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 by: Peter Moylan - Tue, 17 May 2022 11:24 UTC

On 17/05/22 21:09, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> On 2022-05-17 10:43:10 +0000, J. J. Lodder said:
>
>> Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> [ … ]
>
>>>
>>> I wonder if the author knew that lemmings don't really do that &
>>> it was part of the gag.
>>
>> But lemmings really do that, in Hollywoood science, so in American
>> reality,
>
> Real lemmings don't commit mass suicide, but they do migrate in vast
> numbers, and that is probably the origin of the myth. A more
> interesting thing about lemmings is their weird system of sex
> chromosomes, leading to a population that is 75% female.

As I understand it, the migration in large numbers is the reason for the
popular myth. In such crowded conditions, if they run along the edge of
a cliff then some of them are going to fall off the edge, and I believe
that that is what has been observed.

Thanks for the information about the sex chromosomes. I didn't know
that. The first reference I found on the subject suggests that it's more
complicated than I would have guessed.

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

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 by: J. J. Lodder - Tue, 17 May 2022 12:34 UTC

Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:

> On 17/05/22 21:09, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> > On 2022-05-17 10:43:10 +0000, J. J. Lodder said:
> >
> >> Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> [ … ]
> >
> >>>
> >>> I wonder if the author knew that lemmings don't really do that &
> >>> it was part of the gag.
> >>
> >> But lemmings really do that, in Hollywoood science, so in American
> >> reality,
> >
> > Real lemmings don't commit mass suicide, but they do migrate in vast
> > numbers, and that is probably the origin of the myth. A more
> > interesting thing about lemmings is their weird system of sex
> > chromosomes, leading to a population that is 75% female.
>
> As I understand it, the migration in large numbers is the reason for the
> popular myth. In such crowded conditions, if they run along the edge of
> a cliff then some of them are going to fall off the edge, and I believe
> that that is what has been observed.

The origin of the popular myth is a Disney movie.
Disney later admitted to having brought in the lemmings
in crates, and that Disney personel behind the camera
had been throwing the lemmings off some cliff.

When found out, much later, Disney apologised.
The resulting scandal was the cause of all those
'no real animanls were harmed...' disclaimers
on later movies.

What is true is that lemmings have mass migrations,
and that animals do die during them.
(but that is true of many other species)

Jan

> Thanks for the information about the sex chromosomes. I didn't know
> that. The first reference I found on the subject suggests that it's more
> complicated than I would have guessed.

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 by: occam - Tue, 17 May 2022 12:45 UTC

On 17/05/2022 11:38, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> On 17/05/2022 9:58 am, occam wrote:
>>
>> On 16/05/2022 22:35, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>> I looked. I saw 48 seconds of this Carlson character. He said a bunch of
>>> stuff about "replacement" that may or may not be true (I have no opinion
>>> on whether it's true). I presume that those calling him a racist will
>>> claim that his claims are not true, and presumable he thinks that they
>>> are true. I don't see that this evidence moves us forward much if at all
>>> until we can establish whether the claims are true.
>>>
>>> I am reminded to some extent of Enoch Powell.
>>
>> Heh! If I recall well, Enoch was in favour of forced expulsion
>
> Ah, then you know more about him than I do. What I recall was his
> warning that integration isn't as simple as the naive believe, and that
> it is folly to sweep the matter under the carpet by calling 'racist'
> anyone who dares to discuss the matter.
>
> "Above all, people are disposed to mistake predicting troubles for
> causing troubles and even for desiring troubles: "If only," they love to
> think, "if only people wouldn't talk about it, it probably wouldn't
> happen.""
>
>> Are you saying [Powell] was not a racist? Was his becoming an outcast not
>> merited? Remember, not only did the Conservative party disown him, but
>> his career as a politician rapidly degenerated into nothingness.
>
> He dared to discuss uncontrolled immigration. That is more than enough
> for many people to condemn him as a racist.
>

Richard, he did more than just 'discuss' uncontrolled immigration. He
advocated the forced resettlement of the immigrant population of the UK.
Fortunately the Conservatives were not in government at the time, and
his powerful rhetoric only led to his own demise.

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 by: Richard Heathfield - Tue, 17 May 2022 13:29 UTC

On 17/05/2022 1:45 pm, occam wrote:
> On 17/05/2022 11:38, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>> On 17/05/2022 9:58 am, occam wrote:
>>>
>>> On 16/05/2022 22:35, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>>> I looked. I saw 48 seconds of this Carlson character. He said a bunch of
>>>> stuff about "replacement" that may or may not be true (I have no opinion
>>>> on whether it's true). I presume that those calling him a racist will
>>>> claim that his claims are not true, and presumable he thinks that they
>>>> are true. I don't see that this evidence moves us forward much if at all
>>>> until we can establish whether the claims are true.
>>>>
>>>> I am reminded to some extent of Enoch Powell.
>>>
>>> Heh! If I recall well, Enoch was in favour of forced expulsion
>>
>> Ah, then you know more about him than I do. What I recall was his
>> warning that integration isn't as simple as the naive believe, and that
>> it is folly to sweep the matter under the carpet by calling 'racist'
>> anyone who dares to discuss the matter.
>>
>> "Above all, people are disposed to mistake predicting troubles for
>> causing troubles and even for desiring troubles: "If only," they love to
>> think, "if only people wouldn't talk about it, it probably wouldn't
>> happen.""
>>
>>> Are you saying [Powell] was not a racist? Was his becoming an outcast not
>>> merited? Remember, not only did the Conservative party disown him, but
>>> his career as a politician rapidly degenerated into nothingness.
>>
>> He dared to discuss uncontrolled immigration. That is more than enough
>> for many people to condemn him as a racist.
>>
>
> Richard, he did more than just 'discuss' uncontrolled immigration. He
> advocated

Clearly a racist, then, because discussion's quite bad enough. Of
course he suffered from the crippling weakness of being on the
political right. If you're on the left, you get a free pass
(Diane Abbott, Joe Biden etc).

