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* California condorsDavid Kleinecke
+* Re: California condorsPaul Carmichael
|`* Re: California condorsStefan Ram
| `* Re: California condorslar3ryca
|  `- Re: California condorsKen Blake
+* Re: California condorsGarrett Wollman
|+- Re: California condorsmusika
|`* Re: California condorsKen Blake
| `* Re: California condorsGarrett Wollman
|  `- Re: California condorsAthel Cornish-Bowden
+* Re: California condorslar3ryca
|`- Re: California condorsKen Blake
+* Re: California condorsAthel Cornish-Bowden
|`- Re: California condorsRuud Harmsen
+- Re: California condorsbruce bowser
+* Re: California condorsJerry Friedman
|`* Re: California condorsRoss Clark
| +* Re: California condorsJerry Friedman
| |`* Re: California condorsRoss Clark
| | `- Re: California condorsJerry Friedman
| `* Re: California condorsCDB
|  `- Re: California condorsRoss Clark
+- Re: California condorsPeter Moylan
+* Re: California condorsCDB
|`- Re: California condorsStefan Ram
`* Re: California condorsJerry Friedman
 +* Re: California condorsmusika
 |+* Re: California condorsJerry Friedman
 ||`* Re: California condorsKerr-Mudd, John
 || +* Re: California condorsAthel Cornish-Bowden
 || |`- Re: California condorsPaul Carmichael
 || +* Re: California condorsJ. J. Lodder
 || |`- Re: California condorsPeter T. Daniels
 || +- Re: California condorsKen Blake
 || `- Re: California condorsQuinn C
 |+* Re: California condorsPeter T. Daniels
 ||`* Re: California condorsmusika
 || `* Re: California condorsPeter T. Daniels
 ||  `* Re: California condorsCDB
 ||   +* Re: California condorsSnidely
 ||   |`- Re: California condorsbruce bowser
 ||   `* Re: California condorsPeter T. Daniels
 ||    `* Re: California condorsMadhu
 ||     `- Re: California condorsKen Blake
 |`- Re: California condorsbruce bowser
 `- Re: California condorsJerry Friedman

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From: mUs...@NOSPAMexcite.com (musika)
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Subject: Re: California condors
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 by: musika - Thu, 19 May 2022 22:03 UTC

On 19/05/2022 22:46, Jerry Friedman wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 12:45:56 PM UTC-6, dklei...@gmail.com wrote:
>> In a local context I wrote "We must monitor them condors carefully", looked at what I had written and wondered at the "them".
> ...
>
> In case anyone's interested, this is another Yurok-related post.
> The condors David is talking about are being released on the
> Yurok reservation with the enthusiastic cooperation of the tribe.
>
I suggest you name one "Leezza Rice".

--
Ray
UK

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 by: Jerry Friedman - Thu, 19 May 2022 22:06 UTC

On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 4:03:17 PM UTC-6, musika wrote:
> On 19/05/2022 22:46, Jerry Friedman wrote:
> > On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 12:45:56 PM UTC-6, dklei...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> In a local context I wrote "We must monitor them condors carefully", looked at what I had written and wondered at the "them".
> > ...
> >
> > In case anyone's interested, this is another Yurok-related post.
> > The condors David is talking about are being released on the
> > Yurok reservation with the enthusiastic cooperation of the tribe.
> >
> I suggest you name one "Leezza Rice".

Good one! Yurok!

--
Jerry Friedman

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 by: Jerry Friedman - Fri, 20 May 2022 00:49 UTC

On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 3:46:45 PM UTC-6, Jerry Friedman wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 12:45:56 PM UTC-6, dklei...@gmail.com wrote:
> > In a local context I wrote "We must monitor them condors carefully", looked at what I had written and wondered at the "them".
> ...
>
> In case anyone's interested, this is another Yurok-related post.
> The condors David is talking about are being released on the
> Yurok reservation with the enthusiastic cooperation of the tribe.

A lie. The tribe is participating, but the condors are being released
in Redwood National and State Parks, which constitute a combined
entity.

--
Jerry Friedman
In case anyone's interested.

