On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 12:01:24 PM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 4:56:12 AM UTC, jim gavon wrote:
> > On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 6:45:02 PM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 1:11:22 PM UTC, jim gavon wrote:
> > > > On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 2:22:52 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
> > > > > On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 9:21:05 AM UTC, dosai prata wrote:
> > > > > > On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 1:29:31 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:
> > > > > > > On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 8:17:10 AM UTC, decadence thlon wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 10:13:22 AM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 5:29:59 PM UTC, stoney wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 11:54:23 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > And they will be very disappointed. But in the long run, the US is a non issue.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > China can wait. However, China will NEVER renounce the Responsibility to reunify
> > > > > > > > > > > and the Right to reunify by force if necessary. ROC should and would do the same
> > > > > > > > > > > if the situation is reversed.
> > > > > > > > > > What would Taiwan do in what situation when reversed?
> > > > > > > > > Not Taiwan.
> > > > > > > > > Taiwan as an independent political entity does not exists, past and present.
> > > > > > > > > ROC, however, exists and it exits to benefit all Chinese for both short and long
> > > > > > > > > term.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The PRC will do everything, including the military, to reunify because such
> > > > > > > > > unification is believed to be necessary and unavoidable in order to benefit the
> > > > > > > > > Chinese people for the short and especially the long term..
> > > > > > > > RoC - Republic of China
> > > > > > > > PRC - People’s Republic of China
> > > > > > > > In both references, the China refers to Mainland China and the island of Taiwan+some small islands(for short, Taiwan).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > RoC is only meaningful to the Kuomintang. To those Taiwan Independents and its political arm DPP, they are not interested in a China that binds together the Mainland and Taiwan. They are only interested in Taiwan. They want Taiwan to be an independent political entity on its own, separated from China. A DPP government rules Taiwan as an independent nation. That’s the reality. The wordings in the Constitution may be different but that’s moot. They will be changed as DPP rule becomes more established over time.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What about the rest of the world? There are only few remaining countries left which have diplomat relationships with Taiwan. Many more declare that they have a ‘One China’ policy. That's only in words. In reality, many of them treat Taiwan as a de facto nation, referring to it fondly and protectively as a self-ruling democracy. Those that matter include The Five Eyes, EU and Japan. That’s more than enough. These maintain political, economic and culture connections with Taiwan. They are prepared to resort to force to prevent China from taking over Taiwan by force.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > That’s the peaceful status quo. Reunification will not happen under it. Instead, it means a Taiwan which will grow more independent and separated from China. In short, there will be no Peaceful Reunification, only Peaceful Independence and Separation.
> > > > > > > https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/xi-would-be-sinner-all-chinese-if-he-attacks-taiwan-security-official-says-2022-10-20/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The Taiwanese official does not know what he is talking about.. The truth is this. If Xi were to lead China to attack Taiwan, he would only be a sinner to those Taiwan Independents (TI). These traitors of their race don’t consider themselves Chinese , anyway. Why would Chinese in the world want to side with them?
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> > > > > > > The DPP government is colluding with enemies of China. It is ever ready to offer itself for use as a pawn against China.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It is getting closer with India. https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2022/10/12/2003786875
> > > > > > > It will accept more Indian immigrants into Taiwan to dilute the Chinese population there. If India were to be at war with China, the DPP government would allow Taiwan to become another front against China.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > When it comes to using Taiwan as a pawn, the US is the worst of the lot. The US is using all excuses and means to make Taiwan independent and separate from China. In the latest move, it is going to send staff and and weapon systems to Taiwan and co-produce US weapons in Taiwan with the DPP government.
> > > > > > > https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/us-government-considering-joint-production-weapons-with-taiwan-nikkei-2022-10-19/
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > TI and its political arm DPP is pushing Taiwan towards war with China. The US is willing to get in the way of China-Taiwan Reunification.. This makes war between the US and China inevitable.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Can China win a war with the US in order to reunify with Taiwan? Before this, is China ready for a war with the US?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If the war has to be fought in Asia-Pacific around China’s neighborhood, then China will lose before it even start fighting. The reasons being:
> > > > > > > 1. The US has a strong military presence in the Asia-Pacific with military bases close to China.
> > > > > > > 2. It can further project its military might across the Pacific with its aircraft carrier fleets.
> > > > > > > 3. Chinese industrial complex will be destroyed while the US’s continue to operate.
> > > > > > > 4. The US military has more war experience than China’s.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Before starting a war with the US, China should establish the following preconditions for itself.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 1. military presence around US neighborhood like in the islands of the Caribbean.
> > > > > > > 2. aircraft carrier fleets which can speed towards the US.
> > > > > > > 3. weapons which can leapfrog or bypass those US rings-of-fires around China to attack the US mainland directly.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This is unlikely to happen within the next 5 years. 10 years, maybe. 20 years, more likely.
> > > > > > https://www.csis.org/analysis/first-battle-next-war-wargaming-chinese-invasion-taiwan
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Its a war of China against US-Taiwan-Japan. China is predicted to lose. This is not surprising. It's a wrong place and time for China.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > China is not likely to win a war against US-Taiwan-Japan if the theater of war is in Asia-Pacific. In Asia-Pacific, US military might has a heavy presence in close proximity to China. China is surrounded by US military bases some of which are in China's next-door neighbors. Already, US aircraft carriers can sail as close to China as the Taiwan Straits, unmolested. Its surveillance planes can fly close to the Chinese coast, again unmolested. Not forgetting that the current US nuclear arsenal is several times larger than that of China.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This war game is unrealistic. It misses a very significant participant – India. The US would definitely pull in India in a Asia-Pacific War. It has prepared for this by imagining a continuous ocean from the Pacific to the Indian Ocean and call it the Indo-Pacific. Through this ruse, India, though not a Pacific nation, can get itself involve in Pacific affairs. If war were to breakout between China and US-Taiwan-Japan, the US would push India to start another front at its Himalayan border with China. The US will be disappointed. Cunning Indians would know how to play the game right. India would join in by its own accord and timing. It would wait until it is convinced that China has been thoroughly beaten and too weak to mount a counter-attack against it.
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> > > > > > The Asia-Pacific is not the right place, and now is not the right time, for a China against US-Taiwan-Japan War.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Would China want to attack Taiwan now? US is the deciding factor. If China can take on the US alone, that will change the whole game.
> > > > > > When can China take on the US alone?
> > > > > > 1) It has achieved nuclear parity with the US or sufficiently close to it. From the Russia-Ukraine War, we can see how important this is for China. The US dare not get itself directly involve in the war because of Russia's nuclear might.
> > > > > > 2) Chinese military might can reach closed to mainland USA.Chinese have military bases close to the US mainland. Chinese aircraft carrier and submarine fleets can exercise their "freedom-of-navigation" along both coasts of the US.
> > > > > > 3) Chinese nuclear-tipped missiles can cover the whole of the US mainland from coast-to-coast.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Under this condition,
> > > > > > Taiwan Independents would not be pushing for Independence.
> > > > > > Most Chinese in Taiwan would opt for unity with China.
> > > > > > It would scare off Japan and India too.
> > > > > > In this way, China can avoid a war with the US-Taiwan-Japan without having to fire a single shot.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If there is no war, who will reap a higher dividend-of-peace, the Americans or the Chinese? Without war, China will continue its meteoric rise until it surpasses the US.
> > > > > > The Americans know this - in peace China will win and in war China will lose. This is why the Americans are trying hard to push China into a trap of war. They are trying all sorts of dirty tricks. 'China Threat', 'Chinese Expansionism', 'China the regional bully', Chinese might-makes-right mentality', and other cliches and slogans are being used to demonise China and create Sinophobia among China's neighbors, especially those which have territorial disputes with China. These are convinced to militarise feverishly, with American weapons of course. Foremost in the Americans mind of dirty tricks right now is Taiwan.
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> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Americans are failing in pragmatism like economic development. They are selling their values to compete with China. Will the Chinese in Taiwan forget their common root, ancestry and 5000 years of history with the mainland Chinese and join in with non-Chinese to fight against their fellow Chinese? All these over some voodoo values of Western-style democracy, unbridled freedom and wanton human rights?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ukraine today is providing a valuable lesson to the Chinese in Taiwan. The Chinese in Taiwan should ask themselves how Ukraine end up in the pathetic state that it is now. The lesson from Ukraine is crystal clear. There is no ambiguity. It is this:
> > > > > > The Ukrainians were fooled by the Westerners to forget their common Slavic root, ancestry and long history with the Russians. They allow Ukraine to be used by non-Slavic powers to threaten the security of Russia. The Ukrainians are paying a very heavy price for it. They are suffering massive deaths and destruction. They have become cannon fodders in a proxy war between the West and Russia. It's not over yet. No one knows how long and how much more the Ukrainians will have to suffer.
> > > > > > The Chinese in Taiwan should learn the right lessons they are getting from the Ukrainian. Westerners are using the war in Ukraine as reasons why Taiwan should fiercely resist mainland China invasion and become independent.
> > > > > > https://www.ft.com/content/187c3c2f-97b2-4abe-982e-8dfba86cecec
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Will the majority Chinese in Taiwan be foolish enough to let the Westerners and their Taiwan Independents dogs lead them to the same fate as the Ukrainians are in now? Will they too suffer like the Ukrainians do now? It all depends on them.
> > > > >
> > > > > Watch this video of the CSIS Conference.
> > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoZv_7KYMkA
> > > > >
> > > > > 1:16:15 A member of the audience, referring to the cost of the war in Ukraine, suggested diplomacy with China.
> > > > > The mic was taken away from her. Where is the freedom of speech?
> > > > >
> > > > > 1:17:40 One guy referred to 2027 as the 100th anniversary of PRC. None of the speakers corrected him. This shows how ignorant Americans are about China.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ordinary Americans are generally ignorant about China and only know that country through their media.The media is feeding them with misinformation, half-truth and fake news about China. As a result, the whole of US is engulfed in hatred and phobia towards China. Any American who suggests friendliness towards China is shut-up. This makes war between the two nations more likely.
> > > > President Tsai Ing-wen, leader of the Taiwan Independents’ DPP will visit the US soon. Preempting her, Ma Yingjeou, ex-President of Taiwan and ex-leader of the KMT , is visiting China.
> > > >
> > > > There is a deep contrast between these two visits. It’s that of War and Peace. While Tsai is on a mission of War, Ma is on a mission of Peace. There is also a deep contrast to who and what these two politicians from Taiwan represent.
> > > >
> > > > Tsai Ing-wen represents those Chinese in Taiwan, so called Taiwan Independents, who want to forget their Chinese ancestry, history and culture.. They want to identify themselves as belonging to a new race of Taiwanese who have adopted Western-style ideologies of democracy, freedom and human rights. In the name of these, they are prepared to go to war to kill and destroy their fellow Chinese on the Mainland.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ma Yingjeou represents those Chinese in Taiwan who never forget the common ancestry, history and culture they share with the Chinese on the Mainland. While in China, he has visited the mausoleum of Dr. Sun Yat Sen whom all Chinese recognise as the Father of Modern China.
> > > >
> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6s088-WzGiI
> > > >
> > > > This is most symbolic of Chinese history over the last 100 years. It was ideology that caused the Chinese Kuomintang and Communists to fight and kill themselves massively until it brought about the partition of Mainland China and Taiwan, separated by a straits. Despite such unfortunate history, both sides recognise the same Founder and never forget that the Mainland and the Island of Taiwan together form One China and the people are of the same stock. Now, they are ready to reconcile their differences. They want to put aside ideologies, remember their common ancestry, history and culture and work towards Peace.
> > > >
> > > > But evil forces are at work to prevent this from happening. Since the 1990s, the Americans have fomented independence and separatism among the Taiwanese. These so called Taiwan Independents are indoctrinated, organised, armed and supported by the US-led West to fight for independence and separation of the island from the mainland. Their political arm is the Democratic Progressive Party which runs the current government in Taiwan. Tsai Ing-wen is their current leader and the President of Taiwan.
> > > >
> > > > On her visit to the US, Tsai Ing-wen will confer with American politicians and militarists. The politicians will advise her on how to confront the Mainland Government and expand Taiwan’s space in the international political arena while the militarists will advise her on how to prepare for war. More precisely, how she will have to prepare Taiwan as a proxy in the coming US War With China.
> > > >
> > > > 2024 will be a decisive year for US, China, Taiwan and the whole world. It will be an election year in both Taiwan and the US, with the one in Taiwan proceeding first. If the DPP were to win in Taiwan, the chances of War will be much increased. When this happens, it will not be only US and Taiwan against China. It will be US-led Coalition of Western and Asia-Pacific allies against China and its allies. If , by that time the war in Ukraine has not ended, the number and geographical coverage of the nations involved in wars will make it a World War 3.
> > > US cannot effectively compete with China (PRC), it badly want to use ROC to compete with China.
> > > Hence, it stirs things up to put stress on PRC-ROC relationship. Ma's trip is to de-stress. And hopefully
> > > find a way to improve bilateral relationship.
> > >
> > > Don't think 2024 would be decisive.
> > > The way I see it, voting should be considered harmful in general. However, 2024 election in Taiwan
> > > would not really break the “不统、不独、不武” framework anytime soon. PRC leaders would never
> > > give up using force but will continue to kick the can down the road as long as possible. Green ROC
> > > leaders would continue to repeat their "抗中保台" election slogan under the implicit “不统、不独、不武”
> > > framework.
> > 2027 is the year that China has set itself to reunify with Taiwan.
> Just on your say so?
>
> America's very successful PRESIDENT FOR LIFE had popularized the idea
> of "speak softly and carry a big stick." Chinese leaders would certainly think
> similarly. But then 2027, 2072 or 2023 will make no difference.
> >
> > This is being taken very seriously by the US. In preparation for this, the US, together with some of its Asia-Pacific allies, has already begun to set up the military might around China.
> Being taken very seriously by the US means . . . ? ? ?
> >
> > Whichever party wins the 2024 Presidential Election, its term will overlap 2027. By then, a DPP government that insists on independence will highly increase the risk of war with China.
> >
> > 2027 may not be reached before war breaks out. Once the DPP wins in 2024, the US-led side will rapidly ramp up its military aid to Taiwan and its military might around China. This may provoke China to start the war.
> >
> > That is why 2024 is a critical year.
> >
> > The saving grace to all these will be a KMT victory in the Election. This will highly increase the chances of peaceful reunification.

On Saturday, April 1, 2023 at 5:27:33 AM UTC, jim gavon wrote:
> On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 12:01:24 PM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> > On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 4:56:12 AM UTC, jim gavon wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 6:45:02 PM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 1:11:22 PM UTC, jim gavon wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 2:22:52 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
> > > > > > On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 9:21:05 AM UTC, dosai prata wrote:
> > > > > > > On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 1:29:31 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 8:17:10 AM UTC, decadence thlon wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 10:13:22 AM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 5:29:59 PM UTC, stoney wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 11:54:23 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > And they will be very disappointed. But in the long run, the US is a non issue.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > China can wait. However, China will NEVER renounce the Responsibility to reunify
> > > > > > > > > > > > and the Right to reunify by force if necessary. ROC should and would do the same
> > > > > > > > > > > > if the situation is reversed.
> > > > > > > > > > > What would Taiwan do in what situation when reversed?
> > > > > > > > > > Not Taiwan.
> > > > > > > > > > Taiwan as an independent political entity does not exists, past and present.
> > > > > > > > > > ROC, however, exists and it exits to benefit all Chinese for both short and long
> > > > > > > > > > term.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The PRC will do everything, including the military, to reunify because such
> > > > > > > > > > unification is believed to be necessary and unavoidable in order to benefit the
> > > > > > > > > > Chinese people for the short and especially the long term.
> > > > > > > > > RoC - Republic of China
> > > > > > > > > PRC - People’s Republic of China
> > > > > > > > > In both references, the China refers to Mainland China and the island of Taiwan+some small islands(for short, Taiwan).
