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 by: J. J. Lodder - Thu, 19 May 2022 09:26 UTC

Paul Wolff <bounceme@thiswontwork.wolff.co.uk> wrote:

> On Tue, 17 May 2022, at 21:54:02, J. J. Lodder posted:
> >Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 17 May 2022 11:32:13 +1000, Peter Moylan
> >> >On 17/05/22 04:20, Tony Cooper wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Before the shooting rampage that also left three wounded, the
> >> >> suspect, Payton S. Gendron, 18, allegedly posted a lengthy document
> >> >> invoking the idea that White Americans were at risk of being
> >> >> "replaced‰ by people of color because of immigration and higher
> >> >> birthrates."
> >> >
> >> >This is reminiscent of the 1951 short story "The Marching Morons". It's
> >> >based on the idea that highly intelligent people don't have as many
> >> >children as those of low intelligence. The result, in the story set in
> >> >the future, is that the average IQ has dropped to 45
> >>
> >> Not possible. Since, by definition, "IQ" refers to the average, it has
> >> to always be 100.
> >
> >Of course not. When a test is invented it has to be calibrated,
> >by setting the average -for a particular sample- to 100.
> >
> >There is no guarantee that the average for other samples
> >must be 100 too, (and in fact it usually will not be)
> >If it drifts too far it may be recalibrated,
> >(see Flynn)
> >
> >This is all part of the inherently unscientific aspect
> >of the whole thing.
> >What would you think of physicists who tell you
> >that they have to recalibrate the the speed of light every other year?
> >
> I'd think they had woken up to the finer detail now available from
> atomic clocks, and had re-calibrated time itself. As if!

'Time itself' is an obsolete concept.
(for over a hundred years by now)

Jan

--
"Everything is relative" (not A. Einstein)

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 by: J. J. Lodder - Thu, 19 May 2022 09:26 UTC

Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:

> On 18/05/22 22:12, CDB wrote:
> >
> > How long before we get a mass murderer who does it with drones?
>
> It's already started. OK, only one Iranian general so far, but there
> will surely be more.

One isn't a mass.
And 'there will be more' is a misstatement.
There have already been many more drone killings.
(starting under Obama, I think)

AFAIK individual killings by drone (if done by the USA)
are still a matter that requires presidential permission
in every individual case,

Jan

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 by: bruce bowser - Thu, 19 May 2022 16:27 UTC

On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 5:26:30 AM UTC-4, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Peter Moylan <pe...@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:
>
> > On 18/05/22 22:12, CDB wrote:
> > >
> > > How long before we get a mass murderer who does it with drones?
> >
> > It's already started. OK, only one Iranian general so far, but there
> > will surely be more.
> One isn't a mass.
> And 'there will be more' is a misstatement.
> There have already been many more drone killings.
> (starting under Obama, I think)

Voor. George W. Bush - Amerikaanse politiek voor Obama
Pakistan - June 2004
-- https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/drone-war/data/the-bush-years-pakistan-strikes-2004-2009

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 by: bil...@shaw.ca - Thu, 19 May 2022 18:27 UTC

On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 7:19:12 PM UTC-7, Peter Moylan wrote:
> On 18/05/22 06:39, Tony Cooper wrote:
> > On Tue, 17 May 2022 12:45:06 -0700 (PDT), "bil...@shaw.ca"
> > <bil...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> >> On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 3:26:14 AM UTC-7, Peter Moylan wrote:
>
> >>> We know more about lemmings now, but the image of lemmings throwing
> >>> themselves off cliffs is so embedded in the popular culture that we'll
> >>> never get rid of it.
> >>
> >> We're almost rid of it now, actually. Your mention in the above post was the first
> >> I've encountered in at least a decade. And considering that the main thrust
> >> behind the myth for the last half century or so was a staged scene -- i.e.,
> >> it didn't actually happen -- in a 1958 Walt Disney movie, it has little or no traction
> >> here in the 21st century.
> >>
> >> bill, cow-tipping, anyone?
> >
> > It's often part of an editorial cartoonist's output:
> >
> > https://theweek.com/cartoons/938269/editorial-cartoon-covid-masks-lemmings-sheep
> > https://www.wctrib.com/opinion/cartoons/editorial-cartoon-for-april-20-2022
> > and one for the Canadians:
> > https://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorial_cartoon/2021/09/14/theo-moudakis-the-lemmings.html
> We have a federal election coming up this Saturday. I'm shocked to see
> that there are three different anti-vaccination parties competing, one
> of them being the best-financed party in our history.
>
Who's financing them? The funeral directors?

