In article <l98gboFbqulU2@mid.individual.net>, gladiator@colosseum.rome
says...
>
> Mitchell Holman wrote:
> > Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote in
> > news:v03dg0$cjvt$3@dont-email.me:
> >
> >> On 4/20/2024 10:36 PM, Robert wrote:
> >>> On Apr 20, 2024, Maximus wrote
> >>> (in article <l8j1t3F4k36U1@mid.individual.net>):
> >>>
> >>>> Robert wrote:
> >>>>> On Apr 20, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
> >>>>> (in article<XnsB15A87CE5C25Cnoemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.18>):
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Dawn Flood<Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote in
> >>>>>> news:v00rh0$3p04n$1 @dont-email.me:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 4/20/2024 8:33 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:l8hd7gFrgdaU1
> >>>>>>>> @mid.individual.net:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On 13/04/2024 3:53 pm, Dawn Flood wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On 4/12/2024 8:33 PM, Michael Christ wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Maximus in his grandeur with incredible ignorance wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm of the opinion that the more a person knows about
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the christian faith, the less likely they are to believe
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Phil seeing the "observed fact," wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's just your narcissism and megalomania speaking
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> though.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Mego Maximus
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> no observed fact. easy to be christian is you believe
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> everything your told, and don't question anything
> >>>>>>>>>>>> No, that is just your narcissism and megalomania speaking,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> in the "full of yourself" superficial mindbogglingly stupid
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ignorance and arrogance, Moronimus Maximus.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Other than that, it is all good.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Michael,
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> With a God, I can imagine a universe that is vastly, vastly
> >>>>>> different
> >>>>>>>>>>> than the one that we are living in now in almost innumerably
> >>>>>>>>>>> different ways.
> >>>>>>>>>> Immeasurably.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> This universe is already dead, so obviously. It is only an
> >>>>>> appearance
> >>>>>>>>>> of "living." Death is not just in the grave; marching towards
> >>>>>>>>>> the grave is death. Our cells tell you from the moment we are
> >>>>>>>>>> born that the replacing cells are not quite the same, as good,
> >>>>>>>>>> as the
> >>>>>> original.
> >>>>>>>>>>> As it is, things seem to me to be far too "natural".
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Dawn
> >>>>>>>>>> Do you know why life appears to go on? Because it does. Now,
> >>>>>>>>>> if the atheist theory of stupidity were true according to the
> >>>>>>>>>> natural view (truth), we wouldn't even have such a thought.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> When are you ever going to mature enough to postulate there
> >>>>>>>>>> may be more to life than what your natural perception is
> >>>>>>>>>> telling you?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Do you really think that a new born life and all the
> >>>>>>>>>> personality in that new life is just natural? Then how do you
> >>>>>>>>>> get that one-of personality from impersonal matter and energy
> >>>>>>>>>> elements and into the nature of billions with personality.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Physics will never provide an answer to that, proving there is
> >>>>>>>>>> more
> >>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>> life than physics (science).
> >>>>>>>>> so are you saying personality is from some sort of God presence
> >>>>>> within?
> >>>>>>>>> if so what about animals? they have personalities too. do they
> >>>>>>>>> too
> >>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>>> some divine presence within?
> >>>>>>>> Bingo. Genesis went to great length
> >>>>>>>> to separate animals from people when it
> >>>>>>>> comes to divinity yet when God was angry
> >>>>>>>> about "corruption" he drowned the animals
> >>>>>>>> along with people.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Once again, you have me dancing to your tune, Dawn, but I am
> >>>>>>>>>> not
> >>>>>> going
> >>>>>>>>>> to keep doing that forever.
> >>>>>>>>> translation: I will not engage in rational debate. i just want
> >>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>> spruik
> >>>>>>>>> my gobbledygook
> >>>>>>>> This is the equivalant of Robert's
> >>>>>>>> "This conversation is over" whenever you
> >>>>>>>> catch him in a contradiction or a claim
> >>>>>>>> he cannot prove.
> >>>>>>> I hope that you are able to listen to that 7-hour debate between
> >>>>>>> Professor Bart Ehrman and Dr. Mike Licona, the latter who
> >>>>>>> admitted during the debate that a believer is susceptible to
> >>>>>>> losing their faith unless they are "grounded", a candid admission
> >>>>>>> that to believe is to be brainwashed.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Dawn
> >>>>>> All arguments with all Christians
> >>>>>> eventually boil down to "you just have
> >>>>>> to have faith".
> >>>>> “And when Jesus departed thence, two blind men followed him,
> >>>>> crying, and saying, Thou Son of David, have mercy on us. And when
> >>>>> he was come into the house, the blind men came to him: and Jesus
> >>>>> saith unto them, Believe ye that I am able to do this? They said
> >>>>> unto him, Yea, Lord. Then touched he their eyes, saying, According
> >>>>> to your faith be it unto you.” (Mat 9:27-29, KJV)
> >>>> Matthew 17:20: "Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a
> >>>> mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, �Move from here to
> >>>> there,� and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.”
> >>> Mark 11:22-24(KJV)
> >>>
> >>> 22And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.
> >>>
> >>> 23For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this
> >>> mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall
> >>> not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he
> >>> saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.
> >>>
> >>> 24Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye
> >>> pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.
> >>>
> >> Robert,
> >>
> >> Faith does not move mountains. Dynamite & bulldozers move mountains.
> >>
> >> Dawn
> >>
> >>
> > "Science flies you to the moon.
> > Faith flies you into buildings"
> >
> > - recently spotted bumper sticker -
>
> yes, it's belief in such nonsense that leads to Waco Texas, Jonestown,
> and all the rest

In article <l98geeFbqulU3@mid.individual.net>, gladiator@colosseum.rome
says...
>
> Little@man.Ball wrote:
> > On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 18:19:28 +0000
> > Mitchell Holman <dalmationstation@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> >> "Science flies you to the moon.
> >> Faith flies you into buildings"
> > The moon landing was hoaxed, so there's that...
> >
>
> wrong. do some research before believing more nonsense than you already do

Were you there?

In article <XnsB16352A26110Anoemailcomcastnet@69.80.101.22>,
dalmationstation@aol.com says...
>
> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in
> news:l98geeFbqulU3@mid.individual.net:
>
> > Little@man.Ball wrote:
> >> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 18:19:28 +0000
> >> Mitchell Holman <dalmationstation@aol.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> "Science flies you to the moon.
> >>> Faith flies you into buildings"
> >> The moon landing was hoaxed, so there's that...
> >>
> >
> > wrong. do some research before believing more nonsense than you
> > already do
> >
>
>
> I remember a study showing a faked
> moon landing conspiracy would require
> the silence of 400,000 people.
>
> The whole idea is preposterous.

The current admin is capable of doing that.

In article <l98r49Fda9uU3@mid.individual.net>, gladiator@colosseum.rome
says...
>
> Little@man.Ball wrote:
> > On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 09:30:09 +1000
> > Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote:
> >
> >> if you believe Noah's Ark really happened or is even possible
> > If not, you're in denial:
> >
> > https://arkencounter.com/
> >
> > Ark Encounter features a full-size Noah?s Ark, built according to the
> > dimensions given in the Bible. Spanning 510 feet long, 85 feet wide,
> > and 51 feet high, this modern engineering marvel amazes visitors young
> > and old.
> >
>
> anyone who believes the Ark story is too brain dead to have a sensible
> rational discussion with

So you don't allow others to have the freedom to think how they want?

Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:662fc052$0$2422109
$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

> In article <XnsB16352A26110Anoemailcomcastnet@69.80.101.22>,
> dalmationstation@aol.com says...
>>
>> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in
>> news:l98geeFbqulU3@mid.individual.net:
>>
>> > Little@man.Ball wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 18:19:28 +0000
>> >> Mitchell Holman <dalmationstation@aol.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> "Science flies you to the moon.
>> >>> Faith flies you into buildings"
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> The moon landing was hoaxed, so there's that...
>> >>
>> >
>> > wrong. do some research before believing more nonsense than you
>> > already do
>> >
>>
>>
>> I remember a study showing a faked
>> moon landing conspiracy would require
>> the silence of 400,000 people.
>>
>> The whole idea is preposterous.
>
> The current admin is capable of doing that.
>

Huh?