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > RoC is only meaningful to the Kuomintang. To those Taiwan Independents and its political arm DPP, they are not interested in a China that binds together the Mainland and Taiwan. They are only interested in Taiwan. They want Taiwan to be an independent political entity on its own, separated from China. A DPP government rules Taiwan as an independent nation.. That’s the reality. The wordings in the Constitution may be different but that’s moot. They will be changed as DPP rule becomes more established over time.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > What about the rest of the world? There are only few remaining countries left which have diplomat relationships with Taiwan. Many more declare that they have a ‘One China’ policy. That's only in words. In reality, many of them treat Taiwan as a de facto nation, referring to it fondly and protectively as a self-ruling democracy. Those that matter include The Five Eyes, EU and Japan. That’s more than enough.. These maintain political, economic and culture connections with Taiwan. They are prepared to resort to force to prevent China from taking over Taiwan by force.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > That’s the peaceful status quo. Reunification will not happen under it. Instead, it means a Taiwan which will grow more independent and separated from China. In short, there will be no Peaceful Reunification, only Peaceful Independence and Separation.
> > > > > > > > https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/xi-would-be-sinner-all-chinese-if-he-attacks-taiwan-security-official-says-2022-10-20/
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The Taiwanese official does not know what he is talking about. The truth is this. If Xi were to lead China to attack Taiwan, he would only be a sinner to those Taiwan Independents (TI). These traitors of their race don’t consider themselves Chinese , anyway. Why would Chinese in the world want to side with them?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The DPP government is colluding with enemies of China. It is ever ready to offer itself for use as a pawn against China.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It is getting closer with India. https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2022/10/12/2003786875
> > > > > > > > It will accept more Indian immigrants into Taiwan to dilute the Chinese population there. If India were to be at war with China, the DPP government would allow Taiwan to become another front against China.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > When it comes to using Taiwan as a pawn, the US is the worst of the lot. The US is using all excuses and means to make Taiwan independent and separate from China. In the latest move, it is going to send staff and and weapon systems to Taiwan and co-produce US weapons in Taiwan with the DPP government.
> > > > > > > > https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/us-government-considering-joint-production-weapons-with-taiwan-nikkei-2022-10-19/
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > TI and its political arm DPP is pushing Taiwan towards war with China. The US is willing to get in the way of China-Taiwan Reunification. This makes war between the US and China inevitable.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Can China win a war with the US in order to reunify with Taiwan? Before this, is China ready for a war with the US?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If the war has to be fought in Asia-Pacific around China’s neighborhood, then China will lose before it even start fighting. The reasons being:
> > > > > > > > 1. The US has a strong military presence in the Asia-Pacific with military bases close to China.
> > > > > > > > 2. It can further project its military might across the Pacific with its aircraft carrier fleets.
> > > > > > > > 3. Chinese industrial complex will be destroyed while the US’s continue to operate.
> > > > > > > > 4. The US military has more war experience than China’s.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Before starting a war with the US, China should establish the following preconditions for itself.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 1. military presence around US neighborhood like in the islands of the Caribbean.
> > > > > > > > 2. aircraft carrier fleets which can speed towards the US.
> > > > > > > > 3. weapons which can leapfrog or bypass those US rings-of-fires around China to attack the US mainland directly.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > This is unlikely to happen within the next 5 years. 10 years, maybe. 20 years, more likely.
> > > > > > > https://www.csis.org/analysis/first-battle-next-war-wargaming-chinese-invasion-taiwan
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Its a war of China against US-Taiwan-Japan. China is predicted to lose. This is not surprising. It's a wrong place and time for China.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > China is not likely to win a war against US-Taiwan-Japan if the theater of war is in Asia-Pacific. In Asia-Pacific, US military might has a heavy presence in close proximity to China. China is surrounded by US military bases some of which are in China's next-door neighbors. Already, US aircraft carriers can sail as close to China as the Taiwan Straits, unmolested. Its surveillance planes can fly close to the Chinese coast, again unmolested. Not forgetting that the current US nuclear arsenal is several times larger than that of China.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This war game is unrealistic. It misses a very significant participant – India. The US would definitely pull in India in a Asia-Pacific War. It has prepared for this by imagining a continuous ocean from the Pacific to the Indian Ocean and call it the Indo-Pacific. Through this ruse, India, though not a Pacific nation, can get itself involve in Pacific affairs. If war were to breakout between China and US-Taiwan-Japan, the US would push India to start another front at its Himalayan border with China.. The US will be disappointed. Cunning Indians would know how to play the game right. India would join in by its own accord and timing. It would wait until it is convinced that China has been thoroughly beaten and too weak to mount a counter-attack against it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The Asia-Pacific is not the right place, and now is not the right time, for a China against US-Taiwan-Japan War.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Would China want to attack Taiwan now? US is the deciding factor. If China can take on the US alone, that will change the whole game.
> > > > > > > When can China take on the US alone?
> > > > > > > 1) It has achieved nuclear parity with the US or sufficiently close to it. From the Russia-Ukraine War, we can see how important this is for China. The US dare not get itself directly involve in the war because of Russia's nuclear might.
> > > > > > > 2) Chinese military might can reach closed to mainland USA.Chinese have military bases close to the US mainland. Chinese aircraft carrier and submarine fleets can exercise their "freedom-of-navigation" along both coasts of the US.
> > > > > > > 3) Chinese nuclear-tipped missiles can cover the whole of the US mainland from coast-to-coast.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Under this condition,
> > > > > > > Taiwan Independents would not be pushing for Independence.
> > > > > > > Most Chinese in Taiwan would opt for unity with China.
> > > > > > > It would scare off Japan and India too.
> > > > > > > In this way, China can avoid a war with the US-Taiwan-Japan without having to fire a single shot.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If there is no war, who will reap a higher dividend-of-peace, the Americans or the Chinese? Without war, China will continue its meteoric rise until it surpasses the US.
> > > > > > > The Americans know this - in peace China will win and in war China will lose. This is why the Americans are trying hard to push China into a trap of war. They are trying all sorts of dirty tricks. 'China Threat', 'Chinese Expansionism', 'China the regional bully', Chinese might-makes-right mentality', and other cliches and slogans are being used to demonise China and create Sinophobia among China's neighbors, especially those which have territorial disputes with China. These are convinced to militarise feverishly, with American weapons of course. Foremost in the Americans mind of dirty tricks right now is Taiwan.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The Americans are failing in pragmatism like economic development. They are selling their values to compete with China. Will the Chinese in Taiwan forget their common root, ancestry and 5000 years of history with the mainland Chinese and join in with non-Chinese to fight against their fellow Chinese? All these over some voodoo values of Western-style democracy, unbridled freedom and wanton human rights?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ukraine today is providing a valuable lesson to the Chinese in Taiwan. The Chinese in Taiwan should ask themselves how Ukraine end up in the pathetic state that it is now. The lesson from Ukraine is crystal clear. There is no ambiguity. It is this:
> > > > > > > The Ukrainians were fooled by the Westerners to forget their common Slavic root, ancestry and long history with the Russians. They allow Ukraine to be used by non-Slavic powers to threaten the security of Russia.. The Ukrainians are paying a very heavy price for it. They are suffering massive deaths and destruction. They have become cannon fodders in a proxy war between the West and Russia. It's not over yet. No one knows how long and how much more the Ukrainians will have to suffer.
> > > > > > > The Chinese in Taiwan should learn the right lessons they are getting from the Ukrainian. Westerners are using the war in Ukraine as reasons why Taiwan should fiercely resist mainland China invasion and become independent.
> > > > > > > https://www.ft.com/content/187c3c2f-97b2-4abe-982e-8dfba86cecec
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Will the majority Chinese in Taiwan be foolish enough to let the Westerners and their Taiwan Independents dogs lead them to the same fate as the Ukrainians are in now? Will they too suffer like the Ukrainians do now? It all depends on them.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Watch this video of the CSIS Conference.
> > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoZv_7KYMkA
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1:16:15 A member of the audience, referring to the cost of the war in Ukraine, suggested diplomacy with China.
> > > > > > The mic was taken away from her. Where is the freedom of speech?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1:17:40 One guy referred to 2027 as the 100th anniversary of PRC. None of the speakers corrected him. This shows how ignorant Americans are about China.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ordinary Americans are generally ignorant about China and only know that country through their media.The media is feeding them with misinformation, half-truth and fake news about China. As a result, the whole of US is engulfed in hatred and phobia towards China. Any American who suggests friendliness towards China is shut-up. This makes war between the two nations more likely.
> > > > > President Tsai Ing-wen, leader of the Taiwan Independents’ DPP will visit the US soon. Preempting her, Ma Yingjeou, ex-President of Taiwan and ex-leader of the KMT , is visiting China.
> > > > >
> > > > > There is a deep contrast between these two visits. It’s that of War and Peace. While Tsai is on a mission of War, Ma is on a mission of Peace. There is also a deep contrast to who and what these two politicians from Taiwan represent.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tsai Ing-wen represents those Chinese in Taiwan, so called Taiwan Independents, who want to forget their Chinese ancestry, history and culture. They want to identify themselves as belonging to a new race of Taiwanese who have adopted Western-style ideologies of democracy, freedom and human rights. In the name of these, they are prepared to go to war to kill and destroy their fellow Chinese on the Mainland.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Ma Yingjeou represents those Chinese in Taiwan who never forget the common ancestry, history and culture they share with the Chinese on the Mainland. While in China, he has visited the mausoleum of Dr. Sun Yat Sen whom all Chinese recognise as the Father of Modern China.
> > > > >
> > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6s088-WzGiI
> > > > >
> > > > > This is most symbolic of Chinese history over the last 100 years. It was ideology that caused the Chinese Kuomintang and Communists to fight and kill themselves massively until it brought about the partition of Mainland China and Taiwan, separated by a straits. Despite such unfortunate history, both sides recognise the same Founder and never forget that the Mainland and the Island of Taiwan together form One China and the people are of the same stock. Now, they are ready to reconcile their differences. They want to put aside ideologies, remember their common ancestry, history and culture and work towards Peace.
> > > > >
> > > > > But evil forces are at work to prevent this from happening. Since the 1990s, the Americans have fomented independence and separatism among the Taiwanese. These so called Taiwan Independents are indoctrinated, organised, armed and supported by the US-led West to fight for independence and separation of the island from the mainland. Their political arm is the Democratic Progressive Party which runs the current government in Taiwan. Tsai Ing-wen is their current leader and the President of Taiwan.
> > > > >
> > > > > On her visit to the US, Tsai Ing-wen will confer with American politicians and militarists. The politicians will advise her on how to confront the Mainland Government and expand Taiwan’s space in the international political arena while the militarists will advise her on how to prepare for war. More precisely, how she will have to prepare Taiwan as a proxy in the coming US War With China.
> > > > >
> > > > > 2024 will be a decisive year for US, China, Taiwan and the whole world. It will be an election year in both Taiwan and the US, with the one in Taiwan proceeding first. If the DPP were to win in Taiwan, the chances of War will be much increased. When this happens, it will not be only US and Taiwan against China. It will be US-led Coalition of Western and Asia-Pacific allies against China and its allies. If , by that time the war in Ukraine has not ended, the number and geographical coverage of the nations involved in wars will make it a World War 3.
> > > > US cannot effectively compete with China (PRC), it badly want to use ROC to compete with China.
> > > > Hence, it stirs things up to put stress on PRC-ROC relationship. Ma's trip is to de-stress. And hopefully
> > > > find a way to improve bilateral relationship.
> > > >
> > > > Don't think 2024 would be decisive.
> > > > The way I see it, voting should be considered harmful in general. However, 2024 election in Taiwan
> > > > would not really break the “不统、不独、不武” framework anytime soon. PRC leaders would never
> > > > give up using force but will continue to kick the can down the road as long as possible. Green ROC
> > > > leaders would continue to repeat their "抗中保台" election slogan under the implicit “不统、不独、不武”
> > > > framework.
> > > 2027 is the year that China has set itself to reunify with Taiwan.
> > Just on your say so?
> >
> > America's very successful PRESIDENT FOR LIFE had popularized the idea
> > of "speak softly and carry a big stick." Chinese leaders would certainly think
> > similarly. But then 2027, 2072 or 2023 will make no difference.
> > >
> > > This is being taken very seriously by the US. In preparation for this, the US, together with some of its Asia-Pacific allies, has already begun to set up the military might around China.
> > Being taken very seriously by the US means . . . ? ? ?
> > >
> > > Whichever party wins the 2024 Presidential Election, its term will overlap 2027. By then, a DPP government that insists on independence will highly increase the risk of war with China.
> > >
> > > 2027 may not be reached before war breaks out. Once the DPP wins in 2024, the US-led side will rapidly ramp up its military aid to Taiwan and its military might around China. This may provoke China to start the war.
> > >
> > > That is why 2024 is a critical year.
> > >
> > > The saving grace to all these will be a KMT victory in the Election. This will highly increase the chances of peaceful reunification.
> After visiting Dr. Sun Yat Sen mausoleum and the war memorial in Nanjing, Ma Yingjeou paid homage to his ancestry in Hunan.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xn90f6E6AxA
> He has also stated openly that people on both sides of the strait are all Chinese belonging to one family.
> These are all symbolic. He is telling the world that people on both sides of the strait share a common history, ancestry and root.

On Saturday, April 1, 2023 at 10:32:16 AM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Saturday, April 1, 2023 at 5:27:33 AM UTC, jim gavon wrote:
> > On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 12:01:24 PM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 4:56:12 AM UTC, jim gavon wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 6:45:02 PM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 1:11:22 PM UTC, jim gavon wrote:
> > > > > > On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 2:22:52 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
> > > > > > > On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 9:21:05 AM UTC, dosai prata wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 1:29:31 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 8:17:10 AM UTC, decadence thlon wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 10:13:22 AM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 5:29:59 PM UTC, stoney wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 11:54:23 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > And they will be very disappointed. But in the long run, the US is a non issue.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > China can wait. However, China will NEVER renounce the Responsibility to reunify
> > > > > > > > > > > > > and the Right to reunify by force if necessary. ROC should and would do the same
> > > > > > > > > > > > > if the situation is reversed.
> > > > > > > > > > > > What would Taiwan do in what situation when reversed?
> > > > > > > > > > > Not Taiwan.
> > > > > > > > > > > Taiwan as an independent political entity does not exists, past and present.
> > > > > > > > > > > ROC, however, exists and it exits to benefit all Chinese for both short and long
> > > > > > > > > > > term.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The PRC will do everything, including the military, to reunify because such
> > > > > > > > > > > unification is believed to be necessary and unavoidable in order to benefit the
> > > > > > > > > > > Chinese people for the short and especially the long term.
> > > > > > > > > > RoC - Republic of China
> > > > > > > > > > PRC - People’s Republic of China
> > > > > > > > > > In both references, the China refers to Mainland China and the island of Taiwan+some small islands(for short, Taiwan).
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > RoC is only meaningful to the Kuomintang. To those Taiwan Independents and its political arm DPP, they are not interested in a China that binds together the Mainland and Taiwan. They are only interested in Taiwan. They want Taiwan to be an independent political entity on its own, separated from China. A DPP government rules Taiwan as an independent nation. That’s the reality. The wordings in the Constitution may be different but that’s moot. They will be changed as DPP rule becomes more established over time.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > What about the rest of the world? There are only few remaining countries left which have diplomat relationships with Taiwan. Many more declare that they have a ‘One China’ policy. That's only in words. In reality, many of them treat Taiwan as a de facto nation, referring to it fondly and protectively as a self-ruling democracy. Those that matter include The Five Eyes, EU and Japan. That’s more than enough. These maintain political, economic and culture connections with Taiwan. They are prepared to resort to force to prevent China from taking over Taiwan by force.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > That’s the peaceful status quo. Reunification will not happen under it. Instead, it means a Taiwan which will grow more independent and separated from China. In short, there will be no Peaceful Reunification, only Peaceful Independence and Separation.
