Now announced by the BBC.:(

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

On 09/08/2022 02:33 PM, Louis Epstein wrote:
> Now announced by the BBC.:(
>
> -=-=-

And now the infighting begins.

In article <tfdbaj$1kd7$1@gioia.aioe.org>,
Guilty Bastard <ididit@getaway.car> wrote:
>On 09/08/2022 02:33 PM, Louis Epstein wrote:
>> Now announced by the BBC.:(
>>
>> -=-=-
>
>And now the infighting begins.

Indeed.

But do note that, right now, as I am typing this, Charles is the King of
England.

Assuming, of course, that the news is accurate. If this were the US, of
course, half the population would already be screaming "Fake News!".

--
When someone tells me he/she is a Christian I check to see if I'm
still in possession of my wallet.

ELIZABETH II, By the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and of Her Other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith, died at Balmoral Castle, Deeside, 8 September, 2022, aged 96. Her Majesty had reigned for 70 years.

https://peeragenews.blogspot.com/2022/09/her-majesty-queen-elizabeth-ii-1926-2022.html

Her Majesty Elizabeth Alexandra Mary, elder daughter of His l;ate Majesty King George VI and of Lady Elizabeth Angela Marguerite Bowes Lyon (Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother) , daughter of the 14th Earl of Strathmore & Kinghorne.

Her Majesty was born at 17, Bruton Street, London SW1, 21 April, 1926; she ascended the Throne, 6 February, 1952, proclaimed QUEEN, 8 February, 1952, and crowned at Westminster Abbey, 2 June, 1953; declared in Council 9 April, 1952, that she and her children would be known as the House and Family of WINDSOR, and further 8 February, 1960, that her descendants, other than descendants enjoying the style, title, or attribute of HRH and the titular of Prince or Princess, and female descendants who marry, and their descendants shall bear the name of Mountbatten-Windsor; &c.

Honours : Hon BMus, London 1946; FRS, 1947; Hon DCL, Oxford, 1948; Hon LLD, Edinburgh; Hon MusD, Wales, 1949; Hon LLD, London, 1951; Hon FRCS and FRCOG 1951; was Lord High Admiral of the United Kingdom; Colonel-in-Chief: of the Life Guards, Blues and Royals (Royal Horse Guards and 1st Dragoons); Royal Scots Dragoon Guards (Carabiniers & Greys), The Queen's Royal Lancers, the Royal Tank Regiment, Royal Engineers, Grenadier Guards, Coldstream Guards, Scots Guards, Irish Guards, Welsh Guards, Royal Welch Fusiliers, Queen's Lancashire Regiment, Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders (Princess Louise's), Royal Green Jackets, Adjutant Gen Corps, The Royal Mercian and Lancastrian Yeomary, Corps of the Royal Military Police, Calgary Highlanders, Canadian Forces Mil Engineers Branch, King's Own Calgary Regt, Gov-Gen's Foot Guards, Canadian Grenadier Guards, le Regiment de la Chaudiere, R New Brunswick Rgt, 48th Highlanders of Canada, Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders of Canada (Princess Louise's), Royal Australian Engineers, Royal Aust Inf Corps, Royal Australian Army Ordnance Corps, R Australian Army Nursing Corps, RNZ Engineers, RNZ Inf Regt, RNZ Army Ordnance Corps, Malawi Rifles, R Malta Artillery, Capt-Gen Royal Artillery, Hon Artillery Co, Combined Cadet Force, Royal Candadian Artillery, Royal Observer Corps, Royal Canadian Air Force Aux, Aust Citizens Air Force, Territorial Air Force of New Zealand; Hon Air Commodore RAF Marham; Commandant-in-Chief, RAF College Cranwell; Hon Commr Royal Canadian Mounted Police; Master of the Merchant Navy and Fishing Fleets, Head of the Civil Defence Corps.

