<https://www.insidehook.com/article/food-and-drink/is-a-hot-dog-a-sandwich-debate>

Controversial claim:

“In the 1880s and 1890s and 1990s, the names ‘sausage sandwich’ and
‘hot dog sandwich’ were common. ‘Sandwich’ got dropped, but it’s
still a sandwich — the same as it always has been.”

As you were, comrades.

--
Ambassador Trentino: "I am willing to do anything to prevent this
war."
President Firefly: "It's too late. I've already paid a month's
rent on the battlefield." _Duck Soup_

Den 30.08.2022 kl. 18.55 skrev Adam Funk:

> “In the 1880s and 1890s and 1990s, the names ‘sausage sandwich’ and
> ‘hot dog sandwich’ were common. ‘Sandwich’ got dropped, but it’s
> still a sandwich — the same as it always has been.”

In my (Danish) mind a sandwich consists of two separate pieces of white
bread with something in between.

A hotdog in Denmark is a sausage put in a partly sliced long bun with
stuff added on top. We wouldn't call that a sandwich.

--
Bertel

On 2022-08-30 12:12, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
> Den 30.08.2022 kl. 18.55 skrev Adam Funk:
>
>>    “In the 1880s and 1890s and 1990s, the names ‘sausage sandwich’ and
>>    ‘hot dog sandwich’ were common. ‘Sandwich’ got dropped, but it’s
>>    still a sandwich — the same as it always has been.”
>
> In my (Danish) mind a sandwich consists of two separate pieces of white
> bread with something in between.

I'll have to remember that if I ever visit Denmark again. Suppose I
wanted a 'ham on rye <something>'. What would that <something> be
called, if not a sandwich?

> A hotdog in Denmark is a sausage put in a partly sliced long bun with
> stuff added on top. We wouldn't call that a sandwich.

--
Reader, suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of
Congress.
But I repeat myself.
– Mark Twain

On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 20:12:57 +0200, Bertel Lund Hansen
<gadekryds@lundhansen.dk> wrote:

>Den 30.08.2022 kl. 18.55 skrev Adam Funk:
>
>> “In the 1880s and 1890s and 1990s, the names ‘sausage sandwich’ and
>> ‘hot dog sandwich’ were common. ‘Sandwich’ got dropped, but it’s
>> still a sandwich — the same as it always has been.”
>
>In my (Danish) mind a sandwich consists of two separate pieces of white
>bread with something in between.
>
>A hotdog in Denmark is a sausage put in a partly sliced long bun with
>stuff added on top. We wouldn't call that a sandwich.

That's a perennial argument in this group.

I don't think I've ever heard anyone say "I had a hot dog sandwich for
lunch" or anything like that.

However, if someone says they are going to have a sandwich for lunch,
that doesn't mean they won't order a hot dog.

I don't think I've ever heard anyone say "They offer hot dogs and
several types of sandwiches." or anything like that.

In other words, "sandwiches" can include hot dogs, but hot dogs are
not sandwiches.

--

Tony Cooper - Orlando Florida

I read and post to this group as a form of entertainment.

Den 30.08.2022 kl. 22.06 skrev lar3ryca:

> I'll have to remember that if I ever visit Denmark again. Suppose I
> wanted a 'ham on rye <something>'. What would that <something> be
> called, if not a sandwich?

The Danish word is "smørrebrød" (literally: butterbread) which you can't
pronounce. That is what we eat for lunch and at some parties. It is
"rugbrød" (rye bread/dark bread) with some food item and toppings.

Pictures here (where you can't see the bread):
https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=sm%C3%B8rrebr%C3%B8d&iax=images&ia=images

You can se the bare bread here (sticking out of the paper bag):
https://dk-spisbedre-production.imgix.net/images/recipes/rugbrodssandwich-med-roget-laks-og-flodeost_5285.jpg?fit=crop&crop=focalpoint&fp-x=0.5&fp-y=0.595458984375&fp-z=1&w=1200&h=628

If an englishspeaking person were to order bread with ham, I'd recommend
that you say:

rye bread with ham

"Rye bread" ist not too far from "rugbrød", and we understand English.

--
Bertel

Den 30.08.2022 kl. 22.30 skrev Tony Cooper:

>> A hotdog in Denmark is a sausage put in a partly sliced long bun with
>> stuff added on top. We wouldn't call that a sandwich.

> That's a perennial argument in this group.

Okay, I'll keep that in mind.

> In other words, "sandwiches" can include hot dogs, but hot dogs are
> not sandwiches.

No Dane would consider that a sandwich could be a hotdog.