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 by: Kerr-Mudd, John - Fri, 20 May 2022 07:51 UTC

On Thu, 19 May 2022 15:06:20 -0700 (PDT)
Jerry Friedman <jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 4:03:17 PM UTC-6, musika wrote:
> > On 19/05/2022 22:46, Jerry Friedman wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 12:45:56 PM UTC-6, dklei...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >> In a local context I wrote "We must monitor them condors carefully", looked at what I had written and wondered at the "them".
> > > ...
> > >
> > > In case anyone's interested, this is another Yurok-related post.
> > > The condors David is talking about are being released on the
> > > Yurok reservation with the enthusiastic cooperation of the tribe.
> > >
> > I suggest you name one "Leezza Rice".
>
> Good one! Yurok!
>
I think the largest Euro note is 200 (threads passim); but perhaps there is a(n?) Eurok coming soon.

Ok, I won't just post this raw, unlike PTD I'll check Wikipedia 1st.
Maybe not then; they cancelled the 500€ note.

'Minium' would be a poor name for one of the other birds.

--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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 by: Athel Cornish-Bowden - Fri, 20 May 2022 08:23 UTC

On 2022-05-20 07:51:23 +0000, Kerr-Mudd, John said:

> On Thu, 19 May 2022 15:06:20 -0700 (PDT)
> Jerry Friedman <jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 4:03:17 PM UTC-6, musika wrote:
>>> On 19/05/2022 22:46, Jerry Friedman wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 12:45:56 PM UTC-6, dklei...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> In a local context I wrote "We must monitor them condors carefully",
>>>>> looked at what I had written and wondered at the "them".
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> In case anyone's interested, this is another Yurok-related post.
>>>> The condors David is talking about are being released on the
>>>> Yurok reservation with the enthusiastic cooperation of the tribe.
>>>>
>>> I suggest you name one "Leezza Rice".
>>
>> Good one! Yurok!
>>
> I think the largest Euro note is 200 (threads passim); but perhaps
> there is a(n?) Eurok coming soon.
>
> Ok, I won't just post this raw, unlike PTD I'll check Wikipedia 1st.
> Maybe not then; they cancelled the 500€ note.

Yes. Apparently it was much favoured by money launderers. I never saw one.
>
> 'Minium' would be a poor name for one of the other birds.

--
Athel -- French and British, living mainly in England until 1987.

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 by: Paul Carmichael - Fri, 20 May 2022 10:09 UTC

El Fri, 20 May 2022 10:23:47 +0200, Athel Cornish-Bowden escribió:

> On 2022-05-20 07:51:23 +0000, Kerr-Mudd, John said:

>> Ok, I won't just post this raw, unlike PTD I'll check Wikipedia 1st.
>> Maybe not then; they cancelled the 500€ note.
>
> Yes. Apparently it was much favoured by money launderers. I never saw
> one.

They were called "Bin Ladens"

https://www.antena3.com/programas/espejo-publico/noticias/los-billetes-
de-500-conocidos-como-bin-laden_202001085e15ceed0cf21e5aa4965880.html

--
Paul.

https://paulc.es/elpatio

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 by: J. J. Lodder - Fri, 20 May 2022 11:20 UTC

Kerr-Mudd, John <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:

> On Thu, 19 May 2022 15:06:20 -0700 (PDT)
> Jerry Friedman <jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 4:03:17 PM UTC-6, musika wrote:
> > > On 19/05/2022 22:46, Jerry Friedman wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 12:45:56 PM UTC-6, dklei...@gmail.com:
> > > >> In a local context I wrote "We must monitor them condors
> > > >> carefully", looked at what I had written and wondered at the
> > > >> "them". ...
> > > >
> > > > In case anyone's interested, this is another Yurok-related post.
> > > > The condors David is talking about are being released on the
> > > > Yurok reservation with the enthusiastic cooperation of the tribe.
> > > >
> > > I suggest you name one "Leezza Rice".
> >
> > Good one! Yurok!
> >
> I think the largest Euro note is 200 (threads passim); but perhaps there
> is a(n?) Eurok coming soon.
>
> Ok, I won't just post this raw, unlike PTD I'll check Wikipedia 1st. Maybe
> not then; they cancelled the 500€ note.