--
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Sig line 4 vacant - apply within

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 by: Tony Cooper - Tue, 17 May 2022 13:46 UTC

On Tue, 17 May 2022 08:14:08 +0100, Richard Heathfield
<rjh@cpax.org.uk> wrote:

>On 17/05/2022 1:36 am, Tony Cooper wrote:
>> On Mon, 16 May 2022 21:35:18 +0100, Richard Heathfield
>> <rjh@cpax.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On 16/05/2022 5:30 pm, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>>>> Richard has expressed scepticism about Tucker Carlson's far-right
>>>> propaganda. He might want to look at this:
>>>>
>>>> https://crooksandliars.com/2022/05/jim-acosta-calls-out-tucker-carlson-name
>>>
>>> I looked. I saw 48 seconds of this Carlson character. He said a
>>> bunch of stuff about "replacement" that may or may not be true (I
>>> have no opinion on whether it's true).
>>
>> I think if you want to comment on something that you should at least
>> read or listen to what you are commenting on and have some
>> understanding of the subject.
>
>The "something" on which I have been commenting is racism, and
>whether evidence can be produced to show that Tucker Carlson is a
>racist.
>
>> The subject is the "The Great Replacement Theory".
>
>No, it isn't. The subject was whether Tucker Carlson was racist,

That has been a subject, and the video was posted on that subject. The
subject of the Carlson clip in that video was his comments on The
Great Replacement Theory".

>and I asked for evidence supporting that view. Athel, by
>directing this video to me by name, implied that it furthers the
>debate in which I was participating. In my view, it doesn't.

Ah, well, isn't there something about directing a horse that will not
take in what it is directed to?

You are right, of course. Visual evidence that Carlson incites racism
in others with a "bunch of stuff about 'replacement'" isn't evidence
that Carlson himself is a racist. It's just the "looks like a duck",
"walks like a duck" and "quacks like a duck" parts and doesn't prove
the "must be a duck" conclusion.

>> This is fairly condensed explantion of what that is:
>>
>> Begin quote: __________________________________________
>> WHAT IS THE ‘GREAT REPLACEMENT THEORY’?
>>
>> Simply put, the conspiracy theory says there’s a plot to diminish the
>> influence of white people.
>
>By careful use of the term "conspiracy theory" you indicate (a)
>that you don't subscribe to the theory, and that (b) people who
>do are nuts. Hardly a neutral position, then.

What's this? You are taking the position that what I write or say
indicates what I am? Wouldn't want to appy that to Carlson, would
you?

>> Believers
>
>So it's not even a theory. It's a religion. Don't Americans have
>freedom of religion yet?

Though an atheist, I believe you don't know the meanings of "believe".
>
>> If you watch the clips of Tucker Carlson, he says "That's what's
>> happening, actually. It's true."
>
>> He goes on about "poor people with
>> limited education."
>
>Most people are poor with limited education. If one is not
>allowed to talk about such people, one is forbidden from talking
>about most of one's own species.

Oh, he's allowed just as I am allowed to talk about the English having
bad teeth. What some might object to, though, is that by using only
that aspect when discussing the English I could be suggesting that the
English are somehow less worthy because of this.

>
>> The rest of his comments are replete with his
>> trademark facial gyrations and voice emphasis that are used to
>> buttress his spoken words and that the suggestion that this is a
>> problem is too ludicrous to consider
>
>This non-verbal communication has been raised before, but I don't
>see it. Maybe it's a culture thing?

Is it? The bad teeth may be a culture thing, but is myopia also a
culture thing with the English?

--

Tony Cooper - Orlando Florida

I read and post to this group as a form of entertainment.

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 by: lar3ryca - Tue, 17 May 2022 14:10 UTC

On 2022-05-17 04:23, Peter Moylan wrote:
> On 17/05/22 17:27, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>
>> I, too, am reminded of a short story, one in which a young black man
>> is on his way to A Big City to show the Powers That Be a Wonderful
>> New Invention that will Change The World. On the way to the railway
>> station, he is attacked by a Bunch of Racist Arseholes and battered
>> to death. The Wonderful New Invention lies trampled underfoot and
>> unregarded.
>
> I'm having trouble googling it, but I believe the story is "Mute Milton"
> by Harry Harrison. The black man's "nigger radio" was in fact an Arindam
> perpetual motion machine, getting its energy from the gravitational
> gradient. The invention was lost when he was shot by a cop.
>
> Slight correction, from memory: he was on his way to the bus station,
> not the railway station. But such a memory lapse is understandable from
> someone in a country where railway stations are much more common than
> bus stations.

