On 2022-04-16 21:10:47 +0000, Technobarbarian said:

> It's pretty sad. Oregon has dropped down to the the 8th most
> popular state to move to. In recent years we've been running number 2
> or 3. Living conditions are just terrible here. lqtm
>
> Moving In
> The top inbound states of 2021 were:

Work from Home has allowed many people to move to more "rural" areas
.... like where we live

On 2022-04-17 16:42:23 +0000, Technobarbarian said:

> On 4/17/2022 7:56 AM, Ralph E Lindberg wrote:
>> On 2022-04-16 21:10:47 +0000, Technobarbarian said:
>>
>>>       It's pretty sad. Oregon has dropped down to the the 8th most
>>> popular state to move to. In recent years we've been running number 2
>>> or 3. Living conditions are just terrible here. lqtm
>>>
>>> Moving In
>>> The top inbound states of 2021 were:
>>
>> Work from Home has allowed many people to move to more "rural" areas
>> ... like where we live
>>
>
> Yep, I'd like to move closer to the coast, but the housing
> shortage there is even worse than it is here in the big city. OTOH
> retired people are given credit for much of Florida's growth in recent
> years.
>
> I was taking a closer look at Eastern Oregon and Washington for
> one of our up coming trips. One of the things that struck me is that it
> looks like most of the small towns have at least one RV park.
>
> TB

Yup, the coast up here too.... a friends Condo in Ocean Shores sold the
first day, for over listing price (and he is a Real Estate agent in
that town).

Speaking of unaffordable housing, been to Bend lately? On the other
end is the dump known as Goldendale.

On 4/18/2022 3:48 PM, Technobarbarian wrote:
> On 4/18/2022 8:02 AM, Ralph E Lindberg wrote:
>> On 2022-04-17 16:42:23 +0000, Technobarbarian said:
>>
>>> On 4/17/2022 7:56 AM, Ralph E Lindberg wrote:
>>>> On 2022-04-16 21:10:47 +0000, Technobarbarian said:
>>>>
>>>>>       It's pretty sad. Oregon has dropped down to the the 8th most
>>>>> popular state to move to. In recent years we've been running number
>>>>> 2 or 3. Living conditions are just terrible here. lqtm
>>>>>
>>>>> Moving In
>>>>> The top inbound states of 2021 were:
>>>>
>>>> Work from Home has allowed many people to move to more "rural" areas
>>>> ... like where we live
>>>>
>>>
>>>       Yep, I'd like to move closer to the coast, but the housing
>>> shortage there is even worse than it is here in the big city. OTOH
>>> retired people are given credit for much of Florida's growth in
>>> recent years.
>>>
>>>       I was taking a closer look at Eastern Oregon and Washington for
>>> one of our up coming trips. One of the things that struck me is that
>>> it looks like most of the small towns have at least one RV park.
>>>
>>> TB
>>
>> Yup, the coast up here too.... a friends Condo in Ocean Shores sold
>> the first day, for over listing price (and he is a Real Estate agent
>> in that town).
>>
>> Speaking of unaffordable housing, been to Bend lately?  On the other
>> end is the dump known as Goldendale.
>
>      I lived in Bend for several years late in the last century, so I'm
> not a bit surprised by housing over there. Bend has been growing rapidly
> for a long time. When I lived there you could get a permit to remodel a
> home if you were saving at least one wall. I saw more than one old wall
> become part of a bigger new home. I worked on a remodel project for an
> older home that had started out as a garage. It was worth remodeling
> because you couldn't get a permit to build a new home in that spot. I
> haven't been over there in several years, but we're planning a swinging
> through there in June.
>
>      Because we're headed to the Maryhill museum I also expect to swing
> through Goldendale next month. How bad is it? From a tourist's
> perspective I couldn't see much reason for it to exist. They have a
> barbecue joint that looks interesting.
>
> TB

As I recall, there's a neat telescope in Goldendale open to the public.
It was interesting.

