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Subject: Re: The most beautiful and devastating tactical concept
From: William Hyde
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Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2022 23:48 UTC
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Subject: Re: The most beautiful and devastating tactical concept
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On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 2:13:56 PM UTC-4, Eli Kesef wrote:
Bs"d

And here I was in a bit of a quandary, but a royal fork saved the situation and ended the game instantly: https://lichess.org/3LtK8GIjq4Jt

Thank God for horse forks!

Note that once again your h6 is a terrible move.  In fact you are losing after that.

William Hyde



Subject: Re: The most beautiful and devastating tactical concept
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Subject: Re: The most beautiful and devastating tactical concept
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On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 1:48:20 AM UTC+2, William Hyde wrote:
On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 2:13:56 PM UTC-4, Eli Kesef wrote:
Bs"d

And here I was in a bit of a quandary, but a royal fork saved the situation and ended the game instantly: https://lichess.org/3LtK8GIjq4Jt

Thank God for horse forks!
Note that once again your h6 is a terrible move. In fact you are losing after that.

Bs"d

Objectively, you are right.  I looked at that with Stockfish, and before h6 he says that white is +1.0
After h6 he says white is +2.3   So yeah, it is bad.   But this is one of those cases that I have no idea why it is bad, and that even if I where to play the better move, I have no idea how to take advantage of it.  And I really hate having a bishop coming to h5, pinning my horse, so I just keep on playing it.
It might be very bad on world champion level, on my level it is a necessity..

https://tinyurl.com/chess-plan


Subject: Re: The most beautiful and devastating tactical concept
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Subject: Re: The most beautiful and devastating tactical concept
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On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 1:48:20 AM UTC+2, William Hyde wrote:
On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 2:13:56 PM UTC-4, Eli Kesef wrote:
Bs"d

And here I was in a bit of a quandary, but a royal fork saved the situation and ended the game instantly: https://lichess.org/3LtK8GIjq4Jt

Thank God for horse forks!
Note that once again your h6 is a terrible move. In fact you are losing after that.

Bs"d

Objectively, you are right. I looked at that with Stockfish, and before h6 he says that white is +1.0
After h6 he says white is +2.3 So yeah, it is bad. But this is one of those cases that I have no idea why it is bad, and that even if I where to play the better move, I have no idea how to take advantage of it. And I really hate having a bishop coming to g5, pinning my horse, so I just keep on playing it.
It might be very bad on world champion level, on my level it is a necessity..

https://tinyurl.com/chess-plan


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Subject: Re: The most beautiful and devastating tactical concept
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On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 3:20:44 AM UTC-4, Eli Kesef wrote:
On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 1:48:20 AM UTC+2, William Hyde wrote:
On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 2:13:56 PM UTC-4, Eli Kesef wrote:
Bs"d

And here I was in a bit of a quandary, but a royal fork saved the situation and ended the game instantly: https://lichess.org/3LtK8GIjq4Jt

Thank God for horse forks!
Note that once again your h6 is a terrible move. In fact you are losing after that.
Bs"d

Objectively, you are right. I looked at that with Stockfish, and before h6 he says that white is +1.0
After h6 he says white is +2.3 So yeah, it is bad. But this is one of those cases that I have no idea why it is bad,

Let me enlighten you then.

It is bad because it does not develop a piece, nor does it deprive the opponent of a particularly useful square.

It is bad because it weakens your king side.   This is not a problem if you are attacking, but in the game in question white's bishop pair and decent development gave him an attack, which of course he failed to undertake, making random moves instead.

True, you can beat weak players with weak moves.  But if you want to win a higher percentage of your games against weak players, play fewer weak moves.

and that even if I where to play the better move, I have no idea how to take advantage of it.

Given your tactical skill, I am confident that if you arrive at a position in which you have far more active pieces, something will occur to you

 And I really hate having a bishop coming to g5, pinning my horse, so I just keep on playing it.
It might be very bad on world champion level, on my level it is a necessity.

When you have the better development you can afford to play h6 and g5 after the pin.  In fact the g pawn will help in your attack.   If he had a knight on f3 there might be danger of a g5 sacrifice by white, but he doesn't have that
possibility here.

William Hyde


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Subject: Re: The most beautiful and devastating tactical concept
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Bs"d

And here https://lichess.org/NmeJiuWEeRQJ an 1840 fell victim to a royal fork.  

After one last desperate move with his king the enemy surrendered. 