Yes, the story is "Mute Milton". It appears in the following collections:

Prime Number
The Best of Harry Harrison
Galactic Dreams
50 in 50

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 by: Adam Funk - Tue, 17 May 2022 14:59 UTC

On 2022-05-17, J. J. Lodder wrote:

> Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 17/05/22 21:09, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>> > On 2022-05-17 10:43:10 +0000, J. J. Lodder said:
>> >
>> >> Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> [ … ]
>> >
>> >>>
>> >>> I wonder if the author knew that lemmings don't really do that &
>> >>> it was part of the gag.
>> >>
>> >> But lemmings really do that, in Hollywoood science, so in American
>> >> reality,
>> >
>> > Real lemmings don't commit mass suicide, but they do migrate in vast
>> > numbers, and that is probably the origin of the myth. A more
>> > interesting thing about lemmings is their weird system of sex
>> > chromosomes, leading to a population that is 75% female.
>>
>> As I understand it, the migration in large numbers is the reason for the
>> popular myth. In such crowded conditions, if they run along the edge of
>> a cliff then some of them are going to fall off the edge, and I believe
>> that that is what has been observed.
>
> The origin of the popular myth is a Disney movie.
> Disney later admitted to having brought in the lemmings
> in crates, and that Disney personel behind the camera
> had been throwing the lemmings off some cliff.
>
> When found out, much later, Disney apologised.
> The resulting scandal was the cause of all those
> 'no real animanls were harmed...' disclaimers
> on later movies.
>
> What is true is that lemmings have mass migrations,
> and that animals do die during them.
> (but that is true of many other species)

One reason is that they try to migrate across too large a body of
water, then get exhausted & drown partway.

>> Thanks for the information about the sex chromosomes. I didn't know
>> that. The first reference I found on the subject suggests that it's more
>> complicated than I would have guessed.

I didn't know about that.

--
Unix is a user-friendly operating system. It's just very choosy about
its friends.

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 by: Ken Blake - Tue, 17 May 2022 15:26 UTC

On Tue, 17 May 2022 11:32:13 +1000, Peter Moylan
<peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:

>On 17/05/22 04:20, Tony Cooper wrote:
>
>> I'll link to the article, but it may be paywall-blocked:
>>
>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2022/05/15/buffalo-suspect-great-replacement-theory-conservative-media/?utm_campaign>>
>> I'll quote the first paragraphs, though:
>>
>> "The suspect in Saturday’s killing of 10 people at a Buffalo
>> supermarket allegedly wrote a document endorsing “great replacement
>> theory,” a once-fringe racist idea that became a popular refrain
>> among media figures such as Tucker Carlson and Laura Ingraham of Fox
>> News and conservative writer Ann Coulter.
>>
>> Before the shooting rampage that also left three wounded, the
>> suspect, Payton S. Gendron, 18, allegedly posted a lengthy document
>> invoking the idea that White Americans were at risk of being
>> “replaced” by people of color because of immigration and higher
>> birthrates."
>
>This is reminiscent of the 1951 short story "The Marching Morons". It's
>based on the idea that highly intelligent people don't have as many
>children as those of low intelligence. The result, in the story set in
>the future, is that the average IQ has dropped to 45

Not possible. Since, by definition, "IQ" refers to the average, it has
to always be 100.

>and the burden of
>keeping the world running has fallen on the small handful of people
>whose IQ is 100 or more.

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 by: Richard Heathfield - Tue, 17 May 2022 15:54 UTC

On 17/05/2022 2:46 pm, Tony Cooper wrote:
> On Tue, 17 May 2022 08:14:08 +0100, Richard Heathfield
> <rjh@cpax.org.uk> wrote:

<snip>

>> and I asked for evidence supporting that view. Athel, by
>> directing this video to me by name, implied that it furthers the
>> debate in which I was participating. In my view, it doesn't.
>
> Ah, well, isn't there something about directing a horse that will not
> take in what it is directed to?

More question-begging. Okay.

--
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
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 by: CDB - Tue, 17 May 2022 16:04 UTC

On 5/16/2022 2:20 PM, Tony Cooper wrote:
> Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> wrote:

>> Richard has expressed scepticism about Tucker Carlson's far-right
>> propaganda. He might want to look at this:

>> https://crooksandliars.com/2022/05/jim-acosta-calls-out-tucker-carlson-name

>>
>>
>>
We had a candidate in the recent French election who was pushing the
>> Grand Remplacement theory in France. This was Éric Zemmour, who
>> makes Marine Le Pen look like soft-hearted liberal. Typically, for
>> the far right in France, he's more worried about Muslims from
>> North Africa than he is about black people from sub-Saharan Africa.
>> (His own parents, incidentally, were immigrants from Algeria.)
>> Fortunately he did rather badly in the election (just under 7%),
>> but who knows what will happen next time; he is young enough for
>> there to be a next time.

>> Not as many people have guns and ammunition in France as in the
>> USA. The drug dealers have their Kalashnikovs, of course, but
>> they're more interested in shooting one another than they are in
>> the Grand Remplacement.

> The "Replacement Theory" is getting a great deal of press in the US
> of late. Today's online _Washington Post_ has an extensive article
> on the subject. The article highlights Tucker Carlson's and Laura
> Ingraham's and Jeanine Pirro's frequent Fox News refrains on the
> subject. (All three are Fox News commentators)

> I'll link to the article, but it may be paywall-blocked:

> https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2022/05/15/buffalo-suspect-great-replacement-theory-conservative-media/?utm_campaign=

>
>
>
I'll quote the first paragraphs, though:

> "The suspect in Saturday’s killing of 10 people at a Buffalo
> supermarket allegedly wrote a document endorsing “great replacement
> theory,” a once-fringe racist idea that became a popular refrain
> among media figures such as Tucker Carlson and Laura Ingraham of Fox
> News and conservative writer Ann Coulter.

> Before the shooting rampage that also left three wounded, the
> suspect, Payton S. Gendron, 18, allegedly posted a lengthy document
> invoking the idea that White Americans were at risk of being
> “replaced” by people of color because of immigration and higher
> birthrates."

