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+- Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidenceStefan Ram
+* Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidencePeter T. Daniels
|`* Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidenceBebercito
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| `* Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidencePeter T. Daniels
|  +- Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidenceQuinn C
|  `* Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidenceBebercito
|   +- Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidenceCDB
|   `* Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidenceRoss Clark
|    +* Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidenceBebercito
|    |`* Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidencePeter T. Daniels
|    | `* Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidenceBebercito
|    |  +- Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidencePeter T. Daniels
|    |  `* Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidenceRoss Clark
|    |   +* Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidenceStefan Ram
|    |   |`- Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidenceRoss Clark
|    |   `* Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidenceBebercito
|    |    +- Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidenceBebercito
|    |    `* Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidenceRoss Clark
|    |     `- Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidenceBebercito
|    `* Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidenceSnidely
|     `* Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidenceAthel Cornish-Bowden
|      +* Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidenceKen Blake
|      |`* Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidenceSnidely
|      | +- Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidenceSnidely
|      | +- Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidenceCDB
|      | +* Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidencePeter T. Daniels
|      | |`* Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidenceAdam Funk
|      | | `- Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidencePeter T. Daniels
|      | `* Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidenceQuinn C
|      |  +* Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidencelar3ryca
|      |  |`- Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidenceStefan Ram
|      |  `- Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidencelar3ryca
|      `* Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidenceHibou
|       +* Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidencePeter Moylan
|       |`* Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidenceHibou
|       | +* Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidencePeter Moylan
|       | |+* Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidenceHibou
|       | ||+* Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidencePeter Moylan
|       | |||`- Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidenceDingbat
|       | ||`- Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidenceKerr-Mudd, John
|       | |`* Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidenceKen Blake
|       | | +* Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidencecharles
|       | | |+* Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidenceKen Blake
|       | | ||+- Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidencecharles
|       | | ||`* Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidencePeter Moylan
|       | | || `* Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidenceKen Blake
|       | | ||  +* Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidenceLewis
|       | | ||  |`- Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidencePeter Moylan
|       | | ||  `* Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidenceQuinn C
|       | | ||   `* Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidenceKen Blake
|       | | ||    +- Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidencePeter T. Daniels
|       | | ||    `- Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidenceKerr-Mudd, John
|       | | |+* Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidencelar3ryca
|       | | ||+* Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidenceTony Cooper
|       | | |||+- Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidenceGordonD
|       | | |||`- Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidencePeter T. Daniels
|       | | ||+* Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidenceSam Plusnet
|       | | |||`* Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidencelar3ryca
|       | | ||| `* Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidenceSam Plusnet
|       | | |||  `- Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidencelar3ryca
|       | | ||`* Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidencePaul Wolff
|       | | || `* Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidenceJoy Beeson
|       | | ||  `* Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidenceSam Plusnet
|       | | ||   +* Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidenceStefan Ram
|       | | ||   |`* Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidenceRichard Heathfield
|       | | ||   | `- Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidenceSam Plusnet
|       | | ||   `* Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidenceJanet
|       | | ||    `- Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidenceMack A. Damia
|       | | |`- Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidencePeter T. Daniels
|       | | `* Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidencePaul Wolff
|       | |  +- Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidenceTony Cooper
|       | |  `* Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidencePeter Moylan
|       | |   +- Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidencelar3ryca
|       | |   +* Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidencelar3ryca
|       | |   |+* Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidencePeter T. Daniels
|       | |   ||`- Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidencePeter Moylan
|       | |   |`* Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidenceSnidely
|       | |   | `* Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidencelar3ryca
|       | |   |  +* Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidencePeter Moylan
|       | |   |  |`* Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidenceAnders D. Nygaard
|       | |   |  | `* Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidenceMark Brader
|       | |   |  |  `* Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidenceQuinn C
|       | |   |  |   `* Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidenceBebercito
|       | |   |  |    `- Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidenceQuinn C
|       | |   |  `* Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidenceMark Brader
|       | |   |   `* Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidenceTony Cooper
|       | |   |    +* Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidencebil...@shaw.ca
|       | |   |    |+* Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidencePeter T. Daniels
|       | |   |    ||`* Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidenceJerry Friedman
|       | |   |    || +- Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidencePeter Moylan
|       | |   |    || `- Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidenceMadhu
|       | |   |    |`- Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidenceKen Blake
|       | |   |    `- Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidenceAthel Cornish-Bowden
|       | |   `* Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidencebil...@shaw.ca
|       | |    +* Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidenceKerr-Mudd, John
|       | |    |+* Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidencePeter Moylan
|       | |    ||+* Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidenceKen Blake
|       | |    |||`* Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidencePeter Moylan
|       | |    ||| `- Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidenceSilvano
|       | |    ||`- Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidenceStoat
|       | |    |+- Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidenceQuinn C
|       | |    |+- Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidenceSam Plusnet
|       | |    |`* Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidencecharles
|       | |    `* Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidenceJerry Friedman
|       | `* Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidenceTony Cooper
|       +* Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidencePeter T. Daniels
|       `* Re: An interlingual phonetic coincidenceSnidely
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From: ram...@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram)
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 by: Stefan Ram - Fri, 20 May 2022 14:26 UTC

Bebercito <bebercito@aol.com> writes:
>My mistake, it was "The Cafe", but that doesn't change anything
>as "café" and "cafe" are pronounced the same , i.e. as "kaffay".

cafe, café ˈkæf ᴇˑɪ / -iː; kæ ˈfᴇˑɪ ‖ kæ ˈfᴇˑɪ / kə-
- Fr [ka fe]
- Sometimes also (but in RP only facetiously) kæf, kᴇˑɪf
~s z

Symbols with different meanings than in IPA:
ᴇ a sound between [e] and [ɛ], usually transcribed as either [e] or [ɛ]
‖ separates standard BrE (left) from standard AmE (right)
/ precedes alternative (non-main) pronunciations for a region
the space separates different pronunciations
; the semicolon separates different pronunciations

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 by: CDB - Fri, 20 May 2022 14:47 UTC

On 5/19/2022 5:51 PM, Quinn C wrote:
> CDB:
>> Quinn C wrote:
>>> CDB:

>> [Veras]

>>>> And who can forget the beautiful Vera Hruba Ralston?