--
Bertel

On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 23:34:34 +0200, Bertel Lund Hansen
<gadekryds@lundhansen.dk> wrote:

>Den 30.08.2022 kl. 22.06 skrev lar3ryca:
>
>> I'll have to remember that if I ever visit Denmark again. Suppose I
>> wanted a 'ham on rye <something>'. What would that <something> be
>> called, if not a sandwich?
>
>The Danish word is "smørrebrød" (literally: butterbread) which you can't
>pronounce. That is what we eat for lunch and at some parties. It is
>"rugbrød" (rye bread/dark bread) with some food item and toppings.

I don't see smørrebrød as a type of sandwich. As you said in another
post: "In my (Danish) mind a sandwich consists of two separate pieces
of white bread with something in between."

There is only one piece of bread in smørrebrød.

Smørrebrød is often referred to as an "open-faced sandwich" because
there is no top bread, but that's a conflict of terms. If you can
argue that a hot dog is not a sandwich because it's not filling
between two separate pieces of bread, you can certainly argue that
smørrebrød is not a sandwich because it is not filling between two
separate pieces of bread.

I quite enjoyed the various toppings on smørrebrød on my trips to
Denmark. Except for one: lard.

Tak for mad (pronounced tak for mel) is the only Danish I learned.
>
>Pictures here (where you can't see the bread):
>https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=sm%C3%B8rrebr%C3%B8d&iax=images&ia=images
>
>You can se the bare bread here (sticking out of the paper bag):
>https://dk-spisbedre-production.imgix.net/images/recipes/rugbrodssandwich-med-roget-laks-og-flodeost_5285.jpg?fit=crop&crop=focalpoint&fp-x=0.5&fp-y=0.595458984375&fp-z=1&w=1200&h=628
>
>If an englishspeaking person were to order bread with ham, I'd recommend
>that you say:
>
> rye bread with ham
>
>"Rye bread" ist not too far from "rugbrød", and we understand English.
--

Tony Cooper - Orlando Florida

I read and post to this group as a form of entertainment.

On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 20:12:57 +0200, Bertel Lund Hansen
<gadekryds@lundhansen.dk> wrote:

>Den 30.08.2022 kl. 18.55 skrev Adam Funk:
>
>> “In the 1880s and 1890s and 1990s, the names ‘sausage sandwich’ and
>> ‘hot dog sandwich’ were common. ‘Sandwich’ got dropped, but it’s
>> still a sandwich — the same as it always has been.”
>
>In my (Danish) mind a sandwich consists of two separate pieces of white
>bread with something in between.
>
>A hotdog in Denmark is a sausage put in a partly sliced long bun with
>stuff added on top. We wouldn't call that a sandwich.

Merriam-Webster:

Definition of sandwich (Entry 1 of 2)
1a: two or more slices of bread or a split roll having a filling in
between

Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:

>>The Danish word is "smørrebrød" (literally: butterbread) which you can't
>>pronounce. That is what we eat for lunch and at some parties. It is
>>"rugbrød" (rye bread/dark bread) with some food item and toppings.

>I don't see smørrebrød as a type of sandwich.

Neither do I. I understood lar3ryca's posting as dealing with
smørrebrød.

>I quite enjoyed the various toppings on smørrebrød on my trips to
>Denmark. Except for one: lard.

Good man. I use neither butter/margarine nor lard.

>Tak for mad (pronounced tak for mel) is the only Danish I learned.

That would work, but the final sound is actually the th-sound as in
"mother". Our pronunciation, however, is so lazy that it is difficult
to hear - and the difference is really quite small.

--
Bertel
who has rediscovered Forte Agent which runs under Linux/Wine

On 31/08/22 04:12, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
> Den 30.08.2022 kl. 18.55 skrev Adam Funk:
>
>> “In the 1880s and 1890s and 1990s, the names ‘sausage sandwich’ and
>> ‘hot dog sandwich’ were common. ‘Sandwich’ got dropped, but it’s
>> still a sandwich — the same as it always has been.”
>
> In my (Danish) mind a sandwich consists of two separate pieces of
> white bread with something in between.
>
> A hotdog in Denmark is a sausage put in a partly sliced long bun
> with stuff added on top. We wouldn't call that a sandwich.

At an Australian election, you'll often see people selling sausage
sandwiches outside polling booths. The practice has become so common
that the term "democracy sandwich" is now in use.

And they are definitely sandwiches, because the sausage (usually
together with fried onions and tomato sauce) is put between two slices
of bread. If instead a hot dog roll had been used, the result would have
been called a sausage roll.

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

On 2022-08-30 16:21, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
> Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> The Danish word is "smørrebrød" (literally: butterbread) which you can't
>>> pronounce. That is what we eat for lunch and at some parties. It is
>>> "rugbrød" (rye bread/dark bread) with some food item and toppings.
>
>> I don't see smørrebrød as a type of sandwich.
>
> Neither do I. I understood lar3ryca's posting as dealing with
> smørrebrød.