It's understandable that Black spokesums* point to racial hatred and
Replacement fears as the cause of these crimes, but I think they're
wrong. The reason little Gendron committed his murders is that he is a
deranged asshole; others of his kind have attacked women, Hispanics,
East Asians (and Taiwanese specifically), South Asians, Christians,
Muslims,and Gay people: any pretext that appeals to the DA will do. I
hope he pronounces his name ['dZEndr@n].

ObPunctuation: I decided on the fly to give "gay" a capital letter,
because it looked right; but that would also be a good way of
disambiguating its use.
____________________________
* The suffixed "-person" as a replacement for "-man" seems awkward,, and
I have begun thinking about using "-hum" or "-um" instead. It is
"human" with most of the objectionable part removed, and is spelt "hum"
except when (as above) the "h" looks like a part of the preceding
element; but it is always pronounced [@m].

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 by: Peter T. Daniels - Tue, 17 May 2022 16:08 UTC

On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 3:20:24 AM UTC-4, Richard Heathfield wrote:

> I don't mean to move the goalposts, but I was under the
> impression that the question was whether Tucker Carlson is a racist.

STOP REPEATING THAT LIE, AND READ THE FUCKING HEADER OF THE
OTHER THREAD.

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 by: CDB - Tue, 17 May 2022 16:23 UTC

On 5/17/2022 9:46 AM, Tony Cooper wrote:
> Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> wrote:
>> Tony Cooper wrote:

[der ewige Carlson]

>>> He goes on about "poor people with limited education."

>> Most people are poor with limited education. If one is not allowed
>> to talk about such people, one is forbidden from talking about
>> most of one's own species.

> Oh, he's allowed just as I am allowed to talk about the English
> having bad teeth. What some might object to, though, is that by
> using only that aspect when discussing the English I could be
> suggesting that the English are somehow less worthy because of this.

>>> The rest of his comments are replete with his trademark facial
>>> gyrations and voice emphasis that are used to buttress his
>>> spoken words and that the suggestion that this is a problem is
>>> too ludicrous to consider

>> This non-verbal communication has been raised before, but I don't
>> see it. Maybe it's a culture thing?

> Is it? The bad teeth may be a culture thing,

Englishums or Kornbluths. WP says he never brushed. I say that that is
probably what gve him his fatal heart attack when he was in his thirties.

> but is myopia also a culture thing with the English?

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 by: Jerry Friedman - Tue, 17 May 2022 16:28 UTC

On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 10:04:44 AM UTC-6, CDB wrote:
> On 5/16/2022 2:20 PM, Tony Cooper wrote:
....

> > The "Replacement Theory" is getting a great deal of press in the US
> > of late. Today's online _Washington Post_ has an extensive article
> > on the subject. The article highlights Tucker Carlson's and Laura
> > Ingraham's and Jeanine Pirro's frequent Fox News refrains on the
> > subject. (All three are Fox News commentators)
> > I'll link to the article, but it may be paywall-blocked:
>
> > https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2022/05/15/buffalo-suspect-great-replacement-theory-conservative-media/?utm_campaign=
>
> >
> >
> >
> I'll quote the first paragraphs, though:
>
> > "The suspect in Saturday’s killing of 10 people at a Buffalo
> > supermarket allegedly wrote a document endorsing “great replacement
> > theory,” a once-fringe racist idea that became a popular refrain
> > among media figures such as Tucker Carlson and Laura Ingraham of Fox
> > News and conservative writer Ann Coulter.
>
> > Before the shooting rampage that also left three wounded, the
> > suspect, Payton S. Gendron, 18, allegedly posted a lengthy document
> > invoking the idea that White Americans were at risk of being
> > “replaced” by people of color because of immigration and higher
> > birthrates."

> It's understandable that Black spokesums* point to racial hatred and
> Replacement fears as the cause of these crimes, but I think they're
> wrong. The reason little Gendron committed his murders is that he is a
> deranged asshole;

I suggest rephrasing that as "The alleged reason he allegedly committed
the alleged murders is that he's allegedly an allegedly deranged alleged
asshole." Or something along those lines; I'm not fussy.

> others of his kind have attacked women, Hispanics,
> East Asians (and Taiwanese specifically), South Asians, Christians,
> Muslims,and Gay people: any pretext that appeals to the DA will do.

Most of those are examples of racial hatred.

I believe there are pretexts that are more often combined with gun-
nuttery and violent language in my country at present, which may well help
push derangement to this particular extreme.

> I hope he pronounces his name ['dZEndr@n].

OK, why? At least, though, if he does, you won't be misgendroning him.
> ObPunctuation: I decided on the fly to give "gay" a capital letter,
> because it looked right; but that would also be a good way of
> disambiguating its use.

Capital "Black" is back in style, so it could happen.

> ____________________________
> * The suffixed "-person" as a replacement for "-man" seems awkward,, and
> I have begun thinking about using "-hum" or "-um" instead. It is
> "human" with most of the objectionable part removed, and is spelt "hum"
> except when (as above) the "h" looks like a part of the preceding
> element; but it is always pronounced [@m].

The journalistic "spox" is probably a more likely candidate.

--
Jerry Friedman

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 by: Tony Cooper - Tue, 17 May 2022 16:35 UTC

On Tue, 17 May 2022 12:04:35 -0400, CDB <bellemarecd@gmail.com> wrote:

>> Before the shooting rampage that also left three wounded, the
>> suspect, Payton S. Gendron, 18, allegedly posted a lengthy document
>> invoking the idea that White Americans were at risk of being
>> “replaced” by people of color because of immigration and higher
>> birthrates."
>
>It's understandable that Black spokesums* point to racial hatred and
>Replacement fears as the cause of these crimes, but I think they're
>wrong. The reason little Gendron committed his murders is that he is a
>deranged asshole;

Can't both be the reason? Can't it be said that he's a deranged
asshole who fixated on the Replacement Theory as the core of his
anger?

