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Re: Asshat

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 by: lar3ryca - Sun, 15 May 2022 17:22 UTC

On 2022-05-15 10:52, Madhu wrote:
>
> * lar3ryca <t5radq$kfb$1@dont-email.me> :
> Wrote on Sun, 15 May 2022 10:40:24 -0600:
>> On 2022-05-15 08:07, Madhu wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Here's a little ditty the young kids like.
>>>>
>>>> When you're kissin' with your honey,
>>>> And your nose is kinda runny,
>>>> And you think it's kinda funny,
>>>> Well it's snot!
>>> What's the connection between Richard Stallman and Marquis de Sade
> [i wanted to phrase that as: "what is .." jeapordy style]

In Jeopardy, the answer is the question, so the clue would be
'Nasal Sex", right?

>> Property is theft.
>
> https://www.google.co.in/search?hl=en&as_q=%22rms%22%20%22nasal%20sex%22
>
> https://archive.org/stream/SartreJeanPaulLiteraryAndPhilosophicalEssaysCollier1962/Marquis_de_Sade_-_120_Days_of_Sodom_Other_Writings_djvu.txt
> C-f search "and with such cleverness"

Not sure that M de S wrote that. Didn't bother to wade through all that
crap.

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 by: Lewis - Sun, 15 May 2022 23:47 UTC

In message <5apv7h9273gojr775ddm28i6nhh25kci39@4ax.com> Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 14 May 2022 17:17:51 +0200, occam <nobody@nowhere.nix> wrote:

>>
>>Ever in search of new and interesting words in the English language, I
>>bring you 'Asshat'.

That must be a very strange definition of 'new' as I first heard it in
1980, possibly 1981. I have a very clear memory of who said it, who it
was said about, and where I was at the time ( Eric Bm Ms Crawford, 7th
grade Social Studies), but I cannot narrow that date down more than
saying it was sometime in the fall of 1980 or the spring of 1981.

--
At night when the bars close down
Brandy walks through a silent town
And loves a man who's not around

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 by: Lewis - Sun, 15 May 2022 23:50 UTC

In message <pan$d74ca$e0ae4948$8f8548c1$bba06282@gmail.com> Paul Carmichael <wibbleypants@gmail.com> wrote:
> El Sat, 14 May 2022 21:16:01 -0600, lar3ryca escribió:

>> I would be willing to bet that 99% of Americans and Canadians would not
>> think of a donkey when they hear the word 'ass'.

> S'funny. Takes my mind straight to Midsummer Night's Dream. But ironic
> that the name of the ass is Bottom.

Such a strange unintentional coincidence! It's amazing!

#SMH

--
When and where does this "real world" occur?!

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 by: occam - Mon, 16 May 2022 07:02 UTC

On 15/05/2022 18:50, lar3ryca wrote:
> On 2022-05-15 10:35, Ken Blake wrote:
>> On Sun, 15 May 2022 10:18:06 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-05-15 09:43, Ken Blake wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 14 May 2022 21:16:01 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2022-05-14 18:42, Ross Clark wrote:
>>>>>> On 15/05/2022 7:08 a.m., Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>>>>> On 14-May-22 16:17, occam wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ever in search of new and interesting  words in the English
>>>>>>>> language, I
>>>>>>>> bring you 'Asshat'.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> “a stupid, annoying, or detestable person”
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/some-notes-on-asshat-word-history>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I know you probably all have several candidates worthy of the word.
>>>>>>>> However I urge you to use it carefully and sparingly so as not to
>>>>>>>> diminish its potency. (It's a keeper, as they say in collector
>>>>>>>> circles.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> AmE, but I think it has been around for quite some time.
>>>>>>> Evidently one person's neologism is another's old hat.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mentioned (and often used) in both a.u.e and sci.lang since about
>>>>>> 2006.
>>>>>> Green treats it as a variant of "ass-head", which is centuries
>>>>>> old, but
>>>>>> has only one actual citation of "asshat" (as (probably US) "campus
>>>>>> slang", 2003). OED 2002, 2015. Note that in the old form "ass"
>>>>>> referred
>>>>>> to the quadruped, not the body part. If the US term is related, there
>>>>>> has been a semantic reinterpretation.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would be willing to bet that 99% of Americans and Canadians would
>>>>> not
>>>>> think of a donkey when they hear the word 'ass'.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Whether I would or not depends entirely on the context of the sentence
>>>> it's used in. The same is probably true of 99% of Americans and
>>>> Canadians.
>>>>
>>>> Shove it up your ass.
>>>>
>>>> There was an ass in the stable along with the horses.
>>>
>>> While that is true, how often do you suppose an American or Canadian
>>> would say that, as opposed to "There was a donkey in the stable...".
>>
>>
>> Seldom. Nevertheless "ass" would be correctly understood by almost
>> everyone, and that was my point.
>
> Again true, but (and I can only speak for myself) that sentence would
> cause me some delay in trying to figure out which definition the speaker
> meant, as I never call the animal an ass, and for all I know, there may
> well have been an undesirable person in the stable.
>

What about the commandment: "Thou Shalt Not Covet Thy Neighbour's ...
Ass". Would your mind go to your neighbour's posterior, or her donkey?