> > > > > > > > > https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/xi-would-be-sinner-all-chinese-if-he-attacks-taiwan-security-official-says-2022-10-20/
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The Taiwanese official does not know what he is talking about. The truth is this. If Xi were to lead China to attack Taiwan, he would only be a sinner to those Taiwan Independents (TI). These traitors of their race don’t consider themselves Chinese , anyway. Why would Chinese in the world want to side with them?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The DPP government is colluding with enemies of China. It is ever ready to offer itself for use as a pawn against China.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > It is getting closer with India. https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2022/10/12/2003786875
> > > > > > > > > It will accept more Indian immigrants into Taiwan to dilute the Chinese population there. If India were to be at war with China, the DPP government would allow Taiwan to become another front against China.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > When it comes to using Taiwan as a pawn, the US is the worst of the lot. The US is using all excuses and means to make Taiwan independent and separate from China. In the latest move, it is going to send staff and and weapon systems to Taiwan and co-produce US weapons in Taiwan with the DPP government.
> > > > > > > > > https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/us-government-considering-joint-production-weapons-with-taiwan-nikkei-2022-10-19/
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > TI and its political arm DPP is pushing Taiwan towards war with China. The US is willing to get in the way of China-Taiwan Reunification. This makes war between the US and China inevitable.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Can China win a war with the US in order to reunify with Taiwan? Before this, is China ready for a war with the US?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If the war has to be fought in Asia-Pacific around China’s neighborhood, then China will lose before it even start fighting.. The reasons being:
> > > > > > > > > 1. The US has a strong military presence in the Asia-Pacific with military bases close to China.
> > > > > > > > > 2. It can further project its military might across the Pacific with its aircraft carrier fleets.
> > > > > > > > > 3. Chinese industrial complex will be destroyed while the US’s continue to operate.
> > > > > > > > > 4. The US military has more war experience than China’s.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Before starting a war with the US, China should establish the following preconditions for itself.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 1. military presence around US neighborhood like in the islands of the Caribbean.
> > > > > > > > > 2. aircraft carrier fleets which can speed towards the US..
> > > > > > > > > 3. weapons which can leapfrog or bypass those US rings-of-fires around China to attack the US mainland directly.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > This is unlikely to happen within the next 5 years. 10 years, maybe. 20 years, more likely.
> > > > > > > > https://www.csis.org/analysis/first-battle-next-war-wargaming-chinese-invasion-taiwan
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Its a war of China against US-Taiwan-Japan. China is predicted to lose. This is not surprising. It's a wrong place and time for China.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > China is not likely to win a war against US-Taiwan-Japan if the theater of war is in Asia-Pacific. In Asia-Pacific, US military might has a heavy presence in close proximity to China. China is surrounded by US military bases some of which are in China's next-door neighbors. Already, US aircraft carriers can sail as close to China as the Taiwan Straits, unmolested. Its surveillance planes can fly close to the Chinese coast, again unmolested. Not forgetting that the current US nuclear arsenal is several times larger than that of China.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > This war game is unrealistic. It misses a very significant participant – India. The US would definitely pull in India in a Asia-Pacific War. It has prepared for this by imagining a continuous ocean from the Pacific to the Indian Ocean and call it the Indo-Pacific. Through this ruse, India, though not a Pacific nation, can get itself involve in Pacific affairs. If war were to breakout between China and US-Taiwan-Japan, the US would push India to start another front at its Himalayan border with China. The US will be disappointed. Cunning Indians would know how to play the game right. India would join in by its own accord and timing. It would wait until it is convinced that China has been thoroughly beaten and too weak to mount a counter-attack against it.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The Asia-Pacific is not the right place, and now is not the right time, for a China against US-Taiwan-Japan War.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Would China want to attack Taiwan now? US is the deciding factor. If China can take on the US alone, that will change the whole game.
> > > > > > > > When can China take on the US alone?
> > > > > > > > 1) It has achieved nuclear parity with the US or sufficiently close to it. From the Russia-Ukraine War, we can see how important this is for China. The US dare not get itself directly involve in the war because of Russia's nuclear might.
> > > > > > > > 2) Chinese military might can reach closed to mainland USA.Chinese have military bases close to the US mainland. Chinese aircraft carrier and submarine fleets can exercise their "freedom-of-navigation" along both coasts of the US.
> > > > > > > > 3) Chinese nuclear-tipped missiles can cover the whole of the US mainland from coast-to-coast.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Under this condition,
> > > > > > > > Taiwan Independents would not be pushing for Independence.
> > > > > > > > Most Chinese in Taiwan would opt for unity with China.
> > > > > > > > It would scare off Japan and India too.
> > > > > > > > In this way, China can avoid a war with the US-Taiwan-Japan without having to fire a single shot.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If there is no war, who will reap a higher dividend-of-peace, the Americans or the Chinese? Without war, China will continue its meteoric rise until it surpasses the US.
> > > > > > > > The Americans know this - in peace China will win and in war China will lose. This is why the Americans are trying hard to push China into a trap of war. They are trying all sorts of dirty tricks. 'China Threat', 'Chinese Expansionism', 'China the regional bully', Chinese might-makes-right mentality', and other cliches and slogans are being used to demonise China and create Sinophobia among China's neighbors, especially those which have territorial disputes with China. These are convinced to militarise feverishly, with American weapons of course. Foremost in the Americans mind of dirty tricks right now is Taiwan.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The Americans are failing in pragmatism like economic development. They are selling their values to compete with China. Will the Chinese in Taiwan forget their common root, ancestry and 5000 years of history with the mainland Chinese and join in with non-Chinese to fight against their fellow Chinese? All these over some voodoo values of Western-style democracy, unbridled freedom and wanton human rights?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ukraine today is providing a valuable lesson to the Chinese in Taiwan. The Chinese in Taiwan should ask themselves how Ukraine end up in the pathetic state that it is now. The lesson from Ukraine is crystal clear. There is no ambiguity. It is this:
> > > > > > > > The Ukrainians were fooled by the Westerners to forget their common Slavic root, ancestry and long history with the Russians. They allow Ukraine to be used by non-Slavic powers to threaten the security of Russia. The Ukrainians are paying a very heavy price for it. They are suffering massive deaths and destruction. They have become cannon fodders in a proxy war between the West and Russia. It's not over yet. No one knows how long and how much more the Ukrainians will have to suffer.
> > > > > > > > The Chinese in Taiwan should learn the right lessons they are getting from the Ukrainian. Westerners are using the war in Ukraine as reasons why Taiwan should fiercely resist mainland China invasion and become independent.
> > > > > > > > https://www.ft.com/content/187c3c2f-97b2-4abe-982e-8dfba86cecec
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Will the majority Chinese in Taiwan be foolish enough to let the Westerners and their Taiwan Independents dogs lead them to the same fate as the Ukrainians are in now? Will they too suffer like the Ukrainians do now? It all depends on them.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Watch this video of the CSIS Conference.
> > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoZv_7KYMkA
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 1:16:15 A member of the audience, referring to the cost of the war in Ukraine, suggested diplomacy with China.
> > > > > > > The mic was taken away from her. Where is the freedom of speech?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 1:17:40 One guy referred to 2027 as the 100th anniversary of PRC. None of the speakers corrected him. This shows how ignorant Americans are about China.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ordinary Americans are generally ignorant about China and only know that country through their media.The media is feeding them with misinformation, half-truth and fake news about China. As a result, the whole of US is engulfed in hatred and phobia towards China. Any American who suggests friendliness towards China is shut-up. This makes war between the two nations more likely.
> > > > > > President Tsai Ing-wen, leader of the Taiwan Independents’ DPP will visit the US soon. Preempting her, Ma Yingjeou, ex-President of Taiwan and ex-leader of the KMT , is visiting China.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There is a deep contrast between these two visits. It’s that of War and Peace. While Tsai is on a mission of War, Ma is on a mission of Peace. There is also a deep contrast to who and what these two politicians from Taiwan represent.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tsai Ing-wen represents those Chinese in Taiwan, so called Taiwan Independents, who want to forget their Chinese ancestry, history and culture. They want to identify themselves as belonging to a new race of Taiwanese who have adopted Western-style ideologies of democracy, freedom and human rights. In the name of these, they are prepared to go to war to kill and destroy their fellow Chinese on the Mainland.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ma Yingjeou represents those Chinese in Taiwan who never forget the common ancestry, history and culture they share with the Chinese on the Mainland. While in China, he has visited the mausoleum of Dr. Sun Yat Sen whom all Chinese recognise as the Father of Modern China.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6s088-WzGiI
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This is most symbolic of Chinese history over the last 100 years. It was ideology that caused the Chinese Kuomintang and Communists to fight and kill themselves massively until it brought about the partition of Mainland China and Taiwan, separated by a straits. Despite such unfortunate history, both sides recognise the same Founder and never forget that the Mainland and the Island of Taiwan together form One China and the people are of the same stock. Now, they are ready to reconcile their differences. They want to put aside ideologies, remember their common ancestry, history and culture and work towards Peace.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But evil forces are at work to prevent this from happening. Since the 1990s, the Americans have fomented independence and separatism among the Taiwanese. These so called Taiwan Independents are indoctrinated, organised, armed and supported by the US-led West to fight for independence and separation of the island from the mainland. Their political arm is the Democratic Progressive Party which runs the current government in Taiwan. Tsai Ing-wen is their current leader and the President of Taiwan.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On her visit to the US, Tsai Ing-wen will confer with American politicians and militarists. The politicians will advise her on how to confront the Mainland Government and expand Taiwan’s space in the international political arena while the militarists will advise her on how to prepare for war. More precisely, how she will have to prepare Taiwan as a proxy in the coming US War With China.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2024 will be a decisive year for US, China, Taiwan and the whole world. It will be an election year in both Taiwan and the US, with the one in Taiwan proceeding first. If the DPP were to win in Taiwan, the chances of War will be much increased. When this happens, it will not be only US and Taiwan against China. It will be US-led Coalition of Western and Asia-Pacific allies against China and its allies. If , by that time the war in Ukraine has not ended, the number and geographical coverage of the nations involved in wars will make it a World War 3.
> > > > > US cannot effectively compete with China (PRC), it badly want to use ROC to compete with China.
> > > > > Hence, it stirs things up to put stress on PRC-ROC relationship. Ma's trip is to de-stress. And hopefully
> > > > > find a way to improve bilateral relationship.
> > > > >
> > > > > Don't think 2024 would be decisive.
> > > > > The way I see it, voting should be considered harmful in general. However, 2024 election in Taiwan
> > > > > would not really break the “不统、不独、不武” framework anytime soon. PRC leaders would never
> > > > > give up using force but will continue to kick the can down the road as long as possible. Green ROC
> > > > > leaders would continue to repeat their "抗中保台" election slogan under the implicit “不统、不独、不武”
> > > > > framework.
> > > > 2027 is the year that China has set itself to reunify with Taiwan.
> > > Just on your say so?
> > >
> > > America's very successful PRESIDENT FOR LIFE had popularized the idea
> > > of "speak softly and carry a big stick." Chinese leaders would certainly think
> > > similarly. But then 2027, 2072 or 2023 will make no difference.
> > > >
> > > > This is being taken very seriously by the US. In preparation for this, the US, together with some of its Asia-Pacific allies, has already begun to set up the military might around China.
> > > Being taken very seriously by the US means . . . ? ? ?
> > > >
> > > > Whichever party wins the 2024 Presidential Election, its term will overlap 2027. By then, a DPP government that insists on independence will highly increase the risk of war with China.
> > > >
> > > > 2027 may not be reached before war breaks out. Once the DPP wins in 2024, the US-led side will rapidly ramp up its military aid to Taiwan and its military might around China. This may provoke China to start the war.
> > > >
> > > > That is why 2024 is a critical year.
> > > >
> > > > The saving grace to all these will be a KMT victory in the Election.. This will highly increase the chances of peaceful reunification.
> > After visiting Dr. Sun Yat Sen mausoleum and the war memorial in Nanjing, Ma Yingjeou paid homage to his ancestry in Hunan.
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xn90f6E6AxA
> > He has also stated openly that people on both sides of the strait are all Chinese belonging to one family.
> > These are all symbolic. He is telling the world that people on both sides of the strait share a common history, ancestry and root.
> Don't think so.
> He is consistent. And he is a true believer and a follower of the ROC Constitution.
> >
> > Meanwhile, leader of the Taiwan Independents, Tsai Ing-wen is in the US to deny all these. She is working with American politicians and militarists on how to have an independent Taiwan separated from China, a people without root, only knowing how to ape the West in values.
> >
> > These Taiwan Independents are completely without human values.
> Unless one indiscriminately hates China and Chinese, otherwise he or she
> would be more discerning and not labeling all Taiwan leaders as Taiwan
> Independents and not calling all Taiwan Independents without human
> values as a mean to sow hatred among Chinese and misunderstanding
> among non-Chinese.

On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 4:29:16 AM UTC, jim gavon wrote:
> On Saturday, April 1, 2023 at 10:32:16 AM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> > On Saturday, April 1, 2023 at 5:27:33 AM UTC, jim gavon wrote:
> > > On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 12:01:24 PM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 4:56:12 AM UTC, jim gavon wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 6:45:02 PM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > > On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 1:11:22 PM UTC, jim gavon wrote:
> > > > > > > On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 2:22:52 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 9:21:05 AM UTC, dosai prata wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 1:29:31 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 8:17:10 AM UTC, decadence thlon wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 10:13:22 AM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 5:29:59 PM UTC, stoney wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 11:54:23 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > And they will be very disappointed. But in the long run, the US is a non issue.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > China can wait. However, China will NEVER renounce the Responsibility to reunify
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the Right to reunify by force if necessary. ROC should and would do the same
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > if the situation is reversed.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > What would Taiwan do in what situation when reversed?
> > > > > > > > > > > > Not Taiwan.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Taiwan as an independent political entity does not exists, past and present.
> > > > > > > > > > > > ROC, however, exists and it exits to benefit all Chinese for both short and long
> > > > > > > > > > > > term.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > The PRC will do everything, including the military, to reunify because such
> > > > > > > > > > > > unification is believed to be necessary and unavoidable in order to benefit the
> > > > > > > > > > > > Chinese people for the short and especially the long term.
> > > > > > > > > > > RoC - Republic of China
> > > > > > > > > > > PRC - People’s Republic of China
> > > > > > > > > > > In both references, the China refers to Mainland China and the island of Taiwan+some small islands(for short, Taiwan).
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > RoC is only meaningful to the Kuomintang. To those Taiwan Independents and its political arm DPP, they are not interested in a China that binds together the Mainland and Taiwan. They are only interested in Taiwan. They want Taiwan to be an independent political entity on its own, separated from China. A DPP government rules Taiwan as an independent nation. That’s the reality. The wordings in the Constitution may be different but that’s moot. They will be changed as DPP rule becomes more established over time.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > What about the rest of the world? There are only few remaining countries left which have diplomat relationships with Taiwan. Many more declare that they have a ‘One China’ policy. That's only in words. In reality, many of them treat Taiwan as a de facto nation, referring to it fondly and protectively as a self-ruling democracy. Those that matter include The Five Eyes, EU and Japan. That’s more than enough. These maintain political, economic and culture connections with Taiwan. They are prepared to resort to force to prevent China from taking over Taiwan by force.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > That’s the peaceful status quo. Reunification will not happen under it. Instead, it means a Taiwan which will grow more independent and separated from China. In short, there will be no Peaceful Reunification, only Peaceful Independence and Separation.