Life is good with horse forks.

     https://tinyurl.com/paardvork  


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Subject: Re: The most beautiful and devastating tactical concept
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Bs"d

In this Tennison gambit https://lichess.org/XVXfOmOC/white#21 the enemy blundered and gave me a royal fork, forking the enemy king and queen.

With that the game was over.

Horse forks are terrible things.

Beautiful but terrible things.

   https://tinyurl.com/Capa-fork   


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Subject: Re: The most beautiful and devastating tactical concept
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The following games were decided by my horses making royal forks, forking the royal family:

https://lichess.org/JAcPMsspkba8

https://lichess.org/XYXrIlpbqrtv

I love those royal forks!

Well, at least when I'm on the giving end of it....   ;)

https://tinyurl.com/lovetofork


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The following games were decided by my horses making royal forks, forking the royal family:

https://lichess.org/iA7VWHAZ0HGJ

https://lichess.org/XYXrIlpbqrtv

I love those royal forks!

Well, at least when I'm on the giving end of it.... ;)

https://tinyurl.com/lovetofork


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In this game: https://lichess.org/H4NCxHN2Ojxt I tried on move 14 to entice the enemy by giving him an unprotected bishop, after the consumption of which he would fall victim to a royal fork.
Unfortunately the enemy refused the offer.

Fortunately, a handful of moves later, the enemy set himself up for a nasty royal horse fork.

So I typed the dreaded words:  "Nasty horse fork!" and proceeded to make the fork.

The enemy right away surrendered unconditionally. 

Chess is a beautiful sport!

https://tinyurl.com/fun-fork




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In this epic battle https://lichess.org/TpCufLIT8DW3 I got a Tennison gambit on the battlefield. 

Because of the weird move order of the enemy I could not play the now preferred simple trap in which I win the enemy queen for two light pieces.   So I went for the complicated trap of GM Smirnov.  That worked out reasonably well, and on move 15 I could make a Nasty Horse Fork which would have netted me at least an exchange, were it not for the fact that the enemy resigned right after me  making the horse fork.

Despite the fact that I could not actually consume the fork, I still like this game very much. 

My thanks go out to The Almighty, to GM Smirnov, and also to the enemy, without his cooperation I would not have been to do this.

https://tinyurl.com/immort-game      


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In this epic battle https://lichess.org/TpCufLIT8DW3 I got a Tennison gambit on the battlefield.

Because of the weird move order of the enemy I could not play the now preferred simple trap in which I win the enemy queen for two light pieces. So I went for the complicated trap of GM Smirnov. That worked out reasonably well, and on move 15 I could make a Nasty Horse Fork which would have netted me at least an exchange, were it not for the fact that the enemy resigned right after me making the horse fork.

Despite the fact that I could not actually consume the fork, I still like this game very much.

My thanks go out to The Almighty, to GM Smirnov, and also to the enemy, without his cooperation I would not have been able to do this.

https://tinyurl.com/immort-game


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Subject: Re: The most beautiful and devastating tactical concept
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In this game https://lichess.org/tdBawBims84m a low rated but nevertheless irritating opponent was brought in line with a Royal Fork.  
I forked him om move 25, and after the fork the enemy was 13 points behind in material, but still he played on to move 37, where he was going to lose a full castle, which would have set him on minus 18, and only then did he do the right thing and resigned.

    https://tinyurl.com/find-fork


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Subject: Re: The most beautiful and devastating tactical concept
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So what is better than a Horse Fork?  Exactly!  TWO Horse Forks!

In this nice game:  https://lichess.org/jwaELNDUPWJ4 I had two Horse Forks, back to back.

Before the first Fork the enemy was already a piece for two pawns behind in material, and the first Fork relieved him of a full bishop.   He was down to his last minute on the clock, that probably was the reason for him overlooking two forks.
Right after I consumed the first fork he fell victim to the second fork, forking his king and two rooks.  
That was enough to make him surrender.

  https://tinyurl.com/paardvork


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Subject: Re: The most beautiful and devastating tactical concept
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So in this game:  https://lichess.org/LjgzLvmidVPs the enemy fell victim to a royal fork.

Because it was a 5/5 game, the enemy played on, but of course in vain.   A handful of moves later he was mate.

And even though this was a 15/15 game:  https://lichess.org/mfvxWE3ZJWL0 the enemy, after also falling victim to a royal fork, played on to the mate. 

No problem, that too is chess.

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