What does the "current administration"
have to with faked moon landing claim?

Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
news:662fc029$0$2422128$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

> In article <l98geeFbqulU3@mid.individual.net>,
> gladiator@colosseum.rome says...
>>
>> Little@man.Ball wrote:
>> > On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 18:19:28 +0000
>> > Mitchell Holman <dalmationstation@aol.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Science flies you to the moon.
>> >> Faith flies you into buildings"
>> >
>> >
>> > The moon landing was hoaxed, so there's that...
>> >
>>
>> wrong. do some research before believing more nonsense than you
>> already do
>
> Were you there?

Do you believe the moon landings were faked?

Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
news:662fc001$0$2422127$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

> In article <l98gboFbqulU2@mid.individual.net>,
> gladiator@colosseum.rome says...
>>
>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> > Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote in
>> > news:v03dg0$cjvt$3@dont-email.me:
>> >
>> >> On 4/20/2024 10:36 PM, Robert wrote:
>> >>> On Apr 20, 2024, Maximus wrote
>> >>> (in article <l8j1t3F4k36U1@mid.individual.net>):
>> >>>
>> >>>> Robert wrote:
>> >>>>> On Apr 20, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>> >>>>> (in article<XnsB15A87CE5C25Cnoemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.18>):
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> Dawn Flood<Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote in
>> >>>>>> news:v00rh0$3p04n$1 @dont-email.me:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On 4/20/2024 8:33 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> >>>>>>>> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in
>> >>>>>>>> news:l8hd7gFrgdaU1 @mid.individual.net:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>> On 13/04/2024 3:53 pm, Dawn Flood wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 4/12/2024 8:33 PM, Michael Christ wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Maximus in his grandeur with incredible ignorance wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm of the opinion that the more a person knows about
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the christian faith, the less likely they are to
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe in it.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Phil seeing the "observed fact," wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's just your narcissism and megalomania speaking
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> though.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Mego Maximus
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> no observed fact. easy to be christian is you believe
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> everything your told, and don't question anything
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> No, that is just your narcissism and megalomania
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> speaking, in the "full of yourself" superficial
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> mindbogglingly stupid ignorance and arrogance, Moronimus
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Maximus.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Other than that, it is all good.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Michael,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> With a God, I can imagine a universe that is vastly,
>> >>>>>>>>>>> vastly
>> >>>>>> different
>> >>>>>>>>>>> than the one that we are living in now in almost
>> >>>>>>>>>>> innumerably different ways.
>> >>>>>>>>>> Immeasurably.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> This universe is already dead, so obviously. It is only an
>> >>>>>> appearance
>> >>>>>>>>>> of "living." Death is not just in the grave; marching
>> >>>>>>>>>> towards the grave is death. Our cells tell you from the
>> >>>>>>>>>> moment we are born that the replacing cells are not quite
>> >>>>>>>>>> the same, as good, as the
>> >>>>>> original.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> As it is, things seem to me to be far too "natural".
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Dawn
>> >>>>>>>>>> Do you know why life appears to go on? Because it does.
>> >>>>>>>>>> Now, if the atheist theory of stupidity were true
>> >>>>>>>>>> according to the natural view (truth), we wouldn't even
>> >>>>>>>>>> have such a thought.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> When are you ever going to mature enough to postulate
>> >>>>>>>>>> there may be more to life than what your natural
>> >>>>>>>>>> perception is telling you?
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Do you really think that a new born life and all the
>> >>>>>>>>>> personality in that new life is just natural? Then how do
>> >>>>>>>>>> you get that one-of personality from impersonal matter and
>> >>>>>>>>>> energy elements and into the nature of billions with
>> >>>>>>>>>> personality.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Physics will never provide an answer to that, proving
>> >>>>>>>>>> there is more
>> >>>>>> to
>> >>>>>>>>>> life than physics (science).
>> >>>>>>>>> so are you saying personality is from some sort of God
>> >>>>>>>>> presence
>> >>>>>> within?
>> >>>>>>>>> if so what about animals? they have personalities too. do
>> >>>>>>>>> they too
>> >>>>>> have
>> >>>>>>>>> some divine presence within?
>> >>>>>>>> Bingo. Genesis went to great length
>> >>>>>>>> to separate animals from people when it
>> >>>>>>>> comes to divinity yet when God was angry
>> >>>>>>>> about "corruption" he drowned the animals
>> >>>>>>>> along with people.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Once again, you have me dancing to your tune, Dawn, but I
>> >>>>>>>>>> am not
>> >>>>>> going
>> >>>>>>>>>> to keep doing that forever.
>> >>>>>>>>> translation: I will not engage in rational debate. i just
>> >>>>>>>>> want to
>> >>>>>>>> spruik
>> >>>>>>>>> my gobbledygook
>> >>>>>>>> This is the equivalant of Robert's
>> >>>>>>>> "This conversation is over" whenever you
>> >>>>>>>> catch him in a contradiction or a claim
>> >>>>>>>> he cannot prove.
>> >>>>>>> I hope that you are able to listen to that 7-hour debate
>> >>>>>>> between Professor Bart Ehrman and Dr. Mike Licona, the latter
>> >>>>>>> who admitted during the debate that a believer is susceptible
>> >>>>>>> to losing their faith unless they are "grounded", a candid
>> >>>>>>> admission that to believe is to be brainwashed.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Dawn
>> >>>>>> All arguments with all Christians
>> >>>>>> eventually boil down to "you just have
>> >>>>>> to have faith".
>> >>>>> ⤽And when Jesus departed thence, two blind men followed him,
>> >>>>> crying, and saying, Thou Son of David, have mercy on us. And
>> >>>>> when he was come into the house, the blind men came to him: and
>> >>>>> Jesus saith unto them, Believe ye that I am able to do this?
>> >>>>> They said unto him, Yea, Lord. Then touched he their eyes,
>> >>>>> saying, According to your faith be it unto you.⤝ (Mat
>> >>>>> 9:27-29, KJV)
>> >>>> Matthew 17:20: "Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as
>> >>>> a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, �?Move from here
>> >>>> to there,�? and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for
>> >>>> you.⤝
>> >>> Mark 11:22-24(KJV)
>> >>>
>> >>> 22And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.
>> >>>
>> >>> 23For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this
>> >>> mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and
>> >>> shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things
>> >>> which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he
>> >>> saith.
>> >>>
>> >>> 24Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye
>> >>> pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.
>> >>>
>> >> Robert,
>> >>
>> >> Faith does not move mountains. Dynamite & bulldozers move
>> >> mountains.
>> >>
>> >> Dawn
>> >>
>> >>
>> > "Science flies you to the moon.
>> > Faith flies you into buildings"
>> >
>> > - recently spotted bumper sticker -
>>
>> yes, it's belief in such nonsense that leads to Waco Texas,
>> Jonestown, and all the rest
>
> No, those were/are false prophets. The were mentioned in the bible.