Ahh... colloquially, (in mt English at least) 'ham on rye' is a ham
sandwich, with two pieces of rte bread.

>> I quite enjoyed the various toppings on smørrebrød on my trips to
>> Denmark. Except for one: lard.
>
> Good man. I use neither butter/margarine nor lard.
>
>> Tak for mad (pronounced tak for mel) is the only Danish I learned.
>
> That would work, but the final sound is actually the th-sound as in
> "mother". Our pronunciation, however, is so lazy that it is difficult
> to hear - and the difference is really quite small.

--
In theory there is no difference between theory and practice,
however in practice there are many...

On Tuesday, August 30, 2022 at 1:30:43 PM UTC-7, Tony Cooper wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 20:12:57 +0200, Bertel Lund Hansen
> <gade...@lundhansen.dk> wrote:
>
> >Den 30.08.2022 kl. 18.55 skrev Adam Funk:
> >
> >> “In the 1880s and 1890s and 1990s, the names ‘sausage sandwich’ and
> >> ‘hot dog sandwich’ were common. ‘Sandwich’ got dropped, but it’s
> >> still a sandwich — the same as it always has been.”
> >
> >In my (Danish) mind a sandwich consists of two separate pieces of white
> >bread with something in between.
> >
> >A hotdog in Denmark is a sausage put in a partly sliced long bun with
> >stuff added on top. We wouldn't call that a sandwich.
> That's a perennial argument in this group.
>
> I don't think I've ever heard anyone say "I had a hot dog sandwich for
> lunch" or anything like that.
>
> However, if someone says they are going to have a sandwich for lunch,
> that doesn't mean they won't order a hot dog.
>
> I don't think I've ever heard anyone say "They offer hot dogs and
> several types of sandwiches." or anything like that.
>
> In other words, "sandwiches" can include hot dogs, but hot dogs are
> not sandwiches.
>
That's illogical. If sandwiches can include hot dogs, then in the applicable situations,
hot dogs *are* sandwiches.

bill

On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 16:30:36 -0400
Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 20:12:57 +0200, Bertel Lund Hansen
> <gadekryds@lundhansen.dk> wrote:
>
> >Den 30.08.2022 kl. 18.55 skrev Adam Funk:
> >
> >> “In the 1880s and 1890s and 1990s, the names ‘sausage sandwich’ and
[]
>
>
> That's a perennial argument in this group.
>

And now it's xposted to kibology.

FU to aue only

--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

In article <temmbd$1nckp$1@dont-email.me>,
peter@pmoylan.org.invalid says...
>
> On 31/08/22 04:12, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
> > Den 30.08.2022 kl. 18.55 skrev Adam Funk:
> >
> >> ?In the 1880s and 1890s and 1990s, the names ?sausage sandwich? and
> >> ?hot dog sandwich? were common. ?Sandwich? got dropped, but it?s
> >> still a sandwich ? the same as it always has been.?
> >
> > In my (Danish) mind a sandwich consists of two separate pieces of
> > white bread with something in between.
> >
> > A hotdog in Denmark is a sausage put in a partly sliced long bun
> > with stuff added on top. We wouldn't call that a sandwich.
>
> At an Australian election, you'll often see people selling sausage
> sandwiches outside polling booths. The practice has become so common
> that the term "democracy sandwich" is now in use.
>
> And they are definitely sandwiches, because the sausage (usually
> together with fried onions and tomato sauce) is put between two slices
> of bread. If instead a hot dog roll had been used, the result would have
> been called a sausage roll.

IRRC from long ago, "sausage sandwich" was enjoyed by
threesomes.

Janet

On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 16:30:36 -0400, Tony Cooper
<tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 20:12:57 +0200, Bertel Lund Hansen
><gadekryds@lundhansen.dk> wrote:
>
>>Den 30.08.2022 kl. 18.55 skrev Adam Funk:
>>
>>> “In the 1880s and 1890s and 1990s, the names ‘sausage sandwich’ and
>>> ‘hot dog sandwich’ were common. ‘Sandwich’ got dropped, but it’s
>>> still a sandwich — the same as it always has been.”
>>
>>In my (Danish) mind a sandwich consists of two separate pieces of white
>>bread with something in between.
>>
>>A hotdog in Denmark is a sausage put in a partly sliced long bun with
>>stuff added on top. We wouldn't call that a sandwich.
>
>
>That's a perennial argument in this group.

Yes.

>I don't think I've ever heard anyone say "I had a hot dog sandwich for
>lunch" or anything like that.

Nor have I. But even if the word" sandwich" isn't part of its name, I
consider a "hot dog" to be a kind of sandwich.