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 by: bil...@shaw.ca - Thu, 19 May 2022 18:42 UTC

On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 1:09:36 PM UTC-7, Jerry Friedman wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 1:42:16 PM UTC-6, lar3ryca wrote:
> > On 2022-05-17 10:28, Jerry Friedman wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 10:04:44 AM UTC-6, CDB wrote:
> ...
> > >> It's understandable that Black spokesums* point to racial hatred and
> > >> Replacement fears as the cause of these crimes, but I think they're
> > >> wrong. The reason little Gendron committed his murders is that he is a
> > >> deranged asshole;
> > >
> > > I suggest rephrasing that as "The alleged reason he allegedly committed
> > > the alleged murders is that he's allegedly an allegedly deranged alleged
> > > asshole." Or something along those lines; I'm not fussy.
>
> > It sounds like you've been listening to CTV news from Canada. I don't
> > know if it's the entire national news team, or just the illiterates in
> > the Regina outlet that do it, but they have a habit of misusing alleged.

I spend a significant part of my free time -- and I'm retired, so that adds up --
correcting the content, grammar and other elements of the TV news,
local and national. Things are in sad shape, as usual. But the national
newscasts of both the CBC and CTV still have some quality to them,
and some of the news analysis shows, in which the journalists have time
and resources to dig a little deeper, are often quite good.

From across the border, CNN is quite good at spot news reporting and
MSNBC does a decent job of propping up the left end of the mainstream.
I know there are other worthwhile newscasts, but hours in the day and all that.

Also, I can get Al Jazeera on YouTube, and it's always a startling breath
of fresh air. That includes but is not limited to local weather forecasts for
the Middle East.
> >
> > "The robber fled the alleged crime scene in an alleged pickup truck."

An allegedly stolen pickup truck, I'll bet. Later allegedly found on fire on a rural road.
> >
> > Welcome back, Jerry.

> Thank you.
>
You're welcome, etc.

bill

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 by: Peter Moylan - Fri, 20 May 2022 02:09 UTC

On 20/05/22 04:27, bil...@shaw.ca wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 7:19:12 PM UTC-7, Peter Moylan wrote:

>> We have a federal election coming up this Saturday. I'm shocked to
>> see that there are three different anti-vaccination parties
>> competing, one of them being the best-financed party in our
>> history.
>>
> Who's financing them? The funeral directors?

In the case of the United Australia Party, one single billionaire called
Clive Palmer. He's really throwing the money around. The traditional
"rich" party, the Liberal Party, is spending about twenty million
dollars on advertising this election. Palmer is spending more like a
hundred million dollars.

In the last election, he likewise spent like a drunken sailor, and won
no seats. I don't think he expected to win any. His sole goal was to get
the Liberal Party re-elected, because he thought they would approve his
opening new coal mines. In other words, he had no policies other than
his own business interests.

This time around, his lead candidate is someone who already holds a
parliamentary seat, but who was expelled from the Liberal Party for his
outrageous anti-vaccination propaganda. So I think Palmer (who is the
financier but not a candidate) has inherited the anti-vax line by
picking up this idiot.

The other two anti-vaccination groups are not as well financed, although
one of them is likely to win seats by picking up the racist vote.

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

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 by: Peter Moylan - Fri, 20 May 2022 02:19 UTC

On 20/05/22 04:42, bil...@shaw.ca wrote:

> Also, I can get Al Jazeera on YouTube, and it's always a startling
> breath of fresh air. That includes but is not limited to local
> weather forecasts for the Middle East.

Yes, it's impressive how much Al Jazeera reports that is censored by the
bigger news media.

Australia used to have a good free press - far better than the USA, in
my experience - but Murdoch's increasing stranglehold has meant
increasing distortion of the news he allows us to hear. I'm half-tempted
to move to New Zealand.

One of our public TV broadcasters does give us world weather, for what
that's worth.

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

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In message <s26a8h928lv9a40oo6o7h3sbo3jfa8l6cb@4ax.com> Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 18 May 2022 11:12:19 -0000 (UTC), Lewis
> <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

>>In message <jejqneFoqjlU1@mid.individual.net> Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> wrote:
>>> On 2022-05-18 02:22:23 +0000, Peter Moylan said:
>>
>>>> On 18/05/22 01:26, Ken Blake wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 17 May 2022 11:32:13 +1000, Peter Moylan
>>>>> <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> This is reminiscent of the 1951 short story "The Marching Morons".
>>>>>> It's based on the idea that highly intelligent people don't have as
>>>>>> many children as those of low intelligence. The result, in the
>>>>>> story set in the future, is that the average IQ has dropped to 45
>>>>>
>>>>> Not possible. Since, by definition, "IQ" refers to the average, it
>>>>> has to always be 100.
>>>>
>>>> That's the theory, but at best recalibration happens only when a new
>>>> test is invented.
>>
>>> Any theory that gives Donald J. Trump an IQ of 156 needs to be treated
>>> with scepticism.
>>
>>Just because TraitorTrump says he's smart does not mean anyone else says
>>so. There is zero chance he has an IQ of 120, much less higher.