> > > > > > > > > > https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/xi-would-be-sinner-all-chinese-if-he-attacks-taiwan-security-official-says-2022-10-20/
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The Taiwanese official does not know what he is talking about. The truth is this. If Xi were to lead China to attack Taiwan, he would only be a sinner to those Taiwan Independents (TI). These traitors of their race don’t consider themselves Chinese , anyway. Why would Chinese in the world want to side with them?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The DPP government is colluding with enemies of China. It is ever ready to offer itself for use as a pawn against China.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > It is getting closer with India. https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2022/10/12/2003786875
> > > > > > > > > > It will accept more Indian immigrants into Taiwan to dilute the Chinese population there. If India were to be at war with China, the DPP government would allow Taiwan to become another front against China.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > When it comes to using Taiwan as a pawn, the US is the worst of the lot. The US is using all excuses and means to make Taiwan independent and separate from China. In the latest move, it is going to send staff and and weapon systems to Taiwan and co-produce US weapons in Taiwan with the DPP government.
> > > > > > > > > > https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/us-government-considering-joint-production-weapons-with-taiwan-nikkei-2022-10-19/
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > TI and its political arm DPP is pushing Taiwan towards war with China. The US is willing to get in the way of China-Taiwan Reunification. This makes war between the US and China inevitable.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Can China win a war with the US in order to reunify with Taiwan? Before this, is China ready for a war with the US?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > If the war has to be fought in Asia-Pacific around China’s neighborhood, then China will lose before it even start fighting. The reasons being:
> > > > > > > > > > 1. The US has a strong military presence in the Asia-Pacific with military bases close to China.
> > > > > > > > > > 2. It can further project its military might across the Pacific with its aircraft carrier fleets.
> > > > > > > > > > 3. Chinese industrial complex will be destroyed while the US’s continue to operate.
> > > > > > > > > > 4. The US military has more war experience than China’s.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Before starting a war with the US, China should establish the following preconditions for itself.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 1. military presence around US neighborhood like in the islands of the Caribbean.
> > > > > > > > > > 2. aircraft carrier fleets which can speed towards the US.
> > > > > > > > > > 3. weapons which can leapfrog or bypass those US rings-of-fires around China to attack the US mainland directly.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > This is unlikely to happen within the next 5 years. 10 years, maybe. 20 years, more likely.
> > > > > > > > > https://www.csis.org/analysis/first-battle-next-war-wargaming-chinese-invasion-taiwan
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Its a war of China against US-Taiwan-Japan. China is predicted to lose. This is not surprising. It's a wrong place and time for China.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > China is not likely to win a war against US-Taiwan-Japan if the theater of war is in Asia-Pacific. In Asia-Pacific, US military might has a heavy presence in close proximity to China. China is surrounded by US military bases some of which are in China's next-door neighbors. Already, US aircraft carriers can sail as close to China as the Taiwan Straits, unmolested. Its surveillance planes can fly close to the Chinese coast, again unmolested. Not forgetting that the current US nuclear arsenal is several times larger than that of China.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > This war game is unrealistic. It misses a very significant participant – India. The US would definitely pull in India in a Asia-Pacific War. It has prepared for this by imagining a continuous ocean from the Pacific to the Indian Ocean and call it the Indo-Pacific. Through this ruse, India, though not a Pacific nation, can get itself involve in Pacific affairs. If war were to breakout between China and US-Taiwan-Japan, the US would push India to start another front at its Himalayan border with China. The US will be disappointed. Cunning Indians would know how to play the game right. India would join in by its own accord and timing. It would wait until it is convinced that China has been thoroughly beaten and too weak to mount a counter-attack against it.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The Asia-Pacific is not the right place, and now is not the right time, for a China against US-Taiwan-Japan War.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Would China want to attack Taiwan now? US is the deciding factor. If China can take on the US alone, that will change the whole game..
> > > > > > > > > When can China take on the US alone?
> > > > > > > > > 1) It has achieved nuclear parity with the US or sufficiently close to it. From the Russia-Ukraine War, we can see how important this is for China. The US dare not get itself directly involve in the war because of Russia's nuclear might.
> > > > > > > > > 2) Chinese military might can reach closed to mainland USA.Chinese have military bases close to the US mainland. Chinese aircraft carrier and submarine fleets can exercise their "freedom-of-navigation" along both coasts of the US.
> > > > > > > > > 3) Chinese nuclear-tipped missiles can cover the whole of the US mainland from coast-to-coast.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Under this condition,
> > > > > > > > > Taiwan Independents would not be pushing for Independence..
> > > > > > > > > Most Chinese in Taiwan would opt for unity with China.
> > > > > > > > > It would scare off Japan and India too.
> > > > > > > > > In this way, China can avoid a war with the US-Taiwan-Japan without having to fire a single shot.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If there is no war, who will reap a higher dividend-of-peace, the Americans or the Chinese? Without war, China will continue its meteoric rise until it surpasses the US.
> > > > > > > > > The Americans know this - in peace China will win and in war China will lose. This is why the Americans are trying hard to push China into a trap of war. They are trying all sorts of dirty tricks. 'China Threat', 'Chinese Expansionism', 'China the regional bully', Chinese might-makes-right mentality', and other cliches and slogans are being used to demonise China and create Sinophobia among China's neighbors, especially those which have territorial disputes with China. These are convinced to militarise feverishly, with American weapons of course. Foremost in the Americans mind of dirty tricks right now is Taiwan.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The Americans are failing in pragmatism like economic development. They are selling their values to compete with China. Will the Chinese in Taiwan forget their common root, ancestry and 5000 years of history with the mainland Chinese and join in with non-Chinese to fight against their fellow Chinese? All these over some voodoo values of Western-style democracy, unbridled freedom and wanton human rights?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Ukraine today is providing a valuable lesson to the Chinese in Taiwan. The Chinese in Taiwan should ask themselves how Ukraine end up in the pathetic state that it is now. The lesson from Ukraine is crystal clear. There is no ambiguity. It is this:
> > > > > > > > > The Ukrainians were fooled by the Westerners to forget their common Slavic root, ancestry and long history with the Russians. They allow Ukraine to be used by non-Slavic powers to threaten the security of Russia. The Ukrainians are paying a very heavy price for it. They are suffering massive deaths and destruction. They have become cannon fodders in a proxy war between the West and Russia. It's not over yet. No one knows how long and how much more the Ukrainians will have to suffer.
> > > > > > > > > The Chinese in Taiwan should learn the right lessons they are getting from the Ukrainian. Westerners are using the war in Ukraine as reasons why Taiwan should fiercely resist mainland China invasion and become independent.
> > > > > > > > > https://www.ft.com/content/187c3c2f-97b2-4abe-982e-8dfba86cecec
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Will the majority Chinese in Taiwan be foolish enough to let the Westerners and their Taiwan Independents dogs lead them to the same fate as the Ukrainians are in now? Will they too suffer like the Ukrainians do now? It all depends on them.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Watch this video of the CSIS Conference.
> > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoZv_7KYMkA
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 1:16:15 A member of the audience, referring to the cost of the war in Ukraine, suggested diplomacy with China.
> > > > > > > > The mic was taken away from her. Where is the freedom of speech?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 1:17:40 One guy referred to 2027 as the 100th anniversary of PRC. None of the speakers corrected him. This shows how ignorant Americans are about China.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ordinary Americans are generally ignorant about China and only know that country through their media.The media is feeding them with misinformation, half-truth and fake news about China. As a result, the whole of US is engulfed in hatred and phobia towards China. Any American who suggests friendliness towards China is shut-up. This makes war between the two nations more likely.
> > > > > > > President Tsai Ing-wen, leader of the Taiwan Independents’ DPP will visit the US soon. Preempting her, Ma Yingjeou, ex-President of Taiwan and ex-leader of the KMT , is visiting China.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > There is a deep contrast between these two visits. It’s that of War and Peace. While Tsai is on a mission of War, Ma is on a mission of Peace. There is also a deep contrast to who and what these two politicians from Taiwan represent.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tsai Ing-wen represents those Chinese in Taiwan, so called Taiwan Independents, who want to forget their Chinese ancestry, history and culture. They want to identify themselves as belonging to a new race of Taiwanese who have adopted Western-style ideologies of democracy, freedom and human rights. In the name of these, they are prepared to go to war to kill and destroy their fellow Chinese on the Mainland.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ma Yingjeou represents those Chinese in Taiwan who never forget the common ancestry, history and culture they share with the Chinese on the Mainland. While in China, he has visited the mausoleum of Dr. Sun Yat Sen whom all Chinese recognise as the Father of Modern China.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6s088-WzGiI
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This is most symbolic of Chinese history over the last 100 years. It was ideology that caused the Chinese Kuomintang and Communists to fight and kill themselves massively until it brought about the partition of Mainland China and Taiwan, separated by a straits. Despite such unfortunate history, both sides recognise the same Founder and never forget that the Mainland and the Island of Taiwan together form One China and the people are of the same stock. Now, they are ready to reconcile their differences. They want to put aside ideologies, remember their common ancestry, history and culture and work towards Peace.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But evil forces are at work to prevent this from happening. Since the 1990s, the Americans have fomented independence and separatism among the Taiwanese. These so called Taiwan Independents are indoctrinated, organised, armed and supported by the US-led West to fight for independence and separation of the island from the mainland. Their political arm is the Democratic Progressive Party which runs the current government in Taiwan. Tsai Ing-wen is their current leader and the President of Taiwan.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On her visit to the US, Tsai Ing-wen will confer with American politicians and militarists. The politicians will advise her on how to confront the Mainland Government and expand Taiwan’s space in the international political arena while the militarists will advise her on how to prepare for war. More precisely, how she will have to prepare Taiwan as a proxy in the coming US War With China.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2024 will be a decisive year for US, China, Taiwan and the whole world. It will be an election year in both Taiwan and the US, with the one in Taiwan proceeding first. If the DPP were to win in Taiwan, the chances of War will be much increased. When this happens, it will not be only US and Taiwan against China. It will be US-led Coalition of Western and Asia-Pacific allies against China and its allies. If , by that time the war in Ukraine has not ended, the number and geographical coverage of the nations involved in wars will make it a World War 3.
> > > > > > US cannot effectively compete with China (PRC), it badly want to use ROC to compete with China.
> > > > > > Hence, it stirs things up to put stress on PRC-ROC relationship.. Ma's trip is to de-stress. And hopefully
> > > > > > find a way to improve bilateral relationship.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Don't think 2024 would be decisive.
> > > > > > The way I see it, voting should be considered harmful in general. However, 2024 election in Taiwan
> > > > > > would not really break the “不统、不独、不武” framework anytime soon. PRC leaders would never
> > > > > > give up using force but will continue to kick the can down the road as long as possible. Green ROC
> > > > > > leaders would continue to repeat their "抗中保台" election slogan under the implicit “不统、不独、不武”
> > > > > > framework.
> > > > > 2027 is the year that China has set itself to reunify with Taiwan..
> > > > Just on your say so?
> > > >
> > > > America's very successful PRESIDENT FOR LIFE had popularized the idea
> > > > of "speak softly and carry a big stick." Chinese leaders would certainly think
> > > > similarly. But then 2027, 2072 or 2023 will make no difference.
> > > > >
> > > > > This is being taken very seriously by the US. In preparation for this, the US, together with some of its Asia-Pacific allies, has already begun to set up the military might around China.
> > > > Being taken very seriously by the US means . . . ? ? ?
> > > > >
> > > > > Whichever party wins the 2024 Presidential Election, its term will overlap 2027. By then, a DPP government that insists on independence will highly increase the risk of war with China.
> > > > >
> > > > > 2027 may not be reached before war breaks out. Once the DPP wins in 2024, the US-led side will rapidly ramp up its military aid to Taiwan and its military might around China. This may provoke China to start the war.
> > > > >
> > > > > That is why 2024 is a critical year.
> > > > >
> > > > > The saving grace to all these will be a KMT victory in the Election. This will highly increase the chances of peaceful reunification.
> > > After visiting Dr. Sun Yat Sen mausoleum and the war memorial in Nanjing, Ma Yingjeou paid homage to his ancestry in Hunan.
> > >
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xn90f6E6AxA
> > > He has also stated openly that people on both sides of the strait are all Chinese belonging to one family.
> > > These are all symbolic. He is telling the world that people on both sides of the strait share a common history, ancestry and root.
> > Don't think so.
> > He is consistent. And he is a true believer and a follower of the ROC Constitution.
> > >
> > > Meanwhile, leader of the Taiwan Independents, Tsai Ing-wen is in the US to deny all these. She is working with American politicians and militarists on how to have an independent Taiwan separated from China, a people without root, only knowing how to ape the West in values.
> > >
> > > These Taiwan Independents are completely without human values.
> > Unless one indiscriminately hates China and Chinese, otherwise he or she
> > would be more discerning and not labeling all Taiwan leaders as Taiwan
> > Independents and not calling all Taiwan Independents without human
> > values as a mean to sow hatred among Chinese and misunderstanding
> > among non-Chinese.
> Taiwan ex-President Ma Yingjeou walked the night streets of Changsha. Huge crowds greeted him with “Hello, Mr. Ma. Welcome Home”.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtQvNvl7J_E
>
>
> This shows people on both sides of the strait consider themselves to be of one family. They would want to live peacefully and happily together. But this is not what the Westerners wish to see. Instead they want to see hostilities between the people on both sides of the strait until war breaks out between them. For this, they have indoctrinated some in Taiwan, the Taiwan Independents, to become independent and separated from China and to look upon Chinese as the enemies to be destroyed.
>
> These Westerners belittle politics based on relationships as Identity Politics and degrade them as primitive Tribalism. Instead they belief their versions of democracy, freedom and human rights are the modern way to go.
>
> The people in Taiwan should look at the living example of Ukraine. Under Western influence, the Slavs in Ukraine disregard their common history, ancestry and root with the Slavs in Russia. They are convinced, in the name of democracy, freedom and human rights, to fight and kill the Russians as enemies. As a result, the Ukrainians are suffering massive death and destruction, with no end in sight. While the Ukrainians suffer horribly, the Westerners, especially the Americans, are making tons of money by providing arms and “advice” to the Ukrainians.
>
> Taiwanese should kick those Taiwan Independents out of power and out of Taiwan before the island end up as Ukraine.

On Sunday, April 9, 2023 at 10:44:18 PM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 4:29:16 AM UTC, jim gavon wrote:
> > On Saturday, April 1, 2023 at 10:32:16 AM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > On Saturday, April 1, 2023 at 5:27:33 AM UTC, jim gavon wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 12:01:24 PM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 4:56:12 AM UTC, jim gavon wrote:
> > > > > > On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 6:45:02 PM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > > > On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 1:11:22 PM UTC, jim gavon wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 2:22:52 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 9:21:05 AM UTC, dosai prata wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 1:29:31 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 8:17:10 AM UTC, decadence thlon wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 10:13:22 AM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 5:29:59 PM UTC, stoney wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 11:54:23 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And they will be very disappointed. But in the long run, the US is a non issue.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > China can wait. However, China will NEVER renounce the Responsibility to reunify
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the Right to reunify by force if necessary. ROC should and would do the same
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if the situation is reversed.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > What would Taiwan do in what situation when reversed?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Not Taiwan.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Taiwan as an independent political entity does not exists, past and present.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ROC, however, exists and it exits to benefit all Chinese for both short and long
> > > > > > > > > > > > > term.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > The PRC will do everything, including the military, to reunify because such
> > > > > > > > > > > > > unification is believed to be necessary and unavoidable in order to benefit the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chinese people for the short and especially the long term.
> > > > > > > > > > > > RoC - Republic of China
> > > > > > > > > > > > PRC - People’s Republic of China
> > > > > > > > > > > > In both references, the China refers to Mainland China and the island of Taiwan+some small islands(for short, Taiwan).