On 30/04/2024 12:21 am, Maximus wrote:
> Michael Christ wrote:
>> On 29/04/2024 2:30 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>> On 29/04/2024 12:26 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>> On 21/04/2024 10:26 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 21/04/2024 7:37 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 21/04/2024 3:15 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 21/04/2024 12:14 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:662417e6$0$7179$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <XnsB15A87CE5C25Cnoemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.18>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dalmationstation@aol.com says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:v00rh0$3p04n$1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> @dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/20/2024 8:33 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:l8hd7gFrgdaU1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> @mid.individual.net:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/04/2024 3:53 pm, Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/12/2024 8:33 PM, Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maximus in his grandeur with incredible ignorance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm of the opinion that the more a person knows
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the christian faith, the less likely they are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to believe in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Phil seeing the "observed fact," wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's just your narcissism and megalomania
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speaking though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mego Maximus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no observed fact. easy to be christian is you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything your told, and don't question anything
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, that is just your narcissism and megalomania
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speaking, in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the "full of yourself" superficial mindbogglingly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stupid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignorance and arrogance, Moronimus Maximus.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Other than that, it is all good.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With a God, I can imagine a universe that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vastly, vastly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than the one that we are living in now in almost
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> innumerably
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different ways.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Immeasurably.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This universe is already dead, so obviously. It is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appearance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of "living." Death is not just in the grave;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> marching towards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the grave is death. Our cells tell you from the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moment we are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> born that the replacing cells are not quite the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same, as good,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As it is, things seem to me to be far too "natural".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you know why life appears to go on? Because it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does. Now, if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the atheist theory of stupidity were true according
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> natural view (truth), we wouldn't even have such a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When are you ever going to mature enough to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> postulate there may
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be more to life than what your natural perception is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> telling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you really think that a new born life and all the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personality
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in that new life is just natural? Then how do you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one-of personality from impersonal matter and energy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> elements
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and into the nature of billions with personality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Physics will never provide an answer to that,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proving there is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> life than physics (science).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so are you saying personality is from some sort of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> God presence
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> within?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if so what about animals? they have personalities
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too. do they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some divine presence within?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      Bingo. Genesis went to great length
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to separate animals from people when it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comes to divinity yet when God was angry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about "corruption" he drowned the animals
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> along with people.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Once again, you have me dancing to your tune, Dawn,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but I am not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to keep doing that forever.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> translation: I will not engage in rational debate. i
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just want to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spruik
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my gobbledygook
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        This is the equivalant of Robert's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "This conversation is over" whenever you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> catch him in a contradiction or a claim
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he cannot prove.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope that you are able to listen to that 7-hour
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> debate between
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Professor Bart Ehrman and Dr. Mike Licona, the latter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who admitted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> during the debate that a believer is susceptible to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> losing their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> faith unless they are "grounded", a candid admission
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe is to be brainwashed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       All arguments with all Christians
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eventually boil down to "you just have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to have faith".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       Maybe that is why so many have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> come here and left, they cannot prove
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any of their claims.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or maybe they got tired of all the redundant questions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you use for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> answers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      If Christians had facts they wouldn't need faith.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> exactly
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Unless you know everything, it took faith to believe that shit!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> it's true. if it could be proved that Jesus rose from the
>>>>>>>>>>> dead, or angels exist, or all the other stuff, faith is not
>>>>>>>>>>> necessary
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> The point was, Buddy, you saying "exactly" is based on your
>>>>>>>>>> faith.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> faith has nothing to do with it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just forget about it. You're a shallow denying idiot and you
>>>>>>>> will remain one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> no, I'm sensible and rational, and I justify what i say. the
>>>>>>> idiot is you
>>>>
>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>> You talk about reason, but you don't reason; all you do is take a
>>>>>> dump with your opinion, and that is it.
>>>>
>>>> Maximus wrote:
>>>>> prove it!
>>>>
>>>> Nobody needs to prove anything before thee, oh great Maximus the Great.
>>>
>>> a person making a claim needs to prove, or at least justify it in
>>> some way, if they don't want to have their claim dismissed and
>>> themselves considered a fool
>>>
>>>
>>>> You assume too much of your capabilities, Mr. Awesome Know-it-all.
>>>
>>> I support what I say with reason, facts, all knowledge. that is what
>>> I do.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Plus, you are a moron. Here is why...
>>>>
>>>> "You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
>>>> willingness to believe."
>>>
>>> somethings is not unproven simply because someone does not believe
>>> the proof. it's well proven that the earth is round. you may reject
>>> that proof, and believe the earth is flat, but it's still a fact that
>>> it's round.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Now, to demonstrate that you have an opportunity to REASON your dumb
>>>> ass into reality, prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>
>>> see previous comment
>>
>> :-). I knew you'd do a runner! You always do, Mr Reason!
>>
>> Prove to me you are an atheist.
>>
>>
>
> what runner? I answered your question, which is a stupid one anyway.

On 30/04/2024 1:41 am, Skeeter wrote:
> In article <l99omnFhkobU1@mid.individual.net>, gladiator@colosseum.rome
> says...
>>
>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>> On 29/04/2024 2:30 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>> On 29/04/2024 12:26 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>> On 21/04/2024 10:26 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 21/04/2024 7:37 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 21/04/2024 3:15 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 21/04/2024 12:14 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:662417e6$0$7179$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <XnsB15A87CE5C25Cnoemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.18>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dalmationstation@aol.com says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:v00rh0$3p04n$1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> @dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/20/2024 8:33 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:l8hd7gFrgdaU1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> @mid.individual.net:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/04/2024 3:53 pm, Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/12/2024 8:33 PM, Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maximus in his grandeur with incredible ignorance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm of the opinion that the more a person knows
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the christian faith, the less likely they are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to believe in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Phil seeing the "observed fact," wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's just your narcissism and megalomania
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speaking though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mego Maximus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no observed fact. easy to be christian is you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything your told, and don't question anything
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, that is just your narcissism and megalomania
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speaking, in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the "full of yourself" superficial mindbogglingly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stupid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignorance and arrogance, Moronimus Maximus.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Other than that, it is all good.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With a God, I can imagine a universe that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vastly, vastly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than the one that we are living in now in almost
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> innumerably
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different ways.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Immeasurably.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This universe is already dead, so obviously. It is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appearance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of "living." Death is not just in the grave;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> marching towards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the grave is death. Our cells tell you from the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moment we are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> born that the replacing cells are not quite the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same, as good,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As it is, things seem to me to be far too "natural".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you know why life appears to go on? Because it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does. Now, if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the atheist theory of stupidity were true according
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> natural view (truth), we wouldn't even have such a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When are you ever going to mature enough to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> postulate there may
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be more to life than what your natural perception is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> telling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you really think that a new born life and all the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personality
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in that new life is just natural? Then how do you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one-of personality from impersonal matter and energy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> elements
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and into the nature of billions with personality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Physics will never provide an answer to that,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proving there is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> life than physics (science).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so are you saying personality is from some sort of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> God presence
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> within?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if so what about animals? they have personalities
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too. do they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some divine presence within?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      Bingo. Genesis went to great length
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to separate animals from people when it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comes to divinity yet when God was angry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about "corruption" he drowned the animals
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> along with people.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Once again, you have me dancing to your tune, Dawn,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but I am not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to keep doing that forever.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> translation: I will not engage in rational debate. i
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just want to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spruik
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my gobbledygook
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        This is the equivalant of Robert's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "This conversation is over" whenever you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> catch him in a contradiction or a claim
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he cannot prove.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope that you are able to listen to that 7-hour
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> debate between
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Professor Bart Ehrman and Dr. Mike Licona, the latter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who admitted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> during the debate that a believer is susceptible to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> losing their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> faith unless they are "grounded", a candid admission
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe is to be brainwashed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       All arguments with all Christians
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eventually boil down to "you just have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to have faith".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       Maybe that is why so many have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> come here and left, they cannot prove
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any of their claims.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or maybe they got tired of all the redundant questions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you use for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> answers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      If Christians had facts they wouldn't need faith.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exactly
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unless you know everything, it took faith to believe that shit!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> it's true. if it could be proved that Jesus rose from the
>>>>>>>>>>>> dead, or angels exist, or all the other stuff, faith is not
>>>>>>>>>>>> necessary
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> The point was, Buddy, you saying "exactly" is based on your
>>>>>>>>>>> faith.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> faith has nothing to do with it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just forget about it. You're a shallow denying idiot and you
>>>>>>>>> will remain one.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> no, I'm sensible and rational, and I justify what i say. the
>>>>>>>> idiot is you
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>> You talk about reason, but you don't reason; all you do is take a
>>>>>>> dump with your opinion, and that is it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maximus wrote:
>>>>>> prove it!
>>>>>
>>>>> Nobody needs to prove anything before thee, oh great Maximus the Great.
>>>>
>>>> a person making a claim needs to prove, or at least justify it in
>>>> some way, if they don't want to have their claim dismissed and
>>>> themselves considered a fool
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> You assume too much of your capabilities, Mr. Awesome Know-it-all.
>>>>
>>>> I support what I say with reason, facts, all knowledge. that is what
>>>> I do.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Plus, you are a moron. Here is why...
>>>>>
>>>>> "You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
>>>>> willingness to believe."
>>>>
>>>> somethings is not unproven simply because someone does not believe
>>>> the proof. it's well proven that the earth is round. you may reject
>>>> that proof, and believe the earth is flat, but it's still a fact that
>>>> it's round.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, to demonstrate that you have an opportunity to REASON your dumb
>>>>> ass into reality, prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>
>>>> see previous comment
>>>
>>> :-). I knew you'd do a runner! You always do, Mr Reason!
>>>
>>> Prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> what runner? I answered your question, which is a stupid one anyway.
>>
>
> Another Rudy wannabe. Prove you're not an atheist.