>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whslTp-Oe7g

>>> Not me, since I never knew her in the first place.

Me neither, but I have remembered that name for many years.

>> How about the ever-popular Mae Busch?

> Since she played in Laurel & Hardy movies, I've certainly seen her,
> but didn't remember her name. The secondary characters in those
> movies tend to not have a lot of personality.

> I didn't recognize any other movie titles. What do you remember her
> for?

Mostly for being a stock line of Jackie Gleason's on '50s television,
with "Busch" pronounced "boosh" [buS].

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 by: Tony Cooper - Fri, 20 May 2022 14:48 UTC

On Fri, 20 May 2022 13:18:39 +0100, Paul Wolff
<bounceme@thiswontwork.wolff.co.uk> wrote:

>On Thu, 19 May 2022, at 06:34:54, Peter T. Daniels posted:
>>On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 5:13:22 PM UTC-4, Paul Wolff wrote:
>>> On Wed, 18 May 2022, at 09:33:05, Kerr-Mudd, John posted:
>>> >"Peter T. Daniels" <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>> >> On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 4:17:18 PM UTC-4, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
>>> >> > "Peter T. Daniels" <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>> >> > > > are willing to laugh at themselves, and, having read Shute's works,
>>> >> > > > perhaps some of his fondness for the place has rubbed off.
>>> >> > > Of course. Australia has never felt an urge to throw off the yoke of
>>> >> > > British imperialism.
>>> >> > At least they haven't (so far) started out on their own imperialism.
>>> [big gap]
>>> >> Someone seems not to have kept up with South Pacific current events.
>>> >Fair enough. We seem to focus on the Ukraine & Boris, though Strange
>>> >Going Ons in the US intrude,
>>>
>>> A recent puzzle was why the BBC promoted to its No. 1 news item some
>>> weeks ago a leaked draft judgement of the American Supreme Court on the
>>> matter of whether abortion was covered by their constitution. I mean -
>>> as a British news headline, that's got everything wrong with it.
>>> Foreign, underhand provenance, irrelevant to British interests. Would
>>> they report a leaked draft ruling of Iranian mullahs on the same subject
>>> in the Iranian constitution? No, of course they wouldn't.
>>
>>Could it have anything to do with public opinion?
>>
>>Could it have anything to do with freedom of expression?
>>
>>Could it be that nothing like it happened in the previous 232 years?
>
>How much do you think the answers to any of these questions about leaked
>American constitutional goings-on are of great moment to the British
>public?
>>
>>> >I think mostly because Brit reporters would like a job in the US.
>>>
>>> You old cynic.
>
>Or because the British reporters over there are (a) many, and (b)
>spoon-fed stories which are easy for them to send back home without
>trouble. But still, that doesn't explain why those stories are then
>trumpeted out by the Beeb relay service.

The answer to your question of why the BBC chose to lead a news
program with the story of the leak is problem more mundane than you
think. Some editor or higher-up simply decided that no other issue
would be of greater interest, so the leak got the lead.

If the decision had been made a few hours later, some other home-grown
issue might have got the nod. News happens like that.

The greater consideration, though, is will the action of the US
Supreme Court on Roe vs Wade have any effect on the UK? You don't
seem to think it will, but you might be overlooking some aspects of
this.

It's not just Roe vs Wade at issue here. It's an indication that the
current Supreme Court is likely to strike down what is called "settled
law". That puts same-sex marriage and other personal choice
protections at risk.

OK...those are issues that would affect Americans, so why should you
care in the UK?

Wouldn't those issues also affect UK and European businesses and
organizations who have presence in the US? Or those that might be
considering expanding or initiating their presence in the US? Would
employees of those businesses or oganizations be as willing to take
assignments working in the US?

Then there's the presence of Americans - from tourists to those in the
military to those employed by businesses, universities, and other
organizations who that BBC broadcast reached. They are part of the
audience.

Last...there's the purient interest in certain subjects that no news
organization will admit to overlooking. In this case, you might call
it the Schadenfreude Factor: We may be fucked up over here, but it's
good to see that you're just as fucked up over there.


--

Tony Cooper - Orlando Florida

I read and post to this group as a form of entertainment.

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 by: CDB - Fri, 20 May 2022 14:50 UTC

On 5/19/2022 4:21 PM, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
> Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> scribeva:

>> This perpetural whine of "I'm a victim" is getting old. That's an
>> "attack" based on what has been written by Ruud, not an "attack"
>> based on how long he's been posting here.

> I'm not a victim, because I am leading a happy life, totally
> independent of what happens in this group.

> I'm calling attention to a general mechanism in human nature, hoping
> awareness will make life easier on all those other victims, millions
> of them, who are not as fortunate as I am.

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 by: CDB - Fri, 20 May 2022 14:53 UTC

On 5/19/2022 8:14 PM, Snidely wrote:
> CDB submitted this idea :
>> Anders D. Nygaard wrote:
>>> CDB:
>>>> Jerry Friedman wrote:
>>>>> CDB wrote:

>>>>>> [...] -- I always wanted to be Charlie, but nooo.

>>>>> We can call you Charlie if you want.

>>>> Thanks, but you're too late. Charlie, who was my uncle, is now
>>>> my nephew, and I am often mistaken for a business district.

>>> I thought Bob's your uncle?

>> I'm not that copacetic.

> We need to see Lola!

Still putting her face on. Not ready for closeup.

--
And no relation.