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 by: Paul Carmichael - Mon, 16 May 2022 07:49 UTC

El Sun, 15 May 2022 23:50:59 +0000, Lewis escribió:

> In message <pan$d74ca$e0ae4948$8f8548c1$bba06282@gmail.com> Paul
> Carmichael <wibbleypants@gmail.com> wrote:
>> El Sat, 14 May 2022 21:16:01 -0600, lar3ryca escribió:
>
>>> I would be willing to bet that 99% of Americans and Canadians would
>>> not think of a donkey when they hear the word 'ass'.
>
>
>> S'funny. Takes my mind straight to Midsummer Night's Dream. But ironic
>> that the name of the ass is Bottom.
>
> Such a strange unintentional coincidence! It's amazing!

I didn't realise that Shaky was American. Oh, and that he named the
characters after writing the play. How silly of me!

--
Paul.

https://paulc.es/elpatio

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 by: CDB - Mon, 16 May 2022 11:04 UTC

On 5/15/2022 10:53 AM, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> CDB said:
>> Peter Moylan wrote:
>>> occam wrote:

>>>> Ever in search of new and interesting words in the English
>>>> language, I bring you 'Asshat'.

>>>> “a stupid, annoying, or detestable person”

>>>> <https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/some-notes-on-asshat-word-history>
>>>>
>>>>
I know you probably all have several candidates worthy of the
>>>> word. However I urge you to use it carefully and sparingly so
>>>> as not to diminish its potency. (It's a keeper, as they say in
>>>> collector circles.)

>>> A more potent version has a space in it: as shat.

>> On a slightly related note, I was watching an episode of _Capitaine
>> Marleau_, a French gendarmerie-procedural,

> We find it almost unwatchable. It's one thing to have the main
> detective look a bit unconventional, but it's another to take it to
> an extreme.

You are probably already familiar with French slang; I find the dialogue
instructive.

They have made la capitaine somewhat more approachable in the
season I am watching at the moment.

>> the other day, and noticed someone using the expression "votre
>> image tout craché", lending a little more weight to the idea that
>> our expression should probably be "spitten image".

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 by: Quinn C - Mon, 16 May 2022 17:15 UTC

* lar3ryca:

> On 2022-05-14 18:42, Ross Clark wrote:
>> On 15/05/2022 7:08 a.m., Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>> On 14-May-22 16:17, occam wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ever in search of new and interesting  words in the English language, I
>>>> bring you 'Asshat'.
>>>>
>>>> “a stupid, annoying, or detestable person”
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/some-notes-on-asshat-word-history>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I know you probably all have several candidates worthy of the word.
>>>> However I urge you to use it carefully and sparingly so as not to
>>>> diminish its potency. (It's a keeper, as they say in collector circles.)
>>>
>>> AmE, but I think it has been around for quite some time.
>>> Evidently one person's neologism is another's old hat.
>>>
>>
>> Mentioned (and often used) in both a.u.e and sci.lang since about 2006.
>> Green treats it as a variant of "ass-head", which is centuries old, but
>> has only one actual citation of "asshat" (as (probably US) "campus
>> slang", 2003). OED 2002, 2015. Note that in the old form "ass" referred
>> to the quadruped, not the body part. If the US term is related, there
>> has been a semantic reinterpretation.
>
> I would be willing to bet that 99% of Americans and Canadians would not
> think of a donkey when they hear the word 'ass'.

How is it understood in "When you assume, you make an ass of u and me"?

--
The trouble some people have being German, I thought,
I have being human.
-- Margaret Atwood, Surfacing (novel), p.130

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 by: lar3ryca - Tue, 17 May 2022 02:50 UTC

On 2022-05-16 01:02, occam wrote:
> On 15/05/2022 18:50, lar3ryca wrote:
>> On 2022-05-15 10:35, Ken Blake wrote:
>>> On Sun, 15 May 2022 10:18:06 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-05-15 09:43, Ken Blake wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 14 May 2022 21:16:01 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2022-05-14 18:42, Ross Clark wrote:
>>>>>>> On 15/05/2022 7:08 a.m., Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 14-May-22 16:17, occam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ever in search of new and interesting  words in the English
>>>>>>>>> language, I
>>>>>>>>> bring you 'Asshat'.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> “a stupid, annoying, or detestable person”
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/some-notes-on-asshat-word-history>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I know you probably all have several candidates worthy of the word.
>>>>>>>>> However I urge you to use it carefully and sparingly so as not to
>>>>>>>>> diminish its potency. (It's a keeper, as they say in collector
>>>>>>>>> circles.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> AmE, but I think it has been around for quite some time.
>>>>>>>> Evidently one person's neologism is another's old hat.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mentioned (and often used) in both a.u.e and sci.lang since about
>>>>>>> 2006.
>>>>>>> Green treats it as a variant of "ass-head", which is centuries
>>>>>>> old, but
>>>>>>> has only one actual citation of "asshat" (as (probably US) "campus
>>>>>>> slang", 2003). OED 2002, 2015. Note that in the old form "ass"
>>>>>>> referred
>>>>>>> to the quadruped, not the body part. If the US term is related, there
>>>>>>> has been a semantic reinterpretation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would be willing to bet that 99% of Americans and Canadians would
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> think of a donkey when they hear the word 'ass'.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Whether I would or not depends entirely on the context of the sentence
>>>>> it's used in. The same is probably true of 99% of Americans and
>>>>> Canadians.
>>>>>
>>>>> Shove it up your ass.
>>>>>
>>>>> There was an ass in the stable along with the horses.
>>>>
>>>> While that is true, how often do you suppose an American or Canadian
>>>> would say that, as opposed to "There was a donkey in the stable...".
>>>
>>>
>>> Seldom. Nevertheless "ass" would be correctly understood by almost
>>> everyone, and that was my point.
>>
>> Again true, but (and I can only speak for myself) that sentence would
>> cause me some delay in trying to figure out which definition the speaker
>> meant, as I never call the animal an ass, and for all I know, there may
>> well have been an undesirable person in the stable.
>>
>
> What about the commandment: "Thou Shalt Not Covet Thy Neighbour's ...
> Ass". Would your mind go to your neighbour's posterior, or her donkey?

