We don't need any "justification", any more than fungus
or bacteria or ants or rocks. We are - that's it.

On 12/1/21 10:52 PM, Walt In Seattle wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 5:44:43 PM UTC-8, 166p1 wrote:
>> We don't need any "justification", any more than fungus
>> or bacteria or ants or rocks. We are - that's it.
>
> If you equate yourself to an ant, rock, bacteria or fungus
>....... well...... that's entirely on YOU! :-)

Pride cometh ......

Don't over-rate yourself.

Just another blob of chemical slime on a cold
little rock way way out amongst quadrillons of
quadrillions of others in the Great Black Void.
Embrace it or step in front of a train - your
choice.

On 2021-12-02, 166p1 <z24ba6.net> wrote:
> We don't need any "justification", any more than fungus
> or bacteria or ants or rocks. We are - that's it.

Are you a bacterium?

--

"Many have sought in vain to tell joyously of the Most Joyous. Now at last It
declares Itself to me, now in this misery." - Holderlin

On 12/2/21 1:11 PM, Walt In Seattle wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 11:03:07 PM UTC-8, 166p1 wrote:
>> On 12/1/21 10:52 PM, Walt In Seattle wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 5:44:43 PM UTC-8, 166p1 wrote:
>>>> We don't need any "justification", any more than fungus
>>>> or bacteria or ants or rocks. We are - that's it.
>>>
>>> If you equate yourself to an ant, rock, bacteria or fungus
>>> ....... well...... that's entirely on YOU! :-)
>> Pride cometh ......
>>
>> Don't over-rate yourself.
>>
>> Just another blob of chemical slime on a cold
>> little rock way way out amongst quadrillons of
>> quadrillions of others in the Great Black Void.
>> Embrace it or step in front of a train - your
>> choice.
>
> "Pride cometh"? <LOL>

The "WE'RE just SO much more special than anything else"
sentiment ... which leads to notions that the universe
is all about US.

> Fungus don't have a brain

Never asked it ... actually they way they network
resembles a giant distributed brain - so mind your
manners around the fungal community :-)

An Ant and a Bee have thousands, millions, of self-mobile
brain cells ... fascinating dontchathink ?

But we can't even figure out what dolphins talk about
even though they're a fairly closely-related species.
Might be a little while before we can ask Ant or
Fungus an intelligible question ...

I think there's even capital-H Human ... once you get
a critical mass together big cities and pyramids and
astronomy and math and traffic and such suddenly appear.
Below that critical mass we're pretty boring, dull,
and uninventive hairless apes.

On 12/2/21 12:49 PM, Rockinghorse Winner wrote:
> On 2021-12-02, 166p1 <z24ba6.net> wrote:
>> We don't need any "justification", any more than fungus
>> or bacteria or ants or rocks. We are - that's it.
>
> Are you a bacterium?

Bacteria RULE - by volume mass and persistence the most
dominant life-form on Earth. If some alien craft did a
survey it would report "Population - Single-Celled Life
with a tiny minority of multi-cellular organisms".

In short, don't feel all smug. Humans are very recent
and probably very transient - abnormal.

We MAY create our far more durable successors though,
AI's .....

On 12/3/21 2:47 AM, Walt In Seattle wrote:
> On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 7:01:45 PM UTC-8, 166p1 wrote:
>> On 12/2/21 1:11 PM, Walt In Seattle wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 11:03:07 PM UTC-8, 166p1 wrote:
>>>> On 12/1/21 10:52 PM, Walt In Seattle wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 5:44:43 PM UTC-8, 166p1 wrote:
>>>>>> We don't need any "justification", any more than fungus
>>>>>> or bacteria or ants or rocks. We are - that's it.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you equate yourself to an ant, rock, bacteria or fungus
>>>>> ....... well...... that's entirely on YOU! :-)
>>>> Pride cometh ......
>>>>
>>>> Don't over-rate yourself.
>>>>
>>>> Just another blob of chemical slime on a cold
>>>> little rock way way out amongst quadrillons of
>>>> quadrillions of others in the Great Black Void.
>>>> Embrace it or step in front of a train - your
>>>> choice.
>>>
>>> "Pride cometh"? <LOL>
>> The "WE'RE just SO much more special than anything else"
>> sentiment ... which leads to notions that the universe
>> is all about US.
>>> Fungus don't have a brain
>> Never asked it ... actually they way they network
>> resembles a giant distributed brain - so mind your
>> manners around the fungal community :-)
>>
>> An Ant and a Bee have thousands, millions, of self-mobile
>> brain cells ... fascinating dontchathink ?
>>
>> But we can't even figure out what dolphins talk about
>> even though they're a fairly closely-related species.
>> Might be a little while before we can ask Ant or
>> Fungus an intelligible question ...
>>
>> I think there's even capital-H Human ... once you get
>> a critical mass together big cities and pyramids and
>> astronomy and math and traffic and such suddenly appear.
>> Below that critical mass we're pretty boring, dull,
>> and uninventive hairless apes.
>
> Next you'll be telling us rocks have a brain and are intelligent? :-)