> "Zero chance" might just possibly be an overstatement, but I doubt it.

I would not believe any test that put his IQ above 105, and I'd assume
it was someone who was forced/bribed, just like the doctors claiming he
was "amazingly healthy" when everyone could see he was fat and bloated
and wearing a diaper.

> You're probably right.

--
Silence filled the University in the same way that air fills a hole.
Night spread across the Disk like plum jam, or possibly
blackberry preserve. But there would be a morning. There would
always be another morning. --Sourcery

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 by: Peter T. Daniels - Fri, 20 May 2022 12:31 UTC

On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 10:10:02 PM UTC-4, Peter Moylan wrote:
> On 20/05/22 04:27, bil...@shaw.ca wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 7:19:12 PM UTC-7, Peter Moylan wrote:

> >> We have a federal election coming up this Saturday. I'm shocked to
> >> see that there are three different anti-vaccination parties
> >> competing, one of them being the best-financed party in our
> >> history.
> > Who's financing them? The funeral directors?
>
> In the case of the United Australia Party, one single billionaire called
> Clive Palmer. He's really throwing the money around. The traditional
> "rich" party, the Liberal Party, is spending about twenty million
> dollars on advertising this election. Palmer is spending more like a
> hundred million dollars.
>
> In the last election, he likewise spent like a drunken sailor, and won
> no seats. I don't think he expected to win any. His sole goal was to get
> the Liberal Party re-elected, because he thought they would approve his
> opening new coal mines. In other words, he had no policies other than
> his own business interests.

That was exactly T****'s intent. No one, including himself, expected
him to win, but major missteps by the Clinton campaign (assuming
that WI, PA, and a couple of other "swing states" were in the bag) and
sabotage by the FBI (announcing a "probe" days before the election)
made it happen.

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 by: bil...@shaw.ca - Fri, 20 May 2022 21:40 UTC

On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 1:08:57 PM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> bil...@shaw.ca <bil...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> > On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 3:26:14 AM UTC-7, Peter Moylan wrote:

> > > We know more about lemmings now, but the image of lemmings throwing
> > > themselves off cliffs is so embedded in the popular culture that we'll
> > > never get rid of it.
> >
> > We're almost rid of it now, actually. Your mention in the above post was
> > the first I've encountered in at least a decade. And considering that the
> > main thrust behind the myth for the last half century or so was a staged
> > scene -- i.e., it didn't actually happen -- in a 1958 Walt Disney movie,
> > it has little or no traction here in the 21st century.

> You must have seen few Brexit cartoons,
>
That is true. But they are relatively few here in Canada, and I don't recall
seeing any that used the lemmings-over-the-cliff theme. We're aware of
the Brexit business, but not very anxious about it. If Britain builds walls
between it and the European Community, it will have to trade more with
others, and Canada is a trading nation.

bill

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 by: bil...@shaw.ca - Fri, 20 May 2022 21:59 UTC

On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 5:12:48 AM UTC-7, CDB wrote:
> On 5/17/2022 12:28 PM, Jerry Friedman wrote:
> > CDB wrote:

> >> * The suffixed "-person" as a replacement for "-man" seems
> >> awkward,, and I have begun thinking about using "-hum" or "-um"
> >> instead. It is "human" with most of the objectionable part removed,
> >> and is spelt "hum" except when (as above) the "h" looks like a part
> >> of the preceding element; but it is always pronounced [@m].
> >
> > The journalistic "spox" is probably a more likely candidate.
>
> Not as versatile. The mailspox doesn't ring like the mailhum.

"Spox" -- for spokesman/woman/person/thingie was, I think, invented
by users of the UPI internal message wire, which was for message
traffic among UPI bureaus and head office, using a variation on teletype
machines.