Not really, it's just that they no longer print new ones.
And central banks destroy the ones that they take in.
They remain legal tender,
(if you can find somebody who will accept one)

Jan

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 by: Peter T. Daniels - Fri, 20 May 2022 13:21 UTC

On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 6:03:17 PM UTC-4, musika wrote:
> On 19/05/2022 22:46, Jerry Friedman wrote:

> > In case anyone's interested, this is another Yurok-related post.
> > The condors David is talking about are being released on the
> > Yurok reservation with the enthusiastic cooperation of the tribe.
>
> I suggest you name one "Leezza Rice".

But there's no r in the middle of her name.

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 by: Peter T. Daniels - Fri, 20 May 2022 13:24 UTC

On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 7:20:21 AM UTC-4, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Kerr-Mudd, John <ad...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> > On Thu, 19 May 2022 15:06:20 -0700 (PDT)
> > Jerry Friedman <jerry_f...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 4:03:17 PM UTC-6, musika wrote:
> > > > On 19/05/2022 22:46, Jerry Friedman wrote:

> > > > > In case anyone's interested, this is another Yurok-related post.
> > > > > The condors David is talking about are being released on the
> > > > > Yurok reservation with the enthusiastic cooperation of the tribe.
> > > > I suggest you name one "Leezza Rice".
> > > Good one! Yurok!

(No, it wasn't a good one.)

> > I think the largest Euro note is 200 (threads passim); but perhaps there
> > is a(n?) Eurok coming soon.
> > Ok, I won't just post this raw, unlike PTD I'll check Wikipedia 1st. Maybe
> > not then; they cancelled the 500€ note.
>
> Not really, it's just that they no longer print new ones.
> And central banks destroy the ones that they take in.
> They remain legal tender,
> (if you can find somebody who will accept one)

That's what he gets for a slander in relation to a feeble joke.

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 by: musika - Fri, 20 May 2022 15:23 UTC

On 20/05/2022 14:21, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 6:03:17 PM UTC-4, musika wrote:
>> On 19/05/2022 22:46, Jerry Friedman wrote:
>
>>> In case anyone's interested, this is another Yurok-related post.
>>> The condors David is talking about are being released on the
>>> Yurok reservation with the enthusiastic cooperation of the tribe.
>>
>> I suggest you name one "Leezza Rice".
>
> But there's no r in the middle of her name.
>
Indeed, it's an "l".

Now I know what the T. stands for in your name.

--
Ray
UK

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 by: Ken Blake - Fri, 20 May 2022 18:18 UTC

On Fri, 20 May 2022 08:51:23 +0100, "Kerr-Mudd, John"
<admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:

>On Thu, 19 May 2022 15:06:20 -0700 (PDT)
>Jerry Friedman <jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 4:03:17 PM UTC-6, musika wrote:
>> > On 19/05/2022 22:46, Jerry Friedman wrote:
>> > > On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 12:45:56 PM UTC-6, dklei...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > >> In a local context I wrote "We must monitor them condors carefully", looked at what I had written and wondered at the "them".
>> > > ...
>> > >
>> > > In case anyone's interested, this is another Yurok-related post.
>> > > The condors David is talking about are being released on the
>> > > Yurok reservation with the enthusiastic cooperation of the tribe.
>> > >
>> > I suggest you name one "Leezza Rice".
>>
>> Good one! Yurok!
>>
>I think the largest Euro note is 200 (threads passim); but perhaps there is a(n?) Eurok coming soon.

No, Sol Eurok is long dead.

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 by: bruce bowser - Fri, 20 May 2022 18:29 UTC

On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 6:03:17 PM UTC-4, musika wrote:
> On 19/05/2022 22:46, Jerry Friedman wrote:
> > On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 12:45:56 PM UTC-6, dklei...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> In a local context I wrote "We must monitor them condors carefully", looked at what I had written and wondered at the "them".
> > ...
> >
> > In case anyone's interested, this is another Yurok-related post.
> > The condors David is talking about are being released on the
> > Yurok reservation with the enthusiastic cooperation of the tribe.
>
> I suggest you name one "Leezza Rice".

