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From: rjh...@cpax.org.uk (Richard Heathfield)
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 by: Richard Heathfield - Tue, 17 May 2022 20:06 UTC

On 17/05/2022 8:42 pm, lar3ryca wrote:
> "The robber fled the alleged crime scene in an alleged pickup truck."

Allegedly.

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 by: J. J. Lodder - Tue, 17 May 2022 20:08 UTC

bil...@shaw.ca <billvan@shaw.ca> wrote:

> On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 3:26:14 AM UTC-7, Peter Moylan wrote:
> > On 17/05/22 19:17, Adam Funk wrote:
> > > On 2022-05-17, Peter Moylan wrote:
> >
> > >> This is reminiscent of the 1951 short story "The Marching Morons". It's
> > >> based on the idea that highly intelligent people don't have as many
> > >> children as those of low intelligence. The result, in the story set in
> > >> the future, is that the average IQ has dropped to 45 and the burden of
> > >> keeping the world running has fallen on the small handful of people
> > >> whose IQ is 100 or more.
> > >
> > > I just looked that up & found this:
> > >
> > > Barlow derives a solution based on his experience in scamming
> > > people into buying worthless land and knowledge of lemmings' mass
> > > migration into the sea
> > >
> > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Marching_Morons>
> > >
> > > I wonder if the author knew that lemmings don't really do that & it
> > > was part of the gag.
> > We know more about lemmings now, but the image of lemmings throwing
> > themselves off cliffs is so embedded in the popular culture that we'll
> > never get rid of it.
>
> We're almost rid of it now, actually. Your mention in the above post was
> the first I've encountered in at least a decade. And considering that the
> main thrust behind the myth for the last half century or so was a staged
> scene -- i.e., it didn't actually happen -- in a 1958 Walt Disney movie,
> it has little or no traction here in the 21st century.

You must have seen few Brexit cartoons,

Jan

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 by: Jerry Friedman - Tue, 17 May 2022 20:09 UTC

On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 1:42:16 PM UTC-6, lar3ryca wrote:
> On 2022-05-17 10:28, Jerry Friedman wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 10:04:44 AM UTC-6, CDB wrote:
....

> >> It's understandable that Black spokesums* point to racial hatred and
> >> Replacement fears as the cause of these crimes, but I think they're
> >> wrong. The reason little Gendron committed his murders is that he is a
> >> deranged asshole;
> >
> > I suggest rephrasing that as "The alleged reason he allegedly committed
> > the alleged murders is that he's allegedly an allegedly deranged alleged
> > asshole." Or something along those lines; I'm not fussy.

> It sounds like you've been listening to CTV news from Canada. I don't
> know if it's the entire national news team, or just the illiterates in
> the Regina outlet that do it, but they have a habit of misusing alleged.
>
> "The robber fled the alleged crime scene in an alleged pickup truck."
>
> Welcome back, Jerry.

Thank you.

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 by: lar3ryca - Tue, 17 May 2022 20:18 UTC

On 2022-05-17 11:28, Lewis wrote:
> In message <3n678h9ovvb3bbilo53ttf0g83iuf507r9@4ax.com> Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Ah, well, isn't there something about directing a horse that will not
>> take in what it is directed to?
>
> He's going to defend the racists and the xenophobes every time.
>
>> You are right, of course. Visual evidence that Carlson incites racism
>> in others with a "bunch of stuff about 'replacement'" isn't evidence
>> that Carlson himself is a racist. It's just the "looks like a duck",
>> "walks like a duck" and "quacks like a duck" parts and doesn't prove
>> the "must be a duck" conclusion.
>
> This is how RH argues he himself is not a racists, despite espousing and
> defending racist positions.

I would ask for evidence of that, but I figure it's pointless to ask
that of someone who sees racists everywhere he looks.