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > RoC is only meaningful to the Kuomintang. To those Taiwan Independents and its political arm DPP, they are not interested in a China that binds together the Mainland and Taiwan. They are only interested in Taiwan. They want Taiwan to be an independent political entity on its own, separated from China. A DPP government rules Taiwan as an independent nation. That’s the reality. The wordings in the Constitution may be different but that’s moot. They will be changed as DPP rule becomes more established over time.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > What about the rest of the world? There are only few remaining countries left which have diplomat relationships with Taiwan. Many more declare that they have a ‘One China’ policy. That's only in words. In reality, many of them treat Taiwan as a de facto nation, referring to it fondly and protectively as a self-ruling democracy. Those that matter include The Five Eyes, EU and Japan. That’s more than enough. These maintain political, economic and culture connections with Taiwan. They are prepared to resort to force to prevent China from taking over Taiwan by force.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > That’s the peaceful status quo. Reunification will not happen under it. Instead, it means a Taiwan which will grow more independent and separated from China. In short, there will be no Peaceful Reunification, only Peaceful Independence and Separation.
> > > > > > > > > > > https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/xi-would-be-sinner-all-chinese-if-he-attacks-taiwan-security-official-says-2022-10-20/
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The Taiwanese official does not know what he is talking about. The truth is this. If Xi were to lead China to attack Taiwan, he would only be a sinner to those Taiwan Independents (TI). These traitors of their race don’t consider themselves Chinese , anyway. Why would Chinese in the world want to side with them?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The DPP government is colluding with enemies of China.. It is ever ready to offer itself for use as a pawn against China.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > It is getting closer with India. https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2022/10/12/2003786875
> > > > > > > > > > > It will accept more Indian immigrants into Taiwan to dilute the Chinese population there. If India were to be at war with China, the DPP government would allow Taiwan to become another front against China.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > When it comes to using Taiwan as a pawn, the US is the worst of the lot. The US is using all excuses and means to make Taiwan independent and separate from China. In the latest move, it is going to send staff and and weapon systems to Taiwan and co-produce US weapons in Taiwan with the DPP government.
> > > > > > > > > > > https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/us-government-considering-joint-production-weapons-with-taiwan-nikkei-2022-10-19/
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > TI and its political arm DPP is pushing Taiwan towards war with China. The US is willing to get in the way of China-Taiwan Reunification. This makes war between the US and China inevitable.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Can China win a war with the US in order to reunify with Taiwan? Before this, is China ready for a war with the US?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > If the war has to be fought in Asia-Pacific around China’s neighborhood, then China will lose before it even start fighting. The reasons being:
> > > > > > > > > > > 1. The US has a strong military presence in the Asia-Pacific with military bases close to China.
> > > > > > > > > > > 2. It can further project its military might across the Pacific with its aircraft carrier fleets.
> > > > > > > > > > > 3. Chinese industrial complex will be destroyed while the US’s continue to operate.
> > > > > > > > > > > 4. The US military has more war experience than China’s.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Before starting a war with the US, China should establish the following preconditions for itself.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 1. military presence around US neighborhood like in the islands of the Caribbean.
> > > > > > > > > > > 2. aircraft carrier fleets which can speed towards the US.
> > > > > > > > > > > 3. weapons which can leapfrog or bypass those US rings-of-fires around China to attack the US mainland directly.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > This is unlikely to happen within the next 5 years. 10 years, maybe. 20 years, more likely.
> > > > > > > > > > https://www.csis.org/analysis/first-battle-next-war-wargaming-chinese-invasion-taiwan
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Its a war of China against US-Taiwan-Japan. China is predicted to lose. This is not surprising. It's a wrong place and time for China.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > China is not likely to win a war against US-Taiwan-Japan if the theater of war is in Asia-Pacific. In Asia-Pacific, US military might has a heavy presence in close proximity to China. China is surrounded by US military bases some of which are in China's next-door neighbors. Already, US aircraft carriers can sail as close to China as the Taiwan Straits, unmolested. Its surveillance planes can fly close to the Chinese coast, again unmolested. Not forgetting that the current US nuclear arsenal is several times larger than that of China.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > This war game is unrealistic. It misses a very significant participant – India. The US would definitely pull in India in a Asia-Pacific War. It has prepared for this by imagining a continuous ocean from the Pacific to the Indian Ocean and call it the Indo-Pacific. Through this ruse, India, though not a Pacific nation, can get itself involve in Pacific affairs. If war were to breakout between China and US-Taiwan-Japan, the US would push India to start another front at its Himalayan border with China. The US will be disappointed. Cunning Indians would know how to play the game right. India would join in by its own accord and timing. It would wait until it is convinced that China has been thoroughly beaten and too weak to mount a counter-attack against it.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The Asia-Pacific is not the right place, and now is not the right time, for a China against US-Taiwan-Japan War.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Would China want to attack Taiwan now? US is the deciding factor. If China can take on the US alone, that will change the whole game.
> > > > > > > > > > When can China take on the US alone?
> > > > > > > > > > 1) It has achieved nuclear parity with the US or sufficiently close to it. From the Russia-Ukraine War, we can see how important this is for China. The US dare not get itself directly involve in the war because of Russia's nuclear might.
> > > > > > > > > > 2) Chinese military might can reach closed to mainland USA.Chinese have military bases close to the US mainland. Chinese aircraft carrier and submarine fleets can exercise their "freedom-of-navigation" along both coasts of the US.
> > > > > > > > > > 3) Chinese nuclear-tipped missiles can cover the whole of the US mainland from coast-to-coast.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Under this condition,
> > > > > > > > > > Taiwan Independents would not be pushing for Independence.
> > > > > > > > > > Most Chinese in Taiwan would opt for unity with China.
> > > > > > > > > > It would scare off Japan and India too.
> > > > > > > > > > In this way, China can avoid a war with the US-Taiwan-Japan without having to fire a single shot.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > If there is no war, who will reap a higher dividend-of-peace, the Americans or the Chinese? Without war, China will continue its meteoric rise until it surpasses the US.
> > > > > > > > > > The Americans know this - in peace China will win and in war China will lose. This is why the Americans are trying hard to push China into a trap of war. They are trying all sorts of dirty tricks. 'China Threat', 'Chinese Expansionism', 'China the regional bully', Chinese might-makes-right mentality', and other cliches and slogans are being used to demonise China and create Sinophobia among China's neighbors, especially those which have territorial disputes with China. These are convinced to militarise feverishly, with American weapons of course. Foremost in the Americans mind of dirty tricks right now is Taiwan.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The Americans are failing in pragmatism like economic development. They are selling their values to compete with China. Will the Chinese in Taiwan forget their common root, ancestry and 5000 years of history with the mainland Chinese and join in with non-Chinese to fight against their fellow Chinese? All these over some voodoo values of Western-style democracy, unbridled freedom and wanton human rights?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Ukraine today is providing a valuable lesson to the Chinese in Taiwan. The Chinese in Taiwan should ask themselves how Ukraine end up in the pathetic state that it is now. The lesson from Ukraine is crystal clear. There is no ambiguity. It is this:
> > > > > > > > > > The Ukrainians were fooled by the Westerners to forget their common Slavic root, ancestry and long history with the Russians. They allow Ukraine to be used by non-Slavic powers to threaten the security of Russia. The Ukrainians are paying a very heavy price for it. They are suffering massive deaths and destruction. They have become cannon fodders in a proxy war between the West and Russia. It's not over yet. No one knows how long and how much more the Ukrainians will have to suffer.
> > > > > > > > > > The Chinese in Taiwan should learn the right lessons they are getting from the Ukrainian. Westerners are using the war in Ukraine as reasons why Taiwan should fiercely resist mainland China invasion and become independent.
> > > > > > > > > > https://www.ft.com/content/187c3c2f-97b2-4abe-982e-8dfba86cecec
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Will the majority Chinese in Taiwan be foolish enough to let the Westerners and their Taiwan Independents dogs lead them to the same fate as the Ukrainians are in now? Will they too suffer like the Ukrainians do now? It all depends on them.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Watch this video of the CSIS Conference.
> > > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoZv_7KYMkA
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 1:16:15 A member of the audience, referring to the cost of the war in Ukraine, suggested diplomacy with China.
> > > > > > > > > The mic was taken away from her. Where is the freedom of speech?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 1:17:40 One guy referred to 2027 as the 100th anniversary of PRC. None of the speakers corrected him. This shows how ignorant Americans are about China.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Ordinary Americans are generally ignorant about China and only know that country through their media.The media is feeding them with misinformation, half-truth and fake news about China. As a result, the whole of US is engulfed in hatred and phobia towards China. Any American who suggests friendliness towards China is shut-up. This makes war between the two nations more likely.
> > > > > > > > President Tsai Ing-wen, leader of the Taiwan Independents’ DPP will visit the US soon. Preempting her, Ma Yingjeou, ex-President of Taiwan and ex-leader of the KMT , is visiting China.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > There is a deep contrast between these two visits. It’s that of War and Peace. While Tsai is on a mission of War, Ma is on a mission of Peace. There is also a deep contrast to who and what these two politicians from Taiwan represent.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Tsai Ing-wen represents those Chinese in Taiwan, so called Taiwan Independents, who want to forget their Chinese ancestry, history and culture. They want to identify themselves as belonging to a new race of Taiwanese who have adopted Western-style ideologies of democracy, freedom and human rights. In the name of these, they are prepared to go to war to kill and destroy their fellow Chinese on the Mainland.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ma Yingjeou represents those Chinese in Taiwan who never forget the common ancestry, history and culture they share with the Chinese on the Mainland. While in China, he has visited the mausoleum of Dr. Sun Yat Sen whom all Chinese recognise as the Father of Modern China.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6s088-WzGiI
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > This is most symbolic of Chinese history over the last 100 years. It was ideology that caused the Chinese Kuomintang and Communists to fight and kill themselves massively until it brought about the partition of Mainland China and Taiwan, separated by a straits. Despite such unfortunate history, both sides recognise the same Founder and never forget that the Mainland and the Island of Taiwan together form One China and the people are of the same stock. Now, they are ready to reconcile their differences. They want to put aside ideologies, remember their common ancestry, history and culture and work towards Peace.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > But evil forces are at work to prevent this from happening. Since the 1990s, the Americans have fomented independence and separatism among the Taiwanese. These so called Taiwan Independents are indoctrinated, organised, armed and supported by the US-led West to fight for independence and separation of the island from the mainland. Their political arm is the Democratic Progressive Party which runs the current government in Taiwan. Tsai Ing-wen is their current leader and the President of Taiwan.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On her visit to the US, Tsai Ing-wen will confer with American politicians and militarists. The politicians will advise her on how to confront the Mainland Government and expand Taiwan’s space in the international political arena while the militarists will advise her on how to prepare for war. More precisely, how she will have to prepare Taiwan as a proxy in the coming US War With China.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 2024 will be a decisive year for US, China, Taiwan and the whole world. It will be an election year in both Taiwan and the US, with the one in Taiwan proceeding first. If the DPP were to win in Taiwan, the chances of War will be much increased. When this happens, it will not be only US and Taiwan against China. It will be US-led Coalition of Western and Asia-Pacific allies against China and its allies. If , by that time the war in Ukraine has not ended, the number and geographical coverage of the nations involved in wars will make it a World War 3.
> > > > > > > US cannot effectively compete with China (PRC), it badly want to use ROC to compete with China.
> > > > > > > Hence, it stirs things up to put stress on PRC-ROC relationship. Ma's trip is to de-stress. And hopefully
> > > > > > > find a way to improve bilateral relationship.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Don't think 2024 would be decisive.
> > > > > > > The way I see it, voting should be considered harmful in general. However, 2024 election in Taiwan
> > > > > > > would not really break the “不统、不独、不武” framework anytime soon. PRC leaders would never
> > > > > > > give up using force but will continue to kick the can down the road as long as possible. Green ROC
> > > > > > > leaders would continue to repeat their "抗中保台" election slogan under the implicit “不统、不独、不武”
> > > > > > > framework.
> > > > > > 2027 is the year that China has set itself to reunify with Taiwan.
> > > > > Just on your say so?
> > > > >
> > > > > America's very successful PRESIDENT FOR LIFE had popularized the idea
> > > > > of "speak softly and carry a big stick." Chinese leaders would certainly think
> > > > > similarly. But then 2027, 2072 or 2023 will make no difference.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This is being taken very seriously by the US. In preparation for this, the US, together with some of its Asia-Pacific allies, has already begun to set up the military might around China.
> > > > > Being taken very seriously by the US means . . . ? ? ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Whichever party wins the 2024 Presidential Election, its term will overlap 2027. By then, a DPP government that insists on independence will highly increase the risk of war with China.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2027 may not be reached before war breaks out. Once the DPP wins in 2024, the US-led side will rapidly ramp up its military aid to Taiwan and its military might around China. This may provoke China to start the war.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That is why 2024 is a critical year.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The saving grace to all these will be a KMT victory in the Election. This will highly increase the chances of peaceful reunification.
> > > > After visiting Dr. Sun Yat Sen mausoleum and the war memorial in Nanjing, Ma Yingjeou paid homage to his ancestry in Hunan.
> > > >
> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xn90f6E6AxA
> > > > He has also stated openly that people on both sides of the strait are all Chinese belonging to one family.
> > > > These are all symbolic. He is telling the world that people on both sides of the strait share a common history, ancestry and root.
> > > Don't think so.
> > > He is consistent. And he is a true believer and a follower of the ROC Constitution.
> > > >
> > > > Meanwhile, leader of the Taiwan Independents, Tsai Ing-wen is in the US to deny all these. She is working with American politicians and militarists on how to have an independent Taiwan separated from China, a people without root, only knowing how to ape the West in values.
> > > >
> > > > These Taiwan Independents are completely without human values.
> > > Unless one indiscriminately hates China and Chinese, otherwise he or she
> > > would be more discerning and not labeling all Taiwan leaders as Taiwan
> > > Independents and not calling all Taiwan Independents without human
> > > values as a mean to sow hatred among Chinese and misunderstanding
> > > among non-Chinese.
> > Taiwan ex-President Ma Yingjeou walked the night streets of Changsha. Huge crowds greeted him with “Hello, Mr. Ma. Welcome Home”.
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtQvNvl7J_E
> >
> >
> > This shows people on both sides of the strait consider themselves to be of one family. They would want to live peacefully and happily together. But this is not what the Westerners wish to see. Instead they want to see hostilities between the people on both sides of the strait until war breaks out between them. For this, they have indoctrinated some in Taiwan, the Taiwan Independents, to become independent and separated from China and to look upon Chinese as the enemies to be destroyed.
> >
> > These Westerners belittle politics based on relationships as Identity Politics and degrade them as primitive Tribalism. Instead they belief their versions of democracy, freedom and human rights are the modern way to go.
> >
> > The people in Taiwan should look at the living example of Ukraine. Under Western influence, the Slavs in Ukraine disregard their common history, ancestry and root with the Slavs in Russia. They are convinced, in the name of democracy, freedom and human rights, to fight and kill the Russians as enemies. As a result, the Ukrainians are suffering massive death and destruction, with no end in sight. While the Ukrainians suffer horribly, the Westerners, especially the Americans, are making tons of money by providing arms and “advice” to the Ukrainians.
> >
> > Taiwanese should kick those Taiwan Independents out of power and out of Taiwan before the island end up as Ukraine.
> Ma's greatest contribution is that he reminded the world that that both the PRC and the ROC have considered both sides
> of the Strait the two regions of One China and One people.
>
> https://www.chinatimes.com/opinion/20230410000018-262110?chdtv
> "馬英九在湖南大學的演講，是以法學論點角度來闡明兩岸關係，他表示除了《中華民國憲法》
> 在1997年增修時將中國分成自由地區與大陸地區兩個部分，另外在《台灣地區與大陸地區人
> 民關係條例》第2條中，清清楚楚的定義何謂台灣地區、何謂大陸地區，台灣地區是指台灣、
> 澎湖、金門、馬祖，大陸地區是指台灣地區以外之中華民國領土。
> ...