I drive a Toyota. Even though "car" isn't part of its name (I would
never say "I drive a Toyota car"), I consider a Toyota a be a kind of
car.

To me, a "sandwich" is "stuff" between bread. The bread can be two
separate pieces or it can be hinged, like a hotdog bun, and the hinge
on the bun can even be broken apart to make it two separate pieces.

The "stuff " on a sandwich is "sandwiched" between bread, and by
extension, in the word "sandwiched," the stuff can be something other
than food, and what it's sandwiched between doesn't have to be bread.

The subway car was so crowded that I was standing, tightly sandwiched
between two fat women.

And to me, a sandwich doesn't have to be on *white* bread. It can be
on any type of bread. The bread can also be toasted, for example on a
BLT.

The name "hot dog" apparently confuses some people since it be used in
two different ways: as a type of sausage and as that sausage on a hot
dog bun. To me, both are hot dogs, but the one on a bun is a sandwich.
A hot dog on a bun is a hot dog.

The same with "hamburger." A hamburger on a bun is a hamburger. A
hamburger is also a type of sandwich.

I'm sure I'll get lots of disagreement with everything I say above.,
but that's my view. Everyone else is entitled to his own view. I'm not
trying to convince that I'm right and you're wrong. There are many
example of not everyone using words in the same way; this is just one.

>However, if someone says they are going to have a sandwich for lunch,
>that doesn't mean they won't order a hot dog.

Right.

>I don't think I've ever heard anyone say "They offer hot dogs and
>several types of sandwiches." or anything like that.

Nor have I.

>In other words, "sandwiches" can include hot dogs, but hot dogs are
>not sandwiches.

That sounds like a contradiction to me, but you're apparently not the
only one here who doesn't consider hot dogs to be sandwiches, as I do.

On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 15:00:54 -0700, Mack A. Damia
<drsteerforth@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 20:12:57 +0200, Bertel Lund Hansen
><gadekryds@lundhansen.dk> wrote:
>
>>Den 30.08.2022 kl. 18.55 skrev Adam Funk:
>>
>>> “In the 1880s and 1890s and 1990s, the names ‘sausage sandwich’ and
>>> ‘hot dog sandwich’ were common. ‘Sandwich’ got dropped, but it’s
>>> still a sandwich — the same as it always has been.”
>>
>>In my (Danish) mind a sandwich consists of two separate pieces of white
>>bread with something in between.
>>
>>A hotdog in Denmark is a sausage put in a partly sliced long bun with
>>stuff added on top. We wouldn't call that a sandwich.
>
>Merriam-Webster:
>
>Definition of sandwich (Entry 1 of 2)
>1a: two or more slices of bread or a split roll having a filling in
>between

Other than my saying "stuff" instead of "filling," that's much the
same thing I said in another reply a few moments ago.

On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 14:21:07 +0100, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:

>In article <temmbd$1nckp$1@dont-email.me>,
>peter@pmoylan.org.invalid says...
>>
>> On 31/08/22 04:12, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
>> > Den 30.08.2022 kl. 18.55 skrev Adam Funk:
>> >
>> >> ?In the 1880s and 1890s and 1990s, the names ?sausage sandwich? and
>> >> ?hot dog sandwich? were common. ?Sandwich? got dropped, but it?s
>> >> still a sandwich ? the same as it always has been.?
>> >
>> > In my (Danish) mind a sandwich consists of two separate pieces of
>> > white bread with something in between.
>> >
>> > A hotdog in Denmark is a sausage put in a partly sliced long bun
>> > with stuff added on top. We wouldn't call that a sandwich.
>>
>> At an Australian election, you'll often see people selling sausage
>> sandwiches outside polling booths. The practice has become so common
>> that the term "democracy sandwich" is now in use.
>>
>> And they are definitely sandwiches, because the sausage (usually
>> together with fried onions and tomato sauce) is put between two slices
>> of bread. If instead a hot dog roll had been used, the result would have
>> been called a sausage roll.
>
> IRRC from long ago, "sausage sandwich" was enjoyed by
>threesomes.

I still remember from about 65 years ago the Polish-Argentinian chess
grandmaster Najdorf saying that he liked a Najdorf sandwich.