>> What's this? You are taking the position that what I write or say
>> indicates what I am? Wouldn't want to appy that to Carlson, would
>> you?
>
> Not to Fucker Carlson and not to himself either.
>
> It it talks like a racist and defends racists and wants the 'freedom' to
> be racist, it's a racists.
>
> best plan is to walk away.
>

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 by: Tony Cooper - Tue, 17 May 2022 20:39 UTC

On Tue, 17 May 2022 12:45:06 -0700 (PDT), "bil...@shaw.ca"
<billvan@shaw.ca> wrote:

>On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 3:26:14 AM UTC-7, Peter Moylan wrote:
>> On 17/05/22 19:17, Adam Funk wrote:
>> > On 2022-05-17, Peter Moylan wrote:
>>
>> >> This is reminiscent of the 1951 short story "The Marching Morons". It's
>> >> based on the idea that highly intelligent people don't have as many
>> >> children as those of low intelligence. The result, in the story set in
>> >> the future, is that the average IQ has dropped to 45 and the burden of
>> >> keeping the world running has fallen on the small handful of people
>> >> whose IQ is 100 or more.
>> >
>> > I just looked that up & found this:
>> >
>> > Barlow derives a solution based on his experience in scamming
>> > people into buying worthless land and knowledge of lemmings' mass
>> > migration into the sea
>> >
>> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Marching_Morons>
>> >
>> > I wonder if the author knew that lemmings don't really do that & it
>> > was part of the gag.
>> We know more about lemmings now, but the image of lemmings throwing
>> themselves off cliffs is so embedded in the popular culture that we'll
>> never get rid of it.
>
>We're almost rid of it now, actually. Your mention in the above post was the first
>I've encountered in at least a decade. And considering that the main thrust
>behind the myth for the last half century or so was a staged scene -- i.e.,
>it didn't actually happen -- in a 1958 Walt Disney movie, it has little or no traction
>here in the 21st century.
>
>bill, cow-tipping, anyone?

It's often part of an editorial cartoonist's output:

https://theweek.com/cartoons/938269/editorial-cartoon-covid-masks-lemmings-sheep
https://www.wctrib.com/opinion/cartoons/editorial-cartoon-for-april-20-2022
and one for the Canadians:
https://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorial_cartoon/2021/09/14/theo-moudakis-the-lemmings.html
--

Tony Cooper - Orlando Florida

I read and post to this group as a form of entertainment.

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 by: Peter T. Daniels - Tue, 17 May 2022 21:03 UTC

On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 12:40:41 PM UTC-4, Tony Cooper wrote:
> On Tue, 17 May 2022 08:20:19 +0100, Richard Heathfield
> <r...@cpax.org.uk> wrote:
>
>
> >I don't mean to move the goalposts, but I was under the
> >impression that the question was whether Tucker Carlson is a racist.
> >
> No, the question is whether or not there is "evidence" that Tucker
> Carlson is a racist, and - more specifically - if the evidence is
> sufficient to convince you.

I don't suppose Heathfield is open to listening to an account that
lasts seven and a half minutes (gasp!) that puts Carlson -- with
audio quotes -- in the context of the racist "replacement theory"
that T**** was espousing in mid 2016, but others here might find
it helpful.

https://www.npr.org/2022/05/17/1099587491/what-the-shooting-in-buffalo-has-to-do-with-fox-news-host-tucker-carlson

Probably they'll have a transcript up later on.

In particular -- the shooter's alleged manifesto (it may not have
been proven yet that he wrote it) does not mention Carlson.

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 by: Richard Heathfield - Tue, 17 May 2022 22:18 UTC

On 17/05/2022 9:18 pm, lar3ryca wrote:
> On 2022-05-17 11:28, Lewis wrote:
>> In message <3n678h9ovvb3bbilo53ttf0g83iuf507r9@4ax.com> Tony
>> Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Ah, well, isn't there something about directing a horse that
>>> will not
>>> take in what it is directed to?
>>
>> He's going to defend the racists and the xenophobes every time.
>>
>>> You are right, of course.  Visual evidence that Carlson
>>> incites racism
>>> in others with a "bunch of stuff about 'replacement'" isn't
>>> evidence
>>> that Carlson himself is a racist.  It's just the "looks like a
>>> duck",
>>> "walks like a duck" and "quacks like a duck" parts and doesn't
>>> prove
>>> the "must be a duck" conclusion.
>>
>> This is how RH argues he himself is not a racists, despite
>> espousing and
>> defending racist positions.
>
> I would ask for evidence of that, but I figure it's pointless to
> ask that of someone who sees racists everywhere he looks.