> 馬英九說出「兩岸同屬一個中國」，絕對不僅止於自嗨或自我感覺良好。對於一向追求
> 「祖國統一」的中共而言，只要能夠完成兩岸早日統一，在任何可以促進統一的形式上都有
> 討論空間，如今馬英九提出中華民國憲法框架下的「兩岸同屬一個中國」，對於中共來說，
> 正與「兩岸統一」的終極目標一拍即合，至於要用什麼方式、制度或模式可以留到之後再談。
>
> 此外，馬英九也擁護著兩岸關係發展的定海神針「九二共識」，馬英九及國民黨對於九二
> 共識的詮釋為「兩岸都承認只有一個中國（中華民國），但各自表述」（一中各表），但
> 中共對於九二共識的看法為「世界上只有一個中國，中華人民共和國政府是代表全中國的
> 唯一合法政府，台灣是中國領土不可分割的一部分」（一個中國原則）。"

On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 5:43:02 PM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> On Sunday, April 9, 2023 at 10:44:18 PM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> > On Monday, April 3, 2023 at 4:29:16 AM UTC, jim gavon wrote:
> > > On Saturday, April 1, 2023 at 10:32:16 AM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, April 1, 2023 at 5:27:33 AM UTC, jim gavon wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 12:01:24 PM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > > On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 4:56:12 AM UTC, jim gavon wrote:
> > > > > > > On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 6:45:02 PM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 1:11:22 PM UTC, jim gavon wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 2:22:52 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 9:21:05 AM UTC, dosai prata wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 1:29:31 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 8:17:10 AM UTC, decadence thlon wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 10:13:22 AM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 5:29:59 PM UTC, stoney wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 11:54:23 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And they will be very disappointed. But in the long run, the US is a non issue.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > China can wait. However, China will NEVER renounce the Responsibility to reunify
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the Right to reunify by force if necessary. ROC should and would do the same
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if the situation is reversed.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What would Taiwan do in what situation when reversed?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not Taiwan.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Taiwan as an independent political entity does not exists, past and present.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ROC, however, exists and it exits to benefit all Chinese for both short and long
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > term.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The PRC will do everything, including the military, to reunify because such
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > unification is believed to be necessary and unavoidable in order to benefit the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chinese people for the short and especially the long term.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > RoC - Republic of China
> > > > > > > > > > > > > PRC - People’s Republic of China
> > > > > > > > > > > > > In both references, the China refers to Mainland China and the island of Taiwan+some small islands(for short, Taiwan).
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > RoC is only meaningful to the Kuomintang. To those Taiwan Independents and its political arm DPP, they are not interested in a China that binds together the Mainland and Taiwan. They are only interested in Taiwan. They want Taiwan to be an independent political entity on its own, separated from China. A DPP government rules Taiwan as an independent nation. That’s the reality. The wordings in the Constitution may be different but that’s moot. They will be changed as DPP rule becomes more established over time.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > What about the rest of the world? There are only few remaining countries left which have diplomat relationships with Taiwan. Many more declare that they have a ‘One China’ policy. That's only in words. In reality, many of them treat Taiwan as a de facto nation, referring to it fondly and protectively as a self-ruling democracy. Those that matter include The Five Eyes, EU and Japan. That’s more than enough. These maintain political, economic and culture connections with Taiwan. They are prepared to resort to force to prevent China from taking over Taiwan by force.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > That’s the peaceful status quo. Reunification will not happen under it. Instead, it means a Taiwan which will grow more independent and separated from China. In short, there will be no Peaceful Reunification, only Peaceful Independence and Separation.
> > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/xi-would-be-sinner-all-chinese-if-he-attacks-taiwan-security-official-says-2022-10-20/
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > The Taiwanese official does not know what he is talking about. The truth is this. If Xi were to lead China to attack Taiwan, he would only be a sinner to those Taiwan Independents (TI). These traitors of their race don’t consider themselves Chinese , anyway. Why would Chinese in the world want to side with them?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > The DPP government is colluding with enemies of China. It is ever ready to offer itself for use as a pawn against China.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > It is getting closer with India. https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2022/10/12/2003786875
> > > > > > > > > > > > It will accept more Indian immigrants into Taiwan to dilute the Chinese population there. If India were to be at war with China, the DPP government would allow Taiwan to become another front against China.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > When it comes to using Taiwan as a pawn, the US is the worst of the lot. The US is using all excuses and means to make Taiwan independent and separate from China. In the latest move, it is going to send staff and and weapon systems to Taiwan and co-produce US weapons in Taiwan with the DPP government.
> > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/us-government-considering-joint-production-weapons-with-taiwan-nikkei-2022-10-19/
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > TI and its political arm DPP is pushing Taiwan towards war with China. The US is willing to get in the way of China-Taiwan Reunification. This makes war between the US and China inevitable.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Can China win a war with the US in order to reunify with Taiwan? Before this, is China ready for a war with the US?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > If the war has to be fought in Asia-Pacific around China’s neighborhood, then China will lose before it even start fighting. The reasons being:
> > > > > > > > > > > > 1. The US has a strong military presence in the Asia-Pacific with military bases close to China.
> > > > > > > > > > > > 2. It can further project its military might across the Pacific with its aircraft carrier fleets.
> > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Chinese industrial complex will be destroyed while the US’s continue to operate.
> > > > > > > > > > > > 4. The US military has more war experience than China’s.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Before starting a war with the US, China should establish the following preconditions for itself.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > 1. military presence around US neighborhood like in the islands of the Caribbean.
> > > > > > > > > > > > 2. aircraft carrier fleets which can speed towards the US.
> > > > > > > > > > > > 3. weapons which can leapfrog or bypass those US rings-of-fires around China to attack the US mainland directly.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > This is unlikely to happen within the next 5 years. 10 years, maybe. 20 years, more likely.
> > > > > > > > > > > https://www.csis.org/analysis/first-battle-next-war-wargaming-chinese-invasion-taiwan
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Its a war of China against US-Taiwan-Japan. China is predicted to lose. This is not surprising. It's a wrong place and time for China.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > China is not likely to win a war against US-Taiwan-Japan if the theater of war is in Asia-Pacific. In Asia-Pacific, US military might has a heavy presence in close proximity to China. China is surrounded by US military bases some of which are in China's next-door neighbors. Already, US aircraft carriers can sail as close to China as the Taiwan Straits, unmolested. Its surveillance planes can fly close to the Chinese coast, again unmolested. Not forgetting that the current US nuclear arsenal is several times larger than that of China.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > This war game is unrealistic. It misses a very significant participant – India. The US would definitely pull in India in a Asia-Pacific War. It has prepared for this by imagining a continuous ocean from the Pacific to the Indian Ocean and call it the Indo-Pacific. Through this ruse, India, though not a Pacific nation, can get itself involve in Pacific affairs. If war were to breakout between China and US-Taiwan-Japan, the US would push India to start another front at its Himalayan border with China. The US will be disappointed. Cunning Indians would know how to play the game right. India would join in by its own accord and timing. It would wait until it is convinced that China has been thoroughly beaten and too weak to mount a counter-attack against it.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The Asia-Pacific is not the right place, and now is not the right time, for a China against US-Taiwan-Japan War.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Would China want to attack Taiwan now? US is the deciding factor. If China can take on the US alone, that will change the whole game.
> > > > > > > > > > > When can China take on the US alone?
> > > > > > > > > > > 1) It has achieved nuclear parity with the US or sufficiently close to it. From the Russia-Ukraine War, we can see how important this is for China. The US dare not get itself directly involve in the war because of Russia's nuclear might.
> > > > > > > > > > > 2) Chinese military might can reach closed to mainland USA.Chinese have military bases close to the US mainland. Chinese aircraft carrier and submarine fleets can exercise their "freedom-of-navigation" along both coasts of the US.
> > > > > > > > > > > 3) Chinese nuclear-tipped missiles can cover the whole of the US mainland from coast-to-coast.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Under this condition,
> > > > > > > > > > > Taiwan Independents would not be pushing for Independence.
> > > > > > > > > > > Most Chinese in Taiwan would opt for unity with China..
> > > > > > > > > > > It would scare off Japan and India too.
> > > > > > > > > > > In this way, China can avoid a war with the US-Taiwan-Japan without having to fire a single shot.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > If there is no war, who will reap a higher dividend-of-peace, the Americans or the Chinese? Without war, China will continue its meteoric rise until it surpasses the US.
> > > > > > > > > > > The Americans know this - in peace China will win and in war China will lose. This is why the Americans are trying hard to push China into a trap of war. They are trying all sorts of dirty tricks. 'China Threat', 'Chinese Expansionism', 'China the regional bully', Chinese might-makes-right mentality', and other cliches and slogans are being used to demonise China and create Sinophobia among China's neighbors, especially those which have territorial disputes with China. These are convinced to militarise feverishly, with American weapons of course. Foremost in the Americans mind of dirty tricks right now is Taiwan.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The Americans are failing in pragmatism like economic development. They are selling their values to compete with China. Will the Chinese in Taiwan forget their common root, ancestry and 5000 years of history with the mainland Chinese and join in with non-Chinese to fight against their fellow Chinese? All these over some voodoo values of Western-style democracy, unbridled freedom and wanton human rights?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Ukraine today is providing a valuable lesson to the Chinese in Taiwan. The Chinese in Taiwan should ask themselves how Ukraine end up in the pathetic state that it is now. The lesson from Ukraine is crystal clear. There is no ambiguity. It is this:
> > > > > > > > > > > The Ukrainians were fooled by the Westerners to forget their common Slavic root, ancestry and long history with the Russians. They allow Ukraine to be used by non-Slavic powers to threaten the security of Russia. The Ukrainians are paying a very heavy price for it. They are suffering massive deaths and destruction. They have become cannon fodders in a proxy war between the West and Russia. It's not over yet. No one knows how long and how much more the Ukrainians will have to suffer.
> > > > > > > > > > > The Chinese in Taiwan should learn the right lessons they are getting from the Ukrainian. Westerners are using the war in Ukraine as reasons why Taiwan should fiercely resist mainland China invasion and become independent.
> > > > > > > > > > > https://www.ft.com/content/187c3c2f-97b2-4abe-982e-8dfba86cecec
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Will the majority Chinese in Taiwan be foolish enough to let the Westerners and their Taiwan Independents dogs lead them to the same fate as the Ukrainians are in now? Will they too suffer like the Ukrainians do now? It all depends on them.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Watch this video of the CSIS Conference.
> > > > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoZv_7KYMkA
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 1:16:15 A member of the audience, referring to the cost of the war in Ukraine, suggested diplomacy with China.
> > > > > > > > > > The mic was taken away from her. Where is the freedom of speech?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 1:17:40 One guy referred to 2027 as the 100th anniversary of PRC. None of the speakers corrected him. This shows how ignorant Americans are about China.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Ordinary Americans are generally ignorant about China and only know that country through their media.The media is feeding them with misinformation, half-truth and fake news about China. As a result, the whole of US is engulfed in hatred and phobia towards China. Any American who suggests friendliness towards China is shut-up. This makes war between the two nations more likely.
> > > > > > > > > President Tsai Ing-wen, leader of the Taiwan Independents’ DPP will visit the US soon. Preempting her, Ma Yingjeou, ex-President of Taiwan and ex-leader of the KMT , is visiting China.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > There is a deep contrast between these two visits. It’s that of War and Peace. While Tsai is on a mission of War, Ma is on a mission of Peace. There is also a deep contrast to who and what these two politicians from Taiwan represent.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Tsai Ing-wen represents those Chinese in Taiwan, so called Taiwan Independents, who want to forget their Chinese ancestry, history and culture. They want to identify themselves as belonging to a new race of Taiwanese who have adopted Western-style ideologies of democracy, freedom and human rights. In the name of these, they are prepared to go to war to kill and destroy their fellow Chinese on the Mainland.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Ma Yingjeou represents those Chinese in Taiwan who never forget the common ancestry, history and culture they share with the Chinese on the Mainland. While in China, he has visited the mausoleum of Dr. Sun Yat Sen whom all Chinese recognise as the Father of Modern China.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6s088-WzGiI
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > This is most symbolic of Chinese history over the last 100 years. It was ideology that caused the Chinese Kuomintang and Communists to fight and kill themselves massively until it brought about the partition of Mainland China and Taiwan, separated by a straits. Despite such unfortunate history, both sides recognise the same Founder and never forget that the Mainland and the Island of Taiwan together form One China and the people are of the same stock. Now, they are ready to reconcile their differences. They want to put aside ideologies, remember their common ancestry, history and culture and work towards Peace.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > But evil forces are at work to prevent this from happening. Since the 1990s, the Americans have fomented independence and separatism among the Taiwanese. These so called Taiwan Independents are indoctrinated, organised, armed and supported by the US-led West to fight for independence and separation of the island from the mainland. Their political arm is the Democratic Progressive Party which runs the current government in Taiwan.. Tsai Ing-wen is their current leader and the President of Taiwan.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On her visit to the US, Tsai Ing-wen will confer with American politicians and militarists. The politicians will advise her on how to confront the Mainland Government and expand Taiwan’s space in the international political arena while the militarists will advise her on how to prepare for war. More precisely, how she will have to prepare Taiwan as a proxy in the coming US War With China.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 2024 will be a decisive year for US, China, Taiwan and the whole world. It will be an election year in both Taiwan and the US, with the one in Taiwan proceeding first. If the DPP were to win in Taiwan, the chances of War will be much increased. When this happens, it will not be only US and Taiwan against China. It will be US-led Coalition of Western and Asia-Pacific allies against China and its allies. If , by that time the war in Ukraine has not ended, the number and geographical coverage of the nations involved in wars will make it a World War 3.
> > > > > > > > US cannot effectively compete with China (PRC), it badly want to use ROC to compete with China.
> > > > > > > > Hence, it stirs things up to put stress on PRC-ROC relationship. Ma's trip is to de-stress. And hopefully
> > > > > > > > find a way to improve bilateral relationship.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Don't think 2024 would be decisive.
> > > > > > > > The way I see it, voting should be considered harmful in general. However, 2024 election in Taiwan
> > > > > > > > would not really break the “不统、不独、不武” framework anytime soon. PRC leaders would never
> > > > > > > > give up using force but will continue to kick the can down the road as long as possible. Green ROC
> > > > > > > > leaders would continue to repeat their "抗中保台" election slogan under the implicit “不统、不独、不武”
> > > > > > > > framework.
> > > > > > > 2027 is the year that China has set itself to reunify with Taiwan.
> > > > > > Just on your say so?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > America's very successful PRESIDENT FOR LIFE had popularized the idea
> > > > > > of "speak softly and carry a big stick." Chinese leaders would certainly think
> > > > > > similarly. But then 2027, 2072 or 2023 will make no difference.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This is being taken very seriously by the US. In preparation for this, the US, together with some of its Asia-Pacific allies, has already begun to set up the military might around China.
> > > > > > Being taken very seriously by the US means . . . ? ? ?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Whichever party wins the 2024 Presidential Election, its term will overlap 2027. By then, a DPP government that insists on independence will highly increase the risk of war with China.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2027 may not be reached before war breaks out. Once the DPP wins in 2024, the US-led side will rapidly ramp up its military aid to Taiwan and its military might around China. This may provoke China to start the war.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That is why 2024 is a critical year.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The saving grace to all these will be a KMT victory in the Election. This will highly increase the chances of peaceful reunification.
> > > > > After visiting Dr. Sun Yat Sen mausoleum and the war memorial in Nanjing, Ma Yingjeou paid homage to his ancestry in Hunan.
> > > > >
> > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xn90f6E6AxA
> > > > > He has also stated openly that people on both sides of the strait are all Chinese belonging to one family.
> > > > > These are all symbolic. He is telling the world that people on both sides of the strait share a common history, ancestry and root.
> > > > Don't think so.
> > > > He is consistent. And he is a true believer and a follower of the ROC Constitution.
> > > > >
> > > > > Meanwhile, leader of the Taiwan Independents, Tsai Ing-wen is in the US to deny all these. She is working with American politicians and militarists on how to have an independent Taiwan separated from China, a people without root, only knowing how to ape the West in values.
> > > > >
> > > > > These Taiwan Independents are completely without human values.