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From: nob...@home.com (Janet)
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 by: Janet - Fri, 20 May 2022 15:50 UTC

In article <sAgNXQffc4hiFAOP@wolff.co.uk>,
bounceme@thiswontwork.wolff.co.uk says...
>
> On Thu, 19 May 2022, at 06:34:54, Peter T. Daniels posted:
> >On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 5:13:22 PM UTC-4, Paul Wolff wrote:
> >> On Wed, 18 May 2022, at 09:33:05, Kerr-Mudd, John posted:
> >> >"Peter T. Daniels" <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >> >> On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 4:17:18 PM UTC-4, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> >> >> > "Peter T. Daniels" <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> >> >> > > > are willing to laugh at themselves, and, having read Shute's works,
> >> >> > > > perhaps some of his fondness for the place has rubbed off.
> >> >> > > Of course. Australia has never felt an urge to throw off the yoke of
> >> >> > > British imperialism.
> >> >> > At least they haven't (so far) started out on their own imperialism.
> >> [big gap]
> >> >> Someone seems not to have kept up with South Pacific current events.
> >> >Fair enough. We seem to focus on the Ukraine & Boris, though Strange
> >> >Going Ons in the US intrude,
> >>
> >> A recent puzzle was why the BBC promoted to its No. 1 news item some
> >> weeks ago a leaked draft judgement of the American Supreme Court on the
> >> matter of whether abortion was covered by their constitution. I mean -
> >> as a British news headline, that's got everything wrong with it.
> >> Foreign, underhand provenance, irrelevant to British interests. Would
> >> they report a leaked draft ruling of Iranian mullahs on the same subject
> >> in the Iranian constitution? No, of course they wouldn't.
> >
> >Could it have anything to do with public opinion?
> >
> >Could it have anything to do with freedom of expression?
> >
> >Could it be that nothing like it happened in the previous 232 years?
>
> How much do you think the answers to any of these questions about leaked
> American constitutional goings-on are of great moment to the British
> public?
> >
> >> >I think mostly because Brit reporters would like a job in the US.
> >>
> >> You old cynic.
>
> Or because the British reporters over there are (a) many, and (b)
> spoon-fed stories which are easy for them to send back home without
> trouble. But still, that doesn't explain why those stories are then
> trumpeted out by the Beeb relay service.

The BBC (and other UK news media) report US Abortion issues to
Britain, for the same reason they report on the fate of girls schools in
Afghanistan and loss of womens' rights in Iran. Because at least half
the UK audience has a personal interest in the emancipation of women.

Janet

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From: bounc...@thiswontwork.wolff.co.uk (Paul Wolff)
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 by: Paul Wolff - Fri, 20 May 2022 16:28 UTC

On Fri, 20 May 2022, at 16:50:14, Janet posted:
>In article <sAgNXQffc4hiFAOP@wolff.co.uk>,
>bounceme@thiswontwork.wolff.co.uk says...
>> On Thu, 19 May 2022, at 06:34:54, Peter T. Daniels posted:
>> >On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 5:13:22 PM UTC-4, Paul Wolff wrote:
>> >>
>> >> A recent puzzle was why the BBC promoted to its No. 1 news item some
>> >> weeks ago a leaked draft judgement of the American Supreme Court on the
>> >> matter of whether abortion was covered by their constitution. I mean -
>> >> as a British news headline, that's got everything wrong with it.
>> >> Foreign, underhand provenance, irrelevant to British interests. Would
>> >> they report a leaked draft ruling of Iranian mullahs on the same subject
>> >> in the Iranian constitution? No, of course they wouldn't.
>> >
>> >Could it have anything to do with public opinion?
>> >
>> >Could it have anything to do with freedom of expression?
>> >
>> >Could it be that nothing like it happened in the previous 232 years?
>>
>> How much do you think the answers to any of these questions about leaked
>> American constitutional goings-on are of great moment to the British
>> public?
>> >
>> >> >I think mostly because Brit reporters would like a job in the US.
>> >>
>> >> You old cynic.
>>
>> Or because the British reporters over there are (a) many, and (b)
>> spoon-fed stories which are easy for them to send back home without
>> trouble. But still, that doesn't explain why those stories are then
>> trumpeted out by the Beeb relay service.
>
> The BBC (and other UK news media) report US Abortion issues to
>Britain, for the same reason they report on the fate of girls schools in
>Afghanistan and loss of womens' rights in Iran. Because at least half
>the UK audience has a personal interest in the emancipation of women.
>
I'm interested in ethical issues anywhere. Take a world view, and see
where the stories are coming from. The reporting is grossly unbalanced.
I thought it wholly disproportionate for the question whether abortion
falls under the Constitution or under State law in the USA to be
promoted to the top item of news locally in Britain. And it's still
undecided, by the way.

The laws governing abortion in Ireland (both countries) are far more
relevant to the United Kingdom than those the other side of the
Atlantic, in my judgement. They affect us directly. Has yesterday's
abortion news concerning Northern Ireland hit the BBC bulletins with
such a fanfare yet? If it did, I missed it. Amnesty International
didn't:

<https://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/northern-ireland-westminster-
steps-deliver-abortion-services>
--
Paul

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 by: ruudhar...@gmail.com - Fri, 20 May 2022 17:01 UTC

On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 8:13:07 PM UTC+2, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
> This morning I heard a silly ad on Youtube, in which an English
> expression was translated literally. It was wrong, because the same
> expression exists in Dutch, but slightly different, minus one word.
>
> Now I wish I could remember what the expression was. But I can't.

Heard it again. It was about an air conditioner.
"Heeft u genoeg gehad van warme [something]".

The almost identical expressions are:
English: "I've had enough of it."
Dutch: "Ik heb er genoeg van".

So a correct translation would have left out the "gehad" as the direct
translation of the English "had". This bad translation, with a human
voice, pretending to be a computer voice by using a strange intonation
and a strange rhythm, was word for word. Probably intentionally done
so badly. To irritate people, or make them laugh (not me), and thereby
getting more attention.