It's classic wokeism. If you do not agree 100% with my world
view, you are by definition a racist, misogynist, thisphobe,
thatphobe and theotherphobe, and death is too good for you.

--
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Sig line 4 vacant - apply within

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On 17-May-22 20:45, bil...@shaw.ca wrote:

> bill, cow-tipping, anyone?

If you tip your waiter for a glass of milk, I'm not sure they share the
tips that widely.

--
Sam Plusnet

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 by: Peter Moylan - Wed, 18 May 2022 02:19 UTC

On 18/05/22 06:39, Tony Cooper wrote:
> On Tue, 17 May 2022 12:45:06 -0700 (PDT), "bil...@shaw.ca"
> <billvan@shaw.ca> wrote:
>> On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 3:26:14 AM UTC-7, Peter Moylan wrote:

>>> We know more about lemmings now, but the image of lemmings throwing
>>> themselves off cliffs is so embedded in the popular culture that we'll
>>> never get rid of it.
>>
>> We're almost rid of it now, actually. Your mention in the above post was the first
>> I've encountered in at least a decade. And considering that the main thrust
>> behind the myth for the last half century or so was a staged scene -- i.e.,
>> it didn't actually happen -- in a 1958 Walt Disney movie, it has little or no traction
>> here in the 21st century.
>>
>> bill, cow-tipping, anyone?
>
> It's often part of an editorial cartoonist's output:
>
> https://theweek.com/cartoons/938269/editorial-cartoon-covid-masks-lemmings-sheep
> https://www.wctrib.com/opinion/cartoons/editorial-cartoon-for-april-20-2022
> and one for the Canadians:
> https://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorial_cartoon/2021/09/14/theo-moudakis-the-lemmings.html

We have a federal election coming up this Saturday. I'm shocked to see
that there are three different anti-vaccination parties competing, one
of them being the best-financed party in our history.

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

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 by: Peter Moylan - Wed, 18 May 2022 02:22 UTC

On 18/05/22 01:26, Ken Blake wrote:
> On Tue, 17 May 2022 11:32:13 +1000, Peter Moylan
> <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:

>> This is reminiscent of the 1951 short story "The Marching Morons".
>> It's based on the idea that highly intelligent people don't have as
>> many children as those of low intelligence. The result, in the
>> story set in the future, is that the average IQ has dropped to 45
>
> Not possible. Since, by definition, "IQ" refers to the average, it
> has to always be 100.

That's the theory, but at best recalibration happens only when a new
test is invented.

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

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 by: Arindam Banerjee - Wed, 18 May 2022 03:32 UTC

On Tuesday, 17 May 2022 at 11:32:20 UTC+10, Peter Moylan wrote:
> On 17/05/22 04:20, Tony Cooper wrote:
>
> > I'll link to the article, but it may be paywall-blocked:
> >
> > https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2022/05/15/buffalo-suspect-great-replacement-theory-conservative-media/?utm_campaign=
> >
> > I'll quote the first paragraphs, though:
> >
> > "The suspect in Saturday’s killing of 10 people at a Buffalo
> > supermarket allegedly wrote a document endorsing “great replacement
> > theory,” a once-fringe racist idea that became a popular refrain
> > among media figures such as Tucker Carlson and Laura Ingraham of Fox
> > News and conservative writer Ann Coulter.
> >
> > Before the shooting rampage that also left three wounded, the
> > suspect, Payton S. Gendron, 18, allegedly posted a lengthy document
> > invoking the idea that White Americans were at risk of being
> > “replaced” by people of color because of immigration and higher
> > birthrates."
> This is reminiscent of the 1951 short story "The Marching Morons". It's
> based on the idea that highly intelligent people don't have as many
> children as those of low intelligence. The result, in the story set in
> the future, is that the average IQ has dropped to 45 and the burden of
> keeping the world running has fallen on the small handful of people
> whose IQ is 100 or more.