On 30/04/2024 3:34 am, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> news:662fc029$0$2422128$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>
>> In article <l98geeFbqulU3@mid.individual.net>,
>> gladiator@colosseum.rome says...
>>>
>>> Little@man.Ball wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 18:19:28 +0000
>>>> Mitchell Holman <dalmationstation@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Science flies you to the moon.
>>>>> Faith flies you into buildings"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The moon landing was hoaxed, so there's that...
>>>>
>>>
>>> wrong. do some research before believing more nonsense than you
>>> already do
>>
>> Were you there?
>
>
> Do you believe the moon landings were faked?

Mitchell, please do not promote fake moon landing conspiracy! Just stick
with your Bigfoot sightings belief!

Michael Christ

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 09:56:16 +1000, Michael Christ
<michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:

<snip>
>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> The point was, Buddy, you saying "exactly" is based on your
>>>>>>>>>>> faith.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> faith has nothing to do with it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just forget about it. You're a shallow denying idiot and you
>>>>>>>>> will remain one.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> no, I'm sensible and rational, and I justify what i say. the
>>>>>>>> idiot is you
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>> You talk about reason, but you don't reason; all you do is take a
>>>>>>> dump with your opinion, and that is it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maximus wrote:
>>>>>> prove it!
>>>>>
>>>>> Nobody needs to prove anything before thee, oh great Maximus the Great.
>>>>
>>>> a person making a claim needs to prove, or at least justify it in
>>>> some way, if they don't want to have their claim dismissed and
>>>> themselves considered a fool
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> You assume too much of your capabilities, Mr. Awesome Know-it-all.
>>>>
>>>> I support what I say with reason, facts, all knowledge. that is what
>>>> I do.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Plus, you are a moron. Here is why...
>>>>>
>>>>> "You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
>>>>> willingness to believe."
>>>>
>>>> somethings is not unproven simply because someone does not believe
>>>> the proof. it's well proven that the earth is round. you may reject
>>>> that proof, and believe the earth is flat, but it's still a fact that
>>>> it's round.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, to demonstrate that you have an opportunity to REASON your dumb
>>>>> ass into reality, prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>
>>>> see previous comment
>>>
>>> :-). I knew you'd do a runner! You always do, Mr Reason!
>>>
>>> Prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> what runner? I answered your question, which is a stupid one anyway.
>
>No you didn't.
>
>A fact in your mind is only a belief and it will only ever be a belief
>regardless of whether it is a fact or not.
>
>Now, prove to me you are an atheist.

What would you accept as proof that anyone is an atheist?
>.................................................

>
>For goodness sake, for once in your life learn something beyond
>superficial and shallow bullshit!
>
>
>
>
>Michael Christ
>
>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, you will remain as you are.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> it's plain logic and common sense. when there is proof truth is
>>>>>>>>>> established. there's no longer any need for faith that ones
>>>>>>>>>> belief is true.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> you can start with the above..
>>>>
>>>> challenge unaccepted duly noted. your credibility, or what passes for
>>>> it, remains in tatters
>>>
>>
>>
>>

On 30/04/2024 11:51 am, Vincent Maycock wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 09:56:16 +1000, Michael Christ
> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> The point was, Buddy, you saying "exactly" is based on your
>>>>>>>>>>>> faith.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> faith has nothing to do with it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Just forget about it. You're a shallow denying idiot and you
>>>>>>>>>> will remain one.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> no, I'm sensible and rational, and I justify what i say. the
>>>>>>>>> idiot is you
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>> You talk about reason, but you don't reason; all you do is take a
>>>>>>>> dump with your opinion, and that is it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>> prove it!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nobody needs to prove anything before thee, oh great Maximus the Great.
>>>>>
>>>>> a person making a claim needs to prove, or at least justify it in
>>>>> some way, if they don't want to have their claim dismissed and
>>>>> themselves considered a fool
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> You assume too much of your capabilities, Mr. Awesome Know-it-all.
>>>>>
>>>>> I support what I say with reason, facts, all knowledge. that is what
>>>>> I do.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Plus, you are a moron. Here is why...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
>>>>>> willingness to believe."
>>>>>
>>>>> somethings is not unproven simply because someone does not believe
>>>>> the proof. it's well proven that the earth is round. you may reject
>>>>> that proof, and believe the earth is flat, but it's still a fact that
>>>>> it's round.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now, to demonstrate that you have an opportunity to REASON your dumb
>>>>>> ass into reality, prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>>
>>>>> see previous comment
>>>>
>>>> :-). I knew you'd do a runner! You always do, Mr Reason!
>>>>
>>>> Prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> what runner? I answered your question, which is a stupid one anyway.
>>
>> No you didn't.
>>
>> A fact in your mind is only a belief and it will only ever be a belief
>> regardless of whether it is a fact or not.
>>
>> Now, prove to me you are an atheist.
>
> What would you accept as proof that anyone is an atheist?

Easy: make me believe you.

Please understand, it is incumbent on you to prove to me you are an
atheist before I can believe.

Michael Christ

>> .................................................
>
>>
>> For goodness sake, for once in your life learn something beyond
>> superficial and shallow bullshit!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Michael Christ
>>
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, you will remain as you are.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> it's plain logic and common sense. when there is proof truth is
>>>>>>>>>>> established. there's no longer any need for faith that ones
>>>>>>>>>>> belief is true.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> you can start with the above..
>>>>>
>>>>> challenge unaccepted duly noted. your credibility, or what passes for
>>>>> it, remains in tatters
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

On 4/29/24 1:56 AM, Maximus wrote:
> Little@man.Ball wrote:
>> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 09:30:09 +1000
>> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote:
>>
>>> if you believe Noah's Ark really happened or is even possible
>> If not, you're in denial:
>>
>> https://arkencounter.com/
>>
>> Ark Encounter features a full-size Noah’s Ark, built according to the
>> dimensions given in the Bible. Spanning 510 feet long, 85 feet wide,
>> and 51 feet high, this modern engineering marvel amazes visitors young
>> and old.
>>
>
> anyone who believes the Ark story is too brain dead to have a sensible
> rational discussion with

That *is* a serious stretch these days fer sure.
But "faith" obliterates all evidence and reason ...

There WERE big floods way back - but only in SOME
locales. When those mile-high ice sheets from the
ice age melted HUGE amounts of water would have
puddled in elevated mega-lakes and behind ice dams.

At some point the dams pop, and an insane amount
of water pours down into river valleys (where most
people lived at the time). To the locals it might
have SEEMED like a world flood - deep water to the
horizon.