No idea. Is that a real commandment?

An informal survey I did today yielded opinions from 3 folks. All said
they would not think of a donkey unless the context was very obvious. A
brother-in-law said that if he heard someone say, while pointing to a
donkey, and saying "that's a really small ass', he would be as likely to
answer "That's a pretty normal looking ass on the donkey", as anything else.

They all agreed they had heard someone use the word ass when referring
to a donkey, but that it was seldom, and unusual.

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 by: lar3ryca - Tue, 17 May 2022 03:12 UTC

On 2022-05-16 11:15, Quinn C wrote:
> * lar3ryca:
>
>> On 2022-05-14 18:42, Ross Clark wrote:
>>> On 15/05/2022 7:08 a.m., Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>> On 14-May-22 16:17, occam wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Ever in search of new and interesting  words in the English language, I
>>>>> bring you 'Asshat'.
>>>>>
>>>>> “a stupid, annoying, or detestable person”
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/some-notes-on-asshat-word-history>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I know you probably all have several candidates worthy of the word.
>>>>> However I urge you to use it carefully and sparingly so as not to
>>>>> diminish its potency. (It's a keeper, as they say in collector circles.)
>>>>
>>>> AmE, but I think it has been around for quite some time.
>>>> Evidently one person's neologism is another's old hat.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Mentioned (and often used) in both a.u.e and sci.lang since about 2006.
>>> Green treats it as a variant of "ass-head", which is centuries old, but
>>> has only one actual citation of "asshat" (as (probably US) "campus
>>> slang", 2003). OED 2002, 2015. Note that in the old form "ass" referred
>>> to the quadruped, not the body part. If the US term is related, there
>>> has been a semantic reinterpretation.
>>
>> I would be willing to bet that 99% of Americans and Canadians would not
>> think of a donkey when they hear the word 'ass'.
>
> How is it understood in "When you assume, you make an ass of u and me"?

Never thought about it. It's just a cutesy way of saying "don't make
assumptions".

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 by: Tony Cooper - Tue, 17 May 2022 04:55 UTC

On Mon, 16 May 2022 20:50:58 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:

>On 2022-05-16 01:02, occam wrote:
>> On 15/05/2022 18:50, lar3ryca wrote:
>>> On 2022-05-15 10:35, Ken Blake wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 15 May 2022 10:18:06 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2022-05-15 09:43, Ken Blake wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 14 May 2022 21:16:01 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2022-05-14 18:42, Ross Clark wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2022 7:08 a.m., Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 14-May-22 16:17, occam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ever in search of new and interesting  words in the English
>>>>>>>>>> language, I
>>>>>>>>>> bring you 'Asshat'.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> “a stupid, annoying, or detestable person”
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/some-notes-on-asshat-word-history>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I know you probably all have several candidates worthy of the word.
>>>>>>>>>> However I urge you to use it carefully and sparingly so as not to
>>>>>>>>>> diminish its potency. (It's a keeper, as they say in collector
>>>>>>>>>> circles.)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> AmE, but I think it has been around for quite some time.
>>>>>>>>> Evidently one person's neologism is another's old hat.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mentioned (and often used) in both a.u.e and sci.lang since about
>>>>>>>> 2006.
>>>>>>>> Green treats it as a variant of "ass-head", which is centuries
>>>>>>>> old, but
>>>>>>>> has only one actual citation of "asshat" (as (probably US) "campus
>>>>>>>> slang", 2003). OED 2002, 2015. Note that in the old form "ass"
>>>>>>>> referred
>>>>>>>> to the quadruped, not the body part. If the US term is related, there
>>>>>>>> has been a semantic reinterpretation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would be willing to bet that 99% of Americans and Canadians would
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> think of a donkey when they hear the word 'ass'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Whether I would or not depends entirely on the context of the sentence
>>>>>> it's used in. The same is probably true of 99% of Americans and
>>>>>> Canadians.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Shove it up your ass.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There was an ass in the stable along with the horses.
>>>>>
>>>>> While that is true, how often do you suppose an American or Canadian
>>>>> would say that, as opposed to "There was a donkey in the stable...".
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Seldom. Nevertheless "ass" would be correctly understood by almost
>>>> everyone, and that was my point.
>>>
>>> Again true, but (and I can only speak for myself) that sentence would
>>> cause me some delay in trying to figure out which definition the speaker
>>> meant, as I never call the animal an ass, and for all I know, there may
>>> well have been an undesirable person in the stable.
>>>
>>
>> What about the commandment: "Thou Shalt Not Covet Thy Neighbour's ...
>> Ass". Would your mind go to your neighbour's posterior, or her donkey?
>
>No idea. Is that a real commandment?
>
>An informal survey I did today yielded opinions from 3 folks. All said
>they would not think of a donkey unless the context was very obvious. A
>brother-in-law said that if he heard someone say, while pointing to a
>donkey, and saying "that's a really small ass', he would be as likely to
>answer "That's a pretty normal looking ass on the donkey", as anything else.
>
>They all agreed they had heard someone use the word ass when referring
>to a donkey, but that it was seldom, and unusual.
>
>
The understood meaning of "Don't be an ass" is:

https://photos.smugmug.com/ANIMALS/i-xXhSSST/0/dcae4050/X3/2009-04-30-1-X3.jpg

--

Tony Cooper - Orlando Florida

I read and post to this group as a form of entertainment.

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 by: Snidely - Tue, 17 May 2022 06:11 UTC

lar3ryca blurted out:
> On 2022-05-15 09:43, Ken Blake wrote:
>> On Sat, 14 May 2022 21:16:01 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-05-14 18:42, Ross Clark wrote:
>>>> On 15/05/2022 7:08 a.m., Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>>> On 14-May-22 16:17, occam wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ever in search of new and interesting  words in the English language, I
>>>>>> bring you 'Asshat'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> “a stupid, annoying, or detestable person”
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/some-notes-on-asshat-word-history>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know you probably all have several candidates worthy of the word.
>>>>>> However I urge you to use it carefully and sparingly so as not to
>>>>>> diminish its potency. (It's a keeper, as they say in collector
>>>>>> circles.)
>>>>>
>>>>> AmE, but I think it has been around for quite some time.
>>>>> Evidently one person's neologism is another's old hat.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mentioned (and often used) in both a.u.e and sci.lang since about 2006.
>>>> Green treats it as a variant of "ass-head", which is centuries old, but
>>>> has only one actual citation of "asshat" (as (probably US) "campus
>>>> slang", 2003). OED 2002, 2015. Note that in the old form "ass" referred
>>>> to the quadruped, not the body part. If the US term is related, there
>>>> has been a semantic reinterpretation.
>>>
>>> I would be willing to bet that 99% of Americans and Canadians would not
>>> think of a donkey when they hear the word 'ass'.
>>
>>
>> Whether I would or not depends entirely on the context of the sentence
>> it's used in. The same is probably true of 99% of Americans and
>> Canadians.
>>
>> Shove it up your ass.
>>
>> There was an ass in the stable along with the horses.
>
> While that is true, how often do you suppose an American or Canadian would
> say that, as opposed to "There was a donkey in the stable...".

Onager in a million.

/dps

--
"That's a good sort of hectic, innit?"

" Very much so, and I'd recommend the haggis wontons."
-njm

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 by: Snidely - Tue, 17 May 2022 06:13 UTC

on 5/16/2022, lar3ryca supposed :
> On 2022-05-16 01:02, occam wrote:
>> On 15/05/2022 18:50, lar3ryca wrote:
>>> On 2022-05-15 10:35, Ken Blake wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 15 May 2022 10:18:06 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2022-05-15 09:43, Ken Blake wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 14 May 2022 21:16:01 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2022-05-14 18:42, Ross Clark wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2022 7:08 a.m., Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 14-May-22 16:17, occam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ever in search of new and interesting  words in the English
>>>>>>>>>> language, I
>>>>>>>>>> bring you 'Asshat'.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> “a stupid, annoying, or detestable person”
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/some-notes-on-asshat-word-history>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I know you probably all have several candidates worthy of the word.
>>>>>>>>>> However I urge you to use it carefully and sparingly so as not to
>>>>>>>>>> diminish its potency. (It's a keeper, as they say in collector
>>>>>>>>>> circles.)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> AmE, but I think it has been around for quite some time.
>>>>>>>>> Evidently one person's neologism is another's old hat.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mentioned (and often used) in both a.u.e and sci.lang since about
>>>>>>>> 2006.
>>>>>>>> Green treats it as a variant of "ass-head", which is centuries
>>>>>>>> old, but
>>>>>>>> has only one actual citation of "asshat" (as (probably US) "campus
>>>>>>>> slang", 2003). OED 2002, 2015. Note that in the old form "ass"
>>>>>>>> referred
>>>>>>>> to the quadruped, not the body part. If the US term is related, there
>>>>>>>> has been a semantic reinterpretation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would be willing to bet that 99% of Americans and Canadians would
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> think of a donkey when they hear the word 'ass'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Whether I would or not depends entirely on the context of the sentence
>>>>>> it's used in. The same is probably true of 99% of Americans and
>>>>>> Canadians.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Shove it up your ass.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There was an ass in the stable along with the horses.
>>>>>
>>>>> While that is true, how often do you suppose an American or Canadian
>>>>> would say that, as opposed to "There was a donkey in the stable...".
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Seldom. Nevertheless "ass" would be correctly understood by almost
>>>> everyone, and that was my point.
>>>
>>> Again true, but (and I can only speak for myself) that sentence would
>>> cause me some delay in trying to figure out which definition the speaker
>>> meant, as I never call the animal an ass, and for all I know, there may
>>> well have been an undesirable person in the stable.
>>>
>>
>> What about the commandment: "Thou Shalt Not Covet Thy Neighbour's ...
>> Ass". Would your mind go to your neighbour's posterior, or her donkey?
>
> No idea. Is that a real commandment?
>
> An informal survey I did today yielded opinions from 3 folks. All said they
> would not think of a donkey unless the context was very obvious. A
> brother-in-law said that if he heard someone say, while pointing to a donkey,
> and saying "that's a really small ass', he would be as likely to answer
> "That's a pretty normal looking ass on the donkey", as anything else.