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 by: Peter T. Daniels - Fri, 20 May 2022 17:31 UTC

On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 12:35:27 PM UTC-4, Paul Wolff wrote:
> On Fri, 20 May 2022, at 16:50:14, Janet posted:

> > The BBC (and other UK news media) report US Abortion issues to
> >Britain, for the same reason they report on the fate of girls schools in
> >Afghanistan and loss of womens' rights in Iran. Because at least half
> >the UK audience has a personal interest in the emancipation of women.
> >
> I'm interested in ethical issues anywhere. Take a world view, and see
> where the stories are coming from. The reporting is grossly unbalanced.
> I thought it wholly disproportionate for the question whether abortion
> falls under the Constitution or under State law in the USA to be
> promoted to the top item of news locally in Britain. And it's still
> undecided, by the way.

It's not interesting that the residents of half the states will no longer
have access to abortion? That those who need it will have to travel
hundreds at least, in some cases thousands of miles for care?

> The laws governing abortion in Ireland (both countries) are far more
> relevant to the United Kingdom than those the other side of the
> Atlantic, in my judgement. They affect us directly. Has yesterday's
> abortion news concerning Northern Ireland hit the BBC bulletins with
> such a fanfare yet? If it did, I missed it. Amnesty International
> didn't:
>
> <https://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/northern-ireland-westminster-
> steps-deliver-abortion-services>

I would have to "accept cookies" just to find out what that's about. It looks like
a liberalization of access, from the headline.

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 by: Peter T. Daniels - Fri, 20 May 2022 17:32 UTC

On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 1:01:21 PM UTC-4, ruudhar...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 8:13:07 PM UTC+2, Ruud Harmsen wrote:
> > This morning I heard a silly ad on Youtube, in which an English
> > expression was translated literally. It was wrong, because the same
> > expression exists in Dutch, but slightly different, minus one word.
> >
> > Now I wish I could remember what the expression was. But I can't.
>
> Heard it again. It was about an air conditioner.
> "Heeft u genoeg gehad van warme [something]".
>
> The almost identical expressions are:
> English: "I've had enough of it."

No "of it."

> Dutch: "Ik heb er genoeg van".
>
> So a correct translation would have left out the "gehad" as the direct
> translation of the English "had". This bad translation, with a human
> voice, pretending to be a computer voice by using a strange intonation
> and a strange rhythm, was word for word. Probably intentionally done
> so badly. To irritate people, or make them laugh (not me), and thereby
> getting more attention.

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 by: Tony Cooper - Fri, 20 May 2022 17:47 UTC

On Fri, 20 May 2022 10:31:21 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
<grammatim@verizon.net> wrote:

>On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 12:35:27 PM UTC-4, Paul Wolff wrote:
>> On Fri, 20 May 2022, at 16:50:14, Janet posted:
>
>> > The BBC (and other UK news media) report US Abortion issues to
>> >Britain, for the same reason they report on the fate of girls schools in
>> >Afghanistan and loss of womens' rights in Iran. Because at least half
>> >the UK audience has a personal interest in the emancipation of women.
>> >
>> I'm interested in ethical issues anywhere. Take a world view, and see
>> where the stories are coming from. The reporting is grossly unbalanced.
>> I thought it wholly disproportionate for the question whether abortion
>> falls under the Constitution or under State law in the USA to be
>> promoted to the top item of news locally in Britain. And it's still
>> undecided, by the way.
>
>It's not interesting that the residents of half the states will no longer
>have access to abortion? That those who need it will have to travel
>hundreds at least, in some cases thousands of miles for care?
>
>> The laws governing abortion in Ireland (both countries) are far more
>> relevant to the United Kingdom than those the other side of the
>> Atlantic, in my judgement. They affect us directly. Has yesterday's
>> abortion news concerning Northern Ireland hit the BBC bulletins with
>> such a fanfare yet? If it did, I missed it. Amnesty International
>> didn't:
>>
>> <https://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/northern-ireland-westminster-steps-deliver-abortion-services>
>
>I would have to "accept cookies" just to find out what that's about. It looks like
>a liberalization of access, from the headline.
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Tony Cooper - Orlando Florida

I read and post to this group as a form of entertainment.

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 by: Sam Plusnet - Fri, 20 May 2022 18:30 UTC

On 20-May-22 9:03, J. J. Lodder wrote:

> There are some exaggerated and poorly documented myths
> about American snipers with long rifled guns
> being all important in the war of independence
> by selectively killing British generals.
>

Seems to work in Ukraine.

--
Sam Plusnet

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 by: Sam Plusnet - Fri, 20 May 2022 18:31 UTC

On 20-May-22 2:19, Peter Moylan wrote:
> On 19/05/22 22:16, Tony Cooper wrote:

>> Last night, watching a TV program, two different women said "oh em
>> gee".  The program is a Canadian production set in Toronto.
>>
>> They were mothers at a party for one mother's child's first
>> birthday.
>
> Social media - Usenet and its successors - are to blame for this. In
> online discussions it's natural to create abbreviations for common
> phrases. Eventually newcomers arrive who have little or no knowledge of
> the original phrase, and know only the abbreviation.
>
> It's very possible that some of the OMG users have no idea that gods
> were originally being invoked.
>

OK.

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Sam Plusnet

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 by: Sam Plusnet - Fri, 20 May 2022 18:42 UTC