A deranged asshole without some theory of who the problem is, is just
a harmless deranged asshole. Once that deranged asshole figures out
who the problem is, then he becomes a deranged asshole that shoots
people.

This particular deranged asshole determined that the problem is Black
people, so he shot 11 people including 9 in his target group.

> others of his kind have attacked women, Hispanics,
>East Asians (and Taiwanese specifically), South Asians, Christians,
>Muslims,and Gay people: any pretext that appeals to the DA will do. I
>hope he pronounces his name ['dZEndr@n].
>
There are probably many other deranged assholes who are still
harmless, but on the brink of deciding who their target group will be.

--

Tony Cooper - Orlando Florida

I read and post to this group as a form of entertainment.

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 by: Tony Cooper - Tue, 17 May 2022 16:40 UTC

On Tue, 17 May 2022 08:20:19 +0100, Richard Heathfield
<rjh@cpax.org.uk> wrote:

>I don't mean to move the goalposts, but I was under the
>impression that the question was whether Tucker Carlson is a racist.
>

No, the question is whether or not there is "evidence" that Tucker
Carlson is a racist, and - more specifically - if the evidence is
sufficient to convince you.

--

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 by: Rich Ulrich - Tue, 17 May 2022 16:47 UTC

On Tue, 17 May 2022 08:20:19 +0100, Richard Heathfield
<rjh@cpax.org.uk> wrote:

>On 17/05/2022 2:29 am, Peter Moylan wrote:
>> On 17/05/22 06:35, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>> On 16/05/2022 5:30 pm, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>>>> Richard has expressed scepticism about Tucker Carlson's far-right
>>>> propaganda. He might want to look at this:
>>>>
>>>> https://crooksandliars.com/2022/05/jim-acosta-calls-out-tucker-carlson-name
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I looked. I saw 48 seconds of this Carlson character. He said a
>>> bunch
>>> of stuff about "replacement" that may or may not be true (I
>>> have no
>>> opinion on whether it's true). I presume that those calling him a
>>> racist will claim that his claims are not true, and presumable he
>>> thinks that they are true. I don't see that this evidence moves us
>>> forward much if at all until we can establish whether the
>>> claims are
>>> true.
>>>
>>> I am reminded to some extent of Enoch Powell.
>>
>> You've moved the goalposts. The question is not whether his
>> claims are
>> true, but whether he made the claims.
>
>I don't mean to move the goalposts, but I was under the
>impression that the question was whether Tucker Carlson is a racist.
>
>> Or are you suggesting that replacement theory is not racist because
>> white people have a legitimate fear of being replaced by blacks?
>
>That's a very packed question. Is such a fear legitimate? Or is
>it racist? Would it be a legitimate fear, or a racist fear, when
>expressed by native Americans in the 18th century --- i.e. a fear
>of being replaced by colonials? I see a lot of question-begging
>going on in this thread.

This seems very similar to what I resolved (to my own satisfaction)
when considering whether Donald Trump is racist.

A phrase he (and his son) have used is, "not a racist bone" in
his body. Essence. A Black icon, a Congressman who died
a couple of years ago, observed that Trump often had said and
done many racist things, all his life. Behaviors. I think that
literary theory talks about what is incidental or accidental to
a character as the contrast to what is essential.

I concluded that Trump is a solid, clinical case of narcissism,
probably rooted in a brain mis-wired from birth (the way
people discuss autism). His privileged, "entitled" upbringing
shielded him from the worst consequences -- his "incorrigible
delinquency" delivered him to a military academy at age 13,
not to an ordinary hell-hole for juvenile delilnquents.

He does not share a common moral universe with the rest of us.
He DOES honor his own checklist of behaviors that too many
other people have agreed are too blatant. He seldom modifies
that list.

His version of morality requires that he strike back viciously, in
words or otherwise, at anyone inferior who offends him; and
almost anyone who is not rich or a source of possible favors is
"inferior."

When he strikes back, he uses the resources available, verbal and
other. It often will happen that his words or actions will be racist
or sexist or other -ist, because those ways of being vicious are
what make up our common vocabulary.

So, he does not have a specific dislike, etc., for Blacks; he is
mean and nasty and vicious without regard to race, color or
creed, so long as it achieves something self-aggrandizing. He
is a genius at titrating insults and assaults. Praising racists
personally while condemning acts of violence seems to be a
successful stragety.

Tucker Carlson: In the clips I have seen in the last few days,
his target of hate is DEMOCRATS. The Dems are recruiting
11 million foreigners as "replacements" who will "obediently"
(he used that word in a half-dozen different clips) vote for
Democrats. This rant seems to ignore the 10 or 20 year waiting
period before most immigrants are apt to be eligible to vote,
or the privacy of the voting booth. But Donald Trump has
introduced that irrationality throughout his term as President,
as he flipped from one excuse after another to explain why
a "real" count would have showed that he did not lose
California by millions of votes in 2016.

So, from what I saw, it looked like Tucker Carlson is riding
a racist hobby-horse to make another point. I don't know
what it takes to show that a person is /essentially/ a racist ...
or if that is a "thing" can be demonstrated about someone
who disclaims it. I did see Trump's buddy, (pardoned felon)
Steve Bannon, in a clip at a Supremacist convention where
Bannon encouraged the crowd to reclaim the term, to brag
of being racist.

