had already put sugar in. So I sat down and
>> took a sip, only to discover that she had sugared it WAY beyond what
>> I would have done. I got another cup, and a packet of sugar, with no
>> extra charge.
>>
>> From that day on, up until I started drinking it black, I made sure
>> to tell them I wanted to add it myself.
>
>I have never had that problem here, except at the places that sell
>coffee in disposable containers, where you don't expect decent coffee
>anyway.

There are some such place here in the US with coffee that I consider
drinkable, even if not great. To my great surprise, one such place is
McDonalds.

> In a sit-down cafe, the milk (not cream) and sugar are on the
>table, and you measure out your own desired amount.

Same here.

>When friends visit my home, and I offer them tea or coffee, I have
>learnt to let them pour their own milk, because preferences vary so
>wildly. You don't want to give a generous serve of milk to someone who
>wants just the lightest touch of milk.

Yes, it's always better to let everyone do it himself. Also some
people want imitation sugar rather than real sugar.

>
>Also, not all milks are equal. Some people take only low-fat milk in
>their coffee. My wife will refuse anything except soy milk. But I don't
>know any Australians who could stomach that imitation powdered milk that
>seems to be so common in American junk food outlets.

Common? Not to me. I'm not sure that I've never seen it, but I
certainly haven't seen it often.

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 by: Anders D. Nygaard - Sun, 15 May 2022 19:49 UTC

Den 15-05-2022 kl. 01:20 skrev Ken Blake:
> On Sat, 14 May 2022 16:50:54 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>> On 2022-05-14 15:08, Ken Blake wrote:
>>> [coffee] I want zero teaspoons of sugar and zero of those tiny
>>> plastic servings of half and half (or any other milk or cream)
>>
>> Me too. I also dislike 'flavoured coffee'.
>
> Me too. I dislike ("hate" might be a better word) flavored coffee,
> flavored tea, flavored bagels, flavored cream cheese, etc.

Do you prefer all your foods to be bland?

/Anders, Denmark

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 by: Anders D. Nygaard - Sun, 15 May 2022 19:51 UTC

Den 14-05-2022 kl. 19:53 skrev J. J. Lodder:
> Anders D. Nygaard <news2012adn@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Den 13-05-2022 kl. 14:18 skrev J. J. Lodder:
>>> Anders D. Nygaard <news2012adn@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Den 12-05-2022 kl. 09:58 skrev J. J. Lodder:
>>>>> Anders D. Nygaard <news2012adn@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Den 10-05-2022 kl. 21:29 skrev Sam Plusnet:
>>>>>>> On 08-May-22 22:42, Tony Cooper wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 8 May 2022 22:25:38 +0200, "Anders D. Nygaard"
>>>>>>>> <news2012adn@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Den 08-05-2022 kl. 00:39 skrev Tony Cooper:
>>>>>>>>>> In the US, we have Cabinet secretaries instead of Ministers.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You had me confused there for a moment.
>>>>>>>>> My first thought was that this is a distinction without a
>>>>>>>>> difference, but when I tried to look it up, I found that British
>>>>>>>>> cabinet secretaries are senior civil servants - which surely is
>>>>>>>>> not what you intended.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Slow follow up to this, but the UK does not have "Cabinet Secretaries".
>>>>>>> We have _a_ Cabinet Secretary (i.e. the Secretary to the Cabinet) -
>>>>>>> who is also the head of the civil service.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My bad. I read too quickly, and confused it with Danish
>>>>>> "departementschef", of which there is one per ministry.
>>>>>> They do not, AFAIU, have a boss
>>>>
>>>> ... who is also a civil servant.
>>>
>>> An empty addition, unless you allow for an infinity of them,
>>
>> Um .. no. The addition serves to distinguish the Danish system
>> from the British, where Permanent Secretaries (~= "departementschef")
>> do have a civil servant boss, the Cabinet Secretary.
>
> And his also civil servant boss is?

Does not compute.
AFAIU, the Cabinet Secretary is not a Permanent Secretary, so I have
not stated anything about who is the boss of the Cabinet Secretary.

/Anders, Denmark

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