On 20-May-22 15:14, CDB wrote:
> On 5/19/2022 4:18 PM, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>> Tony Cooper wrote:
>>> "Peter T. Daniels"
>  <grammatim@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>> CDB wrote:
>>>>> Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>>>>>> Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>>>>> Hibou wrote>>> Peter T. Daniels a écrit:
>
>>>>>>> In reply to Hibou
>>>>>>>>> OMG. The Bill of Rights was written in 1790.
>
>>>>>>> Surely "OMG" is an exclamation one would expect from a
>>>>>>> "Valley Girl", not a senior citizen in NJ?
>
>>>>>> So Americanisms are another thing you're not up on. It is
>>>>>> not pronounced as an initialism; it is simply "oh, my God!"
>>>>>> expressing incredulity.
>
>>>>> There was a supporting character in _The Cafe_ who said it as
>>>>> an intitalism, with emphasis. Some here may be pleased to learn
>>>>> that I have had no success in my search for a Youtube clip of
>>>>> her.
>
>>>> Is that kaff or kaffay?
>
>>> "kaffay".  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kfVCQjLYek
>
>>> Set in Weston-super-Mare, and a quite watchable series, but
>>> cancelled after Series 2 in 2013.   I think it was shown by our
>>> local PBS station in 2019 or 2020.  British shows often take the
>>> slow boat to the US.
>
>> I haven't been to Weston for some time, so I googled to refresh the
>> memory.
>
>> Google offers answers to questions you haven't asked (and almost
>> certainly would never have asked). One of these said:
>
>> "Is Weston-super-Mare rough?"
>
>> "Weston-Super-Mare is the second most dangerous major town in
>> Somerset"
>
>> But if you follow the link, it will also tell you that Weston is:
>
>> "the 779th most dangerous location out of all towns, cities, and
>> villages [in the UK]."
>
> It's a zleepy old county.
>

Quite.
Not the first place anyone would seek out for a walk on the wild side.

The annoying part was that it didn't offer an easy way to discover which
was _the_ most dangerous town in Somerset.

Somerset ain't what it was. There have been various boundary changes
which removed some places from the county, & (IIRC) later added some of
them back in again.

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Sam Plusnet

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 by: Adam Funk - Fri, 20 May 2022 18:47 UTC

On 2022-05-19, Peter T. Daniels wrote:

> On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 2:30:08 PM UTC-4, Adam Funk wrote:
>> On 2022-05-19, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>>
>> > On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 10:44:10 AM UTC-4, Silvano wrote:
>> >> Rich Ulrich hat am 19.05.2022 um 07:45 geschrieben:
>> >> > Article One is still pending before the states.
>> >> Still pending since the 18th century? Wow! And then some people dare
>> >> complain about the slow pace before the 27 national governments reach
>> >> unanimous decisions for the whole EU.
>> >
>> > Here's the text. Do you think 38 states should approve it?
>> >
>> > "After the first enumeration required by the first article of the Constitution,
>> > there shall be one Representative for every thirty thousand, until the number
>> > shall amount to one hundred, after which the proportion shall be so regulated
>> > by Congress, that there shall be not less than one hundred Representatives,
>> > nor less than one Representative for every forty thousand persons, until the
>> > number of Representatives shall amount to two hundred; after which the
>> > proportion shall be so regulated by Congress, that there shall not be less
>> > than two hundred Representatives, nor more than one Representative for
>> > every fifty thousand persons."
>> >
>> > The number of Representatives was increased (by statute) throughout
>> > the 19th century, but they stopped at 435 around 1920. That _small
>> > number_ is the main reason for the problems with the Electoral College.
>>
>> Just curious --- what's the current representative to population ratio?
>
> Google found that census.gov gives this (but I couldn't find it starting
> from the census.gov front page):
>
> The 2020 Census shows that the resident population of the United States,
> including the 50 states and the District of Columbia, was 331,449,281 as of
> April 1, 2020, an increase of 7.4% since the 2010 Census.
>
> https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2021/04/2020-census-data-release.html
>
> So: dividing the above by 435 gives 761,952 people per Congressional
> District, but you can't go by that because of the small states that get 1
> Representative no matter what -- there are 6 of those (west to east,
> AK WY ND SD DE VT). Someone might do that sum (as they say in BrE)
> for each of the 50 states and 6 territories with delegates to see which
> ones have the fewest constituents per Rep. (PR definitely loses.)
>
> A bunch of nice tables and charts here, plus the algorithms for doing it.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_congressional_apportionment

Interesting, thanks!

> This morning the Census Bureau announced which states they think were
> undercounted and which overcounted.
>
>> > (Here's the one that wasn't approved until 1992:
>> >
>> > ("No law, varying the compensation for the services of the Senators and
>> > Representatives, shall take effect, until an election of Representatives
>> > shall have intervened."
>> >
>> > (It ended up as
>> >
>> > ("AMENDMENT XXVII
>> > ("Originally proposed Sept. 25, 1789. Ratified May 7, 1992.
>> >
>> > ("No law, varying the compensation for the services of the Senators and
>> > Representatives, shall take effect, until an election of Representatives
>> > shall have intervened."
>> >
>> > (They didn't even update the punctuation.)
>>
>> Wouldn't changing it have necessitated starting the ratification
>> process over again?
>
> Well the spelling of the KJV was updated some time in the 18th century.

That probably just had to pass one KJV committee.

> Ruud could note "shall have intervened"; now we'd say "intervenes."

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 by: Adam Funk - Fri, 20 May 2022 18:49 UTC

On 2022-05-19, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:

> On Thu, 19 May 2022 20:13:25 +0100
> Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 19/05/2022 8:01 pm, Tony Cooper wrote:
>> > On Thu, 19 May 2022 19:04:47 +0100, Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 2022-05-19, Tony Cooper wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On Thu, 19 May 2022 09:17:03 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
>> >>> <grammatim@verizon.net> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 10:57:39 AM UTC-4, Tony Cooper wrote:
>> >>>>> On Thu, 19 May 2022 07:39:16 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
>> >>>>> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> >>>>>> On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 8:00:55 AM UTC-4, CDB wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>> There was a supporting character in _The Cafe_ who said it as an
>> >>>>>>> intitalism, with emphasis. Some here may be pleased to learn that I
>> >>>>>>> have had no success in my search for a Youtube clip of her.
>> >>>>>> Is that kaff or kaffay?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> "kaffay". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kfVCQjLYek
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Contradicting what has been said here about the usual pronunciation
>> >>>> of that word in BrE.
>> >>>
>> >>> Well, it doesn't as far as I know. You'd have to ask a Brit, but my
>> >>> understanding is that a "kaff" is a particular type of eating place
>> >>> that is associated with a down-market establishment. A "kaffay" is
>> >>> more upmarket and appeals to a better crowd.
>> >>
>> >> Yes. And a "transport caff" (not sure if there's a standard spelling)
>> >> is roughly equivalent to a truck stop.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Thank you for "transport caff". That term eluded me, but it does seem
>> > associated with what we would call "truck stops"; places where
>> > long-haul truckers stop.
>> >
>> > However, our "truck stops" are frequently very large facilities. I
>> > was in one recently with available showers, TV rooms, laundry
>> > facilities, and an acre of aisles of merchandise for sale.
>>
>> We have such places, but we don't call them "transport cafes".
>> They are normally on motorways and are known as "motorway
>> services". Generally run as part of a chain: Moto, RoadChef,
>> Welcome Break, Granada, etc. Expensive, with plastic food.
>> Transport "caffs" are typically independent, cheap and cheerful
>> affairs with rather more tempting (but still cholesterol-laden) fare.
>>
> And the latter are possibly extinct. I've not seen one for 3 decades.
>
> I vaguety recalled a TV drama set in a cafe - a different seriess, based on a real one (well the location was). Up Sam's way.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_Cafe_(TV_series)
> Yup, no-one's written anything about it!
> Not much here either, but at least it did exist:
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00jzj0l