Modern USA that, as we see, after 71 years.
Rest of the world is not far behind.

> Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

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 by: Arindam Banerjee - Wed, 18 May 2022 03:40 UTC

On Tuesday, 17 May 2022 at 20:23:15 UTC+10, Peter Moylan wrote:
> On 17/05/22 17:27, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>
> > I, too, am reminded of a short story, one in which a young black man
> > is on his way to A Big City to show the Powers That Be a Wonderful
> > New Invention that will Change The World. On the way to the railway
> > station, he is attacked by a Bunch of Racist Arseholes and battered
> > to death. The Wonderful New Invention lies trampled underfoot and
> > unregarded.
> I'm having trouble googling it, but I believe the story is "Mute Milton"
> by Harry Harrison. The black man's "nigger radio" was in fact an Arindam
> perpetual motion machine, getting its energy from the gravitational
> gradient. The invention was lost when he was shot by a cop.

No worries, mate, he was re-inventing the wheel of Bhaskaracharya.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50Aag0J0Qe4&t=312s

Which even you can do with a bicycle wheel and soda bottles.
It does prove my new physics.

Incidentally you can buy free energy motors on Alibaba.
They use angled pms using Perendev simulation.

>
> Slight correction, from memory: he was on his way to the bus station,
> not the railway station. But such a memory lapse is understandable from
> someone in a country where railway stations are much more common than
> bus stations.
> --
> Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

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On Tue, 17 May 2022 20:40:45 -0700 (PDT)
Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tuesday, 17 May 2022 at 20:23:15 UTC+10, Peter Moylan wrote:
> > On 17/05/22 17:27, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> >
> > > I, too, am reminded of a short story, one in which a young black man
> > > is on his way to A Big City to show the Powers That Be a Wonderful
> > > New Invention that will Change The World. On the way to the railway
> > > station, he is attacked by a Bunch of Racist Arseholes and battered
> > > to death. The Wonderful New Invention lies trampled underfoot and
> > > unregarded.
> > I'm having trouble googling it, but I believe the story is "Mute Milton"
> > by Harry Harrison. The black man's "nigger radio" was in fact an Arindam
> > perpetual motion machine, getting its energy from the gravitational
> > gradient. The invention was lost when he was shot by a cop.
>
> No worries, mate, he was re-inventing the wheel of Bhaskaracharya.
>
I tried elsewhere:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bh%C4%81skara%27s_wheel
(long discredited)

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50Aag0J0Qe4&t=312s
>
> Which even you can do with a bicycle wheel and soda bottles.
> It does prove my new physics.
>
> Incidentally you can buy free energy motors on Alibaba.
> They use angled pms using Perendev simulation.
>
There must be about 2 born every minute by now.
> >
> > Slight correction, from memory: he was on his way to the bus station,
> > not the railway station. But such a memory lapse is understandable from
> > someone in a country where railway stations are much more common than
> > bus stations.
> > --
> > Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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 by: Athel Cornish-Bowden - Wed, 18 May 2022 08:57 UTC

On 2022-05-18 02:22:23 +0000, Peter Moylan said:

> On 18/05/22 01:26, Ken Blake wrote:
>> On Tue, 17 May 2022 11:32:13 +1000, Peter Moylan
>> <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:
>
>>> This is reminiscent of the 1951 short story "The Marching Morons".
>>> It's based on the idea that highly intelligent people don't have as
>>> many children as those of low intelligence. The result, in the
>>> story set in the future, is that the average IQ has dropped to 45
>>
>> Not possible. Since, by definition, "IQ" refers to the average, it
>> has to always be 100.
>
> That's the theory, but at best recalibration happens only when a new
> test is invented.

Any theory that gives Donald J. Trump an IQ of 156 needs to be treated
with scepticism.