Pox stood for police, lox for locals, reax for reaction, meaning comments
on the news by interested parties. There would have been others, but it has
been a while -- since before email, and for most people, that would put it
before about the mid-1990s. I worked for UPI's Canadian arm --
UPC -- for a few years in the late 1970s.

bill

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 by: Ken Blake - Sat, 21 May 2022 00:01 UTC

On Fri, 20 May 2022 14:59:39 -0700 (PDT), "bil...@shaw.ca"
<billvan@shaw.ca> wrote:

>On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 5:12:48 AM UTC-7, CDB wrote:
>> On 5/17/2022 12:28 PM, Jerry Friedman wrote:
>> > CDB wrote:
>
>> >> * The suffixed "-person" as a replacement for "-man" seems
>> >> awkward,, and I have begun thinking about using "-hum" or "-um"
>> >> instead. It is "human" with most of the objectionable part removed,
>> >> and is spelt "hum" except when (as above) the "h" looks like a part
>> >> of the preceding element; but it is always pronounced [@m].
>> >
>> > The journalistic "spox" is probably a more likely candidate.
>>
>> Not as versatile. The mailspox doesn't ring like the mailhum.
>
>"Spox" -- for spokesman/woman/person/thingie was, I think, invented
>by users of the UPI internal message wire, which was for message
>traffic among UPI bureaus and head office, using a variation on teletype
>machines.
>
>Pox stood for police, lox for locals, reax for reaction, meaning comments
>on the news by interested parties.

To me all such abbreviations are unnecessary and nothing but fux.

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 by: bil...@shaw.ca - Sat, 21 May 2022 00:57 UTC

On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 11:04:42 PM UTC-7, Rich Ulrich wrote:
> On Tue, 17 May 2022 18:00:25 +0100, Richard Heathfield
> <r...@cpax.org.uk> wrote:
>
> >In my view your reply (cited in full above) is the most
> >intelligent contribution to this thread so far.
>
> Thank you.
>
Uhm, I'd like to read the post in question, but since you haven't
quoted any of it, and there are many posts by RH up above yours,
I really have no idea what you consider to be his finest hour.

bill

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 by: Richard Heathfield - Sat, 21 May 2022 01:35 UTC

On 21/05/2022 1:57 am, bil...@shaw.ca wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 11:04:42 PM UTC-7, Rich Ulrich wrote:
>> On Tue, 17 May 2022 18:00:25 +0100, Richard Heathfield
>> <r...@cpax.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> In my view your reply (cited in full above) is the most
>>> intelligent contribution to this thread so far.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
> Uhm, I'd like to read the post in question, but since you haven't
> quoted any of it, and there are many posts by RH up above yours,
> I really have no idea what you consider to be his finest hour.

I think you've got that backwards. I was complimenting Rich
Ulrich's article (which I quoted in full when so doing), not he mine.

But to find it, simply switch to threaded view, and it's obvious;
just follow up the tree towards the root.

If you can't switch to threaded view, consider switching to using
a newsreader for reading news.

--
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Sig line 4 vacant - apply within

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 by: Snidely - Sat, 21 May 2022 06:59 UTC

Ken Blake wrote on 5/20/2022 :
> On Fri, 20 May 2022 14:59:39 -0700 (PDT), "bil...@shaw.ca"
> <billvan@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 5:12:48 AM UTC-7, CDB wrote:
>>> On 5/17/2022 12:28 PM, Jerry Friedman wrote:
>>>> CDB wrote:
>>
>>>>> * The suffixed "-person" as a replacement for "-man" seems
>>>>> awkward,, and I have begun thinking about using "-hum" or "-um"
>>>>> instead. It is "human" with most of the objectionable part removed,
>>>>> and is spelt "hum" except when (as above) the "h" looks like a part
>>>>> of the preceding element; but it is always pronounced [@m].
>>>>
>>>> The journalistic "spox" is probably a more likely candidate.
>>>
>>> Not as versatile. The mailspox doesn't ring like the mailhum.
>>
>> "Spox" -- for spokesman/woman/person/thingie was, I think, invented
>> by users of the UPI internal message wire, which was for message
>> traffic among UPI bureaus and head office, using a variation on teletype
>> machines.
>>
>> Pox stood for police, lox for locals, reax for reaction, meaning comments
>> on the news by interested parties.
>
>
> To me all such abbreviations are unnecessary and nothing but fux.

Keep keying that in to your Morse key, while sharing a couple hundred
messages with your coworkers.

/dps

--
Rule #0: Don't be on fire.
In case of fire, exit the building before tweeting about it.
(Sighting reported by Adam F)

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 by: CDB - Sat, 21 May 2022 10:16 UTC

On 5/20/2022 5:59 PM, bil...@shaw.ca wrote:
> CDB wrote:
>> Jerry Friedman wrote:
>>> CDB wrote:

>>>> * The suffixed "-person" as a replacement for "-man" seems
>>>> awkward,, and I have begun thinking about using "-hum" or
>>>> "-um" instead. It is "human" with most of the objectionable
>>>> part removed, and is spelt "hum" except when (as above) the "h"
>>>> looks like a part of the preceding element; but it is always
>>>> pronounced [@m].