I have serious doubts about rocks.

In any case, you seemed to be spiraling towards the
Strong Anthropomorphic Principle nonsense.

In any case, as I said, we don't NEED any "justification" -
no one to judge anyhow. We Are and that's good enough.

This should be liberating - but you seem to crave some
angry taskmaster with a whip telling us what to do and
what we're for.

On 12/4/21 10:09 PM, Walt In Seattle wrote:
> On Friday, December 3, 2021 at 7:54:43 PM UTC-8, 166p1 wrote:
>> On 12/3/21 2:47 AM, Walt In Seattle wrote:
>>> On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 7:01:45 PM UTC-8, 166p1 wrote:
>>>> On 12/2/21 1:11 PM, Walt In Seattle wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 11:03:07 PM UTC-8, 166p1 wrote:
>>>>>> On 12/1/21 10:52 PM, Walt In Seattle wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 5:44:43 PM UTC-8, 166p1 wrote:
>>>>>>>> We don't need any "justification", any more than fungus
>>>>>>>> or bacteria or ants or rocks. We are - that's it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you equate yourself to an ant, rock, bacteria or fungus
>>>>>>> ....... well...... that's entirely on YOU! :-)
>>>>>> Pride cometh ......
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't over-rate yourself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just another blob of chemical slime on a cold
>>>>>> little rock way way out amongst quadrillons of
>>>>>> quadrillions of others in the Great Black Void.
>>>>>> Embrace it or step in front of a train - your
>>>>>> choice.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Pride cometh"? <LOL>
>>>> The "WE'RE just SO much more special than anything else"
>>>> sentiment ... which leads to notions that the universe
>>>> is all about US.
>>>>> Fungus don't have a brain
>>>> Never asked it ... actually they way they network
>>>> resembles a giant distributed brain - so mind your
>>>> manners around the fungal community :-)
>>>>
>>>> An Ant and a Bee have thousands, millions, of self-mobile
>>>> brain cells ... fascinating dontchathink ?
>>>>
>>>> But we can't even figure out what dolphins talk about
>>>> even though they're a fairly closely-related species.
>>>> Might be a little while before we can ask Ant or
>>>> Fungus an intelligible question ...
>>>>
>>>> I think there's even capital-H Human ... once you get
>>>> a critical mass together big cities and pyramids and
>>>> astronomy and math and traffic and such suddenly appear.
>>>> Below that critical mass we're pretty boring, dull,
>>>> and uninventive hairless apes.
>>>
>>> Next you'll be telling us rocks have a brain and are intelligent? :-)
>> I have serious doubts about rocks.
>>
>> In any case, you seemed to be spiraling towards the
>> Strong Anthropomorphic Principle nonsense.
>>
>> In any case, as I said, we don't NEED any "justification" -
>> no one to judge anyhow. We Are and that's good enough.
>>
>> This should be liberating - but you seem to crave some
>> angry taskmaster with a whip telling us what to do and
>> what we're for.
>
> You should go back and reread the OP for better understanding.....

Didn't find anything useful there.

NO ONE, NOTHING, to "justify" ourselves to. We're
just one of the planetary menagerie in a universe
that doesn't think, doesn't give a shit. Abandon
the hubris - find your own path, own "truths",
in concordance with our Nature and Position in
the Great Chaos.

Or step in front of a bus if you think you're so
awful and unworthy .......

Peruse Plato's "Allegory Of The Cave" and take it
to the obvious next level he didn't dare mention,
sort of the earliest edition of "The Matrix", but
no AIs involved. The Buddhist take is even less
reassuring.

We get a narrow tunnel-visioned look at Reality
through thick Human-Colored Glasses ... assuming
there's a Reality at all. The deeper you look,
the weirder it gets.