Her Majesty was Sovereign of all the Orders of Knighthood, Order of Merit, Royal Order of Victoria and Albert, Order of the Crown of India, Order of the Companions of Honour, Distinguished Service Order, Imperial Service Order, and Order of Canada, Sovereign Head of the Order of the Hospital of St John of Jerusalem, Order of Australia, and The Queen's Service Order of New Zealand, ; she received the Freedom of the Drapers' Co, and the Royal Borough of Windsor, 1947, Burgess of the Royal Borough of Stirling, and Cities of London and Cardiff 1948, and Cities of Edinburgh and Belfast 1949; Order of the Elephant of Denmark 1947, Grand Cordon of the Order of El Kemal of Egypt 1948, Grand Cross (or Cordon) Legion of Honour of France 1948, Order of Ojaswi Rajanya of Nepal1949, Grand Cross of the Order of the Netherlands Lion 1950, Order of the Seraphim of Sweden 1953, Grand Collar of the Order of Manuel Amador Guerrero of Panama 1953, Chain of the Order of El-Hussein Ibn Ali of Jordan 1953, Grand Collar of the Order of Idris of Libya 1954, Chain and Collar of the Order of the Seal of Solonon of Ethiopia 1954, Grand Cross, with Chain, of the Order of St Olav of Norway 1955, Grand Sash with Cross of the Three Orders of Christ, Aviz and Santiago of Portugal 1955, Grand Order of the Hashimi, with Chain, of Iraq 1956, Chevalier with Grand Cross and Grand Cordon of the Order of Merit of the Republic of Italy 1958, Special Grand Cross with Star of the Order of Merit of the Federal Republic of Germany 1958, Grand Cross with diamonds of the Order of the Peruvian Sun 1960, Nishan-i-Pakistan 1960, Grand Collar of the Order of the Liberator General San Martin of Argentina 1960, Order of the Royal House of Chakri of Thailand 1960, Mahendra Chain of Nepal 1961, Grand Collar of the Order of Independence of Tunisia 1961, Collar of the Order of White Rose of Finland 1961, Grand Cross of the Order of Senegal 1961, Grand Cordon of the Order of Knighthood of the Pioneers of the Republic of Liberia 1961, Grand Cross of the National Order of the Ivory Coast 1961, Collar and Grand Cordon of the Order of the Chrysanthemum of Japan 1962, Grand Band of the Order of the Star of Africa of Liberia 1962, Grand Cross of the Order de la Valeur Camerounaise 1963, Grand Cordon of the Order of Leopold of Belgium 1963, Grand Cross of the Order of the Redeemer of Greece 1963, Grand Cross with Chain of the Order of the Falcon of Iceland 1963, Chain of Honour of Sudan 1964, Grand Collar of the Order of Merit of Chile 1965, Grand Cordon of the Austrian Order of Merit 1966, Grand Cordon of the Southern Cross of Brazil 1968, Grand Commander of the National Order of The Niger [Nigeria] 1969, Order of Al Nahayyan (First Class) of Abu Dhabi 1969, Grand Cross of the Equatorial Star of Gabon, Order of the Supreme Sun of Afghanistan 1971, Order of the Golden Lion of the House of Nassau of Luxembourg 1972, Order of the Great Yugoslav Star 1972, Darjah Utama Seri Mahkota Negara of Malaysia 1972, Order of Temasek of Singapore 1972, Most Esteemed Family Order (1st Class)Darjat Kerabat Yan Amat Di-Homali Darjah Pertama of Brunei 1972, Distinguished Order of Ghaazi in the Maldive Islands 1972, Order of the Golden Heart of Kenya 1972, Grand Collar of the National Order of the Aztec Eagle of Mexico 1973, Grand Cordon of the National Order of the Lepoard of Zaire 1973, Star of Indonesia (First Class) 1974, Grand Commander of the Order of the Republic of Gambia 1974, Chain of the Order of the Seraphin of Sweden 1975, Collar of the Order of the Nile of Egypt 1975, Order of the Star of the Socialist Republic of Romania 1st Class 1978, Great Collar of the Order of St Tiago da Espada of Portugal 1978, Necklace of Mubarak Al Kabir of Kuwait 1979, Order of the Khalifa Necklace of Bahrain 1979, Collar of the Order of King Abdul Aziz of Saudi Arabia 1979, Collar of Independence of Qatar 1979, Order of Oman 1st Class 1979, Order of the Lion of Malawi 1st Class 1979, Presidential Order of Botswana 1979, Collar of the Grand Cordon of the Most Venerable Order of Knighthood of the Pioneers of the Republic of Liberia 1979, Grand Cordon of the Order of the Republic of Tunisia 1980, Collar de la Classe Exceptionelle of the Order of El Mohammedi of Morocco 1980, Order of Al Said of Oman 1982, Order of the Solomon Islands 1st Class 1982, and additional insignia (sash and badge) of the Order of Qeladet El-Hussein Ibn Ali ( Jordan) 1984, Dominica Award of Honour 1985, The Trinity Cross Medal of the Order of Trinity (TC) (Gold) of Trinidad and Tobago 1985, Collar of the Order of Carlos III of Spain 1986, Grand Order of Mungunghwa of the Republic of Korea 1986, Order of the Golden Fleece of Spain 1988, Grand Star of the Federal Republic of Nigeria 1989, Chain of the Federation of the United Arab Emirates 1989, Grand Ribbon of the Order of Merit of the Republic of Poland 1991, Grand Cross of the Order of Merit(Hungary) 1991, Royal Family Order of the Sultan of Brunei 1992, Brunei Silver Jubilee Medal 1992, Grand Collar of the Order of Boyaca (Colombia) 1993, just to name a few.