> > > > Unless one indiscriminately hates China and Chinese, otherwise he or she
> > > > would be more discerning and not labeling all Taiwan leaders as Taiwan
> > > > Independents and not calling all Taiwan Independents without human
> > > > values as a mean to sow hatred among Chinese and misunderstanding
> > > > among non-Chinese.
> > > Taiwan ex-President Ma Yingjeou walked the night streets of Changsha. Huge crowds greeted him with “Hello, Mr. Ma. Welcome Home”..
> > >
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtQvNvl7J_E
> > >
> > >
> > > This shows people on both sides of the strait consider themselves to be of one family. They would want to live peacefully and happily together. But this is not what the Westerners wish to see. Instead they want to see hostilities between the people on both sides of the strait until war breaks out between them. For this, they have indoctrinated some in Taiwan, the Taiwan Independents, to become independent and separated from China and to look upon Chinese as the enemies to be destroyed.
> > >
> > > These Westerners belittle politics based on relationships as Identity Politics and degrade them as primitive Tribalism. Instead they belief their versions of democracy, freedom and human rights are the modern way to go.
> > >
> > > The people in Taiwan should look at the living example of Ukraine. Under Western influence, the Slavs in Ukraine disregard their common history, ancestry and root with the Slavs in Russia. They are convinced, in the name of democracy, freedom and human rights, to fight and kill the Russians as enemies. As a result, the Ukrainians are suffering massive death and destruction, with no end in sight. While the Ukrainians suffer horribly, the Westerners, especially the Americans, are making tons of money by providing arms and “advice” to the Ukrainians.
> > >
> > > Taiwanese should kick those Taiwan Independents out of power and out of Taiwan before the island end up as Ukraine.
> > Ma's greatest contribution is that he reminded the world that that both the PRC and the ROC have considered both sides
> > of the Strait the two regions of One China and One people.
> >
> > https://www.chinatimes.com/opinion/20230410000018-262110?chdtv
> > "馬英九在湖南大學的演講，是以法學論點角度來闡明兩岸關係，他表示除了《中華民國憲法》
> > 在1997年增修時將中國分成自由地區與大陸地區兩個部分，另外在《台灣地區與大陸地區人
> > 民關係條例》第2條中，清清楚楚的定義何謂台灣地區、何謂大陸地區，台灣地區是指台灣、
> > 澎湖、金門、馬祖，大陸地區是指台灣地區以外之中華民國領土。
> > ...
> > 馬英九說出「兩岸同屬一個中國」，絕對不僅止於自嗨或自我感覺良好。對於一向追求
> > 「祖國統一」的中共而言，只要能夠完成兩岸早日統一，在任何可以促進統一的形式上都有
> > 討論空間，如今馬英九提出中華民國憲法框架下的「兩岸同屬一個中國」，對於中共來說，
> > 正與「兩岸統一」的終極目標一拍即合，至於要用什麼方式、制度或模式可以留到之後再談。
> >
> > 此外，馬英九也擁護著兩岸關係發展的定海神針「九二共識」，馬英九及國民黨對於九二
> > 共識的詮釋為「兩岸都承認只有一個中國（中華民國），但各自表述」（一中各表），但
> > 中共對於九二共識的看法為「世界上只有一個中國，中華人民共和國政府是代表全中國的
> > 唯一合法政府，台灣是中國領土不可分割的一部分」（一個中國原則）。"

On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 5:02:37 AM UTC, jim gavon wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 1:11:22 PM UTC, jim gavon wrote:
> > On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 2:22:52 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
> > > On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 9:21:05 AM UTC, dosai prata wrote:
> > > > On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 1:29:31 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 8:17:10 AM UTC, decadence thlon wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 10:13:22 AM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > > > On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 5:29:59 PM UTC, stoney wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 11:54:23 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > > > > > And they will be very disappointed. But in the long run, the US is a non issue.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > China can wait. However, China will NEVER renounce the Responsibility to reunify
> > > > > > > > > and the Right to reunify by force if necessary. ROC should and would do the same
> > > > > > > > > if the situation is reversed.
> > > > > > > > What would Taiwan do in what situation when reversed?
> > > > > > > Not Taiwan.
> > > > > > > Taiwan as an independent political entity does not exists, past and present.
> > > > > > > ROC, however, exists and it exits to benefit all Chinese for both short and long
> > > > > > > term.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The PRC will do everything, including the military, to reunify because such
> > > > > > > unification is believed to be necessary and unavoidable in order to benefit the
> > > > > > > Chinese people for the short and especially the long term.
> > > > > > RoC - Republic of China
> > > > > > PRC - People’s Republic of China
> > > > > > In both references, the China refers to Mainland China and the island of Taiwan+some small islands(for short, Taiwan).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > RoC is only meaningful to the Kuomintang. To those Taiwan Independents and its political arm DPP, they are not interested in a China that binds together the Mainland and Taiwan. They are only interested in Taiwan. They want Taiwan to be an independent political entity on its own, separated from China. A DPP government rules Taiwan as an independent nation. That’s the reality. The wordings in the Constitution may be different but that’s moot. They will be changed as DPP rule becomes more established over time.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What about the rest of the world? There are only few remaining countries left which have diplomat relationships with Taiwan. Many more declare that they have a ‘One China’ policy. That's only in words. In reality, many of them treat Taiwan as a de facto nation, referring to it fondly and protectively as a self-ruling democracy. Those that matter include The Five Eyes, EU and Japan. That’s more than enough. These maintain political, economic and culture connections with Taiwan. They are prepared to resort to force to prevent China from taking over Taiwan by force.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That’s the peaceful status quo. Reunification will not happen under it. Instead, it means a Taiwan which will grow more independent and separated from China. In short, there will be no Peaceful Reunification, only Peaceful Independence and Separation.
> > > > > https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/xi-would-be-sinner-all-chinese-if-he-attacks-taiwan-security-official-says-2022-10-20/
> > > > >
> > > > > The Taiwanese official does not know what he is talking about. The truth is this. If Xi were to lead China to attack Taiwan, he would only be a sinner to those Taiwan Independents (TI). These traitors of their race don’t consider themselves Chinese , anyway. Why would Chinese in the world want to side with them?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The DPP government is colluding with enemies of China. It is ever ready to offer itself for use as a pawn against China.
> > > > >
> > > > > It is getting closer with India. https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2022/10/12/2003786875
> > > > > It will accept more Indian immigrants into Taiwan to dilute the Chinese population there. If India were to be at war with China, the DPP government would allow Taiwan to become another front against China.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > When it comes to using Taiwan as a pawn, the US is the worst of the lot. The US is using all excuses and means to make Taiwan independent and separate from China. In the latest move, it is going to send staff and and weapon systems to Taiwan and co-produce US weapons in Taiwan with the DPP government.
> > > > > https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/us-government-considering-joint-production-weapons-with-taiwan-nikkei-2022-10-19/
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > TI and its political arm DPP is pushing Taiwan towards war with China. The US is willing to get in the way of China-Taiwan Reunification. This makes war between the US and China inevitable.
> > > > >
> > > > > Can China win a war with the US in order to reunify with Taiwan? Before this, is China ready for a war with the US?
> > > > >
> > > > > If the war has to be fought in Asia-Pacific around China’s neighborhood, then China will lose before it even start fighting. The reasons being:
> > > > > 1. The US has a strong military presence in the Asia-Pacific with military bases close to China.
> > > > > 2. It can further project its military might across the Pacific with its aircraft carrier fleets.
> > > > > 3. Chinese industrial complex will be destroyed while the US’s continue to operate.
> > > > > 4. The US military has more war experience than China’s.
> > > > >
> > > > > Before starting a war with the US, China should establish the following preconditions for itself.
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. military presence around US neighborhood like in the islands of the Caribbean.
> > > > > 2. aircraft carrier fleets which can speed towards the US.
> > > > > 3. weapons which can leapfrog or bypass those US rings-of-fires around China to attack the US mainland directly.
> > > > >
> > > > > This is unlikely to happen within the next 5 years. 10 years, maybe. 20 years, more likely.
> > > > https://www.csis.org/analysis/first-battle-next-war-wargaming-chinese-invasion-taiwan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Its a war of China against US-Taiwan-Japan. China is predicted to lose. This is not surprising. It's a wrong place and time for China.
> > > >
> > > > China is not likely to win a war against US-Taiwan-Japan if the theater of war is in Asia-Pacific. In Asia-Pacific, US military might has a heavy presence in close proximity to China. China is surrounded by US military bases some of which are in China's next-door neighbors. Already, US aircraft carriers can sail as close to China as the Taiwan Straits, unmolested. Its surveillance planes can fly close to the Chinese coast, again unmolested. Not forgetting that the current US nuclear arsenal is several times larger than that of China.
> > > >
> > > > This war game is unrealistic. It misses a very significant participant – India. The US would definitely pull in India in a Asia-Pacific War. It has prepared for this by imagining a continuous ocean from the Pacific to the Indian Ocean and call it the Indo-Pacific. Through this ruse, India, though not a Pacific nation, can get itself involve in Pacific affairs. If war were to breakout between China and US-Taiwan-Japan, the US would push India to start another front at its Himalayan border with China. The US will be disappointed. Cunning Indians would know how to play the game right. India would join in by its own accord and timing. It would wait until it is convinced that China has been thoroughly beaten and too weak to mount a counter-attack against it.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The Asia-Pacific is not the right place, and now is not the right time, for a China against US-Taiwan-Japan War.
> > > >
> > > > Would China want to attack Taiwan now? US is the deciding factor. If China can take on the US alone, that will change the whole game.
> > > > When can China take on the US alone?
> > > > 1) It has achieved nuclear parity with the US or sufficiently close to it. From the Russia-Ukraine War, we can see how important this is for China. The US dare not get itself directly involve in the war because of Russia's nuclear might.
> > > > 2) Chinese military might can reach closed to mainland USA.Chinese have military bases close to the US mainland. Chinese aircraft carrier and submarine fleets can exercise their "freedom-of-navigation" along both coasts of the US.
> > > > 3) Chinese nuclear-tipped missiles can cover the whole of the US mainland from coast-to-coast.
> > > >
> > > > Under this condition,
> > > > Taiwan Independents would not be pushing for Independence.
> > > > Most Chinese in Taiwan would opt for unity with China.
> > > > It would scare off Japan and India too.
> > > > In this way, China can avoid a war with the US-Taiwan-Japan without having to fire a single shot.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > If there is no war, who will reap a higher dividend-of-peace, the Americans or the Chinese? Without war, China will continue its meteoric rise until it surpasses the US.
> > > > The Americans know this - in peace China will win and in war China will lose. This is why the Americans are trying hard to push China into a trap of war. They are trying all sorts of dirty tricks. 'China Threat', 'Chinese Expansionism', 'China the regional bully', Chinese might-makes-right mentality', and other cliches and slogans are being used to demonise China and create Sinophobia among China's neighbors, especially those which have territorial disputes with China. These are convinced to militarise feverishly, with American weapons of course. Foremost in the Americans mind of dirty tricks right now is Taiwan.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The Americans are failing in pragmatism like economic development. They are selling their values to compete with China. Will the Chinese in Taiwan forget their common root, ancestry and 5000 years of history with the mainland Chinese and join in with non-Chinese to fight against their fellow Chinese? All these over some voodoo values of Western-style democracy, unbridled freedom and wanton human rights?
> > > >
> > > > Ukraine today is providing a valuable lesson to the Chinese in Taiwan. The Chinese in Taiwan should ask themselves how Ukraine end up in the pathetic state that it is now. The lesson from Ukraine is crystal clear. There is no ambiguity. It is this:
> > > > The Ukrainians were fooled by the Westerners to forget their common Slavic root, ancestry and long history with the Russians. They allow Ukraine to be used by non-Slavic powers to threaten the security of Russia. The Ukrainians are paying a very heavy price for it. They are suffering massive deaths and destruction. They have become cannon fodders in a proxy war between the West and Russia. It's not over yet. No one knows how long and how much more the Ukrainians will have to suffer.
> > > > The Chinese in Taiwan should learn the right lessons they are getting from the Ukrainian. Westerners are using the war in Ukraine as reasons why Taiwan should fiercely resist mainland China invasion and become independent.
> > > > https://www.ft.com/content/187c3c2f-97b2-4abe-982e-8dfba86cecec
> > > >
> > > > Will the majority Chinese in Taiwan be foolish enough to let the Westerners and their Taiwan Independents dogs lead them to the same fate as the Ukrainians are in now? Will they too suffer like the Ukrainians do now? It all depends on them.
> > >
> > > Watch this video of the CSIS Conference.
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoZv_7KYMkA
> > >
> > > 1:16:15 A member of the audience, referring to the cost of the war in Ukraine, suggested diplomacy with China.
> > > The mic was taken away from her. Where is the freedom of speech?
> > >
> > > 1:17:40 One guy referred to 2027 as the 100th anniversary of PRC. None of the speakers corrected him. This shows how ignorant Americans are about China.
> > >
> > > Ordinary Americans are generally ignorant about China and only know that country through their media.The media is feeding them with misinformation, half-truth and fake news about China. As a result, the whole of US is engulfed in hatred and phobia towards China. Any American who suggests friendliness towards China is shut-up. This makes war between the two nations more likely.
> > President Tsai Ing-wen, leader of the Taiwan Independents’ DPP will visit the US soon. Preempting her, Ma Yingjeou, ex-President of Taiwan and ex-leader of the KMT , is visiting China.
> >
> > There is a deep contrast between these two visits. It’s that of War and Peace. While Tsai is on a mission of War, Ma is on a mission of Peace. There is also a deep contrast to who and what these two politicians from Taiwan represent.
> >
> > Tsai Ing-wen represents those Chinese in Taiwan, so called Taiwan Independents, who want to forget their Chinese ancestry, history and culture. They want to identify themselves as belonging to a new race of Taiwanese who have adopted Western-style ideologies of democracy, freedom and human rights. In the name of these, they are prepared to go to war to kill and destroy their fellow Chinese on the Mainland.
> >
> >
> > Ma Yingjeou represents those Chinese in Taiwan who never forget the common ancestry, history and culture they share with the Chinese on the Mainland. While in China, he has visited the mausoleum of Dr. Sun Yat Sen whom all Chinese recognise as the Father of Modern China.
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6s088-WzGiI
> >
> > This is most symbolic of Chinese history over the last 100 years. It was ideology that caused the Chinese Kuomintang and Communists to fight and kill themselves massively until it brought about the partition of Mainland China and Taiwan, separated by a straits. Despite such unfortunate history, both sides recognise the same Founder and never forget that the Mainland and the Island of Taiwan together form One China and the people are of the same stock. Now, they are ready to reconcile their differences. They want to put aside ideologies, remember their common ancestry, history and culture and work towards Peace.
> >
> > But evil forces are at work to prevent this from happening. Since the 1990s, the Americans have fomented independence and separatism among the Taiwanese. These so called Taiwan Independents are indoctrinated, organised, armed and supported by the US-led West to fight for independence and separation of the island from the mainland. Their political arm is the Democratic Progressive Party which runs the current government in Taiwan. Tsai Ing-wen is their current leader and the President of Taiwan.
> >
> > On her visit to the US, Tsai Ing-wen will confer with American politicians and militarists. The politicians will advise her on how to confront the Mainland Government and expand Taiwan’s space in the international political arena while the militarists will advise her on how to prepare for war. More precisely, how she will have to prepare Taiwan as a proxy in the coming US War With China.
> >
> > 2024 will be a decisive year for US, China, Taiwan and the whole world. It will be an election year in both Taiwan and the US, with the one in Taiwan proceeding first. If the DPP were to win in Taiwan, the chances of War will be much increased. When this happens, it will not be only US and Taiwan against China. It will be US-led Coalition of Western and Asia-Pacific allies against China and its allies. If , by that time the war in Ukraine has not ended, the number and geographical coverage of the nations involved in wars will make it a World War 3.