Yes. Were suggestions even requested?

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 by: Peter T. Daniels - Fri, 20 May 2022 20:53 UTC

On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 11:23:33 AM UTC-4, musika wrote:
> On 20/05/2022 14:21, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 6:03:17 PM UTC-4, musika wrote:
> >> On 19/05/2022 22:46, Jerry Friedman wrote:

> >>> In case anyone's interested, this is another Yurok-related post.
> >>> The condors David is talking about are being released on the
> >>> Yurok reservation with the enthusiastic cooperation of the tribe.
> >> I suggest you name one "Leezza Rice".
> > But there's no r in the middle of her name.
>
> Indeed, it's an "l".

"Condor" ends with an [r].

M-W tells me the word is from Quechua, so there's no warrant
for dropping the r, Brit-style.

> Now I know what the T. stands for in your name.

What?

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 by: Jerry Friedman - Sat, 21 May 2022 01:20 UTC

On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 10:09:25 PM UTC-6, benl...@ihug.co.nz wrote:
> On 19/05/2022 3:00 p.m., Jerry Friedman wrote:
> > On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 6:06:23 PM UTC-6, benl...@ihug.co.nz wrote:
> >> On 19/05/2022 9:39 a.m., Jerry Friedman wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 12:45:56 PM UTC-6, dklei...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> In a local context I wrote "We must monitor them condors carefully", looked at what I had written and wondered at the "them".
> >>>>
> >>>> The "them" variant of "those" has an implication of close down home intimacy. Permissible to an Old Californiano like me.
> >>>
> >>> Depending on the social context?
> >>>
> >>>> Do other people have this idiom with the same meaning?
> >>>
> >>> About 90% of the people in my town. I think it's very widespread among non-
> >>> standard speakers.
> >>>
> >>> I wouldn't call it an idiom. It's a variant that goes back to the Wycliffite Bible (1382),
> >>> though when modifying the subject of a verb, not till 1607 (OED).
> >
> >> Hi Jerry, good to have you back.
> >
> > Good to see you here.
> >
> >> While we're considering the history, it's worth pointing out that the
> >> whole _they/them/their_ pronoun set were originally demonstratives in
> >> their Scandinavian source language ("those (guys)").
> >> Apparently there's some use of "they" as demonstrative too:
> >>
> >> ▸ a1470 T. Malory Morte Darthur (Winch. Coll. 13) (1990) I. 31 They
> >> two knyghtes mette with kynge Idres that was nere discomfited.
> >>
> >> a1500 (▸1422) J. Yonge tr. Secreta Secret. (Rawl.) (1898) 160 (MED)
> >> Fore thay thre causis, I leue of that matiere.
> >
> > Interesting, and still in existence in some dialects. The famous example
> > in certain circles is something the poet Philip Levine, who was working at
> > a zoo, heard from a black co-worker: "They feed they lion with they sack."
> > Only I may be misquoting it--I can't find it on line, and I can't find the book
> > where I read it.
> >
> >> And doesn't it seem possible that the demonstrative "them" that we see
> >> in Wycliffe 1382 and after might owe something to the oblique plural
> >> _þæm_ of the OE demonstrative paradigm for "that" (M se, F þæt, N seo,
> >> Pl þa)?
> >
> > More interesting stuff.
> >
> >>> Compare "we New Mexicans", "us New Mexicans" (non-standard as a subject),
> >>> "you Californians".
> > ...
> >
> > And what did you think of that?

> Spot on, of course.

Thanks, glad to know the track I was one wasn't wrong.

--
Jerry Friedman

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 by: CDB - Sat, 21 May 2022 10:07 UTC

On 5/20/2022 4:53 PM, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> musika wrote:
>> Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>>> musika wrote:
>>>> Jerry Friedman wrote:

>>>>> In case anyone's interested, this is another Yurok-related
>>>>> post. The condors David is talking about are being released
>>>>> on the Yurok reservation with the enthusiastic cooperation of
>>>>> the tribe.
>>>> I suggest you name one "Leezza Rice".
>>> But there's no r in the middle of her name.

>> Indeed, it's an "l".