Her majesty married at Westminster Abbey, 20 November, 1947, HRH The Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, KG, KT, OM, GBE, AC, QSO, PC, [born at Corfu, 10 June 1921- died at Windsor Castle, 9 April, 2021, aged 99].

Her Majesty is survived by her four children:-

His Majesty King Charles III [born 14 November, 1948], HRH Tyhe Princess Royal [born 15 Aug, 1950], HRH The Duke of York [born 19 February, 1960], and HRH The Earl of Wessex & Forfar [born 10 March, 1964].

-=-

On Thu, 8 Sep 2022 13:17:44 -0700 (PDT), Michael Rhodes
<mig73allenford2002@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>ELIZABETH II, By the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and of Her Other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith, died at Balmoral Castle, Deeside, 8 September, 2022, aged 96. Her Majesty had reigned for 70 years.
>
>https://peeragenews.blogspot.com/2022/09/her-majesty-queen-elizabeth-ii-1926-2022.html

>Her Majesty was
[snip]
>just to name a few.

I think saying that she was queen and putting a period there would be
more respectful than listing a hundred other titles and honors that
are a thousandth as important. The longer the job title, the less
prestigious the job. The more words that make up the name of the
honor, the less of an honor it is.

David Carson

In article <qslkhhl8nu4ti0m2asaeeekr0dmllukg5e@4ax.com>, David Carson
<davidc@wa-wd.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 8 Sep 2022 13:17:44 -0700 (PDT), Michael Rhodes
> <mig73allenford2002@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >ELIZABETH II, By the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain
> >and Northern Ireland, and of Her Other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of
> >the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith, died at Balmoral Castle, Deeside, 8
> >September, 2022, aged 96. Her Majesty had reigned for 70 years.
> >
>
> >>https://peeragenews.blogspot.com/2022/09/her-majesty-queen-elizabeth-ii-1926-
> >2022.html
>
> >Her Majesty was
> [snip]
> >just to name a few.
>
> I think saying that she was queen and putting a period there would be
> more respectful than listing a hundred other titles and honors that
> are a thousandth as important. The longer the job title, the less
> prestigious the job. The more words that make up the name of the
> honor, the less of an honor it is.
>
> David Carson

Well said.

I am surprised Charles is using his birth name as his royal name. I thought the name Charles would be retired like that of John due to horrible personalities.

The first Charles was such an autocrat that his people cut his head off. More English died during Charles 1's reign than in anytime in English history.

The second Charles was a traitor king. Charles 2 received a secret stipend from Britain's enemy French King Louis 14. In return for the money, Charles 2 was to do everything in his power to keep Britain from going to war with France and protect Catholic interests in anti-Catholic Britain.

The present Charles is a prostate polisher of the WEF's Claus Schawb and Charles support's the WEF's New World Order agenda. For Charles 3, the interests of the globalist agenda are far more important than the interests of Great Britain.

It may be a blessing that QE2 passed when she did as her sons Charles and Andrew are about to be exposed of their activities with folks too young.

On Thursday, September 8, 2022 at 9:38:45 PM UTC-4, Tommie Hicks wrote:
> I am surprised Charles is using his birth name as his royal name. I thought the name Charles would be retired like that of John due to horrible personalities.

How come no member of UK royalty gets named Alfred?

(Or have there been a few that we don't hear about?)

It's been said that in a long marriage, it's not unusual for a spouse to die pretty soon after the other's death.