Now go ELSEWHERE - Africa, Australia, S.America ...
anywhere there were never ice sheets ... no floods.
Life went on as usual. Sea levels slowly rose, but
it was kinda leisurely.

And the GENETIC angles of "two of each" ... first
you'd need Dr.Who tech to pile in even two of EVERY
land species (oh wait, it was 'magic'). Second you
can't re-pop species from just TWO individuals
because of the inbreeding problem. After a few gens
they'd all be rotten (oh wait, it was 'magic').
Finally, DNA archeology reveals there were NO serious
genetic bottlenecks after the ice age (oh wait, it
was 'magic').

Michael Christ wrote:
> On 30/04/2024 11:51 am, Vincent Maycock wrote:
>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 09:56:16 +1000, Michael Christ
>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The point was, Buddy, you saying "exactly" is based on your
>>>>>>>>>>>>> faith.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> faith has nothing to do with it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Just forget about it. You're a shallow denying idiot and you
>>>>>>>>>>> will remain one.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> no, I'm sensible and rational, and I justify what i say. the
>>>>>>>>>> idiot is you
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>> You talk about reason, but you don't reason; all you do is take a
>>>>>>>>> dump with your opinion, and that is it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>> prove it!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nobody needs to prove anything before thee, oh great Maximus the
>>>>>>> Great.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> a person making a claim needs to prove, or at least justify it in
>>>>>> some way, if they don't want to have their claim dismissed and
>>>>>> themselves considered a fool
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You assume too much of your capabilities, Mr. Awesome Know-it-all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I support what I say with reason, facts, all knowledge. that is what
>>>>>> I do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Plus, you are a moron. Here is why...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
>>>>>>> willingness to believe."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> somethings is not unproven simply because someone does not believe
>>>>>> the proof. it's well proven that the earth is round. you may reject
>>>>>> that proof, and believe the earth is flat, but it's still a fact
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> it's round.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now, to demonstrate that you have an opportunity to REASON your
>>>>>>> dumb
>>>>>>> ass into reality, prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> see previous comment
>>>>>
>>>>> :-). I knew you'd do a runner! You always do, Mr Reason!
>>>>>
>>>>> Prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> what runner? I answered your question, which is a stupid one anyway.
>>>
>>> No you didn't.
>>>
>>> A fact in your mind is only a belief and it will only ever be a belief
>>> regardless of whether it is a fact or not.
>>>
>>> Now, prove to me you are an atheist.
>>
>> What would you accept as proof that anyone is an atheist?
>
> Easy: make me believe you.
>
> Please understand, it is incumbent on you to prove to me you are an
> atheist before I can believe.
>
>

you can believe regardless. proof is not necessary or required for
belief. one can believe anything without proof.

>
>
>
> Michael Christ
>
>
>>> .................................................
>>
>>>
>>> For goodness sake, for once in your life learn something beyond
>>> superficial and shallow bullshit!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Michael Christ
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So, you will remain as you are.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> it's plain logic and common sense. when there is proof
>>>>>>>>>>>> truth is
>>>>>>>>>>>> established. there's no longer any need for faith that ones
>>>>>>>>>>>> belief is true.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> you can start with the above..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> challenge unaccepted duly noted. your credibility, or what passes
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> it, remains in tatters
>>>>>

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 12:12:05 +1000, Michael Christ
<michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:

>On 30/04/2024 11:51 am, Vincent Maycock wrote:
>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 09:56:16 +1000, Michael Christ
>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The point was, Buddy, you saying "exactly" is based on your
>>>>>>>>>>>>> faith.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> faith has nothing to do with it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Just forget about it. You're a shallow denying idiot and you
>>>>>>>>>>> will remain one.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> no, I'm sensible and rational, and I justify what i say. the
>>>>>>>>>> idiot is you
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>> You talk about reason, but you don't reason; all you do is take a
>>>>>>>>> dump with your opinion, and that is it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>> prove it!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nobody needs to prove anything before thee, oh great Maximus the Great.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> a person making a claim needs to prove, or at least justify it in
>>>>>> some way, if they don't want to have their claim dismissed and
>>>>>> themselves considered a fool
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You assume too much of your capabilities, Mr. Awesome Know-it-all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I support what I say with reason, facts, all knowledge. that is what
>>>>>> I do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Plus, you are a moron. Here is why...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
>>>>>>> willingness to believe."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> somethings is not unproven simply because someone does not believe
>>>>>> the proof. it's well proven that the earth is round. you may reject
>>>>>> that proof, and believe the earth is flat, but it's still a fact that
>>>>>> it's round.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now, to demonstrate that you have an opportunity to REASON your dumb
>>>>>>> ass into reality, prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> see previous comment
>>>>>
>>>>> :-). I knew you'd do a runner! You always do, Mr Reason!
>>>>>
>>>>> Prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> what runner? I answered your question, which is a stupid one anyway.
>>>
>>> No you didn't.
>>>
>>> A fact in your mind is only a belief and it will only ever be a belief
>>> regardless of whether it is a fact or not.
>>>
>>> Now, prove to me you are an atheist.
>>
>> What would you accept as proof that anyone is an atheist?
>
>Easy: make me believe you.

Okay. What would make you believe that anyone is an atheist? What
would it take?

>Please understand, it is incumbent on you to prove to me you are an
>atheist before I can believe.

Vincent Maycock wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 09:56:16 +1000, Michael Christ
> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> The point was, Buddy, you saying "exactly" is based on your
>>>>>>>>>>>> faith.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> faith has nothing to do with it.
>>>>>>>>>> Just forget about it. You're a shallow denying idiot and you
>>>>>>>>>> will remain one.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> no, I'm sensible and rational, and I justify what i say. the
>>>>>>>>> idiot is you
>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>> You talk about reason, but you don't reason; all you do is take a
>>>>>>>> dump with your opinion, and that is it.
>>>>>> Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>> prove it!
>>>>>> Nobody needs to prove anything before thee, oh great Maximus the Great.
>>>>> a person making a claim needs to prove, or at least justify it in
>>>>> some way, if they don't want to have their claim dismissed and
>>>>> themselves considered a fool
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> You assume too much of your capabilities, Mr. Awesome Know-it-all.
>>>>> I support what I say with reason, facts, all knowledge. that is what
>>>>> I do.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Plus, you are a moron. Here is why...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
>>>>>> willingness to believe."
>>>>> somethings is not unproven simply because someone does not believe
>>>>> the proof. it's well proven that the earth is round. you may reject
>>>>> that proof, and believe the earth is flat, but it's still a fact that
>>>>> it's round.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Now, to demonstrate that you have an opportunity to REASON your dumb
>>>>>> ass into reality, prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>> see previous comment
>>>> :-). I knew you'd do a runner! You always do, Mr Reason!
>>>>
>>>> Prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> what runner? I answered your question, which is a stupid one anyway.
>> No you didn't.
>>
>> A fact in your mind is only a belief and it will only ever be a belief
>> regardless of whether it is a fact or not.
>>
>> Now, prove to me you are an atheist.
> What would you accept as proof that anyone is an atheist?

best to ignore him. he's nuttier than a fruitcake, and dishonest like
most theists are

>> .................................................
>> For goodness sake, for once in your life learn something beyond
>> superficial and shallow bullshit!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Michael Christ
>>
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, you will remain as you are.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> it's plain logic and common sense. when there is proof truth is
>>>>>>>>>>> established. there's no longer any need for faith that ones
>>>>>>>>>>> belief is true.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> you can start with the above..
>>>>> challenge unaccepted duly noted. your credibility, or what passes for
>>>>> it, remains in tatters
>>>
>>>