--
Rich Ulrich

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 by: Richard Heathfield - Tue, 17 May 2022 16:54 UTC

On 17/05/2022 5:40 pm, Tony Cooper wrote:
> On Tue, 17 May 2022 08:20:19 +0100, Richard Heathfield
> <rjh@cpax.org.uk> wrote:
>
>
>> I don't mean to move the goalposts, but I was under the
>> impression that the question was whether Tucker Carlson is a racist.
>>
>
> No, the question is whether or not there is "evidence" that Tucker
> Carlson is a racist,

Clearly no doubt in your mind, then.

> more specifically - if the evidence is
> sufficient to convince you.

If ever it is, the question will be whether Tucker Carlson is a
racist and the answer will be 'yes', but until and unless we
reach that point, the answer is 'insufficient evidence has been
presented'.

The trouble is that we've reached the point where "look at the
way his eye twitches" is considered evidence that the man is a
racist, and that those who remain unconvinced by such "nonsense"
are considered to be indulging in sophistry, since it is clearly
self-evident that a white bloke in a sharp suit must be a racist
if he has a TV show and looks at the camera in a funny way.

It is truly pathetic.

--
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
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 by: Richard Heathfield - Tue, 17 May 2022 17:00 UTC

On 17/05/2022 5:47 pm, Rich Ulrich wrote:
> On Tue, 17 May 2022 08:20:19 +0100, Richard Heathfield
> <rjh@cpax.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 17/05/2022 2:29 am, Peter Moylan wrote:
>>> On 17/05/22 06:35, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>>> On 16/05/2022 5:30 pm, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>>>>> Richard has expressed scepticism about Tucker Carlson's far-right
>>>>> propaganda. He might want to look at this:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://crooksandliars.com/2022/05/jim-acosta-calls-out-tucker-carlson-name
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I looked. I saw 48 seconds of this Carlson character. He said a
>>>> bunch
>>>> of stuff about "replacement" that may or may not be true (I
>>>> have no
>>>> opinion on whether it's true). I presume that those calling him a
>>>> racist will claim that his claims are not true, and presumable he
>>>> thinks that they are true. I don't see that this evidence moves us
>>>> forward much if at all until we can establish whether the
>>>> claims are
>>>> true.
>>>>
>>>> I am reminded to some extent of Enoch Powell.
>>>
>>> You've moved the goalposts. The question is not whether his
>>> claims are
>>> true, but whether he made the claims.
>>
>> I don't mean to move the goalposts, but I was under the
>> impression that the question was whether Tucker Carlson is a racist.
>>
>>> Or are you suggesting that replacement theory is not racist because
>>> white people have a legitimate fear of being replaced by blacks?
>>
>> That's a very packed question. Is such a fear legitimate? Or is
>> it racist? Would it be a legitimate fear, or a racist fear, when
>> expressed by native Americans in the 18th century --- i.e. a fear
>> of being replaced by colonials? I see a lot of question-begging
>> going on in this thread.
>
> This seems very similar to what I resolved (to my own satisfaction)
> when considering whether Donald Trump is racist.
>
> A phrase he (and his son) have used is, "not a racist bone" in
> his body. Essence. A Black icon, a Congressman who died
> a couple of years ago, observed that Trump often had said and
> done many racist things, all his life. Behaviors. I think that
> literary theory talks about what is incidental or accidental to
> a character as the contrast to what is essential.
>
> I concluded that Trump is a solid, clinical case of narcissism,
> probably rooted in a brain mis-wired from birth (the way
> people discuss autism). His privileged, "entitled" upbringing
> shielded him from the worst consequences -- his "incorrigible
> delinquency" delivered him to a military academy at age 13,
> not to an ordinary hell-hole for juvenile delilnquents.
>
> He does not share a common moral universe with the rest of us.
> He DOES honor his own checklist of behaviors that too many
> other people have agreed are too blatant. He seldom modifies
> that list.
>
> His version of morality requires that he strike back viciously, in
> words or otherwise, at anyone inferior who offends him; and
> almost anyone who is not rich or a source of possible favors is
> "inferior."
>
> When he strikes back, he uses the resources available, verbal and
> other. It often will happen that his words or actions will be racist
> or sexist or other -ist, because those ways of being vicious are
> what make up our common vocabulary.
>
> So, he does not have a specific dislike, etc., for Blacks; he is
> mean and nasty and vicious without regard to race, color or
> creed, so long as it achieves something self-aggrandizing. He
> is a genius at titrating insults and assaults. Praising racists
> personally while condemning acts of violence seems to be a
> successful stragety.
>
>
> Tucker Carlson: In the clips I have seen in the last few days,
> his target of hate is DEMOCRATS. The Dems are recruiting
> 11 million foreigners as "replacements" who will "obediently"
> (he used that word in a half-dozen different clips) vote for
> Democrats. This rant seems to ignore the 10 or 20 year waiting
> period before most immigrants are apt to be eligible to vote,
> or the privacy of the voting booth. But Donald Trump has
> introduced that irrationality throughout his term as President,
> as he flipped from one excuse after another to explain why
> a "real" count would have showed that he did not lose
> California by millions of votes in 2016.
>
> So, from what I saw, it looked like Tucker Carlson is riding
> a racist hobby-horse to make another point. I don't know
> what it takes to show that a person is /essentially/ a racist ...
> or if that is a "thing" can be demonstrated about someone
> who disclaims it. I did see Trump's buddy, (pardoned felon)
> Steve Bannon, in a clip at a Supremacist convention where
> Bannon encouraged the crowd to reclaim the term, to brag
> of being racist.

In my view your reply (cited in full above) is the most
intelligent contribution to this thread so far.