(Elizabeth lived for well over a year after Philip's death - a good deal longer than Richard Nixon did after Pat's death - he only outlived Pat by 10 months.)

And Charles will likely live to be 90, at least, given his parents' and his maternal grandmother's longevity. Not to mention that he's as fierce an anti-smoker as his grandfather was a chain smoker.

Lenona <lenona321@yahoo.com> wrote:
> It's been said that in a long marriage, it's not unusual for a spouse to die pretty soon after the other's death.
>
> (Elizabeth lived for well over a year after Philip's death - a good deal
> longer than Richard Nixon did after Pat's death - he only outlived Pat by 10
> months.)
>
> And Charles will likely live to be 90, at least, given his parents' and his
> maternal grandmother's longevity. Not to mention that he's as fierce an
> anti-smoker as his grandfather was a chain smoker.

The four Kings between Queen Victoria and Queen Elizabeth II all died
after tobacco-shortened lives (the one who abdicated lived the longest
but had he not the stress of the job might have done him in sooner).
If Charles lives to be 90 he will break his mother's record for longest
combined time as monarch and as first-in-line (Feb 1952-Nov 2038 beats
Dec 1936-Sep 2022).

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

Lenona <lenona321@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, September 8, 2022 at 9:38:45 PM UTC-4, Tommie Hicks wrote:
>> I am surprised Charles is using his birth name as his royal name. I thought
> the name Charles would be retired like that of John due to horrible
> personalities.

King Edward I's eldest son (1266-1271),
King Edward II's second son(1316-1336),
King Edward III's fourth son (1340-1399),
King Henry IV's second son(1389-1435),
and King George V's youngest (1905-1919) were named John.
>
> How come no member of UK royalty gets named Alfred?
>
> (Or have there been a few that we don't hear about?)

Queen Victoria's second son (1844-1900) and his son(1874-1899);
King George III's ninth son (1780-1782).

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 5:02:39 AM UTC-4, Louis Epstein wrote:
> King Edward I's eldest son (1266-1271),

Now THAT surprises me. Why did he want to name him John?!

Anyway, with regard to the three Alfreds, none of them was a direct heir, which is what I was referring to. Why would there be any aversion to the name?
(In the same vein, I'm not surprised that William and Kate didn't name their first son Louis - for one thing, I suspect that would have been "too French.")

Have there been any UK princes named Christopher, btw? I would love it if there were.

On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 5:02:39 AM UTC-4, Louis Epstein wrote:
> Lenona <leno...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Thursday, September 8, 2022 at 9:38:45 PM UTC-4, Tommie Hicks wrote:
> >> I am surprised Charles is using his birth name as his royal name. I thought
> > the name Charles would be retired like that of John due to horrible
> > personalities.
> King Edward I's eldest son (1266-1271),
> King Edward II's second son(1316-1336),
> King Edward III's fourth son (1340-1399),
> King Henry IV's second son(1389-1435),
> and King George V's youngest (1905-1919) were named John.
> >
> > How come no member of UK royalty gets named Alfred?
> >
> > (Or have there been a few that we don't hear about?)
> Queen Victoria's second son (1844-1900) and his son(1874-1899);
> King George III's ninth son (1780-1782).
> -=-=-
> The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
> at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

I meant retired as a name for a king. Edward 8 was actually Albert as was his grandfather Edward 7.

In the meantime:

The British poet/playwright Eleanor Farjeon (winner of the Carnegie Medal and, in 1956, the winner of the very first Hans Christian Andersen Medal) wrote a book of rhymes in 1932, with her brother Herbert Farjeon. It was illustrated in color by Herbert's sister-in-law, Rosalind Thornycroft.

Title: Kings and Queens. (It was revised in 1953.)

Each left-hand page has a rhyme; each right-hand page has a full-page illustration of the monarch in question.

Queen Victoria has one of the longest rhymes - about 200 words. (Can you call it a rhyme when it's that long - I'm not sure.)

Anyway, I think E. 2 had the shortest. (E. 1's rhyme was about 100 words, if you're interested.)

Of course, that makes sense, given the date.

"So the queens come: and so the kings go,
And what they were like we shall never quite know,
Till history's mystery comes to a close,
And here is the Queen that every one knows."

If you like, here's the first half for William IV (reigned 1830-1837):

"Yo ho ho, my hearties!
Hark! the seamen sing!
With a bottle of rum
For Will-i-um (sic)
The Fourth, our Sailor King!