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

On 30/04/2024 1:24 pm, Vincent Maycock wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 12:12:05 +1000, Michael Christ
> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>
>> On 30/04/2024 11:51 am, Vincent Maycock wrote:
>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 09:56:16 +1000, Michael Christ
>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The point was, Buddy, you saying "exactly" is based on your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> faith.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> faith has nothing to do with it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Just forget about it. You're a shallow denying idiot and you
>>>>>>>>>>>> will remain one.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> no, I'm sensible and rational, and I justify what i say. the
>>>>>>>>>>> idiot is you
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> You talk about reason, but you don't reason; all you do is take a
>>>>>>>>>> dump with your opinion, and that is it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>>> prove it!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nobody needs to prove anything before thee, oh great Maximus the Great.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> a person making a claim needs to prove, or at least justify it in
>>>>>>> some way, if they don't want to have their claim dismissed and
>>>>>>> themselves considered a fool
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You assume too much of your capabilities, Mr. Awesome Know-it-all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I support what I say with reason, facts, all knowledge. that is what
>>>>>>> I do.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Plus, you are a moron. Here is why...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
>>>>>>>> willingness to believe."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> somethings is not unproven simply because someone does not believe
>>>>>>> the proof. it's well proven that the earth is round. you may reject
>>>>>>> that proof, and believe the earth is flat, but it's still a fact that
>>>>>>> it's round.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now, to demonstrate that you have an opportunity to REASON your dumb
>>>>>>>> ass into reality, prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> see previous comment
>>>>>>
>>>>>> :-). I knew you'd do a runner! You always do, Mr Reason!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> what runner? I answered your question, which is a stupid one anyway.
>>>>
>>>> No you didn't.
>>>>
>>>> A fact in your mind is only a belief and it will only ever be a belief
>>>> regardless of whether it is a fact or not.
>>>>
>>>> Now, prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>
>>> What would you accept as proof that anyone is an atheist?
>>
>> Easy: make me believe you.
>
> Okay. What would make you believe that anyone is an atheist?
> What would it take?

Prove to me you are an atheist any way you like.

In the meantime try and fathom this fact which seems to escape every
atheist so far:

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

Michael Christ

>
>> Please understand, it is incumbent on you to prove to me you are an
>> atheist before I can believe.
>
>

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

On 30/04/2024 1:33 pm, Maximus wrote:
> Michael Christ wrote:
>> On 30/04/2024 11:51 am, Vincent Maycock wrote:
>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 09:56:16 +1000, Michael Christ
>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The point was, Buddy, you saying "exactly" is based on your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> faith.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> faith has nothing to do with it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Just forget about it. You're a shallow denying idiot and you
>>>>>>>>>>>> will remain one.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> no, I'm sensible and rational, and I justify what i say. the
>>>>>>>>>>> idiot is you
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> You talk about reason, but you don't reason; all you do is take a
>>>>>>>>>> dump with your opinion, and that is it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>>> prove it!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nobody needs to prove anything before thee, oh great Maximus the
>>>>>>>> Great.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> a person making a claim needs to prove, or at least justify it in
>>>>>>> some way, if they don't want to have their claim dismissed and
>>>>>>> themselves considered a fool
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You assume too much of your capabilities, Mr. Awesome Know-it-all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I support what I say with reason, facts, all knowledge. that is what
>>>>>>> I do.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Plus, you are a moron. Here is why...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
>>>>>>>> willingness to believe."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> somethings is not unproven simply because someone does not believe
>>>>>>> the proof. it's well proven that the earth is round. you may reject
>>>>>>> that proof, and believe the earth is flat, but it's still a fact
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> it's round.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now, to demonstrate that you have an opportunity to REASON your
>>>>>>>> dumb
>>>>>>>> ass into reality, prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> see previous comment
>>>>>>
>>>>>> :-). I knew you'd do a runner! You always do, Mr Reason!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> what runner? I answered your question, which is a stupid one anyway.
>>>>
>>>> No you didn't.
>>>>
>>>> A fact in your mind is only a belief and it will only ever be a belief
>>>> regardless of whether it is a fact or not.
>>>>
>>>> Now, prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>
>>> What would you accept as proof that anyone is an atheist?
>>
>> Easy: make me believe you.
>>
>> Please understand, it is incumbent on you to prove to me you are an
>> atheist before I can believe.
>>
>>
>
> you can believe regardless. proof is not necessary or required for
> belief. one can believe anything without proof.

So, you can't prove to me you are an atheist.

Why do you suppose that is?

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

Now prove to me that everything, anything, is NOT a belief first and
foremost.

This may...may...help: before you even think about landing on the moon,
you have to believe there is one. Whether there really is one or not is
only secondary to that.

And further to that, when you demand proof, you are making yourself the
proof; think about that now.

If you say that is stupid you are being stoopid and you need
to...think...before opening your mouth.

Michael Christ

>
>
>>
>>
>>
>> Michael Christ
>>
>>
>>>> .................................................
>>>
>>>>
>>>> For goodness sake, for once in your life learn something beyond
>>>> superficial and shallow bullshit!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Michael Christ
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So, you will remain as you are.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's plain logic and common sense. when there is proof
>>>>>>>>>>>>> truth is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> established. there's no longer any need for faith that ones
>>>>>>>>>>>>> belief is true.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> you can start with the above..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> challenge unaccepted duly noted. your credibility, or what passes
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> it, remains in tatters
>>>>>>
>
>
>

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

On 30/04/2024 1:35 pm, Maximus wrote:
> Vincent Maycock wrote:
>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 09:56:16 +1000, Michael Christ
>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The point was, Buddy, you saying "exactly" is based on your
>>>>>>>>>>>>> faith.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> faith has nothing to do with it.
>>>>>>>>>>> Just forget about it. You're a shallow denying idiot and you
>>>>>>>>>>> will remain one.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> no, I'm sensible and rational, and I justify what i say. the
>>>>>>>>>> idiot is you
>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>> You talk about reason, but you don't reason; all you do is take a
>>>>>>>>> dump with your opinion, and that is it.
>>>>>>> Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>> prove it!
>>>>>>> Nobody needs to prove anything before thee, oh great Maximus the
>>>>>>> Great.
>>>>>> a person making a claim needs to prove, or at least justify it in
>>>>>> some way, if they don't want to have their claim dismissed and
>>>>>> themselves considered a fool
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You assume too much of your capabilities, Mr. Awesome Know-it-all.
>>>>>> I support what I say with reason, facts, all knowledge. that is what
>>>>>> I do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Plus, you are a moron. Here is why...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
>>>>>>> willingness to believe."
>>>>>> somethings is not unproven simply because someone does not believe
>>>>>> the proof. it's well proven that the earth is round. you may reject
>>>>>> that proof, and believe the earth is flat, but it's still a fact that
>>>>>> it's round.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now, to demonstrate that you have an opportunity to REASON your dumb
>>>>>>> ass into reality, prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>>> see previous comment
>>>>> :-). I knew you'd do a runner! You always do, Mr Reason!
>>>>>
>>>>> Prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> what runner? I answered your question, which is a stupid one anyway.
>>> No you didn't.
>>>
>>> A fact in your mind is only a belief and it will only ever be a belief
>>> regardless of whether it is a fact or not.
>>>
>>> Now, prove to me you are an atheist.
>> What would you accept as proof that anyone is an atheist?
>
>
> best to ignore him. he's nuttier than a fruitcake, and dishonest like
> most theists are

That bullshit sweeping statement is your usual mantra of ineptitude and
pattern of running away and trying to hide in ignorance.