--
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
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 by: bruce bowser - Tue, 17 May 2022 17:20 UTC

On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 12:40:41 PM UTC-4, Tony Cooper wrote:
> On Tue, 17 May 2022 08:20:19 +0100, Richard Heathfield
> <r...@cpax.org.uk> wrote:
>
>
> >I don't mean to move the goalposts, but I was under the
> >impression that the question was whether Tucker Carlson is a racist.
> >
> No, the question is whether or not there is "evidence" that Tucker
> Carlson is a racist, and - more specifically - if the evidence is
> sufficient to convince you.

The point is, are his followers encouraged to be even more racist every time they hear him.

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 by: Lewis - Tue, 17 May 2022 17:22 UTC

In message <3r5clixnku.ln2@news.ducksburg.com> Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> wrote:
> On 2022-05-17, Peter Moylan wrote:

>> On 17/05/22 04:20, Tony Cooper wrote:
>>
>>> I'll link to the article, but it may be paywall-blocked:
>>>
>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2022/05/15/buffalo-suspect-great-replacement-theory-conservative-media/?utm_campaign=
>>>
>>> I'll quote the first paragraphs, though:
>>>
>>> "The suspect in Saturday’s killing of 10 people at a Buffalo
>>> supermarket allegedly wrote a document endorsing “great replacement
>>> theory,” a once-fringe racist idea that became a popular refrain
>>> among media figures such as Tucker Carlson and Laura Ingraham of Fox
>>> News and conservative writer Ann Coulter.
>>>
>>> Before the shooting rampage that also left three wounded, the
>>> suspect, Payton S. Gendron, 18, allegedly posted a lengthy document
>>> invoking the idea that White Americans were at risk of being
>>> “replaced” by people of color because of immigration and higher
>>> birthrates."
>>
>> This is reminiscent of the 1951 short story "The Marching Morons". It's
>> based on the idea that highly intelligent people don't have as many
>> children as those of low intelligence. The result, in the story set in
>> the future, is that the average IQ has dropped to 45 and the burden of
>> keeping the world running has fallen on the small handful of people
>> whose IQ is 100 or more.

> I just looked that up & found this:

> Barlow derives a solution based on his experience in scamming
> people into buying worthless land and knowledge of lemmings' mass
> migration into the sea
>
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Marching_Morons>

> I wonder if the author knew that lemmings don't really do that & it
> was part of the gag.

Part of the gag?

I think you need to look up the whole lemmings thing.

This is a start:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemming#Misconceptions>

--
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is that there is a significant overlap in intelligence between
the smartest bears and the dumbest humans.

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 by: Lewis - Tue, 17 May 2022 17:28 UTC

In message <3n678h9ovvb3bbilo53ttf0g83iuf507r9@4ax.com> Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ah, well, isn't there something about directing a horse that will not
> take in what it is directed to?

He's going to defend the racists and the xenophobes every time.

> You are right, of course. Visual evidence that Carlson incites racism
> in others with a "bunch of stuff about 'replacement'" isn't evidence
> that Carlson himself is a racist. It's just the "looks like a duck",
> "walks like a duck" and "quacks like a duck" parts and doesn't prove
> the "must be a duck" conclusion.

This is how RH argues he himself is not a racists, despite espousing and
defending racist positions.

> What's this? You are taking the position that what I write or say
> indicates what I am? Wouldn't want to appy that to Carlson, would
> you?

Not to Fucker Carlson and not to himself either.

It it talks like a racist and defends racists and wants the 'freedom' to
be racist, it's a racists.

best plan is to walk away.

--
"Remember -- that which does not kill us can only make us stronger."
"And that which *does* kill us leaves us *dead*!"

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 by: Lewis - Tue, 17 May 2022 17:40 UTC

In message <88i78hhpi6tjvo9pjjbhk5atm4d3remko7@4ax.com> Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 17 May 2022 12:04:35 -0400, CDB <bellemarecd@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> Before the shooting rampage that also left three wounded, the
>>> suspect, Payton S. Gendron, 18, allegedly posted a lengthy document
>>> invoking the idea that White Americans were at risk of being
>>> “replaced” by people of color because of immigration and higher
>>> birthrates."
>>
>>It's understandable that Black spokesums* point to racial hatred and
>>Replacement fears as the cause of these crimes, but I think they're
>>wrong. The reason little Gendron committed his murders is that he is a
>>deranged asshole;

> Can't both be the reason? Can't it be said that he's a deranged
> asshole who fixated on the Replacement Theory as the core of his
> anger?

That is certainly the case, and that fear and anger was reinforced over
and over by people like, and primarily in this case, Fucker Carlson
preaching racism and hatred, something he's been doing for a long time
along with the rest of the cast of Fox News, liars and grifters, one and
all.

> A deranged asshole without some theory of who the problem is, is just
> a harmless deranged asshole. Once that deranged asshole figures out
> who the problem is, then he becomes a deranged asshole that shoots
> people.

exactly.

> This particular deranged asshole determined that the problem is Black
> people, so he shot 11 people including 9 in his target group.

No no, he was told that the problem was the black people were on a
secret mission to replace all the white people with black people.

A theory so astonishingly stupid it really is a wonder that anyone is
stupid enough to believe it, but it is impossible to plumb the depths of
human stupidity when it comes to racism and hatred (and batshit crazy
conspiracy theories).

>> others of his kind have attacked women, Hispanics,
>>East Asians (and Taiwanese specifically), South Asians, Christians,
>>Muslims,and Gay people: any pretext that appeals to the DA will do. I
>>hope he pronounces his name ['dZEndr@n].