One minidonk, two minidonk, three minidonk, more.

> They all agreed they had heard someone use the word ass when referring to a
> donkey, but that it was seldom, and unusual.

[Yeah, the usual plural is minidonks]

/dps

--
Who, me? And what lacuna?

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Quinn C explained :
> * lar3ryca:
>
>> On 2022-05-14 18:42, Ross Clark wrote:
>>> On 15/05/2022 7:08 a.m., Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>> On 14-May-22 16:17, occam wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Ever in search of new and interesting  words in the English language, I
>>>>> bring you 'Asshat'.
>>>>>
>>>>> “a stupid, annoying, or detestable person”
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/some-notes-on-asshat-word-history>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I know you probably all have several candidates worthy of the word.
>>>>> However I urge you to use it carefully and sparingly so as not to
>>>>> diminish its potency. (It's a keeper, as they say in collector circles.)
>>>>
>>>> AmE, but I think it has been around for quite some time.
>>>> Evidently one person's neologism is another's old hat.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Mentioned (and often used) in both a.u.e and sci.lang since about 2006.
>>> Green treats it as a variant of "ass-head", which is centuries old, but
>>> has only one actual citation of "asshat" (as (probably US) "campus
>>> slang", 2003). OED 2002, 2015. Note that in the old form "ass" referred
>>> to the quadruped, not the body part. If the US term is related, there
>>> has been a semantic reinterpretation.
>>
>> I would be willing to bet that 99% of Americans and Canadians would not
>> think of a donkey when they hear the word 'ass'.
>
> How is it understood in "When you assume, you make an ass of u and me"?

Either way, but even those who think about a donkey in that context
would also think about "silly" or "stubborn", or maybe "stupid".

/dps

--
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On 17/05/22 14:55, Tony Cooper wrote:
> On Mon, 16 May 2022 20:50:58 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca>
> wrote:
>> On 2022-05-16 01:02, occam wrote:

>>> What about the commandment: "Thou Shalt Not Covet Thy Neighbour's
>>> ... Ass". Would your mind go to your neighbour's posterior, or
>>> her donkey?
>>
>> No idea. Is that a real commandment?
>>
>> An informal survey I did today yielded opinions from 3 folks. All
>> said they would not think of a donkey unless the context was very
>> obvious. A brother-in-law said that if he heard someone say, while
>> pointing to a donkey, and saying "that's a really small ass', he
>> would be as likely to answer "That's a pretty normal looking ass on
>> the donkey", as anything else.
>>
>> They all agreed they had heard someone use the word ass when
>> referring to a donkey, but that it was seldom, and unusual.
>>
> The understood meaning of "Don't be an ass" is:
>
> https://photos.smugmug.com/ANIMALS/i-xXhSSST/0/dcae4050/X3/2009-04-30-1-X3.jpg

A regular in this group - and I'm ashamed to admit I've forgotten who it
was - expressed it a little differently:

<quote>
A burrow is a hole in the ground. A burro is a donkey. As a journalist,
you are supposed to know the difference.
</quote>

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

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* Snidely:

> Quinn C explained :
>> * lar3ryca:
>>
>>> On 2022-05-14 18:42, Ross Clark wrote:
>>>> On 15/05/2022 7:08 a.m., Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>>> On 14-May-22 16:17, occam wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ever in search of new and interesting  words in the English language, I
>>>>>> bring you 'Asshat'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> “a stupid, annoying, or detestable person”
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/some-notes-on-asshat-word-history>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know you probably all have several candidates worthy of the word.
>>>>>> However I urge you to use it carefully and sparingly so as not to
>>>>>> diminish its potency. (It's a keeper, as they say in collector circles.)
>>>>>
>>>>> AmE, but I think it has been around for quite some time.
>>>>> Evidently one person's neologism is another's old hat.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mentioned (and often used) in both a.u.e and sci.lang since about 2006.
>>>> Green treats it as a variant of "ass-head", which is centuries old, but
>>>> has only one actual citation of "asshat" (as (probably US) "campus
>>>> slang", 2003). OED 2002, 2015. Note that in the old form "ass" referred
>>>> to the quadruped, not the body part. If the US term is related, there
>>>> has been a semantic reinterpretation.
>>>
>>> I would be willing to bet that 99% of Americans and Canadians would not
>>> think of a donkey when they hear the word 'ass'.
>>
>> How is it understood in "When you assume, you make an ass of u and me"?
>
> Either way, but even those who think about a donkey in that context
> would also think about "silly" or "stubborn", or maybe "stupid".