On 2022-04-18 22:48:27 +0000, Technobarbarian said:

> On 4/18/2022 8:02 AM, Ralph E Lindberg wrote:
>> On 2022-04-17 16:42:23 +0000, Technobarbarian said:
>>
>>> On 4/17/2022 7:56 AM, Ralph E Lindberg wrote:
>>>> On 2022-04-16 21:10:47 +0000, Technobarbarian said:
>>>>
>>>>>       It's pretty sad. Oregon has dropped down to the the 8th most
>>>>> popular state to move to. In recent years we've been running number 2
>>>>> or 3. Living conditions are just terrible here. lqtm
>>>>>
>>>>> Moving In
>>>>> The top inbound states of 2021 were:
>>>>
>>>> Work from Home has allowed many people to move to more "rural" areas
>>>> ... like where we live
>>>>
>>>
>>>       Yep, I'd like to move closer to the coast, but the housing
>>> shortage there is even worse than it is here in the big city. OTOH
>>> retired people are given credit for much of Florida's growth in recent
>>> years.
>>>
>>>       I was taking a closer look at Eastern Oregon and Washington for
>>> one of our up coming trips. One of the things that struck me is that it
>>> looks like most of the small towns have at least one RV park.
>>>
>>> TB
>>
>> Yup, the coast up here too.... a friends Condo in Ocean Shores sold the
>> first day, for over listing price (and he is a Real Estate agent in
>> that town).
>>
>> Speaking of unaffordable housing, been to Bend lately?  On the other
>> end is the dump known as Goldendale.
>
> I lived in Bend for several years late in the last century, so
> I'm not a bit surprised by housing over there. Bend has been growing
> rapidly for a long time. When I lived there you could get a permit to
> remodel a home if you were saving at least one wall. I saw more than
> one old wall become part of a bigger new home. I worked on a remodel
> project for an older home that had started out as a garage. It was
> worth remodeling because you couldn't get a permit to build a new home
> in that spot. I haven't been over there in several years, but we're
> planning a swinging through there in June.
>
> Because we're headed to the Maryhill museum I also expect to
> swing through Goldendale next month. How bad is it? From a tourist's
> perspective I couldn't see much reason for it to exist. They have a
> barbecue joint that looks interesting.
>
> TB

My sister, her X and her kids live(d) there.... It used to be a
thriving town, based on Timber and Aluminum refining. Then both closed
down. After that the town/county leaders tried to attract the Retired
Crowd and well, that largely failed.
About the only thing going for it is the county seat, Mary Hill Museam,
a few places to eat and the State Park with the Telescope.
The RV parks are, marginal. The SP (campground)"up the pass" has power
lines passing right over it that cause an audible hum. The SP on the
river has train noise and road noise (ya we've tried every single one)

On 2022-04-19 17:15:23 +0000, Technobarbarian said:

> On 4/19/2022 7:48 AM, Ralph E Lindberg wrote:
>> On 2022-04-18 22:48:27 +0000, Technobarbarian said:
>>
>>> On 4/18/2022 8:02 AM, Ralph E Lindberg wrote:
>>>> On 2022-04-17 16:42:23 +0000, Technobarbarian said:
>>>>
>>>>> On 4/17/2022 7:56 AM, Ralph E Lindberg wrote:
>>>>>> On 2022-04-16 21:10:47 +0000, Technobarbarian said:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       It's pretty sad. Oregon has dropped down to the the 8th most
>>>>>>> popular state to move to. In recent years we've been running number 2
>>>>>>> or 3. Living conditions are just terrible here. lqtm
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Moving In
>>>>>>> The top inbound states of 2021 were:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Work from Home has allowed many people to move to more "rural" areas
>>>>>> ... like where we live
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>       Yep, I'd like to move closer to the coast, but the housing
>>>>> shortage there is even worse than it is here in the big city. OTOH
>>>>> retired people are given credit for much of Florida's growth in recent
>>>>> years.
>>>>>
>>>>>       I was taking a closer look at Eastern Oregon and Washington for
>>>>> one of our up coming trips. One of the things that struck me is that it
>>>>> looks like most of the small towns have at least one RV park.
>>>>>
>>>>> TB
>>>>
>>>> Yup, the coast up here too.... a friends Condo in Ocean Shores sold the
>>>> first day, for over listing price (and he is a Real Estate agent in
>>>> that town).
>>>>
>>>> Speaking of unaffordable housing, been to Bend lately?  On the other
>>>> end is the dump known as Goldendale.
>>>
>>>       I lived in Bend for several years late in the last century, so
>>> I'm not a bit surprised by housing over there. Bend has been growing
>>> rapidly for a long time. When I lived there you could get a permit to
>>> remodel a home if you were saving at least one wall. I saw more than
>>> one old wall become part of a bigger new home. I worked on a remodel
>>> project for an older home that had started out as a garage. It was
>>> worth remodeling because you couldn't get a permit to build a new home
>>> in that spot. I haven't been over there in several years, but we're
>>> planning a swinging through there in June.
>>>
>>>       Because we're headed to the Maryhill museum I also expect to
>>> swing through Goldendale next month. How bad is it? From a tourist's
>>> perspective I couldn't see much reason for it to exist. They have a
>>> barbecue joint that looks interesting.
>>>
>>> TB
>>
>> My sister, her X and her kids live(d) there.... It used to be a
>> thriving town, based on Timber and Aluminum refining. Then both closed
>> down. After that the town/county leaders tried to attract the Retired
>> Crowd and well, that largely failed.
>> About the only thing going for it is the county seat, Mary Hill Museam,
>> a few places to eat and the State Park with the Telescope.
>> The RV parks are, marginal. The SP (campground)"up the pass" has power
>> lines passing right over it that cause an audible hum. The SP on the
>> river has train noise and road noise (ya we've tried every single one)
>>
>
> Cool, thanks. I done good then. This isn't going to be an RV
> trip. One of the things that attracted me to Maupin is some cute little
> cabins in a fishing camp that has been there for ages. The cabins were
> originally used for crews building the railroad there. They look like
> they've been nicely modernized, and I've never been to Maupin. That's a
> good enough excuse for me.
>
> I've seen the museum before and I'm only returning because my
> wife is curious about what must be one of the oddest museums in the
> PNW. I have a motel room reserved in Goldendale for a very reasonable
> price. Now I know why the price was so reasonable.

The manager there use to have his staff (including the wife of one of
my nephews) not change the bedding between guests if it "looked" clean
The County Health found out and leaned on him fairly hard (with fines)

>
> I haven't been there for a very long time and my wife has never
> been on the north side of the river further east than the Bridge of the
> Gods, so we'll drive home on the north side crossing all the bridges
> along the way at least once, until we get to the Bridge of the Gods
> again.
>
> Your comments tie in nicely with this odd article about
> communities that are trying to figure out what to do as their situation
> changes. I think this one is pretty silly, but they are at least
> thinking in the right area. There is no reason that we can't build
> housing faster and cheaper than we currently manage in a land with both
> abundant wood and land.
>
> https://www.opb.org/article/2022/04/19/how-3d-printing-could-turn-an-eastern-oregon-town-into-a-high-tech-housing-hub/
>
>
> "How 3D printing could turn an Eastern Oregon town into a high-tech
> housing hub"