On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 08:34:12 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>
wrote:

>On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 16:30:36 -0400, Tony Cooper
><tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 20:12:57 +0200, Bertel Lund Hansen
>><gadekryds@lundhansen.dk> wrote:
>>
>>>Den 30.08.2022 kl. 18.55 skrev Adam Funk:
>>>
>>>> “In the 1880s and 1890s and 1990s, the names ‘sausage sandwich’ and
>>>> ‘hot dog sandwich’ were common. ‘Sandwich’ got dropped, but it’s
>>>> still a sandwich — the same as it always has been.”
>>>
>>>In my (Danish) mind a sandwich consists of two separate pieces of white
>>>bread with something in between.
>>>
>>>A hotdog in Denmark is a sausage put in a partly sliced long bun with
>>>stuff added on top. We wouldn't call that a sandwich.
>>
>>
>>That's a perennial argument in this group.
>
>
>Yes.
>
>>I don't think I've ever heard anyone say "I had a hot dog sandwich for
>>lunch" or anything like that.
>
>
>Nor have I. But even if the word" sandwich" isn't part of its name, I
>consider a "hot dog" to be a kind of sandwich.
>
>I drive a Toyota. Even though "car" isn't part of its name (I would
>never say "I drive a Toyota car"), I consider a Toyota a be a kind of
>car.
>

My eldest grandson just purchased a Toyota truck. To say that he just
purchased a Toyota would not communicate what he purchased.

He's more likely to say that he just purchased a Toyota Tacoma because
anyone he's speaking to is likely to know that a Tocoma is a pick-up
truck. In this group, the model name would mean anything to many
readers.

>To me, a "sandwich" is "stuff" between bread. The bread can be two
>separate pieces or it can be hinged, like a hotdog bun, and the hinge
>on the bun can even be broken apart to make it two separate pieces.
>
>The "stuff " on a sandwich is "sandwiched" between bread, and by
>extension, in the word "sandwiched," the stuff can be something other
>than food, and what it's sandwiched between doesn't have to be bread.
>
>The subway car was so crowded that I was standing, tightly sandwiched
>between two fat women.
>
>And to me, a sandwich doesn't have to be on *white* bread. It can be
>on any type of bread. The bread can also be toasted, for example on a
>BLT.
>
>The name "hot dog" apparently confuses some people since it be used in
>two different ways: as a type of sausage and as that sausage on a hot
>dog bun. To me, both are hot dogs, but the one on a bun is a sandwich.
>A hot dog on a bun is a hot dog.
>
>The same with "hamburger." A hamburger on a bun is a hamburger. A
>hamburger is also a type of sandwich.
>
>I'm sure I'll get lots of disagreement with everything I say above.,
>but that's my view. Everyone else is entitled to his own view. I'm not
>trying to convince that I'm right and you're wrong. There are many
>example of not everyone using words in the same way; this is just one.
>
>
>>However, if someone says they are going to have a sandwich for lunch,
>>that doesn't mean they won't order a hot dog.
>
>Right.
>
>
>>I don't think I've ever heard anyone say "They offer hot dogs and
>>several types of sandwiches." or anything like that.
>
>
>Nor have I.
>
>>In other words, "sandwiches" can include hot dogs, but hot dogs are
>>not sandwiches.
>
>That sounds like a contradiction to me, but you're apparently not the
>only one here who doesn't consider hot dogs to be sandwiches, as I do.

You have misjudged me. I would not question the use of a hot dog
being called a sandwich, and I would not question the denial that a
hot dog is a sandwich. It's not a point worth debating.

--

Tony Cooper - Orlando Florida

I read and post to this group as a form of entertainment.

On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 12:05:51 -0400, Tony Cooper
<tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 08:34:12 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 16:30:36 -0400, Tony Cooper
>><tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 20:12:57 +0200, Bertel Lund Hansen
>>><gadekryds@lundhansen.dk> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Den 30.08.2022 kl. 18.55 skrev Adam Funk:
>>>>
>>>>> “In the 1880s and 1890s and 1990s, the names ‘sausage sandwich’ and
>>>>> ‘hot dog sandwich’ were common. ‘Sandwich’ got dropped, but it’s
>>>>> still a sandwich — the same as it always has been.”
>>>>
>>>>In my (Danish) mind a sandwich consists of two separate pieces of white
>>>>bread with something in between.
>>>>
>>>>A hotdog in Denmark is a sausage put in a partly sliced long bun with
>>>>stuff added on top. We wouldn't call that a sandwich.
>>>
>>>
>>>That's a perennial argument in this group.
>>
>>
>>Yes.
>>
>>>I don't think I've ever heard anyone say "I had a hot dog sandwich for
>>>lunch" or anything like that.
>>
>>
>>Nor have I. But even if the word" sandwich" isn't part of its name, I
>>consider a "hot dog" to be a kind of sandwich.
>>
>>I drive a Toyota. Even though "car" isn't part of its name (I would
>>never say "I drive a Toyota car"), I consider a Toyota a be a kind of
>>car.
>>
>
>My eldest grandson just purchased a Toyota truck. To say that he just
>purchased a Toyota would not communicate what he purchased.
>
>He's more likely to say that he just purchased a Toyota Tacoma because
>anyone he's speaking to is likely to know that a Tocoma is a pick-up
>truck. In this group, the model name would mean anything to many
>readers.
>
The intending wording was "would not mean anything". The fingers did
not comply with the intention.