> "Condor" ends with an [r].

> M-W tells me the word is from Quechua, so there's no warrant for
> dropping the r, Brit-style.

But surely you would agree that in an English compound it is an English
word (at least, that is like what you were saying yesterday about a
diferent word); it would therefore be subject to the same dialectal
variations as any English word.

>> Now I know what the T. stands for in your name.

> What?

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 by: Snidely - Sat, 21 May 2022 11:35 UTC

On Saturday or thereabouts, CDB asked ...
> On 5/20/2022 4:53 PM, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>> musika wrote:
>>> Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>>>> musika wrote:
>>>>> Jerry Friedman wrote:
>
>>>>>> In case anyone's interested, this is another Yurok-related
>>>>>> post. The condors David is talking about are being released
>>>>>> on the Yurok reservation with the enthusiastic cooperation of
>>>>>> the tribe.
>>>>> I suggest you name one "Leezza Rice".
>>>> But there's no r in the middle of her name.
>
>>> Indeed, it's an "l".
>
>> "Condor" ends with an [r].
>
>> M-W tells me the word is from Quechua, so there's no warrant for
>> dropping the r, Brit-style.
>
> But surely you would agree that in an English compound it is an English
> word (at least, that is like what you were saying yesterday about a
> diferent word); it would therefore be subject to the same dialectal
> variations as any English word.

I can recognize a non-rhotic bird, even if it is not from Boston.

>>> Now I know what the T. stands for in your name.
>
>> What?

/dps "not from Old Boston to me, but also not Olde Boston"

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 by: Peter T. Daniels - Sat, 21 May 2022 14:10 UTC

On Saturday, May 21, 2022 at 6:07:39 AM UTC-4, CDB wrote:
> On 5/20/2022 4:53 PM, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > musika wrote:
> >> Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> >>> musika wrote:
> >>>> Jerry Friedman wrote:

> >>>>> In case anyone's interested, this is another Yurok-related
> >>>>> post. The condors David is talking about are being released
> >>>>> on the Yurok reservation with the enthusiastic cooperation of
> >>>>> the tribe.
> >>>> I suggest you name one "Leezza Rice".
> >>> But there's no r in the middle of her name.
> >> Indeed, it's an "l".
> > "Condor" ends with an [r].
> > M-W tells me the word is from Quechua, so there's no warrant for
> > dropping the r, Brit-style.
>
> But surely you would agree that in an English compound it is an English
> word (at least, that is like what you were saying yesterday about a
> diferent word); it would therefore be subject to the same dialectal
> variations as any English word.

The two syllables are equally (or almost so) stressed, so
"condorleezza" -- even with Brit desecration of the r -- is
not a valid pun / play on words. In the name, the vowel
of the second syllable is fully reduced to shwa.

> >> Now I know what the T. stands for in your name.
> > What?

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* "Peter T. Daniels" <fd4b63e5-17d9-4f9c-b2c6-9eb238033ff3n @googlegroups.com> :
Wrote on Sat, 21 May 2022 07:10:57 -0700 (PDT):
> On Saturday, May 21, 2022 at 6:07:39 AM UTC-4, CDB wrote:
>> On 5/20/2022 4:53 PM, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>> > musika wrote:
>> >> Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>> >>> musika wrote:
>> >>>> I suggest you name one "Leezza Rice".
>> >>> But there's no r in the middle of her name.
>> >> Indeed, it's an "l".
>> > "Condor" ends with an [r].
>> > M-W tells me the word is from Quechua, so there's no warrant for
>> > dropping the r, Brit-style.
>>
>> But surely you would agree that in an English compound it is an
>> English word (at least, that is like what you were saying yesterday
>> about a diferent word); it would therefore be subject to the same
>> dialectal variations as any English word.
>
> The two syllables are equally (or almost so) stressed, so
> "condorleezza" -- even with Brit desecration of the r -- is not a
> valid pun / play on words. In the name, the vowel of the second
> syllable is fully reduced to shwa.

The name was a mystery for me ever since i saw it in some 1990
publication (which tipped her for the post she actually held in 2001) I
assumed it was a form of Contalisa, which was the name of a luxury car
in India. However wikipedia says

"Her name, Condoleezza, derives from the music-related term con dolcezza,
which in Italian means, "with sweetness"."