I've always, well, assumed it was an accusation of being silly rather
than being mean, therefore a reference to the equid.

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On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 10:51:04 PM UTC-4, lar3ryca wrote:
> On 2022-05-16 01:02, occam wrote:

> > What about the commandment: "Thou Shalt Not Covet Thy Neighbour's ...
> > Ass". Would your mind go to your neighbour's posterior, or her donkey?
>
> No idea. Is that a real commandment?

lmgtfy.

No, do it your lazy (not to mention ignorant) self.

Imagine someone raised in Western Civilization who is not familiar
with the Decalogue.

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On Tue, 17 May 2022 07:35:22 -0700 (PDT)
"Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> wrote:

> On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 10:51:04 PM UTC-4, lar3ryca wrote:
> > On 2022-05-16 01:02, occam wrote:
>
> > > What about the commandment: "Thou Shalt Not Covet Thy Neighbour's ...
> > > Ass". Would your mind go to your neighbour's posterior, or her donkey?
> >
> > No idea. Is that a real commandment?
>
> lmgtfy.
>
> No, do it your lazy (not to mention ignorant) self.
>
> Imagine someone raised in Western Civilization who is not familiar
> with the Decalogue.

Imagine no possessions.

--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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On Mon, 16 May 2022 20:50:58 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:

>On 2022-05-16 01:02, occam wrote:
>> On 15/05/2022 18:50, lar3ryca wrote:
>>> On 2022-05-15 10:35, Ken Blake wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 15 May 2022 10:18:06 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2022-05-15 09:43, Ken Blake wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 14 May 2022 21:16:01 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2022-05-14 18:42, Ross Clark wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2022 7:08 a.m., Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 14-May-22 16:17, occam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ever in search of new and interesting  words in the English
>>>>>>>>>> language, I
>>>>>>>>>> bring you 'Asshat'.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> “a stupid, annoying, or detestable person”
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/some-notes-on-asshat-word-history>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I know you probably all have several candidates worthy of the word.
>>>>>>>>>> However I urge you to use it carefully and sparingly so as not to
>>>>>>>>>> diminish its potency. (It's a keeper, as they say in collector
>>>>>>>>>> circles.)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> AmE, but I think it has been around for quite some time.
>>>>>>>>> Evidently one person's neologism is another's old hat.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mentioned (and often used) in both a.u.e and sci.lang since about
>>>>>>>> 2006.
>>>>>>>> Green treats it as a variant of "ass-head", which is centuries
>>>>>>>> old, but
>>>>>>>> has only one actual citation of "asshat" (as (probably US) "campus
>>>>>>>> slang", 2003). OED 2002, 2015. Note that in the old form "ass"
>>>>>>>> referred
>>>>>>>> to the quadruped, not the body part. If the US term is related, there
>>>>>>>> has been a semantic reinterpretation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would be willing to bet that 99% of Americans and Canadians would
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> think of a donkey when they hear the word 'ass'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Whether I would or not depends entirely on the context of the sentence
>>>>>> it's used in. The same is probably true of 99% of Americans and
>>>>>> Canadians.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Shove it up your ass.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There was an ass in the stable along with the horses.
>>>>>
>>>>> While that is true, how often do you suppose an American or Canadian
>>>>> would say that, as opposed to "There was a donkey in the stable...".
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Seldom. Nevertheless "ass" would be correctly understood by almost
>>>> everyone, and that was my point.
>>>
>>> Again true, but (and I can only speak for myself) that sentence would
>>> cause me some delay in trying to figure out which definition the speaker
>>> meant, as I never call the animal an ass, and for all I know, there may
>>> well have been an undesirable person in the stable.
>>>
>>
>> What about the commandment: "Thou Shalt Not Covet Thy Neighbour's ...
>> Ass". Would your mind go to your neighbour's posterior, or her donkey?
>
>No idea. Is that a real commandment?
>
>An informal survey I did today yielded opinions from 3 folks. All said
>they would not think of a donkey unless the context was very obvious. A
>brother-in-law said that if he heard someone say, while pointing to a
>donkey, and saying "that's a really small ass', he would be as likely to
>answer "That's a pretty normal looking ass on the donkey", as anything else.
>
>They all agreed they had heard someone use the word ass when referring
>to a donkey, but that it was seldom, and unusual.

Seldom and unusual, yes. But I still disagree that "99% of Americans
and Canadians would not think of a donkey when they hear the word
'ass'." Again, it depends on the context. Also regardless of context,
I think 99% is way too high a percentage.

And by the way, if I heard someone say "I saw an ass walking down the
street," I would think of a donkey, not a person he was disparaging.
If I want to disparage someone, I'd be much more likely to call him a
"jackass" rather than an "ass."