>>To me, a "sandwich" is "stuff" between bread. The bread can be two
>>separate pieces or it can be hinged, like a hotdog bun, and the hinge
>>on the bun can even be broken apart to make it two separate pieces.
>>
>>The "stuff " on a sandwich is "sandwiched" between bread, and by
>>extension, in the word "sandwiched," the stuff can be something other
>>than food, and what it's sandwiched between doesn't have to be bread.
>>
>>The subway car was so crowded that I was standing, tightly sandwiched
>>between two fat women.
>>
>>And to me, a sandwich doesn't have to be on *white* bread. It can be
>>on any type of bread. The bread can also be toasted, for example on a
>>BLT.
>>
>>The name "hot dog" apparently confuses some people since it be used in
>>two different ways: as a type of sausage and as that sausage on a hot
>>dog bun. To me, both are hot dogs, but the one on a bun is a sandwich.
>>A hot dog on a bun is a hot dog.
>>
>>The same with "hamburger." A hamburger on a bun is a hamburger. A
>>hamburger is also a type of sandwich.
>>
>>I'm sure I'll get lots of disagreement with everything I say above.,
>>but that's my view. Everyone else is entitled to his own view. I'm not
>>trying to convince that I'm right and you're wrong. There are many
>>example of not everyone using words in the same way; this is just one.
>>
>>
>>>However, if someone says they are going to have a sandwich for lunch,
>>>that doesn't mean they won't order a hot dog.
>>
>>Right.
>>
>>
>>>I don't think I've ever heard anyone say "They offer hot dogs and
>>>several types of sandwiches." or anything like that.
>>
>>
>>Nor have I.
>>
>>>In other words, "sandwiches" can include hot dogs, but hot dogs are
>>>not sandwiches.
>>
>>That sounds like a contradiction to me, but you're apparently not the
>>only one here who doesn't consider hot dogs to be sandwiches, as I do.
>
>You have misjudged me. I would not question the use of a hot dog
>being called a sandwich, and I would not question the denial that a
>hot dog is a sandwich. It's not a point worth debating.
--

Tony Cooper - Orlando Florida

I read and post to this group as a form of entertainment.

On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 12:13:29 -0400, Tony Cooper
<tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 12:05:51 -0400, Tony Cooper
><tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 08:34:12 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 16:30:36 -0400, Tony Cooper
>>><tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 20:12:57 +0200, Bertel Lund Hansen
>>>><gadekryds@lundhansen.dk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Den 30.08.2022 kl. 18.55 skrev Adam Funk:
>>>>>
>>>>>> “In the 1880s and 1890s and 1990s, the names ‘sausage sandwich’ and
>>>>>> ‘hot dog sandwich’ were common. ‘Sandwich’ got dropped, but it’s
>>>>>> still a sandwich — the same as it always has been.”
>>>>>
>>>>>In my (Danish) mind a sandwich consists of two separate pieces of white
>>>>>bread with something in between.
>>>>>
>>>>>A hotdog in Denmark is a sausage put in a partly sliced long bun with
>>>>>stuff added on top. We wouldn't call that a sandwich.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>That's a perennial argument in this group.
>>>
>>>
>>>Yes.
>>>
>>>>I don't think I've ever heard anyone say "I had a hot dog sandwich for
>>>>lunch" or anything like that.
>>>
>>>
>>>Nor have I. But even if the word" sandwich" isn't part of its name, I
>>>consider a "hot dog" to be a kind of sandwich.
>>>
>>>I drive a Toyota. Even though "car" isn't part of its name (I would
>>>never say "I drive a Toyota car"), I consider a Toyota a be a kind of
>>>car.
>>>
>>
>>My eldest grandson just purchased a Toyota truck. To say that he just
>>purchased a Toyota would not communicate what he purchased.
>>
>>He's more likely to say that he just purchased a Toyota Tacoma because
>>anyone he's speaking to is likely to know that a Tocoma is a pick-up
>>truck. In this group, the model name would mean anything to many
>>readers.
>>
>The intending wording was "would not mean anything". The fingers did
>not comply with the intention.
>

Oh, dear. "The intended..." of course.