Michael Christ

>
>>> .................................................
>>> For goodness sake, for once in your life learn something beyond
>>> superficial and shallow bullshit!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Michael Christ
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So, you will remain as you are.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> it's plain logic and common sense. when there is proof truth is
>>>>>>>>>>>> established. there's no longer any need for faith that ones
>>>>>>>>>>>> belief is true.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> you can start with the above..
>>>>>> challenge unaccepted duly noted. your credibility, or what passes for
>>>>>> it, remains in tatters
>>>>
>>>>
>
>

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 13:58:17 +1000, Michael Christ
<michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:

>On 30/04/2024 1:24 pm, Vincent Maycock wrote:
>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 12:12:05 +1000, Michael Christ
>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 30/04/2024 11:51 am, Vincent Maycock wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 09:56:16 +1000, Michael Christ
>>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The point was, Buddy, you saying "exactly" is based on your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> faith.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> faith has nothing to do with it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just forget about it. You're a shallow denying idiot and you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> will remain one.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> no, I'm sensible and rational, and I justify what i say. the
>>>>>>>>>>>> idiot is you
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> You talk about reason, but you don't reason; all you do is take a
>>>>>>>>>>> dump with your opinion, and that is it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> prove it!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nobody needs to prove anything before thee, oh great Maximus the Great.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> a person making a claim needs to prove, or at least justify it in
>>>>>>>> some way, if they don't want to have their claim dismissed and
>>>>>>>> themselves considered a fool
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You assume too much of your capabilities, Mr. Awesome Know-it-all.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I support what I say with reason, facts, all knowledge. that is what
>>>>>>>> I do.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Plus, you are a moron. Here is why...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
>>>>>>>>> willingness to believe."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> somethings is not unproven simply because someone does not believe
>>>>>>>> the proof. it's well proven that the earth is round. you may reject
>>>>>>>> that proof, and believe the earth is flat, but it's still a fact that
>>>>>>>> it's round.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Now, to demonstrate that you have an opportunity to REASON your dumb
>>>>>>>>> ass into reality, prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> see previous comment
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> :-). I knew you'd do a runner! You always do, Mr Reason!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> what runner? I answered your question, which is a stupid one anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>> No you didn't.
>>>>>
>>>>> A fact in your mind is only a belief and it will only ever be a belief
>>>>> regardless of whether it is a fact or not.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>
>>>> What would you accept as proof that anyone is an atheist?
>>>
>>> Easy: make me believe you.
>>
>> Okay. What would make you believe that anyone is an atheist?
>> What would it take?
>
>Prove to me you are an atheist any way you like.

LOL!

>In the meantime try and fathom this fact which seems to escape every
>atheist so far:
>
>"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
>willingness to believe."

What about unbiased and objective people? What "willingness to
believe" do those people have?

On Apr 29, 2024, Vincent Maycock wrote
(in article<iqr03j5nnl63aop2tmknoo370634gh2fpm@4ax.com>):

> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 13:58:17 +1000, Michael Christ
> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>
> > On 30/04/2024 1:24 pm, Vincent Maycock wrote:
> > > On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 12:12:05 +1000, Michael Christ
> > > <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 30/04/2024 11:51 am, Vincent Maycock wrote:
> > > > > On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 09:56:16 +1000, Michael Christ
> > > > > <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > <snip>
> > > > > > > > > > > > Michael Christ wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The point was, Buddy, you saying "exactly" is based on your
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > faith.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > faith has nothing to do with it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just forget about it. You're a shallow denying idiot and you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > will remain one.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > no, I'm sensible and rational, and I justify what i say. the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > idiot is you
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Michael Christ wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > You talk about reason, but you don't reason; all you do is take a
> > > > > > > > > > > > dump with your opinion, and that is it.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Maximus wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > prove it!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Nobody needs to prove anything before thee, oh great Maximus the
> > > > > > > > > > Great.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > a person making a claim needs to prove, or at least justify it in
> > > > > > > > > some way, if they don't want to have their claim dismissed and
> > > > > > > > > themselves considered a fool
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > You assume too much of your capabilities, Mr. Awesome Know-it-all.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I support what I say with reason, facts, all knowledge. that is what
> > > > > > > > > I do.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Plus, you are a moron. Here is why...
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
> > > > > > > > > > willingness to believe."
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > somethings is not unproven simply because someone does not believe
> > > > > > > > > the proof. it's well proven that the earth is round. you may reject
> > > > > > > > > that proof, and believe the earth is flat, but it's still a fact that
> > > > > > > > > it's round.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Now, to demonstrate that you have an opportunity to REASON your dumb
> > > > > > > > > > ass into reality, prove to me you are an atheist.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > see previous comment
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > -). I knew you'd do a runner! You always do, Mr Reason!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Prove to me you are an atheist.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > what runner? I answered your question, which is a stupid one anyway.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No you didn't.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A fact in your mind is only a belief and it will only ever be a belief
> > > > > > regardless of whether it is a fact or not.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now, prove to me you are an atheist.
> > > > >
> > > > > What would you accept as proof that anyone is an atheist?
> > > >
> > > > Easy: make me believe you.
> > >
> > > Okay. What would make you believe that anyone is an atheist?
> > > What would it take?
> >
> > Prove to me you are an atheist any way you like.
>
> LOL!
>
> > In the meantime try and fathom this fact which seems to escape every
> > atheist so far:
> >
> > "You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
> > willingness to believe."
>
> What about unbiased and objective people? What "willingness to
> believe" do those people have?

Do you prefer a Jag over a Chevy, or a RR over a Maserati? If money were no
object would you make the same choice for a vehicle?
In practice are you unbiased and objective? Or anyone?

The song goes, if you wanna be happy for the rest of your life, make an ugly
woman your wife. Tell me that there is a truly unbiased and objective person.

Do you see the futility of this thread?

Michael Christ wrote:
> On 30/04/2024 1:24 pm, Vincent Maycock wrote:
>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 12:12:05 +1000, Michael Christ
>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 30/04/2024 11:51 am, Vincent Maycock wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 09:56:16 +1000, Michael Christ
>>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The point was, Buddy, you saying "exactly" is based on your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> faith.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> faith has nothing to do with it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just forget about it. You're a shallow denying idiot and you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> will remain one.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> no, I'm sensible and rational, and I justify what i say. the
>>>>>>>>>>>> idiot is you
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> You talk about reason, but you don't reason; all you do is
>>>>>>>>>>> take a
>>>>>>>>>>> dump with your opinion, and that is it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> prove it!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nobody needs to prove anything before thee, oh great Maximus
>>>>>>>>> the Great.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> a person making a claim needs to prove, or at least justify it in
>>>>>>>> some way, if they don't want to have their claim dismissed and
>>>>>>>> themselves considered a fool
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You assume too much of your capabilities, Mr. Awesome
>>>>>>>>> Know-it-all.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I support what I say with reason, facts, all knowledge. that is
>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>> I do.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Plus, you are a moron. Here is why...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "You can't prove anything because everything depends on a
>>>>>>>>> person's
>>>>>>>>> willingness to believe."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> somethings is not unproven simply because someone does not believe
>>>>>>>> the proof. it's well proven that the earth is round. you may
>>>>>>>> reject
>>>>>>>> that proof, and believe the earth is flat, but it's still a
>>>>>>>> fact that
>>>>>>>> it's round.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Now, to demonstrate that you have an opportunity to REASON
>>>>>>>>> your dumb
>>>>>>>>> ass into reality, prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> see previous comment
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> :-). I knew you'd do a runner! You always do, Mr Reason!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> what runner? I answered your question, which is a stupid one anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>> No you didn't.
>>>>>
>>>>> A fact in your mind is only a belief and it will only ever be a
>>>>> belief
>>>>> regardless of whether it is a fact or not.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>
>>>> What would you accept as proof that anyone is an atheist?
>>>
>>> Easy: make me believe you.
>>
>> Okay.  What would make you believe that anyone is an atheist? What
>> would it take?
>
> Prove to me you are an atheist any way you like.
>
> In the meantime try and fathom this fact which seems to escape every
> atheist so far:
>
> "You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
> willingness to believe."
>
>

that's nonsense. when something is proven eg. the earth is not flat, it
becomes fact. it's a proven fact, regardless of who does or doesn't
believe it.