--
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 by: Arindam Banerjee - Wed, 18 May 2022 10:02 UTC

On Wednesday, 18 May 2022 at 18:29:17 UTC+10, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> On Tue, 17 May 2022 20:40:45 -0700 (PDT)
> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Tuesday, 17 May 2022 at 20:23:15 UTC+10, Peter Moylan wrote:
> > > On 17/05/22 17:27, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> > > t
> > > > I, too, am reminded of a short story, one in which a young black man
> > > > is on his way to A Big City to show the Powers That Be a Wonderful
> > > > New Invention that will Change The World. On the way to the railway
> > > > station, he is attacked by a Bunch of Racist Arseholes and battered
> > > > to death. The Wonderful New Invention lies trampled underfoot and
> > > > unregarded.
> > > I'm having trouble googling it, but I believe the story is "Mute Milton"
> > > by Harry Harrison. The black man's "nigger radio" was in fact an Arindam
> > > perpetual motion machine, getting its energy from the gravitational
> > > gradient. The invention was lost when he was shot by a cop.
> >
> > No worries, mate, he was re-inventing the wheel of Bhaskaracharya.
> >
> I tried elsewhere:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bh%C4%81skara%27s_wheel
> (long discredited)

Wow, a wiki worshipper, what a surprise.
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50Aag0J0Qe4&t=312s
Facts do not concern the wiki quoting moron.
Wiki was created for small, lazy minds, what.

> >
> > Which even you can do with a bicycle wheel and soda bottles.
> > It does prove my new physics.
> >
> > Incidentally you can buy free energy motors on Alibaba.
> > They use angled pms using Perendev simulation.
> >
> There must be about 2 born every minute by now.
No fool like a deliberately blind fool.
The Chinese are practical.
> > >
> > > Slight correction, from memory: he was on his way to the bus station,
> > > not the railway station. But such a memory lapse is understandable from
> > > someone in a country where railway stations are much more common than
> > > bus stations.
> > > --
> > > Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org
> --
> Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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 by: Arindam Banerjee - Wed, 18 May 2022 10:03 UTC

On Wednesday, 18 May 2022 at 18:57:24 UTC+10, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> On 2022-05-18 02:22:23 +0000, Peter Moylan said:
>
> > On 18/05/22 01:26, Ken Blake wrote:
> >> On Tue, 17 May 2022 11:32:13 +1000, Peter Moylan
> >> <pe...@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >>> This is reminiscent of the 1951 short story "The Marching Morons".
> >>> It's based on the idea that highly intelligent people don't have as
> >>> many children as those of low intelligence. The result, in the
> >>> story set in the future, is that the average IQ has dropped to 45
> >>
> >> Not possible. Since, by definition, "IQ" refers to the average, it
> >> has to always be 100.
> >
> > That's the theory, but at best recalibration happens only when a new
> > test is invented.
> Any theory that gives Donald J. Trump an IQ of 156 needs to be treated
> with scepticism.

There are those with just enough wits to be jealous.
>
> --
> Athel -- French and British, living mainly in England until 1987.

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 by: Adam Funk - Wed, 18 May 2022 10:46 UTC

On 2022-05-17, Lewis wrote:

> In message <3r5clixnku.ln2@news.ducksburg.com> Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> wrote:
>> On 2022-05-17, Peter Moylan wrote:
>
>>> On 17/05/22 04:20, Tony Cooper wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'll link to the article, but it may be paywall-blocked:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2022/05/15/buffalo-suspect-great-replacement-theory-conservative-media/?utm_campaign=
>>>>
>>>> I'll quote the first paragraphs, though:
>>>>
>>>> "The suspect in Saturday’s killing of 10 people at a Buffalo
>>>> supermarket allegedly wrote a document endorsing “great replacement
>>>> theory,” a once-fringe racist idea that became a popular refrain
>>>> among media figures such as Tucker Carlson and Laura Ingraham of Fox
>>>> News and conservative writer Ann Coulter.
>>>>
>>>> Before the shooting rampage that also left three wounded, the
>>>> suspect, Payton S. Gendron, 18, allegedly posted a lengthy document
>>>> invoking the idea that White Americans were at risk of being
>>>> “replaced” by people of color because of immigration and higher
>>>> birthrates."
>>>
>>> This is reminiscent of the 1951 short story "The Marching Morons". It's
>>> based on the idea that highly intelligent people don't have as many
>>> children as those of low intelligence. The result, in the story set in
>>> the future, is that the average IQ has dropped to 45 and the burden of
>>> keeping the world running has fallen on the small handful of people
>>> whose IQ is 100 or more.
>
>> I just looked that up & found this:
>
>> Barlow derives a solution based on his experience in scamming
>> people into buying worthless land and knowledge of lemmings' mass
>> migration into the sea
>>
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Marching_Morons>
>
>> I wonder if the author knew that lemmings don't really do that & it
>> was part of the gag.
>
> Part of the gag?
>
> I think you need to look up the whole lemmings thing.