>
>>>To me, a "sandwich" is "stuff" between bread. The bread can be two
>>>separate pieces or it can be hinged, like a hotdog bun, and the hinge
>>>on the bun can even be broken apart to make it two separate pieces.
>>>
>>>The "stuff " on a sandwich is "sandwiched" between bread, and by
>>>extension, in the word "sandwiched," the stuff can be something other
>>>than food, and what it's sandwiched between doesn't have to be bread.
>>>
>>>The subway car was so crowded that I was standing, tightly sandwiched
>>>between two fat women.
>>>
>>>And to me, a sandwich doesn't have to be on *white* bread. It can be
>>>on any type of bread. The bread can also be toasted, for example on a
>>>BLT.
>>>
>>>The name "hot dog" apparently confuses some people since it be used in
>>>two different ways: as a type of sausage and as that sausage on a hot
>>>dog bun. To me, both are hot dogs, but the one on a bun is a sandwich.
>>>A hot dog on a bun is a hot dog.
>>>
>>>The same with "hamburger." A hamburger on a bun is a hamburger. A
>>>hamburger is also a type of sandwich.
>>>
>>>I'm sure I'll get lots of disagreement with everything I say above.,
>>>but that's my view. Everyone else is entitled to his own view. I'm not
>>>trying to convince that I'm right and you're wrong. There are many
>>>example of not everyone using words in the same way; this is just one.
>>>
>>>
>>>>However, if someone says they are going to have a sandwich for lunch,
>>>>that doesn't mean they won't order a hot dog.
>>>
>>>Right.
>>>
>>>
>>>>I don't think I've ever heard anyone say "They offer hot dogs and
>>>>several types of sandwiches." or anything like that.
>>>
>>>
>>>Nor have I.
>>>
>>>>In other words, "sandwiches" can include hot dogs, but hot dogs are
>>>>not sandwiches.
>>>
>>>That sounds like a contradiction to me, but you're apparently not the
>>>only one here who doesn't consider hot dogs to be sandwiches, as I do.
>>
>>You have misjudged me. I would not question the use of a hot dog
>>being called a sandwich, and I would not question the denial that a
>>hot dog is a sandwich. It's not a point worth debating.
--

Tony Cooper - Orlando Florida

I read and post to this group as a form of entertainment.

On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 12:05:51 -0400, Tony Cooper
<tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 08:34:12 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 16:30:36 -0400, Tony Cooper
>><tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 20:12:57 +0200, Bertel Lund Hansen
>>><gadekryds@lundhansen.dk> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Den 30.08.2022 kl. 18.55 skrev Adam Funk:
>>>>
>>>>> “In the 1880s and 1890s and 1990s, the names ‘sausage sandwich’ and
>>>>> ‘hot dog sandwich’ were common. ‘Sandwich’ got dropped, but it’s
>>>>> still a sandwich — the same as it always has been.”
>>>>
>>>>In my (Danish) mind a sandwich consists of two separate pieces of white
>>>>bread with something in between.
>>>>
>>>>A hotdog in Denmark is a sausage put in a partly sliced long bun with
>>>>stuff added on top. We wouldn't call that a sandwich.
>>>
>>>
>>>That's a perennial argument in this group.
>>
>>
>>Yes.
>>
>>>I don't think I've ever heard anyone say "I had a hot dog sandwich for
>>>lunch" or anything like that.
>>
>>
>>Nor have I. But even if the word" sandwich" isn't part of its name, I
>>consider a "hot dog" to be a kind of sandwich.
>>
>>I drive a Toyota. Even though "car" isn't part of its name (I would
>>never say "I drive a Toyota car"), I consider a Toyota a be a kind of
>>car.
>>
>
>My eldest grandson just purchased a Toyota truck. To say that he just
>purchased a Toyota would not communicate what he purchased.

Right. The same could true of an SUV. But if someone says, "I just
purchased a Toyota," without specifying what kind, he's almost
certainly referring to a car.

>He's more likely to say that he just purchased a Toyota Tacoma because
>anyone he's speaking to is likely to know that a Tocoma is a pick-up
>truck. In this group, the model name would mean anything to many
>readers.
>
>>To me, a "sandwich" is "stuff" between bread. The bread can be two
>>separate pieces or it can be hinged, like a hotdog bun, and the hinge
>>on the bun can even be broken apart to make it two separate pieces.
>>
>>The "stuff " on a sandwich is "sandwiched" between bread, and by
>>extension, in the word "sandwiched," the stuff can be something other
>>than food, and what it's sandwiched between doesn't have to be bread.
>>
>>The subway car was so crowded that I was standing, tightly sandwiched
>>between two fat women.
>>
>>And to me, a sandwich doesn't have to be on *white* bread. It can be
>>on any type of bread. The bread can also be toasted, for example on a
>>BLT.
>>
>>The name "hot dog" apparently confuses some people since it be used in
>>two different ways: as a type of sausage and as that sausage on a hot
>>dog bun. To me, both are hot dogs, but the one on a bun is a sandwich.
>>A hot dog on a bun is a hot dog.
>>
>>The same with "hamburger." A hamburger on a bun is a hamburger. A
>>hamburger is also a type of sandwich.
>>
>>I'm sure I'll get lots of disagreement with everything I say above.,
>>but that's my view. Everyone else is entitled to his own view. I'm not
>>trying to convince that I'm right and you're wrong. There are many
>>example of not everyone using words in the same way; this is just one.
>>
>>
>>>However, if someone says they are going to have a sandwich for lunch,
>>>that doesn't mean they won't order a hot dog.
>>
>>Right.
>>
>>
>>>I don't think I've ever heard anyone say "They offer hot dogs and
>>>several types of sandwiches." or anything like that.
>>
>>
>>Nor have I.
>>
>>>In other words, "sandwiches" can include hot dogs, but hot dogs are
>>>not sandwiches.
>>
>>That sounds like a contradiction to me, but you're apparently not the
>>only one here who doesn't consider hot dogs to be sandwiches, as I do.
>
>You have misjudged me. I would not question the use of a hot dog
>being called a sandwich, and I would not question the denial that a
>hot dog is a sandwich. It's not a point worth debating.