>
>
>
>
> Michael Christ
>
>

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

Michael Christ wrote:
> On 30/04/2024 1:33 pm, Maximus wrote:
>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>> On 30/04/2024 11:51 am, Vincent Maycock wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 09:56:16 +1000, Michael Christ
>>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The point was, Buddy, you saying "exactly" is based on your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> faith.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> faith has nothing to do with it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just forget about it. You're a shallow denying idiot and you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> will remain one.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> no, I'm sensible and rational, and I justify what i say. the
>>>>>>>>>>>> idiot is you
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> You talk about reason, but you don't reason; all you do is
>>>>>>>>>>> take a
>>>>>>>>>>> dump with your opinion, and that is it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> prove it!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nobody needs to prove anything before thee, oh great Maximus
>>>>>>>>> the Great.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> a person making a claim needs to prove, or at least justify it in
>>>>>>>> some way, if they don't want to have their claim dismissed and
>>>>>>>> themselves considered a fool
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You assume too much of your capabilities, Mr. Awesome
>>>>>>>>> Know-it-all.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I support what I say with reason, facts, all knowledge. that is
>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>> I do.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Plus, you are a moron. Here is why...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "You can't prove anything because everything depends on a
>>>>>>>>> person's
>>>>>>>>> willingness to believe."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> somethings is not unproven simply because someone does not believe
>>>>>>>> the proof. it's well proven that the earth is round. you may
>>>>>>>> reject
>>>>>>>> that proof, and believe the earth is flat, but it's still a
>>>>>>>> fact that
>>>>>>>> it's round.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Now, to demonstrate that you have an opportunity to REASON
>>>>>>>>> your dumb
>>>>>>>>> ass into reality, prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> see previous comment
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> :-). I knew you'd do a runner! You always do, Mr Reason!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> what runner? I answered your question, which is a stupid one anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>> No you didn't.
>>>>>
>>>>> A fact in your mind is only a belief and it will only ever be a
>>>>> belief
>>>>> regardless of whether it is a fact or not.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>
>>>> What would you accept as proof that anyone is an atheist?
>>>
>>> Easy: make me believe you.
>>>
>>> Please understand, it is incumbent on you to prove to me you are an
>>> atheist before I can believe.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> you can believe regardless. proof is not necessary or required for
>> belief. one can believe anything without proof.
>
> So, you can't prove to me you are an atheist.
>
> Why do you suppose that is?

simply because there's no way to prove it. I can testify to it, then
it's up to you or anyone to believe or not.

>
> "You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
> willingness to believe."

nonsense. I've already answered this

>
> Now prove to me that everything, anything, is NOT a belief first and
> foremost.
>
> This may...may...help: before you even think about landing on the
> moon, you have to believe there is one.

it's observable. no belief is necessary. belief is only necessary when
there's uncertainty.

> Whether there really is one or not is only secondary to that.
>
> And further to that, when you demand proof, you are making yourself
> the proof; think about that now.
>
> If you say that is stupid you are being stoopid and you need
> to...think...before opening your mouth.
>
>
>
>
>
> Michael Christ
>
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Michael Christ
>>>
>>>
>>>>> .................................................
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> For goodness sake, for once in your life learn something beyond
>>>>> superficial and shallow bullshit!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael Christ
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So, you will remain as you are.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's plain logic and common sense. when there is proof
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> truth is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> established. there's no longer any need for faith that ones
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> belief is true.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> you can start with the above..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> challenge unaccepted duly noted. your credibility, or what
>>>>>>>> passes for
>>>>>>>> it, remains in tatters
>>>>>>>

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

Michael Christ wrote:
> On 30/04/2024 1:35 pm, Maximus wrote:
>> Vincent Maycock wrote:
>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 09:56:16 +1000, Michael Christ
>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The point was, Buddy, you saying "exactly" is based on your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> faith.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> faith has nothing to do with it.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Just forget about it. You're a shallow denying idiot and you
>>>>>>>>>>>> will remain one.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> no, I'm sensible and rational, and I justify what i say. the
>>>>>>>>>>> idiot is you
>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> You talk about reason, but you don't reason; all you do is
>>>>>>>>>> take a
>>>>>>>>>> dump with your opinion, and that is it.
>>>>>>>> Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>>> prove it!
>>>>>>>> Nobody needs to prove anything before thee, oh great Maximus
>>>>>>>> the Great.
>>>>>>> a person making a claim needs to prove, or at least justify it in
>>>>>>> some way, if they don't want to have their claim dismissed and
>>>>>>> themselves considered a fool
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You assume too much of your capabilities, Mr. Awesome Know-it-all.
>>>>>>> I support what I say with reason, facts, all knowledge. that is
>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>> I do.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Plus, you are a moron. Here is why...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
>>>>>>>> willingness to believe."
>>>>>>> somethings is not unproven simply because someone does not believe
>>>>>>> the proof. it's well proven that the earth is round. you may reject
>>>>>>> that proof, and believe the earth is flat, but it's still a fact
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> it's round.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now, to demonstrate that you have an opportunity to REASON your
>>>>>>>> dumb
>>>>>>>> ass into reality, prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>>>> see previous comment
>>>>>> :-). I knew you'd do a runner! You always do, Mr Reason!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> what runner? I answered your question, which is a stupid one anyway.
>>>> No you didn't.
>>>>
>>>> A fact in your mind is only a belief and it will only ever be a belief
>>>> regardless of whether it is a fact or not.
>>>>
>>>> Now, prove to me you are an atheist.
>>> What would you accept as proof that anyone is an atheist?
>>
>>
>> best to ignore him. he's nuttier than a fruitcake, and dishonest like
>> most theists are
>
> That bullshit sweeping statement is your usual mantra of ineptitude
> and pattern of running away and trying to hide in ignorance.

liar. I address any legitimate argument against what I say. you're the
one who runs. my recent challenge to you is right here below in this thread.

>
>
>
>
>
> Michael Christ
>
>>
>>>> .................................................
>>>> For goodness sake, for once in your life learn something beyond
>>>> superficial and shallow bullshit!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Michael Christ
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So, you will remain as you are.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's plain logic and common sense. when there is proof
>>>>>>>>>>>>> truth is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> established. there's no longer any need for faith that ones
>>>>>>>>>>>>> belief is true.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> you can start with the above..
>>>>>>> challenge unaccepted duly noted. your credibility, or what
>>>>>>> passes for
>>>>>>> it, remains in tatters
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>>
>

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

On Mon, 29 Apr 2024 22:56:27 -0700, Robert <robert@no.way> wrote:

>On Apr 29, 2024, Vincent Maycock wrote
>(in article<iqr03j5nnl63aop2tmknoo370634gh2fpm@4ax.com>):
>
>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 13:58:17 +1000, Michael Christ
>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On 30/04/2024 1:24 pm, Vincent Maycock wrote:
>> > > On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 12:12:05 +1000, Michael Christ
>> > > <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > On 30/04/2024 11:51 am, Vincent Maycock wrote:
>> > > > > On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 09:56:16 +1000, Michael Christ
<snip>
>> > > > > > A fact in your mind is only a belief and it will only ever be a belief
>> > > > > > regardless of whether it is a fact or not.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Now, prove to me you are an atheist.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > What would you accept as proof that anyone is an atheist?
>> > > >
>> > > > Easy: make me believe you.
>> > >
>> > > Okay. What would make you believe that anyone is an atheist?
>> > > What would it take?
>> >
>> > Prove to me you are an atheist any way you like.
>>
>> LOL!
>>
>> > In the meantime try and fathom this fact which seems to escape every
>> > atheist so far:
>> >
>> > "You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
>> > willingness to believe."
>>
>> What about unbiased and objective people? What "willingness to
>> believe" do those people have?
>
>Do you prefer a Jag over a Chevy, or a RR over a Maserati? If money were no
>object would you make the same choice for a vehicle?
>In practice are you unbiased and objective? Or anyone?
>
>The song goes, if you wanna be happy for the rest of your life, make an ugly
>woman your wife. Tell me that there is a truly unbiased and objective person.

Of course there are; that's where judges and juries come from.

>Do you see the futility of this thread?

We're getting there. I'll leave when its futility is undeniable.