Fair point, mass migration into bodies of water does happen (as I
mentioned elsewhere), just not off a cliff.

> This is a start:
>
><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemming#Misconceptions>
>

--
We do not debug. Our software does not coddle the weak. Bugs
are good for building character in the user.
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 by: Adam Funk - Wed, 18 May 2022 10:49 UTC

On 2022-05-17, Tony Cooper wrote:

> On Tue, 17 May 2022 12:45:06 -0700 (PDT), "bil...@shaw.ca"
><billvan@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>>On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 3:26:14 AM UTC-7, Peter Moylan wrote:
>>> On 17/05/22 19:17, Adam Funk wrote:
>>> > On 2022-05-17, Peter Moylan wrote:
>>>
>>> >> This is reminiscent of the 1951 short story "The Marching Morons". It's
>>> >> based on the idea that highly intelligent people don't have as many
>>> >> children as those of low intelligence. The result, in the story set in
>>> >> the future, is that the average IQ has dropped to 45 and the burden of
>>> >> keeping the world running has fallen on the small handful of people
>>> >> whose IQ is 100 or more.
>>> >
>>> > I just looked that up & found this:
>>> >
>>> > Barlow derives a solution based on his experience in scamming
>>> > people into buying worthless land and knowledge of lemmings' mass
>>> > migration into the sea
>>> >
>>> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Marching_Morons>
>>> >
>>> > I wonder if the author knew that lemmings don't really do that & it
>>> > was part of the gag.
>>> We know more about lemmings now, but the image of lemmings throwing
>>> themselves off cliffs is so embedded in the popular culture that we'll
>>> never get rid of it.
>>
>>We're almost rid of it now, actually. Your mention in the above post was the first
>>I've encountered in at least a decade. And considering that the main thrust
>>behind the myth for the last half century or so was a staged scene -- i.e.,
>>it didn't actually happen -- in a 1958 Walt Disney movie, it has little or no traction
>>here in the 21st century.
>>
>>bill, cow-tipping, anyone?

Science says no.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cow_tipping#Scientific_study>

> It's often part of an editorial cartoonist's output:
>
> https://theweek.com/cartoons/938269/editorial-cartoon-covid-masks-lemmings-sheep
> https://www.wctrib.com/opinion/cartoons/editorial-cartoon-for-april-20-2022
> and one for the Canadians:
> https://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorial_cartoon/2021/09/14/theo-moudakis-the-lemmings.html

Those are all very good.

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 by: Lewis - Wed, 18 May 2022 11:12 UTC

In message <jejqneFoqjlU1@mid.individual.net> Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> wrote:
> On 2022-05-18 02:22:23 +0000, Peter Moylan said:

>> On 18/05/22 01:26, Ken Blake wrote:
>>> On Tue, 17 May 2022 11:32:13 +1000, Peter Moylan
>>> <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>> This is reminiscent of the 1951 short story "The Marching Morons".
>>>> It's based on the idea that highly intelligent people don't have as
>>>> many children as those of low intelligence. The result, in the
>>>> story set in the future, is that the average IQ has dropped to 45
>>>
>>> Not possible. Since, by definition, "IQ" refers to the average, it
>>> has to always be 100.
>>
>> That's the theory, but at best recalibration happens only when a new
>> test is invented.

> Any theory that gives Donald J. Trump an IQ of 156 needs to be treated
> with scepticism.

Just because TraitorTrump says he's smart does not mean anyone else says
so. There is zero chance he has an IQ of 120, much less higher.

--
I wish I was Keeley three of four times a day.