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On Tue, 17 May 2022 20:09:30 +1000, Peter Moylan
<peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:

>On 17/05/22 14:55, Tony Cooper wrote:
>> On Mon, 16 May 2022 20:50:58 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca>
>> wrote:
>>> On 2022-05-16 01:02, occam wrote:
>
>>>> What about the commandment: "Thou Shalt Not Covet Thy Neighbour's
>>>> ... Ass". Would your mind go to your neighbour's posterior, or
>>>> her donkey?
>>>
>>> No idea. Is that a real commandment?
>>>
>>> An informal survey I did today yielded opinions from 3 folks. All
>>> said they would not think of a donkey unless the context was very
>>> obvious. A brother-in-law said that if he heard someone say, while
>>> pointing to a donkey, and saying "that's a really small ass', he
>>> would be as likely to answer "That's a pretty normal looking ass on
>>> the donkey", as anything else.
>>>
>>> They all agreed they had heard someone use the word ass when
>>> referring to a donkey, but that it was seldom, and unusual.
>>>
>> The understood meaning of "Don't be an ass" is:
>>
>> https://photos.smugmug.com/ANIMALS/i-xXhSSST/0/dcae4050/X3/2009-04-30-1-X3.jpg
>
>A regular in this group - and I'm ashamed to admit I've forgotten who it
>was - expressed it a little differently:
>
><quote>
>A burrow is a hole in the ground. A burro is a donkey. As a journalist,
>you are supposed to know the difference.
></quote>

A "burro" is also a kind of Mexican food, although it's more commonly
called a "burrito."

And in Italian, burro," is the word for "butter."

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 by: Ken Blake - Tue, 17 May 2022 15:48 UTC

On Mon, 16 May 2022 21:12:49 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:

>On 2022-05-16 11:15, Quinn C wrote:
>> * lar3ryca:
>>
>>> On 2022-05-14 18:42, Ross Clark wrote:
>>>> On 15/05/2022 7:08 a.m., Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>>> On 14-May-22 16:17, occam wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ever in search of new and interesting  words in the English language, I
>>>>>> bring you 'Asshat'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> “a stupid, annoying, or detestable person”
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/some-notes-on-asshat-word-history>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know you probably all have several candidates worthy of the word.
>>>>>> However I urge you to use it carefully and sparingly so as not to
>>>>>> diminish its potency. (It's a keeper, as they say in collector circles.)
>>>>>
>>>>> AmE, but I think it has been around for quite some time.
>>>>> Evidently one person's neologism is another's old hat.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mentioned (and often used) in both a.u.e and sci.lang since about 2006.
>>>> Green treats it as a variant of "ass-head", which is centuries old, but
>>>> has only one actual citation of "asshat" (as (probably US) "campus
>>>> slang", 2003). OED 2002, 2015. Note that in the old form "ass" referred
>>>> to the quadruped, not the body part. If the US term is related, there
>>>> has been a semantic reinterpretation.
>>>
>>> I would be willing to bet that 99% of Americans and Canadians would not
>>> think of a donkey when they hear the word 'ass'.
>>
>> How is it understood in "When you assume, you make an ass of u and me"?
>
>Never thought about it. It's just a cutesy way of saying "don't make
>assumptions".

It's a very common saying, but one I completely disagree with. Nobody
can avoid making assumptions. We all make them all the time. Everyone
makes assumptions every second. Some assumptions are good to make,
others are bad.

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 by: Jerry Friedman - Tue, 17 May 2022 16:05 UTC

On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 4:09:38 AM UTC-6, Peter Moylan wrote:
> On 17/05/22 14:55, Tony Cooper wrote:
> > On Mon, 16 May 2022 20:50:58 -0600, lar3ryca <la...@invalid.ca>
> > wrote:
> >> On 2022-05-16 01:02, occam wrote:
>
> >>> What about the commandment: "Thou Shalt Not Covet Thy Neighbour's
> >>> ... Ass". Would your mind go to your neighbour's posterior, or
> >>> her donkey?
> >>
> >> No idea. Is that a real commandment?
> >>
> >> An informal survey I did today yielded opinions from 3 folks. All
> >> said they would not think of a donkey unless the context was very
> >> obvious. A brother-in-law said that if he heard someone say, while
> >> pointing to a donkey, and saying "that's a really small ass', he
> >> would be as likely to answer "That's a pretty normal looking ass on
> >> the donkey", as anything else.
> >>
> >> They all agreed they had heard someone use the word ass when
> >> referring to a donkey, but that it was seldom, and unusual.
> >>
> > The understood meaning of "Don't be an ass" is:
> >
> > https://photos.smugmug.com/ANIMALS/i-xXhSSST/0/dcae4050/X3/2009-04-30-1-X3.jpg
> A regular in this group - and I'm ashamed to admit I've forgotten who it
> was - expressed it a little differently:
>
> <quote>
> A burrow is a hole in the ground. A burro is a donkey. As a journalist,
> you are supposed to know the difference.
> </quote>

I've quoted or misquoted that here. Evan Kirshenbaum gave an earlier version, from 1975.

https://groups.google.com/g/alt.usage.english/c/vCg6P1wZElA/m/2cTJSSySH84J

--
Jerry Friedman

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On Tue, 17 May 2022 08:41:52 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>
wrote:

>On Mon, 16 May 2022 20:50:58 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>
>>On 2022-05-16 01:02, occam wrote:
>>> On 15/05/2022 18:50, lar3ryca wrote:
>>>> On 2022-05-15 10:35, Ken Blake wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 15 May 2022 10:18:06 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2022-05-15 09:43, Ken Blake wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 14 May 2022 21:16:01 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2022-05-14 18:42, Ross Clark wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 15/05/2022 7:08 a.m., Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 14-May-22 16:17, occam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ever in search of new and interesting  words in the English
>>>>>>>>>>> language, I
>>>>>>>>>>> bring you 'Asshat'.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> “a stupid, annoying, or detestable person”
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/some-notes-on-asshat-word-history>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I know you probably all have several candidates worthy of the word.
>>>>>>>>>>> However I urge you to use it carefully and sparingly so as not to
>>>>>>>>>>> diminish its potency. (It's a keeper, as they say in collector
>>>>>>>>>>> circles.)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> AmE, but I think it has been around for quite some time.
>>>>>>>>>> Evidently one person's neologism is another's old hat.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mentioned (and often used) in both a.u.e and sci.lang since about
>>>>>>>>> 2006.
>>>>>>>>> Green treats it as a variant of "ass-head", which is centuries
>>>>>>>>> old, but
>>>>>>>>> has only one actual citation of "asshat" (as (probably US) "campus
>>>>>>>>> slang", 2003). OED 2002, 2015. Note that in the old form "ass"
>>>>>>>>> referred
>>>>>>>>> to the quadruped, not the body part. If the US term is related, there
>>>>>>>>> has been a semantic reinterpretation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would be willing to bet that 99% of Americans and Canadians would
>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>> think of a donkey when they hear the word 'ass'.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Whether I would or not depends entirely on the context of the sentence
>>>>>>> it's used in. The same is probably true of 99% of Americans and
>>>>>>> Canadians.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Shove it up your ass.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There was an ass in the stable along with the horses.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> While that is true, how often do you suppose an American or Canadian
>>>>>> would say that, as opposed to "There was a donkey in the stable...".
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Seldom. Nevertheless "ass" would be correctly understood by almost
>>>>> everyone, and that was my point.
>>>>
>>>> Again true, but (and I can only speak for myself) that sentence would
>>>> cause me some delay in trying to figure out which definition the speaker
>>>> meant, as I never call the animal an ass, and for all I know, there may
>>>> well have been an undesirable person in the stable.
>>>>
>>>
>>> What about the commandment: "Thou Shalt Not Covet Thy Neighbour's ...
>>> Ass". Would your mind go to your neighbour's posterior, or her donkey?
>>
>>No idea. Is that a real commandment?
>>
>>An informal survey I did today yielded opinions from 3 folks. All said
>>they would not think of a donkey unless the context was very obvious. A
>>brother-in-law said that if he heard someone say, while pointing to a
>>donkey, and saying "that's a really small ass', he would be as likely to
>>answer "That's a pretty normal looking ass on the donkey", as anything else.
>>
>>They all agreed they had heard someone use the word ass when referring
>>to a donkey, but that it was seldom, and unusual.
>
>
>Seldom and unusual, yes. But I still disagree that "99% of Americans
>and Canadians would not think of a donkey when they hear the word
>'ass'." Again, it depends on the context. Also regardless of context,
>I think 99% is way too high a percentage.
>
>And by the way, if I heard someone say "I saw an ass walking down the
>street," I would think of a donkey, not a person he was disparaging.
>If I want to disparage someone, I'd be much more likely to call him a
>"jackass"

....or an "asshole."

> rather than an "ass."

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On 2022-05-17 09:19, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> On Tue, 17 May 2022 07:35:22 -0700 (PDT)
> "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 10:51:04 PM UTC-4, lar3ryca wrote:
>>> On 2022-05-16 01:02, occam wrote:
>>
>>>> What about the commandment: "Thou Shalt Not Covet Thy Neighbour's ...
>>>> Ass". Would your mind go to your neighbour's posterior, or her donkey?
>>>
>>> No idea. Is that a real commandment?
>>
>> lmgtfy.
>>
>> No, do it your lazy (not to mention ignorant) self.
>>
>> Imagine someone raised in Western Civilization who is not familiar
>> with the Decalogue.
>
> Imagine no possessions.

Imagine no PtD (Peter the Donkey).

I won't look it up because I don't give a rat's ass.

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 by: Quinn C - Tue, 17 May 2022 18:04 UTC

* Peter T. Daniels:

> On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 10:51:04 PM UTC-4, lar3ryca wrote:
>> On 2022-05-16 01:02, occam wrote:
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>>> What about the commandment: "Thou Shalt Not Covet Thy Neighbour's ...
>>> Ass". Would your mind go to your neighbour's posterior, or her donkey?
>>
>> No idea. Is that a real commandment?
>
> lmgtfy.
>
> No, do it your lazy (not to mention ignorant) self.
>
> Imagine someone raised in Western Civilization who is not familiar
> with the Decalogue.

Imagine someone not familiar with irony.

It's clear that it's not a real commandment because the neighbor is a
she. For the writers of the Bible, a woman couldn't be a neighbor in her
own right, only a neighbor's wife.

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Tue, 17 May 2022 07:35:22 -0700 (PDT): "Peter T. Daniels"
<grammatim@verizon.net> scribeva:
>Imagine someone raised in Western Civilization who is not familiar
>with the Decalogue.

I know them since childhood ("De Tien Geboden"), but not this word
Dekalog. I recognised the Greek elements, of course, and guessed the
meaning.
Confirmed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dekalog
The Ten Commandments.

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