"Set him in the crow's nest,
A spy-glass to his eye,
And there ain't no brig,
Be she little or big,
Will pass our William by!..."

Henry VIII got about 175 words.

Last verse:

"...Sixth and last came Catherine Parr,
Sixth and last and luckiest far -
For this time it was Henry who
Hopped the twig, and a good job too."

Lenona <lenona321@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 5:02:39 AM UTC-4, Louis Epstein wrote:
>
>> King Edward I's eldest son (1266-1271),
>
> Now THAT surprises me. Why did he want to name him John?!

Edward named his first son John after his grandfather(he never knew),
his second son Henry after his father,
his third son Alphonso after his wife's grandfather(she never knew)
and half-brother.
Edward II was the youngest son of Edward I's first marriage,just happened
to survive all the others...the Edward-Edward-Edward sequence was
not planned from the beginning.
> Anyway, with regard to the three Alfreds, none of them was a direct heir,
> which is what I was referring to. Why would there be any aversion to the name?

Aside from Edward,I don't think any pre-Conquest name ever
got re-used for heirs,put it down to Norman-vs-Saxon snobbery.
> (In the same vein, I'm not surprised that William and Kate didn't name their first son Louis - for one thing, I suspect that would have been "too French.")
>
> Have there been any UK princes named Christopher, btw? I would love it if
> there were.

Can't think of any.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

Tommie Hicks <tommie.hicks303@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 5:02:39 AM UTC-4, Louis Epstein wrote:
>> Lenona <leno...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > On Thursday, September 8, 2022 at 9:38:45 PM UTC-4, Tommie Hicks wrote:
>> >> I am surprised Charles is using his birth name as his royal name. I thought
>> > the name Charles would be retired like that of John due to horrible
>> > personalities.
>> King Edward I's eldest son (1266-1271),
>> King Edward II's second son(1316-1336),
>> King Edward III's fourth son (1340-1399),
>> King Henry IV's second son(1389-1435),
>> and King George V's youngest (1905-1919) were named John.
>> >
>> > How come no member of UK royalty gets named Alfred?
>> >
>> > (Or have there been a few that we don't hear about?)
>> Queen Victoria's second son (1844-1900) and his son(1874-1899);
>> King George III's ninth son (1780-1782).
>
> I meant retired as a name for a king. Edward 8 was actually Albert as was
> his grandfather Edward 7.

Edward VII was "Albert Edward",his eldest son "Albert Victor",
Queen Victoria wanted all future Kings to be "Albert something"
in memory of THE Albert,but Edward VIII was actually "Edward
Albert Christian George Andrew Patrick David",it was his brother
George VI who had "Albert" as a first name (while their brother
the Duke of Kent had "George" as a first name and was known as
"Prince George",it was Prince Albert Frederick Arthur George
who chose to be KING George despite being known as "Prince Albert"),
Edward was formally "Prince Edward" and then King Edward but known
as "David" to friends...it annoys me to see today's Prince Henry
called "Harry" by those who are NOT intimates but apparently that
was Diana's idea.To me,"Harry" should be a nickname for a "Harold"
(another name not reused after the Conquest) but it gets used for
Henrys thanks to the Norman "Henri" legacy.

>> -=-=-
>> The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
>> at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

On Saturday, 10 September 2022 at 01:57:15 UTC+9:30, Louis Epstein wrote:
> Tommie Hicks <tommie....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 5:02:39 AM UTC-4, Louis Epstein wrote:
> >> Lenona <leno...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> > On Thursday, September 8, 2022 at 9:38:45 PM UTC-4, Tommie Hicks wrote:
> >> >> I am surprised Charles is using his birth name as his royal name. I thought
> >> > the name Charles would be retired like that of John due to horrible
> >> > personalities.
> >> King Edward I's eldest son (1266-1271),
> >> King Edward II's second son(1316-1336),
> >> King Edward III's fourth son (1340-1399),
> >> King Henry IV's second son(1389-1435),
> >> and King George V's youngest (1905-1919) were named John.
> >> >
> >> > How come no member of UK royalty gets named Alfred?
> >> >
> >> > (Or have there been a few that we don't hear about?)
> >> Queen Victoria's second son (1844-1900) and his son(1874-1899);
> >> King George III's ninth son (1780-1782).
> >
> > I meant retired as a name for a king. Edward 8 was actually Albert as was
> > his grandfather Edward 7.
> Edward VII was "Albert Edward",his eldest son "Albert Victor",
> Queen Victoria wanted all future Kings to be "Albert something"
> in memory of THE Albert,but Edward VIII was actually "Edward
> Albert Christian George Andrew Patrick David",it was his brother
> George VI who had "Albert" as a first name (while their brother
> the Duke of Kent had "George" as a first name and was known as
> "Prince George",it was Prince Albert Frederick Arthur George
> who chose to be KING George despite being known as "Prince Albert"),
> Edward was formally "Prince Edward" and then King Edward but known
> as "David" to friends...it annoys me to see today's Prince Henry
> called "Harry" by those who are NOT intimates but apparently that
> was Diana's idea.To me,"Harry" should be a nickname for a "Harold"
> (another name not reused after the Conquest) but it gets used for
> Henrys thanks to the Norman "Henri" legacy.
> >> -=-=-
> >> The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
> >> at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