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 by: CDB - Wed, 18 May 2022 12:12 UTC

On 5/17/2022 12:28 PM, Jerry Friedman wrote:
> CDB wrote:
>> Tony Cooper wrote:
> ...

>>> The "Replacement Theory" is getting a great deal of press in the
>>> US of late. Today's online _Washington Post_ has an extensive
>>> article on the subject. The article highlights Tucker Carlson's
>>> and Laura Ingraham's and Jeanine Pirro's frequent Fox News
>>> refrains on the subject. (All three are Fox News commentators)
>>> I'll link to the article, but it may be paywall-blocked:

>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2022/05/15/buffalo-suspect-great-replacement-theory-conservative-media/?utm_campaign=

>>>
>>>
I'll quote the first paragraphs, though:

>>> "The suspect in Saturday’s killing of 10 people at a Buffalo
>>> supermarket allegedly wrote a document endorsing “great
>>> replacement theory,” a once-fringe racist idea that became a
>>> popular refrain among media figures such as Tucker Carlson and
>>> Laura Ingraham of Fox News and conservative writer Ann Coulter.

>>> Before the shooting rampage that also left three wounded, the
>>> suspect, Payton S. Gendron, 18, allegedly posted a lengthy
>>> document invoking the idea that White Americans were at risk of
>>> being “replaced” by people of color because of immigration and
>>> higher birthrates."

>> It's understandable that Black spokesums* point to racial hatred
>> and Replacement fears as the cause of these crimes, but I think
>> they're wrong. The reason little Gendron committed his murders is
>> that he is a deranged asshole;

> I suggest rephrasing that as "The alleged reason he allegedly
> committed the alleged murders is that he's allegedly an allegedly
> deranged alleged asshole." Or something along those lines; I'm not
> fussy.

"I allegedly think" too, why not.

>> others of his kind have attacked women, Hispanics, East Asians (and
>> Taiwanese specifically), South Asians, Christians, Muslims,and Gay
>> people: any pretext that appeals to the DA will do.

> Most of those are examples of racial hatred.

But with some notable exceptions. I think there is quite a lot of
racial dislike about, at a level insufficient to persuade non-DAs to
murder their fellows.

> I believe there are pretexts that are more often combined with gun-
> nuttery and violent language in my country at present, which may well
> help push derangement to this particular extreme.

>> I hope he pronounces his name ['dZEndr@n].

To distinguish him from the [ZA~dro~]s around here.

> OK, why? At least, though, if he does, you won't be misgendroning
> him.

How long before we get a mass murderer who does it with drones?

>> ObPunctuation: I decided on the fly to give "gay" a capital
>> letter, because it looked right; but that would also be a good way
>> of disambiguating its use.

> Capital "Black" is back in style, so it could happen.
>> ____________________________
>> * The suffixed "-person" as a replacement for "-man" seems
>> awkward,, and I have begun thinking about using "-hum" or "-um"
>> instead. It is "human" with most of the objectionable part removed,
>> and is spelt "hum" except when (as above) the "h" looks like a part
>> of the preceding element; but it is always pronounced [@m].
>
> The journalistic "spox" is probably a more likely candidate.

Not as versatile. The mailspox doesn't ring like the mailhum.

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 by: CDB - Wed, 18 May 2022 12:29 UTC

On 5/17/2022 12:35 PM, Tony Cooper wrote:
> CDB <bellemarecd@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> Before the shooting rampage that also left three wounded, the
>>> suspect, Payton S. Gendron, 18, allegedly posted a lengthy
>>> document invoking the idea that White Americans were at risk of
>>> being “replaced” by people of color because of immigration and
>>> higher birthrates."

>> It's understandable that Black spokesums* point to racial hatred
>> and Replacement fears as the cause of these crimes, but I think
>> they're wrong. The reason little Gendron committed his murders is
>> that he is a deranged asshole;

> Can't both be the reason? Can't it be said that he's a deranged
> asshole who fixated on the Replacement Theory as the core of his
> anger?