On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 12:05:51 -0400, Tony Cooper
<tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 08:34:12 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 16:30:36 -0400, Tony Cooper
>><tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>In other words, "sandwiches" can include hot dogs, but hot dogs are
>>>not sandwiches.
>>
>>That sounds like a contradiction to me, but you're apparently not the
>>only one here who doesn't consider hot dogs to be sandwiches, as I do.
>
>You have misjudged me. I would not question the use of a hot dog
>being called a sandwich, and I would not question the denial that a
>hot dog is a sandwich.

No, I didn't misjudge you. I apparently misinterpreted what you meant,
but I'm not sure why.

> It's not a point worth debating.

OK.

On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 12:13:29 -0400, Tony Cooper
<tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 12:05:51 -0400, Tony Cooper
><tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 08:34:12 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 16:30:36 -0400, Tony Cooper
>>><tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 20:12:57 +0200, Bertel Lund Hansen
>>>><gadekryds@lundhansen.dk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Den 30.08.2022 kl. 18.55 skrev Adam Funk:
>>>>>
>>>>>> “In the 1880s and 1890s and 1990s, the names ‘sausage sandwich’ and
>>>>>> ‘hot dog sandwich’ were common. ‘Sandwich’ got dropped, but it’s
>>>>>> still a sandwich — the same as it always has been.”
>>>>>
>>>>>In my (Danish) mind a sandwich consists of two separate pieces of white
>>>>>bread with something in between.
>>>>>
>>>>>A hotdog in Denmark is a sausage put in a partly sliced long bun with
>>>>>stuff added on top. We wouldn't call that a sandwich.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>That's a perennial argument in this group.
>>>
>>>
>>>Yes.
>>>
>>>>I don't think I've ever heard anyone say "I had a hot dog sandwich for
>>>>lunch" or anything like that.
>>>
>>>
>>>Nor have I. But even if the word" sandwich" isn't part of its name, I
>>>consider a "hot dog" to be a kind of sandwich.
>>>
>>>I drive a Toyota. Even though "car" isn't part of its name (I would
>>>never say "I drive a Toyota car"), I consider a Toyota a be a kind of
>>>car.
>>>
>>
>>My eldest grandson just purchased a Toyota truck. To say that he just
>>purchased a Toyota would not communicate what he purchased.
>>
>>He's more likely to say that he just purchased a Toyota Tacoma because
>>anyone he's speaking to is likely to know that a Tocoma is a pick-up
>>truck. In this group, the model name would mean anything to many
>>readers.
>>
>The intending wording was "would not mean anything". The fingers did
>not comply with the intention.

That's typo that I also often make "Not" is a word that I sometimes
leave out.

Oddly, I didn't notice that it was missing when I replied.

On 2022-08-31 17:28:41 +0000, Ken Blake said:

> On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 12:13:29 -0400, Tony Cooper
> <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> [ … ]
>>
>>>
>> The intending wording was "would not mean anything". The fingers did
>> not comply with the intention.
>
>
> That's typo that I also often make "Not" is a word that I sometimes
> leave out.

Often, in my csse.
>
> Oddly, I didn't notice that it was missing when I replied.

--
Athel -- French and British, living mainly in England until 1987.

On Wednesday, August 31, 2022 at 11:34:18 AM UTC-4, Ken Blake wrote:

> To me, a "sandwich" is "stuff" between bread. The bread can be two
> separate pieces or it can be hinged, like a hotdog bun, and the hinge
> on the bun can even be broken apart to make it two separate pieces.

What about a pita pocket? It's a "falafel sandwich," after all.

But it's also a "gyro sandwich" where the pita is folded around
the components like a taco shell.