"God cry for Harry, England and St George". The "Harry" in question was Henry V, as per the play of the same name by William Shakespeare. So it seems that "Harry" has for a long time been a nick name form of "Henry".
..

Thanks for citing that very interesting line from "Henry V", Meteorie!

Now, I'm sure I would myself have taken note of it as well the first time I read (or watch a troupe perform) the play. (Which of course would all but certainly have been never--even should I surpass the age of, oh, I dunno, 96 say.)

But I'm gonna remember it now!

BRYAN STYBLE/Florida

Meteorite Debris <peter.gregory.kelly@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Saturday, 10 September 2022 at 01:57:15 UTC+9:30, Louis Epstein wrote:
>> Tommie Hicks <tommie....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 5:02:39 AM UTC-4, Louis Epstein wrote:
>> >> Lenona <leno...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> > On Thursday, September 8, 2022 at 9:38:45 PM UTC-4, Tommie Hicks wrote:
>> >> >> I am surprised Charles is using his birth name as his royal name. I thought
>> >> > the name Charles would be retired like that of John due to horrible
>> >> > personalities.
>> >> King Edward I's eldest son (1266-1271),
>> >> King Edward II's second son(1316-1336),
>> >> King Edward III's fourth son (1340-1399),
>> >> King Henry IV's second son(1389-1435),
>> >> and King George V's youngest (1905-1919) were named John.
>> >> >
>> >> > How come no member of UK royalty gets named Alfred?
>> >> >
>> >> > (Or have there been a few that we don't hear about?)
>> >> Queen Victoria's second son (1844-1900) and his son(1874-1899);
>> >> King George III's ninth son (1780-1782).
>> >
>> > I meant retired as a name for a king. Edward 8 was actually Albert as was
>> > his grandfather Edward 7.
>> Edward VII was "Albert Edward",his eldest son "Albert Victor",
>> Queen Victoria wanted all future Kings to be "Albert something"
>> in memory of THE Albert,but Edward VIII was actually "Edward
>> Albert Christian George Andrew Patrick David",it was his brother
>> George VI who had "Albert" as a first name (while their brother
>> the Duke of Kent had "George" as a first name and was known as
>> "Prince George",it was Prince Albert Frederick Arthur George
>> who chose to be KING George despite being known as "Prince Albert"),
>> Edward was formally "Prince Edward" and then King Edward but known
>> as "David" to friends...it annoys me to see today's Prince Henry
>> called "Harry" by those who are NOT intimates but apparently that
>> was Diana's idea.To me,"Harry" should be a nickname for a "Harold"
>> (another name not reused after the Conquest) but it gets used for
>> Henrys thanks to the Norman "Henri" legacy.
>
> "God cry for Harry, England and St George". The "Harry" in question was
> Henry V, as per the play of the same name by William Shakespeare. So it seems
> that "Harry" has for a long time been a nick name form of "Henry".
> .

For the exact reason I specified...with Norman French the language
of government in Britain for centuries after the Conquest (Parliament
did not conduct business in English until 1372),the fact that the
French barely pronounce the N in "Henri" and use a vowel sound much
like "ah" for the E in "Henri" makes an association that an
English-based reading would not.And whatever a nickname is,it should
be reserved for those of close acquaintance(especially of a prince)
and not the general public.

>> >> -=-=-
>> >> The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
>> >> at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.