> A deranged asshole without some theory of who the problem is, is
> just a harmless deranged asshole. Once that deranged asshole figures
> out who the problem is, then he becomes a deranged asshole that
> shoots people.

> This particular deranged asshole determined that the problem is
> Black people, so he shot 11 people including 9 in his target group.

>> others of his kind have attacked women, Hispanics, East Asians (and
>> Taiwanese specifically), South Asians, Christians, Muslims,and Gay
>> people: any pretext that appeals to the DA will do. I hope he
>> pronounces his name ['dZEndr@n].

> There are probably many other deranged assholes who are still
> harmless, but on the brink of deciding who their target group will
> be.

I fear there are many people who believe in the replacement conspiracy,
at least sometimes; they may or may not be assholes (I think of
assholery in terms of behaviour, not essence), but if they are not
deranged they will not kill people because of it.

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 by: Ken Blake - Wed, 18 May 2022 16:02 UTC

On Wed, 18 May 2022 11:12:19 -0000 (UTC), Lewis
<g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

>In message <jejqneFoqjlU1@mid.individual.net> Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> wrote:
>> On 2022-05-18 02:22:23 +0000, Peter Moylan said:
>
>>> On 18/05/22 01:26, Ken Blake wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 17 May 2022 11:32:13 +1000, Peter Moylan
>>>> <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> This is reminiscent of the 1951 short story "The Marching Morons".
>>>>> It's based on the idea that highly intelligent people don't have as
>>>>> many children as those of low intelligence. The result, in the
>>>>> story set in the future, is that the average IQ has dropped to 45
>>>>
>>>> Not possible. Since, by definition, "IQ" refers to the average, it
>>>> has to always be 100.
>>>
>>> That's the theory, but at best recalibration happens only when a new
>>> test is invented.
>
>> Any theory that gives Donald J. Trump an IQ of 156 needs to be treated
>> with scepticism.
>
>Just because TraitorTrump says he's smart does not mean anyone else says
>so. There is zero chance he has an IQ of 120, much less higher.

"Zero chance" might just possibly be an overstatement, but I doubt it.
You're probably right.

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 by: Paul Wolff - Wed, 18 May 2022 21:32 UTC

On Tue, 17 May 2022, at 21:54:02, J. J. Lodder posted:
>Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 17 May 2022 11:32:13 +1000, Peter Moylan
>> >On 17/05/22 04:20, Tony Cooper wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Before the shooting rampage that also left three wounded, the
>> >> suspect, Payton S. Gendron, 18, allegedly posted a lengthy document
>> >> invoking the idea that White Americans were at risk of being
>> >> "replaced‰ by people of color because of immigration and higher
>> >> birthrates."
>> >
>> >This is reminiscent of the 1951 short story "The Marching Morons". It's
>> >based on the idea that highly intelligent people don't have as many
>> >children as those of low intelligence. The result, in the story set in
>> >the future, is that the average IQ has dropped to 45
>>
>> Not possible. Since, by definition, "IQ" refers to the average, it has
>> to always be 100.
>
>Of course not. When a test is invented it has to be calibrated,
>by setting the average -for a particular sample- to 100.
>
>There is no guarantee that the average for other samples
>must be 100 too, (and in fact it usually will not be)
>If it drifts too far it may be recalibrated,
>(see Flynn)
>
>This is all part of the inherently unscientific aspect
>of the whole thing.
>What would you think of physicists who tell you
>that they have to recalibrate the the speed of light every other year?
>
I'd think they had woken up to the finer detail now available from
atomic clocks, and had re-calibrated time itself. As if!
--
Paul

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 by: Peter Moylan - Thu, 19 May 2022 01:06 UTC

On 18/05/22 22:12, CDB wrote:
>
> How long before we get a mass murderer who does it with drones?

It's already started. OK, only one Iranian general so far, but there
will surely be more.

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

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 by: Rich Ulrich - Thu, 19 May 2022 06:04 UTC

On Tue, 17 May 2022 18:00:25 +0100, Richard Heathfield
<rjh@cpax.org.uk> wrote:

>
>In my view your reply (cited in full above) is the most
>intelligent contribution to this thread so far.

Thank you.

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