> There are probably many other deranged assholes who are still
> harmless, but on the brink of deciding who their target group will be.

There's a new mass shooting everyday, and the problem continues to get
worse and worse thanks to the Russian funded GOP and the Russian-funded
NRA. There were *FIVE* yesterday, and over 200 this year.

<https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting>

Um.. day-before-yesterday,

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To steal ideas from one person is plagiarism. To steal from many
is research.

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On 2022-05-17 10:28, Jerry Friedman wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 10:04:44 AM UTC-6, CDB wrote:
>> On 5/16/2022 2:20 PM, Tony Cooper wrote:
> ...
>
>>> The "Replacement Theory" is getting a great deal of press in the US
>>> of late. Today's online _Washington Post_ has an extensive article
>>> on the subject. The article highlights Tucker Carlson's and Laura
>>> Ingraham's and Jeanine Pirro's frequent Fox News refrains on the
>>> subject. (All three are Fox News commentators)
>>> I'll link to the article, but it may be paywall-blocked:
>>
>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2022/05/15/buffalo-suspect-great-replacement-theory-conservative-media/?utm_campaign=
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> I'll quote the first paragraphs, though:
>>
>>> "The suspect in Saturday’s killing of 10 people at a Buffalo
>>> supermarket allegedly wrote a document endorsing “great replacement
>>> theory,” a once-fringe racist idea that became a popular refrain
>>> among media figures such as Tucker Carlson and Laura Ingraham of Fox
>>> News and conservative writer Ann Coulter.
>>
>>> Before the shooting rampage that also left three wounded, the
>>> suspect, Payton S. Gendron, 18, allegedly posted a lengthy document
>>> invoking the idea that White Americans were at risk of being
>>> “replaced” by people of color because of immigration and higher
>>> birthrates."
>
>> It's understandable that Black spokesums* point to racial hatred and
>> Replacement fears as the cause of these crimes, but I think they're
>> wrong. The reason little Gendron committed his murders is that he is a
>> deranged asshole;
>
> I suggest rephrasing that as "The alleged reason he allegedly committed
> the alleged murders is that he's allegedly an allegedly deranged alleged
> asshole." Or something along those lines; I'm not fussy.

It sounds like you've been listening to CTV news from Canada. I don't
know if it's the entire national news team, or just the illiterates in
the Regina outlet that do it, but they have a habit of misusing alleged.

"The robber fled the alleged crime scene in an alleged pickup truck."

Welcome back, Jerry.

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 by: bil...@shaw.ca - Tue, 17 May 2022 19:45 UTC

On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 3:26:14 AM UTC-7, Peter Moylan wrote:
> On 17/05/22 19:17, Adam Funk wrote:
> > On 2022-05-17, Peter Moylan wrote:
>
> >> This is reminiscent of the 1951 short story "The Marching Morons". It's
> >> based on the idea that highly intelligent people don't have as many
> >> children as those of low intelligence. The result, in the story set in
> >> the future, is that the average IQ has dropped to 45 and the burden of
> >> keeping the world running has fallen on the small handful of people
> >> whose IQ is 100 or more.
> >
> > I just looked that up & found this:
> >
> > Barlow derives a solution based on his experience in scamming
> > people into buying worthless land and knowledge of lemmings' mass
> > migration into the sea
> >
> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Marching_Morons>
> >
> > I wonder if the author knew that lemmings don't really do that & it
> > was part of the gag.
> We know more about lemmings now, but the image of lemmings throwing
> themselves off cliffs is so embedded in the popular culture that we'll
> never get rid of it.

We're almost rid of it now, actually. Your mention in the above post was the first
I've encountered in at least a decade. And considering that the main thrust
behind the myth for the last half century or so was a staged scene -- i.e.,
it didn't actually happen -- in a 1958 Walt Disney movie, it has little or no traction
here in the 21st century.

bill, cow-tipping, anyone?

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Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 17 May 2022 11:32:13 +1000, Peter Moylan
> <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:
>
> >On 17/05/22 04:20, Tony Cooper wrote:
> >
> >> I'll link to the article, but it may be paywall-blocked:
> >>
> >> https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2022/05/15/buffalo-suspect-great-repla
cement-theory-conservative-media/?utm_campaign=
> >>
> >> I'll quote the first paragraphs, though:
> >>
> >> "The suspect in Saturday's killing of 10 people at a Buffalo
> >> supermarket allegedly wrote a document endorsing "great replacement
> >> theory,‰ a once-fringe racist idea that became a popular refrain
> >> among media figures such as Tucker Carlson and Laura Ingraham of Fox
> >> News and conservative writer Ann Coulter.
> >>
> >> Before the shooting rampage that also left three wounded, the
> >> suspect, Payton S. Gendron, 18, allegedly posted a lengthy document
> >> invoking the idea that White Americans were at risk of being
> >> "replaced‰ by people of color because of immigration and higher
> >> birthrates."
> >
> >This is reminiscent of the 1951 short story "The Marching Morons". It's
> >based on the idea that highly intelligent people don't have as many
> >children as those of low intelligence. The result, in the story set in
> >the future, is that the average IQ has dropped to 45
>
>
>
> Not possible. Since, by definition, "IQ" refers to the average, it has
> to always be 100.

Of course not. When a test is invented it has to be calibrated,
by setting the average -for a particular sample- to 100.

There is no guarantee that the average for other samples
must be 100 too, (and in fact it usually will not be)
If it drifts too far it may be recalibrated,
(see Flynn)

This is all part of the inherently unscientific aspect
of the whole thing.
What would you think of physicists who tell you
that they have to recalibrate the the speed of light every other year?

Jan

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