AIUI, one of the reasons people are leaving the haulage trade is the
decreasing quantity & quality of facilities for them to stop in.

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 by: Adam Funk - Fri, 20 May 2022 18:48 UTC

On 2022-05-19, Sam Plusnet wrote:

> On 19-May-22 1:42, Peter Moylan wrote:
>> On 19/05/22 02:31, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>> On 18-May-22 1:59, Tony Cooper wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 18 May 2022 01:33:33 +0100, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>> (Of When I'm sixtyfour.)
>>>
>>>>> I don't know where "Chuck" came from.  It isn't a diminutive form
>>>>> of Charles that I've ever heard in BrE.
>>>>
>>>> Some here will remember Charles Riggs.  While he lived in Ireland,
>>>> he was an American.  He had been living in Ireland when I first
>>>> encountered him here in a.u.e.
>>>>
>>>> He posted as "Chuck Riggs" and at other times as "Charles Riggs".
>>>>
>>>> https://www.mail-archive.com/alt.usage.english@googlegroups.com/msg00070.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In this thread, he posts as "Chuck", but discusses "chuckless
>>>> Ireland".
>>>>
>>>> https://alt.usage.english.narkive.com/r9E9jpWv/literary-bulletin#post2
>>>
>>>>
>>> Fair enough, but is any evidence that Paul McCartney knew of aue when
>>> he wrote the song - in 1967?
>>
>> His choosing that name continues to be a mystery. I would have guessed
>> that Chuck is a name that one almost never encounters in England.
>>
> By 1967 they'd visited the US at least a couple of times. If they came
> across it there, they might have remembered & used it simply because of
> its novelty value.

Could be. I've never met an English person named or nicknamed "Chuck".

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 by: Kerr-Mudd, John - Fri, 20 May 2022 18:14 UTC

On Fri, 20 May 2022 19:49:09 +0100
Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> wrote:

> On 2022-05-19, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 19 May 2022 20:13:25 +0100
> > Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> On 19/05/2022 8:01 pm, Tony Cooper wrote:
> >> > On Thu, 19 May 2022 19:04:47 +0100, Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On 2022-05-19, Tony Cooper wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> On Thu, 19 May 2022 09:17:03 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
> >> >>> <grammatim@verizon.net> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 10:57:39 AM UTC-4, Tony Cooper wrote:
> >> >>>>> On Thu, 19 May 2022 07:39:16 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
> >> >>>>> <gram...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >> >>>>>> On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 8:00:55 AM UTC-4, CDB wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>> There was a supporting character in _The Cafe_ who said it as an
> >> >>>>>>> intitalism, with emphasis. Some here may be pleased to learn that I
> >> >>>>>>> have had no success in my search for a Youtube clip of her.
> >> >>>>>> Is that kaff or kaffay?
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> "kaffay". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kfVCQjLYek
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Contradicting what has been said here about the usual pronunciation
> >> >>>> of that word in BrE.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Well, it doesn't as far as I know. You'd have to ask a Brit, but my
> >> >>> understanding is that a "kaff" is a particular type of eating place
> >> >>> that is associated with a down-market establishment. A "kaffay" is
> >> >>> more upmarket and appeals to a better crowd.
> >> >>
> >> >> Yes. And a "transport caff" (not sure if there's a standard spelling)
> >> >> is roughly equivalent to a truck stop.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > Thank you for "transport caff". That term eluded me, but it does seem
> >> > associated with what we would call "truck stops"; places where
> >> > long-haul truckers stop.
> >> >
> >> > However, our "truck stops" are frequently very large facilities. I
> >> > was in one recently with available showers, TV rooms, laundry
> >> > facilities, and an acre of aisles of merchandise for sale.
> >>
> >> We have such places, but we don't call them "transport cafes".
> >> They are normally on motorways and are known as "motorway
> >> services". Generally run as part of a chain: Moto, RoadChef,
> >> Welcome Break, Granada, etc. Expensive, with plastic food.
> >> Transport "caffs" are typically independent, cheap and cheerful
> >> affairs with rather more tempting (but still cholesterol-laden) fare.
> >>
> > And the latter are possibly extinct. I've not seen one for 3 decades.
> >
> > I vaguety recalled a TV drama set in a cafe - a different seriess, based on a real one (well the location was). Up Sam's way.
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_Cafe_(TV_series)
> > Yup, no-one's written anything about it!
> > Not much here either, but at least it did exist:
> > https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00jzj0l
>
> AIUI, one of the reasons people are leaving the haulage trade is the
> decreasing quantity & quality of facilities for them to stop in.
>
Another Cafe series:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/As_Good_Cooks_Go#Plot

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 by: Paul Wolff - Fri, 20 May 2022 19:40 UTC