Ya the local news carried that

On Thursday, April 21, 2022 at 2:22:04 PM UTC-7, Technobarbarian wrote:
> On 4/21/2022 7:54 AM, Ralph E Lindberg wrote:
> > On 2022-04-19 17:15:23 +0000, Technobarbarian said:
> >
> >> On 4/19/2022 7:48 AM, Ralph E Lindberg wrote:
> >>> On 2022-04-18 22:48:27 +0000, Technobarbarian said:
> >>>
> >>>> On 4/18/2022 8:02 AM, Ralph E Lindberg wrote:
> >>>>> On 2022-04-17 16:42:23 +0000, Technobarbarian said:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 4/17/2022 7:56 AM, Ralph E Lindberg wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 2022-04-16 21:10:47 +0000, Technobarbarian said:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> It's pretty sad. Oregon has dropped down to the the 8th
> >>>>>>>> most popular state to move to. In recent years we've been
> >>>>>>>> running number 2 or 3. Living conditions are just terrible here.
> >>>>>>>> lqtm
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Moving In
> >>>>>>>> The top inbound states of 2021 were:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Work from Home has allowed many people to move to more "rural"
> >>>>>>> areas ... like where we live
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Yep, I'd like to move closer to the coast, but the housing
> >>>>>> shortage there is even worse than it is here in the big city. OTOH
> >>>>>> retired people are given credit for much of Florida's growth in
> >>>>>> recent years.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I was taking a closer look at Eastern Oregon and Washington
> >>>>>> for one of our up coming trips. One of the things that struck me
> >>>>>> is that it looks like most of the small towns have at least one RV
> >>>>>> park.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> TB
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yup, the coast up here too.... a friends Condo in Ocean Shores sold
> >>>>> the first day, for over listing price (and he is a Real Estate
> >>>>> agent in that town).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Speaking of unaffordable housing, been to Bend lately? On the
> >>>>> other end is the dump known as Goldendale.
> >>>>
> >>>> I lived in Bend for several years late in the last century, so
> >>>> I'm not a bit surprised by housing over there. Bend has been growing
> >>>> rapidly for a long time. When I lived there you could get a permit
> >>>> to remodel a home if you were saving at least one wall. I saw more
> >>>> than one old wall become part of a bigger new home. I worked on a
> >>>> remodel project for an older home that had started out as a garage.
> >>>> It was worth remodeling because you couldn't get a permit to build a
> >>>> new home in that spot. I haven't been over there in several years,
> >>>> but we're planning a swinging through there in June.
> >>>>
> >>>> Because we're headed to the Maryhill museum I also expect to
> >>>> swing through Goldendale next month. How bad is it? From a tourist's
> >>>> perspective I couldn't see much reason for it to exist. They have a
> >>>> barbecue joint that looks interesting.
> >>>>
> >>>> TB
> >>>
> >>> My sister, her X and her kids live(d) there.... It used to be a
> >>> thriving town, based on Timber and Aluminum refining. Then both
> >>> closed down. After that the town/county leaders tried to attract the
> >>> Retired Crowd and well, that largely failed.
> >>> About the only thing going for it is the county seat, Mary Hill
> >>> Museam, a few places to eat and the State Park with the Telescope.
> >>> The RV parks are, marginal. The SP (campground)"up the pass" has
> >>> power lines passing right over it that cause an audible hum. The SP
> >>> on the river has train noise and road noise (ya we've tried every
> >>> single one)
> >>>
> >>
> >> Cool, thanks. I done good then. This isn't going to be an RV
> >> trip. One of the things that attracted me to Maupin is some cute
> >> little cabins in a fishing camp that has been there for ages. The
> >> cabins were originally used for crews building the railroad there.
> >> They look like they've been nicely modernized, and I've never been to
> >> Maupin. That's a good enough excuse for me.
> >>
> >> I've seen the museum before and I'm only returning because my
> >> wife is curious about what must be one of the oddest museums in the
> >> PNW. I have a motel room reserved in Goldendale for a very reasonable
> >> price. Now I know why the price was so reasonable.
> >
> > The manager there use to have his staff (including the wife of one of
> > my nephews) not change the bedding between guests if it "looked" clean
> > The County Health found out and leaned on him fairly hard (with fines)
> >
> Yeah, when I lived in Bend I worked for a couple different motels
> and a place that was doing vacation rentals in Sunriver. I was head of
> maintenance for a 120 unit motel. I have a pretty good idea what goes on
> in the business. Back then there was enough cross talk between managers
> and employees that we had a pretty good idea of what was going on all
> over town. It took them awhile, but the health department eventually
> caught up with the worst offender. Their method was to rotate the top
> sheet to the bottom and use a clean top sheet.
>
> There are actually two motels in Goldendale, but I have a pretty
> good idea which one you're talking about. Thanks for the heads up.
>
> TB

Hope you don't pick up any bedbugs from staying at the Goldendale Inn? HawHawHaw!

Conrad Hilton Jr.

On 2022-04-21 21:22:00 +0000, Technobarbarian said:

> On 4/21/2022 7:54 AM, Ralph E Lindberg wrote:
>> On 2022-04-19 17:15:23 +0000, Technobarbarian said:
>>
>>> On 4/19/2022 7:48 AM, Ralph E Lindberg wrote:
>>>> On 2022-04-18 22:48:27 +0000, Technobarbarian said:
>>>>
>>>>> On 4/18/2022 8:02 AM, Ralph E Lindberg wrote:
>>>>>> On 2022-04-17 16:42:23 +0000, Technobarbarian said:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4/17/2022 7:56 AM, Ralph E Lindberg wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2022-04-16 21:10:47 +0000, Technobarbarian said:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>       It's pretty sad. Oregon has dropped down to the the 8th most
>>>>>>>>> popular state to move to. In recent years we've been running number 2
>>>>>>>>> or 3. Living conditions are just terrible here. lqtm
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Moving In
>>>>>>>>> The top inbound states of 2021 were:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Work from Home has allowed many people to move to more "rural" areas
>>>>>>>> ... like where we live
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       Yep, I'd like to move closer to the coast, but the housing
>>>>>>> shortage there is even worse than it is here in the big city. OTOH
>>>>>>> retired people are given credit for much of Florida's growth in recent
>>>>>>> years.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       I was taking a closer look at Eastern Oregon and Washington for
>>>>>>> one of our up coming trips. One of the things that struck me is that it
>>>>>>> looks like most of the small towns have at least one RV park.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TB
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yup, the coast up here too.... a friends Condo in Ocean Shores sold the
>>>>>> first day, for over listing price (and he is a Real Estate agent in
>>>>>> that town).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Speaking of unaffordable housing, been to Bend lately?  On the other
>>>>>> end is the dump known as Goldendale.
>>>>>
>>>>>       I lived in Bend for several years late in the last century, so
>>>>> I'm not a bit surprised by housing over there. Bend has been growing
>>>>> rapidly for a long time. When I lived there you could get a permit to
>>>>> remodel a home if you were saving at least one wall. I saw more than
>>>>> one old wall become part of a bigger new home. I worked on a remodel
>>>>> project for an older home that had started out as a garage. It was
>>>>> worth remodeling because you couldn't get a permit to build a new home
>>>>> in that spot. I haven't been over there in several years, but we're
>>>>> planning a swinging through there in June.
>>>>>
>>>>>       Because we're headed to the Maryhill museum I also expect to
>>>>> swing through Goldendale next month. How bad is it? From a tourist's
>>>>> perspective I couldn't see much reason for it to exist. They have a
>>>>> barbecue joint that looks interesting.
>>>>>
>>>>> TB
>>>>
>>>> My sister, her X and her kids live(d) there.... It used to be a
>>>> thriving town, based on Timber and Aluminum refining. Then both closed
>>>> down. After that the town/county leaders tried to attract the Retired
>>>> Crowd and well, that largely failed.
>>>> About the only thing going for it is the county seat, Mary Hill Museam,
>>>> a few places to eat and the State Park with the Telescope.
>>>> The RV parks are, marginal. The SP (campground)"up the pass" has power
>>>> lines passing right over it that cause an audible hum. The SP on the
>>>> river has train noise and road noise (ya we've tried every single one)
>>>>
>>>
>>>       Cool, thanks. I done good then. This isn't going to be an RV
>>> trip. One of the things that attracted me to Maupin is some cute little
>>> cabins in a fishing camp that has been there for ages. The cabins were
>>> originally used for crews building the railroad there. They look like
>>> they've been nicely modernized, and I've never been to Maupin. That's a
>>> good enough excuse for me.
>>>
>>>       I've seen the museum before and I'm only returning because my
>>> wife is curious about what must be one of the oddest museums in the
>>> PNW. I have a motel room reserved in Goldendale for a very reasonable
>>> price. Now I know why the price was so reasonable.
>>
>>  The manager there use to have his staff (including the wife of one of
>> my nephews) not change the bedding between guests if it "looked" clean
>>   The County Health found out and leaned on him fairly hard (with fines)
>>
>
> Yeah, when I lived in Bend I worked for a couple different
> motels and a place that was doing vacation rentals in Sunriver. I was
> head of maintenance for a 120 unit motel. I have a pretty good idea
> what goes on in the business. Back then there was enough cross talk
> between managers and employees that we had a pretty good idea of what
> was going on all over town. It took them awhile, but the health
> department eventually caught up with the worst offender. Their method
> was to rotate the top sheet to the bottom and use a clean top sheet.
>
> There are actually two motels in Goldendale, but I have a pretty
> good idea which one you're talking about. Thanks for the heads up.
>
> TB

I just found out a -new- (opened in 2019) RV park opened there "Star
Gazier". Looks so much better than the dump the other side of town.
It's right next door to the only Motel I would risk in that town