> Ma Yingjeou visited the memorial for those victims of the Nanjing Massacre carried out by the Japs.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07ebyhvvTJY
>
>
> Japs colonised Taiwan for fifty years from 1895 to 1945. It carried out a full-scale invasion of Mainland China on 7/7/1937. Millions of Chinese suffered massacres, mass rapes and most heinous atrocities under Japs Imperial Rule. No Chinese should forget that.
>
> But not those Taiwan Independents. First they would shed their Chinese identity and morph into a new race of Taiwanese which means that that part of Chinese history has nothing to do with them. Next, they will collaborate with the Japs to fight against China.
>
> The Japs are preparing for this. The American obsession with the Chinese Threat has blinded them to a worse Japanese Threat. The Americans are encouraging the Japs to remilitarise. The Japs are in high heaven over this. They see it as a chance to
>
> 1. redeem the honor of their nation’s defeat during WW2 when Japs become the first nation and race of people to be nuked and
> 2. become an Imperial Power again, maybe even Global Superpower.
>
> The Japs have torn up their Pacifist Constitution and tossed it to the wind. Japan can now mount external military missions against other nations again, just like Imperial Japan during WW2. The Japs have vowed to defend Taiwan against China. The Taiwan Independents are prepared to ally with Japan, US and allies to fight against China, even if that means an invasion of the Mainland.
>
> These Taiwan Independents form a grave threat to China. The Chinese may not have the luxury to wait till 2027 to bring the Taiwan issue to a decisive end.

On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 4:29:34 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:
> On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 5:02:37 AM UTC, jim gavon wrote:
> > On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 1:11:22 PM UTC, jim gavon wrote:
> > > On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 2:22:52 AM UTC, wog wacker wrote:
> > > > On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 9:21:05 AM UTC, dosai prata wrote:
> > > > > On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 1:29:31 AM UTC, frodo sam0 wrote:
> > > > > > On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 8:17:10 AM UTC, decadence thlon wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 10:13:22 AM UTC, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 5:29:59 PM UTC, stoney wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 11:54:23 PM UTC+8, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > And they will be very disappointed. But in the long run, the US is a non issue.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > China can wait. However, China will NEVER renounce the Responsibility to reunify
> > > > > > > > > > and the Right to reunify by force if necessary. ROC should and would do the same
> > > > > > > > > > if the situation is reversed.
> > > > > > > > > What would Taiwan do in what situation when reversed?
> > > > > > > > Not Taiwan.
> > > > > > > > Taiwan as an independent political entity does not exists, past and present.
> > > > > > > > ROC, however, exists and it exits to benefit all Chinese for both short and long
> > > > > > > > term.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The PRC will do everything, including the military, to reunify because such
> > > > > > > > unification is believed to be necessary and unavoidable in order to benefit the
> > > > > > > > Chinese people for the short and especially the long term.
> > > > > > > RoC - Republic of China
> > > > > > > PRC - People’s Republic of China
> > > > > > > In both references, the China refers to Mainland China and the island of Taiwan+some small islands(for short, Taiwan).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > RoC is only meaningful to the Kuomintang. To those Taiwan Independents and its political arm DPP, they are not interested in a China that binds together the Mainland and Taiwan. They are only interested in Taiwan. They want Taiwan to be an independent political entity on its own, separated from China. A DPP government rules Taiwan as an independent nation. That’s the reality. The wordings in the Constitution may be different but that’s moot. They will be changed as DPP rule becomes more established over time.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What about the rest of the world? There are only few remaining countries left which have diplomat relationships with Taiwan. Many more declare that they have a ‘One China’ policy. That's only in words. In reality, many of them treat Taiwan as a de facto nation, referring to it fondly and protectively as a self-ruling democracy. Those that matter include The Five Eyes, EU and Japan. That’s more than enough. These maintain political, economic and culture connections with Taiwan. They are prepared to resort to force to prevent China from taking over Taiwan by force.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That’s the peaceful status quo. Reunification will not happen under it. Instead, it means a Taiwan which will grow more independent and separated from China. In short, there will be no Peaceful Reunification, only Peaceful Independence and Separation.
> > > > > > https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/xi-would-be-sinner-all-chinese-if-he-attacks-taiwan-security-official-says-2022-10-20/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Taiwanese official does not know what he is talking about. The truth is this. If Xi were to lead China to attack Taiwan, he would only be a sinner to those Taiwan Independents (TI). These traitors of their race don’t consider themselves Chinese , anyway. Why would Chinese in the world want to side with them?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The DPP government is colluding with enemies of China. It is ever ready to offer itself for use as a pawn against China.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It is getting closer with India. https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2022/10/12/2003786875
> > > > > > It will accept more Indian immigrants into Taiwan to dilute the Chinese population there. If India were to be at war with China, the DPP government would allow Taiwan to become another front against China.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > When it comes to using Taiwan as a pawn, the US is the worst of the lot. The US is using all excuses and means to make Taiwan independent and separate from China. In the latest move, it is going to send staff and and weapon systems to Taiwan and co-produce US weapons in Taiwan with the DPP government.
> > > > > > https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/us-government-considering-joint-production-weapons-with-taiwan-nikkei-2022-10-19/
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > TI and its political arm DPP is pushing Taiwan towards war with China. The US is willing to get in the way of China-Taiwan Reunification. This makes war between the US and China inevitable.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Can China win a war with the US in order to reunify with Taiwan? Before this, is China ready for a war with the US?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If the war has to be fought in Asia-Pacific around China’s neighborhood, then China will lose before it even start fighting. The reasons being:
> > > > > > 1. The US has a strong military presence in the Asia-Pacific with military bases close to China.
> > > > > > 2. It can further project its military might across the Pacific with its aircraft carrier fleets.
> > > > > > 3. Chinese industrial complex will be destroyed while the US’s continue to operate.
> > > > > > 4. The US military has more war experience than China’s..
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Before starting a war with the US, China should establish the following preconditions for itself.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1. military presence around US neighborhood like in the islands of the Caribbean.
> > > > > > 2. aircraft carrier fleets which can speed towards the US.
> > > > > > 3. weapons which can leapfrog or bypass those US rings-of-fires around China to attack the US mainland directly.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This is unlikely to happen within the next 5 years. 10 years, maybe. 20 years, more likely.
> > > > > https://www.csis.org/analysis/first-battle-next-war-wargaming-chinese-invasion-taiwan
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Its a war of China against US-Taiwan-Japan. China is predicted to lose. This is not surprising. It's a wrong place and time for China.
> > > > >
> > > > > China is not likely to win a war against US-Taiwan-Japan if the theater of war is in Asia-Pacific. In Asia-Pacific, US military might has a heavy presence in close proximity to China. China is surrounded by US military bases some of which are in China's next-door neighbors. Already, US aircraft carriers can sail as close to China as the Taiwan Straits, unmolested.. Its surveillance planes can fly close to the Chinese coast, again unmolested. Not forgetting that the current US nuclear arsenal is several times larger than that of China.
> > > > >
> > > > > This war game is unrealistic. It misses a very significant participant – India. The US would definitely pull in India in a Asia-Pacific War. It has prepared for this by imagining a continuous ocean from the Pacific to the Indian Ocean and call it the Indo-Pacific. Through this ruse, India, though not a Pacific nation, can get itself involve in Pacific affairs. If war were to breakout between China and US-Taiwan-Japan, the US would push India to start another front at its Himalayan border with China. The US will be disappointed. Cunning Indians would know how to play the game right. India would join in by its own accord and timing. It would wait until it is convinced that China has been thoroughly beaten and too weak to mount a counter-attack against it.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The Asia-Pacific is not the right place, and now is not the right time, for a China against US-Taiwan-Japan War.
> > > > >
> > > > > Would China want to attack Taiwan now? US is the deciding factor. If China can take on the US alone, that will change the whole game.
> > > > > When can China take on the US alone?
> > > > > 1) It has achieved nuclear parity with the US or sufficiently close to it. From the Russia-Ukraine War, we can see how important this is for China. The US dare not get itself directly involve in the war because of Russia's nuclear might.
> > > > > 2) Chinese military might can reach closed to mainland USA.Chinese have military bases close to the US mainland. Chinese aircraft carrier and submarine fleets can exercise their "freedom-of-navigation" along both coasts of the US.
> > > > > 3) Chinese nuclear-tipped missiles can cover the whole of the US mainland from coast-to-coast.
> > > > >
> > > > > Under this condition,
> > > > > Taiwan Independents would not be pushing for Independence.
> > > > > Most Chinese in Taiwan would opt for unity with China.
> > > > > It would scare off Japan and India too.
> > > > > In this way, China can avoid a war with the US-Taiwan-Japan without having to fire a single shot.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > If there is no war, who will reap a higher dividend-of-peace, the Americans or the Chinese? Without war, China will continue its meteoric rise until it surpasses the US.
> > > > > The Americans know this - in peace China will win and in war China will lose. This is why the Americans are trying hard to push China into a trap of war. They are trying all sorts of dirty tricks. 'China Threat', 'Chinese Expansionism', 'China the regional bully', Chinese might-makes-right mentality', and other cliches and slogans are being used to demonise China and create Sinophobia among China's neighbors, especially those which have territorial disputes with China. These are convinced to militarise feverishly, with American weapons of course. Foremost in the Americans mind of dirty tricks right now is Taiwan.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The Americans are failing in pragmatism like economic development.. They are selling their values to compete with China. Will the Chinese in Taiwan forget their common root, ancestry and 5000 years of history with the mainland Chinese and join in with non-Chinese to fight against their fellow Chinese? All these over some voodoo values of Western-style democracy, unbridled freedom and wanton human rights?
> > > > >
> > > > > Ukraine today is providing a valuable lesson to the Chinese in Taiwan. The Chinese in Taiwan should ask themselves how Ukraine end up in the pathetic state that it is now. The lesson from Ukraine is crystal clear. There is no ambiguity. It is this:
> > > > > The Ukrainians were fooled by the Westerners to forget their common Slavic root, ancestry and long history with the Russians. They allow Ukraine to be used by non-Slavic powers to threaten the security of Russia. The Ukrainians are paying a very heavy price for it. They are suffering massive deaths and destruction. They have become cannon fodders in a proxy war between the West and Russia. It's not over yet. No one knows how long and how much more the Ukrainians will have to suffer.
> > > > > The Chinese in Taiwan should learn the right lessons they are getting from the Ukrainian. Westerners are using the war in Ukraine as reasons why Taiwan should fiercely resist mainland China invasion and become independent.
> > > > > https://www.ft.com/content/187c3c2f-97b2-4abe-982e-8dfba86cecec
> > > > >
> > > > > Will the majority Chinese in Taiwan be foolish enough to let the Westerners and their Taiwan Independents dogs lead them to the same fate as the Ukrainians are in now? Will they too suffer like the Ukrainians do now? It all depends on them.
> > > >
> > > > Watch this video of the CSIS Conference.
> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoZv_7KYMkA
> > > >
> > > > 1:16:15 A member of the audience, referring to the cost of the war in Ukraine, suggested diplomacy with China.
> > > > The mic was taken away from her. Where is the freedom of speech?
> > > >
> > > > 1:17:40 One guy referred to 2027 as the 100th anniversary of PRC. None of the speakers corrected him. This shows how ignorant Americans are about China.
> > > >
> > > > Ordinary Americans are generally ignorant about China and only know that country through their media.The media is feeding them with misinformation, half-truth and fake news about China. As a result, the whole of US is engulfed in hatred and phobia towards China. Any American who suggests friendliness towards China is shut-up. This makes war between the two nations more likely.
> > > President Tsai Ing-wen, leader of the Taiwan Independents’ DPP will visit the US soon. Preempting her, Ma Yingjeou, ex-President of Taiwan and ex-leader of the KMT , is visiting China.
> > >
> > > There is a deep contrast between these two visits. It’s that of War and Peace. While Tsai is on a mission of War, Ma is on a mission of Peace. There is also a deep contrast to who and what these two politicians from Taiwan represent.
> > >
> > > Tsai Ing-wen represents those Chinese in Taiwan, so called Taiwan Independents, who want to forget their Chinese ancestry, history and culture. They want to identify themselves as belonging to a new race of Taiwanese who have adopted Western-style ideologies of democracy, freedom and human rights. In the name of these, they are prepared to go to war to kill and destroy their fellow Chinese on the Mainland.
> > >
> > >
> > > Ma Yingjeou represents those Chinese in Taiwan who never forget the common ancestry, history and culture they share with the Chinese on the Mainland. While in China, he has visited the mausoleum of Dr. Sun Yat Sen whom all Chinese recognise as the Father of Modern China.
> > >
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6s088-WzGiI
> > >
> > > This is most symbolic of Chinese history over the last 100 years. It was ideology that caused the Chinese Kuomintang and Communists to fight and kill themselves massively until it brought about the partition of Mainland China and Taiwan, separated by a straits. Despite such unfortunate history, both sides recognise the same Founder and never forget that the Mainland and the Island of Taiwan together form One China and the people are of the same stock. Now, they are ready to reconcile their differences. They want to put aside ideologies, remember their common ancestry, history and culture and work towards Peace.
> > >
> > > But evil forces are at work to prevent this from happening. Since the 1990s, the Americans have fomented independence and separatism among the Taiwanese. These so called Taiwan Independents are indoctrinated, organised, armed and supported by the US-led West to fight for independence and separation of the island from the mainland. Their political arm is the Democratic Progressive Party which runs the current government in Taiwan. Tsai Ing-wen is their current leader and the President of Taiwan.
> > >
> > > On her visit to the US, Tsai Ing-wen will confer with American politicians and militarists. The politicians will advise her on how to confront the Mainland Government and expand Taiwan’s space in the international political arena while the militarists will advise her on how to prepare for war. More precisely, how she will have to prepare Taiwan as a proxy in the coming US War With China.
> > >
> > > 2024 will be a decisive year for US, China, Taiwan and the whole world. It will be an election year in both Taiwan and the US, with the one in Taiwan proceeding first. If the DPP were to win in Taiwan, the chances of War will be much increased. When this happens, it will not be only US and Taiwan against China. It will be US-led Coalition of Western and Asia-Pacific allies against China and its allies. If , by that time the war in Ukraine has not ended, the number and geographical coverage of the nations involved in wars will make it a World War 3.
> > Ma Yingjeou visited the memorial for those victims of the Nanjing Massacre carried out by the Japs.
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07ebyhvvTJY
> >
> >
> > Japs colonised Taiwan for fifty years from 1895 to 1945. It carried out a full-scale invasion of Mainland China on 7/7/1937. Millions of Chinese suffered massacres, mass rapes and most heinous atrocities under Japs Imperial Rule. No Chinese should forget that.
> >
> > But not those Taiwan Independents. First they would shed their Chinese identity and morph into a new race of Taiwanese which means that that part of Chinese history has nothing to do with them. Next, they will collaborate with the Japs to fight against China.
> >
> > The Japs are preparing for this. The American obsession with the Chinese Threat has blinded them to a worse Japanese Threat. The Americans are encouraging the Japs to remilitarise. The Japs are in high heaven over this. They see it as a chance to
> >
> > 1. redeem the honor of their nation’s defeat during WW2 when Japs become the first nation and race of people to be nuked and
> > 2. become an Imperial Power again, maybe even Global Superpower.
> >
> > The Japs have torn up their Pacifist Constitution and tossed it to the wind. Japan can now mount external military missions against other nations again, just like Imperial Japan during WW2. The Japs have vowed to defend Taiwan against China. The Taiwan Independents are prepared to ally with Japan, US and allies to fight against China, even if that means an invasion of the Mainland.
> >
> > These Taiwan Independents form a grave threat to China. The Chinese may not have the luxury to wait till 2027 to bring the Taiwan issue to a decisive end.
> the DPP's candidate for the coming Taiwan Presidential Election is visiting the US. This is the usual practice in the past. All Presidential candidates have visited the US. Why? To be anointed by the US President as Taiwan's next President. This shows how beholden Taiwanese leadership is to the US..
> The KMT should not follow suit. It will instead use the visit against the DPP in the campaign.