On Fri, 20 May 2022, at 19:31:44, Sam Plusnet posted:
>On 20-May-22 2:19, Peter Moylan wrote:
>> On 19/05/22 22:16, Tony Cooper wrote:
>
>>> Last night, watching a TV program, two different women said "oh em
>>> gee".  The program is a Canadian production set in Toronto.
>>>
>>> They were mothers at a party for one mother's child's first
>>> birthday.
>> Social media - Usenet and its successors - are to blame for this. In
>> online discussions it's natural to create abbreviations for common
>> phrases. Eventually newcomers arrive who have little or no knowledge of
>> the original phrase, and know only the abbreviation.
>> It's very possible that some of the OMG users have no idea that gods
>> were originally being invoked.
>
>OK.
>
O Krikey?
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Paul

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 by: Paul Wolff - Fri, 20 May 2022 19:50 UTC

On Fri, 20 May 2022, at 19:48:06, Adam Funk posted:
>On 2022-05-19, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>> On 19-May-22 1:42, Peter Moylan wrote:
>>> On 19/05/22 02:31, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>> On 18-May-22 1:59, Tony Cooper wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 18 May 2022 01:33:33 +0100, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com>

>>>> (Of When I'm sixtyfour.)
>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know where "Chuck" came from.  It isn't a diminutive form
>>>>>> of Charles that I've ever heard in BrE.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some here will remember Charles Riggs.  While he lived in Ireland,
>>>>> he was an American.  He had been living in Ireland when I first
>>>>> encountered him here in a.u.e.
>>>>>
>>>>> He posted as "Chuck Riggs" and at other times as "Charles Riggs".
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>https://www.mail-archive.com/alt.usage.english@googlegroups.com/msg0
>>>>>0070.html
>>>>>
>>>>> In this thread, he posts as "Chuck", but discusses "chuckless
>>>>> Ireland".
>>>>>
>>>>> https://alt.usage.english.narkive.com/r9E9jpWv/literary-bulletin#post2
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Fair enough, but is any evidence that Paul McCartney knew of aue when
>>>> he wrote the song - in 1967?
>>>
>>> His choosing that name continues to be a mystery. I would have guessed
>>> that Chuck is a name that one almost never encounters in England.
>>>
>> By 1967 they'd visited the US at least a couple of times. If they came
>> across it there, they might have remembered & used it simply because of
>> its novelty value.
>
>Could be. I've never met an English person named or nicknamed "Chuck".
>
Nor I (presuming perfect memory). Isn't it just a familiar diminutive,
like 'duck', 'ducky', or 'ducks'? Suspect fowl play if you like.
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 by: Paul Wolff - Fri, 20 May 2022 20:02 UTC

On Fri, 20 May 2022, at 10:31:21, Peter T. Daniels posted:
>On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 12:35:27 PM UTC-4, Paul Wolff wrote:
>> On Fri, 20 May 2022, at 16:50:14, Janet posted:
>
>> > The BBC (and other UK news media) report US Abortion issues to
>> >Britain, for the same reason they report on the fate of girls schools in
>> >Afghanistan and loss of womens' rights in Iran. Because at least half
>> >the UK audience has a personal interest in the emancipation of women.
>> >
>> I'm interested in ethical issues anywhere. Take a world view, and see
>> where the stories are coming from. The reporting is grossly unbalanced.
>> I thought it wholly disproportionate for the question whether abortion
>> falls under the Constitution or under State law in the USA to be
>> promoted to the top item of news locally in Britain. And it's still
>> undecided, by the way.
>
>It's not interesting that the residents of half the states will no longer
>have access to abortion? That those who need it will have to travel
>hundreds at least, in some cases thousands of miles for care?

First of all, that's not actually what happened, which was that someone
unidentified sent a preliminary draft of an opinion to the mass media.

As to the question itself, isn't that already the case the world over?
Why should it suddenly be the principal headline news one morning in
Britain?
>
>> The laws governing abortion in Ireland (both countries) are far more
>> relevant to the United Kingdom than those the other side of the
>> Atlantic, in my judgement. They affect us directly. Has yesterday's
>> abortion news concerning Northern Ireland hit the BBC bulletins with
>> such a fanfare yet? If it did, I missed it. Amnesty International
>> didn't:
>>
>> <https://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/northern-ireland-westminster-
>> steps-deliver-abortion-services>
>
>I would have to "accept cookies" just to find out what that's about. It
>looks like
>a liberalization of access, from the headline.

It may respond differently for me and for you. My recollection is that I
clicked a button offering me a choice of cookies, and I selected
'strictly necessary' without coming to any harm that I noticed. Of
course it might well be engineered that way. And I don't believe that
/any/ cookies can truly be "strictly necessary" in order to show a
simple web page. But I respect Amnesty International's ethos.

What it's about is a take-over of Northern Ireland abortion law by the
UK government in Westminster. Far more relevant to the British people
than what Texas might be threatening in your neck of the woods.
--
Paul

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 by: Jerry Friedman - Fri, 20 May 2022 20:09 UTC

On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 10:35:27 AM UTC-6, Paul Wolff wrote:
> On Fri, 20 May 2022, at 16:50:14, Janet posted:
....

> >> >On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 5:13:22 PM UTC-4, Paul Wolff wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> A recent puzzle was why the BBC promoted to its No. 1 news item some
> >> >> weeks ago a leaked draft judgement of the American Supreme Court on the
> >> >> matter of whether abortion was covered by their constitution. I mean -
> >> >> as a British news headline, that's got everything wrong with it.
> >> >> Foreign, underhand provenance, irrelevant to British interests.

If the British media avoid stories of underhand provenance, they're very
different from all the American media I know about.
....

> > The BBC (and other UK news media) report US Abortion issues to
> >Britain, for the same reason they report on the fate of girls schools in
> >Afghanistan and loss of womens' rights in Iran. Because at least half
> >the UK audience has a personal interest in the emancipation of women.
> >
> I'm interested in ethical issues anywhere. Take a world view, and see
> where the stories are coming from. The reporting is grossly unbalanced.
> I thought it wholly disproportionate for the question whether abortion
> falls under the Constitution or under State law in the USA to be
> promoted to the top item of news locally in Britain.