>>> The journalistic "spox" is probably a more likely candidate.

>> Not as versatile. The mailspox doesn't ring like the mailhum.

> "Spox" -- for spokesman/woman/person/thingie was, I think, invented
> by users of the UPI internal message wire, which was for message
> traffic among UPI bureaus and head office, using a variation on
> teletype machines.

> Pox stood for police, lox for locals, reax for reaction, meaning
> comments on the news by interested parties. There would have been
> others, but it has been a while -- since before email, and for most
> people, that would put it before about the mid-1990s. I worked for
> UPI's Canadian arm -- UPC -- for a few years in the late 1970s.

Nix, tix, hix, and stix come to mind. Maybe not the UPI variety, though.

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 by: Tony Cooper - Sat, 21 May 2022 14:08 UTC

On Fri, 20 May 2022 23:59:50 -0700, Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Ken Blake wrote on 5/20/2022 :
>> On Fri, 20 May 2022 14:59:39 -0700 (PDT), "bil...@shaw.ca"
>> <billvan@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 5:12:48 AM UTC-7, CDB wrote:
>>>> On 5/17/2022 12:28 PM, Jerry Friedman wrote:
>>>>> CDB wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> * The suffixed "-person" as a replacement for "-man" seems
>>>>>> awkward,, and I have begun thinking about using "-hum" or "-um"
>>>>>> instead. It is "human" with most of the objectionable part removed,
>>>>>> and is spelt "hum" except when (as above) the "h" looks like a part
>>>>>> of the preceding element; but it is always pronounced [@m].
>>>>>
>>>>> The journalistic "spox" is probably a more likely candidate.
>>>>
>>>> Not as versatile. The mailspox doesn't ring like the mailhum.
>>>
>>> "Spox" -- for spokesman/woman/person/thingie was, I think, invented
>>> by users of the UPI internal message wire, which was for message
>>> traffic among UPI bureaus and head office, using a variation on teletype
>>> machines.
>>>
>>> Pox stood for police, lox for locals, reax for reaction, meaning comments
>>> on the news by interested parties.
>>
>>
>> To me all such abbreviations are unnecessary and nothing but fux.
>
>Keep keying that in to your Morse key, while sharing a couple hundred
>messages with your coworkers.
>

_Variety_, a US newspaper that primarily reports on show business, has
their own "slanguage" and offers a slanguage dictionary:
https://variety.com/static-pages/slanguage-dictionary/

The most well-known _Variety_ headline was "Sticks Nix Hick Pix".

--

Tony Cooper - Orlando Florida

I read and post to this group as a form of entertainment.

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 by: bruce bowser - Sat, 21 May 2022 19:11 UTC

On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 2:28:00 PM UTC-4, bil...@shaw.ca wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 7:19:12 PM UTC-7, Peter Moylan wrote:
> > On 18/05/22 06:39, Tony Cooper wrote:
> > > On Tue, 17 May 2022 12:45:06 -0700 (PDT), "bil...@shaw.ca"
> > > <bil...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> > >> On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 3:26:14 AM UTC-7, Peter Moylan wrote:
> >
> > >>> We know more about lemmings now, but the image of lemmings throwing
> > >>> themselves off cliffs is so embedded in the popular culture that we'll
> > >>> never get rid of it.
> > >>
> > >> We're almost rid of it now, actually. Your mention in the above post was the first
> > >> I've encountered in at least a decade. And considering that the main thrust
> > >> behind the myth for the last half century or so was a staged scene -- i.e.,
> > >> it didn't actually happen -- in a 1958 Walt Disney movie, it has little or no traction
> > >> here in the 21st century.
> > >>
> > >> bill, cow-tipping, anyone?
> > >
> > > It's often part of an editorial cartoonist's output:
> > >
> > > https://theweek.com/cartoons/938269/editorial-cartoon-covid-masks-lemmings-sheep
> > > https://www.wctrib.com/opinion/cartoons/editorial-cartoon-for-april-20-2022
> > > and one for the Canadians:
> > > https://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorial_cartoon/2021/09/14/theo-moudakis-the-lemmings.html
> > We have a federal election coming up this Saturday. I'm shocked to see
> > that there are three different anti-vaccination parties competing, one
> > of them being the best-financed party in our history.
>
> Who's financing them?

Money grows on trees, now. Don't you know? No more begging billionaires.

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