>> >> Now I know what the T. stands for in your name.
>> > What?

?

some sort of glottal stop?

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On Saturday, May 21, 2022 at 7:36:01 AM UTC-4, snide...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday or thereabouts, CDB asked ...
> > On 5/20/2022 4:53 PM, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> >> musika wrote:
> >>> Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> >>>> musika wrote:
> >>>>> Jerry Friedman wrote:
> >
> >>>>>> In case anyone's interested, this is another Yurok-related
> >>>>>> post. The condors David is talking about are being released
> >>>>>> on the Yurok reservation with the enthusiastic cooperation of
> >>>>>> the tribe.
> >>>>> I suggest you name one "Leezza Rice".
> >>>> But there's no r in the middle of her name.
> >
> >>> Indeed, it's an "l".
> >
> >> "Condor" ends with an [r].
> >
> >> M-W tells me the word is from Quechua, so there's no warrant for
> >> dropping the r, Brit-style.
> >
> > But surely you would agree that in an English compound it is an English
> > word (at least, that is like what you were saying yesterday about a
> > diferent word); it would therefore be subject to the same dialectal
> > variations as any English word.
> I can recognize a non-rhotic bird, even if it is not from Boston.
> >>> Now I know what the T. stands for in your name.
> >
> >> What?
> /dps "not from Old Boston to me, but also not Olde Boston"

I guess both of those include 'Bah-ston'.

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On Sat, 21 May 2022 20:07:39 +0530, Madhu <enometh@meer.net> wrote:

>* "Peter T. Daniels" <fd4b63e5-17d9-4f9c-b2c6-9eb238033ff3n @googlegroups.com> :
>Wrote on Sat, 21 May 2022 07:10:57 -0700 (PDT):
>> On Saturday, May 21, 2022 at 6:07:39 AM UTC-4, CDB wrote:
>>> On 5/20/2022 4:53 PM, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>>> > musika wrote:
>>> >> Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>>> >>> musika wrote:
>>> >>>> I suggest you name one "Leezza Rice".
>>> >>> But there's no r in the middle of her name.
>>> >> Indeed, it's an "l".
>>> > "Condor" ends with an [r].
>>> > M-W tells me the word is from Quechua, so there's no warrant for
>>> > dropping the r, Brit-style.
>>>
>>> But surely you would agree that in an English compound it is an
>>> English word (at least, that is like what you were saying yesterday
>>> about a diferent word); it would therefore be subject to the same
>>> dialectal variations as any English word.
>>
>> The two syllables are equally (or almost so) stressed, so
>> "condorleezza" -- even with Brit desecration of the r -- is not a
>> valid pun / play on words. In the name, the vowel of the second
>> syllable is fully reduced to shwa.
>
>The name was a mystery for me ever since i saw it in some 1990
>publication (which tipped her for the post she actually held in 2001) I
>assumed it was a form of Contalisa, which was the name of a luxury car
>in India. However wikipedia says
>
>"Her name, Condoleezza, derives from the music-related term con dolcezza,

Interesting. Thanks, I didn't know that.

>which in Italian means, "with sweetness"."

Yes, that I would have realized.

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* Kerr-Mudd, John:

> On Thu, 19 May 2022 15:06:20 -0700 (PDT)
> Jerry Friedman <jerry_friedman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 4:03:17 PM UTC-6, musika wrote:
>>> On 19/05/2022 22:46, Jerry Friedman wrote:
>>> > On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 12:45:56 PM UTC-6, dklei...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> >> In a local context I wrote "We must monitor them condors carefully", looked at what I had written and wondered at the "them".
>>> > ...
>>> >
>>> > In case anyone's interested, this is another Yurok-related post.
>>> > The condors David is talking about are being released on the
>>> > Yurok reservation with the enthusiastic cooperation of the tribe.
>>> >
>>> I suggest you name one "Leezza Rice".
>>
>> Good one! Yurok!
>>
> 'Minium' would be a poor name for one of the other birds.

The last one - in the case we hope won't occur - could be "Lance".

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