Well, in practical terms, it means abortion will become illegal, always or
almost always, in eleven states as soon as the decision is announced,
and in another fifteen or so shortly afterwards, IIRC.

> And it's still undecided, by the way.

It's now clear how the decision will go.

But I'm not arguing about what stories the British media should emphasize
and how much.

> The laws governing abortion in Ireland (both countries) are far more
> relevant to the United Kingdom than those the other side of the
> Atlantic, in my judgement. They affect us directly. Has yesterday's
> abortion news concerning Northern Ireland hit the BBC bulletins with
> such a fanfare yet? If it did, I missed it. Amnesty International
> didn't:
>
> <https://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/northern-ireland-westminster-
> steps-deliver-abortion-services>

--
Jerry Friedman

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 by: Tony Cooper - Fri, 20 May 2022 20:33 UTC

On Fri, 20 May 2022 21:02:37 +0100, Paul Wolff
<bounceme@thiswontwork.wolff.co.uk> wrote:

>On Fri, 20 May 2022, at 10:31:21, Peter T. Daniels posted:
>>On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 12:35:27 PM UTC-4, Paul Wolff wrote:
>>> On Fri, 20 May 2022, at 16:50:14, Janet posted:
>>
>>> > The BBC (and other UK news media) report US Abortion issues to
>>> >Britain, for the same reason they report on the fate of girls schools in
>>> >Afghanistan and loss of womens' rights in Iran. Because at least half
>>> >the UK audience has a personal interest in the emancipation of women.
>>> >
>>> I'm interested in ethical issues anywhere. Take a world view, and see
>>> where the stories are coming from. The reporting is grossly unbalanced.
>>> I thought it wholly disproportionate for the question whether abortion
>>> falls under the Constitution or under State law in the USA to be
>>> promoted to the top item of news locally in Britain. And it's still
>>> undecided, by the way.
>>
>>It's not interesting that the residents of half the states will no longer
>>have access to abortion? That those who need it will have to travel
>>hundreds at least, in some cases thousands of miles for care?
>
>First of all, that's not actually what happened, which was that someone
>unidentified sent a preliminary draft of an opinion to the mass media.
>
>As to the question itself, isn't that already the case the world over?
>Why should it suddenly be the principal headline news one morning in
>Britain?

I have made my case on this in another post, but I am somewhat
surprised that you feel some item that pertains to another country,
even it it doesn't directly affect the UK, gets coverage in the UK.

Where do you draw the line? Should the BBC hold off on stories about
Monkeypox until there's a reported case in the UK?

--

Tony Cooper - Orlando Florida

I read and post to this group as a form of entertainment.

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 by: Tony Cooper - Fri, 20 May 2022 20:46 UTC

On Fri, 20 May 2022 21:02:37 +0100, Paul Wolff
<bounceme@thiswontwork.wolff.co.uk> wrote:

>>> <https://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/northern-ireland-westminster-steps-deliver-abortion-services>
>>
>>I would have to "accept cookies" just to find out what that's about. It
>>looks like
>>a liberalization of access, from the headline.
>
>It may respond differently for me and for you. My recollection is that I
>clicked a button offering me a choice of cookies, and I selected
>'strictly necessary' without coming to any harm that I noticed. Of
>course it might well be engineered that way. And I don't believe that
>/any/ cookies can truly be "strictly necessary" in order to show a
>simple web page. But I respect Amnesty International's ethos.
>
When I clicked the link, I had to accept cookies to read the page.

Windows users (of which PTD is one) can easily delete all cookies at
any time. I know people who delete all cookies after every online
session. I sometimes do, but clearing cookies also clears the
browser history and saved passwords. I don't consider that a problem
because my passwords are stored in a password manager, and I seldom
need to refer to my browser history.

It takes just a few keystrokes, and seconds, to delete all cookies,
but one must never question PTD's reasoning on any issue.
--

Tony Cooper - Orlando Florida

I read and post to this group as a form of entertainment.

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 by: Peter T. Daniels - Fri, 20 May 2022 21:14 UTC

On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 4:46:59 PM UTC-4, Tony Cooper wrote:
> On Fri, 20 May 2022 21:02:37 +0100, Paul Wolff
> <boun...@thiswontwork.wolff.co.uk> wrote:

> >>> <https://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/northern-ireland-westminster-steps-deliver-abortion-services>
> >>I would have to "accept cookies" just to find out what that's about. It
> >>looks like
> >>a liberalization of access, from the headline.
> >It may respond differently for me and for you. My recollection is that I
> >clicked a button offering me a choice of cookies, and I selected
> >'strictly necessary' without coming to any harm that I noticed. Of
> >course it might well be engineered that way. And I don't believe that
> >/any/ cookies can truly be "strictly necessary" in order to show a
> >simple web page. But I respect Amnesty International's ethos.
>
> When I clicked the link, I had to accept cookies to read the page.
>
> Windows users (of which PTD is one) can easily delete all cookies at
> any time. I know people who delete all cookies after every online
> session. I sometimes do, but clearing cookies also clears the
> browser history and saved passwords. I don't consider that a problem
> because my passwords are stored in a password manager, and I seldom
> need to refer to my browser history.

I like it, for instance, that Google Maps opens centered on my address.

I like it that TitanTV shows me the limited selection of broadcast stations
whose evening program listings I'd like to consult.

I once looked at a web site for a new luxury apartment development, and
that's the only thing I regularly see ads for. They're easy to ignore.

> It takes just a few keystrokes, and seconds, to delete all cookies,
> but one must never question PTD's reasoning on any issue.
> --
> Tony Cooper - Orlando Florida
>
> I read and post to this group as a form of entertainment.

And slander.

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