If there's one thing you can count on from liberals it's predictability.
Gun control, more gun control, common sense gun laws. These assholes
wouldn't know common sense if it slapped them in the face.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-responds-uvalde-texas-elementary-school-shooting

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/kamala-harris-action-uvalde-texas-elementary-school-shooting

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-democrats-gun-control-prayers
--
- Joe Biden - what you get when you order a president through the mail.

On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 7:13:29 AM UTC-7, George.Anthony wrote:
> If there's one thing you can count on from liberals it's predictability.
> Gun control, more gun control, common sense gun laws. These assholes
> wouldn't know common sense if it slapped them in the face.
>
> https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-responds-uvalde-texas-elementary-school-shooting
>
> https://www.foxnews.com/politics/kamala-harris-action-uvalde-texas-elementary-school-shooting
>
> https://www.foxnews.com/politics/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-democrats-gun-control-prayers
>
>Our country was founded by geniuses, but it's being run by idiots LIKE TRUMP
>
Well yea Fido as long as your ilk is slaughtering children what to you expect encouragement? Just look at your own State, but I guess that’s just normal for you
--

On 5/25/2022 2:18 PM, Technobarbarian wrote:
> On 5/25/2022 7:13 AM, George.Anthony wrote:
>> If there's one thing you can count on from liberals it's
>> predictability. Gun control, more gun control, common sense gun laws.
>> These assholes wouldn't know common sense if it slapped them in the face.
>>
>> https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-responds-uvalde-texas-elementary-school-shooting
>>
>>
>> https://www.foxnews.com/politics/kamala-harris-action-uvalde-texas-elementary-school-shooting
>>
>>
>> https://www.foxnews.com/politics/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-democrats-gun-control-prayers
>>
>
>     Naturally, so called, not really "conservatives" are just as
> predictable. They're calling for more guns. And thoughts and prayers.
> Mustn't forget thoughts and prayers.
>
> "Texas GOP officials respond to elementary school shooting by calling
> for more guns and security in schools"
>
> https://www.businessinsider.com/texas-shooting-gop-officials-call-for-more-guns-in-schools-2022-5
>
>
> "In the 10 years since Sandy Hook, gun laws in the U.S. haven't changed
> much"
>
> https://www.npr.org/2022/05/25/1101139624/texas-elementary-school-shooting-sandy-hook-gun-legislation-gun-control
>
>
> TB

It's not just conservatives expressing sympathy with thoughts and
prayers, Slick. And gun laws don't need to change. Psychos will psycho
whether with guns, knives, fertilizer or scissors. I have yet to see a
gun kill someone and I'm sure you haven't either. I'm not aware of any
autonomous guns.

--
- Joe Biden - what you get when you order a president through the mail.

On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 12:18:55 PM UTC-7, Technobarbarian wrote:
<snip>
> Naturally, so called, not really "conservatives" are just as
> predictable. They're calling for more guns. And thoughts and prayers.
> Mustn't forget thoughts and prayers.
>
> "Texas GOP officials respond to elementary school shooting by calling
> for more guns and security in schools"
<snip>
"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of the State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." The Death-Eaters cling to the illusion of securing the state while ignoring the threat to the safety of the people that easy access to firearms poses. The curiously worded and punctuated 2nd Amendment has been twisted out of shape by those that profit from the sale of fire arms and the mind boggling pro-life doctrines professed by people who don't give a shit about the lives of children after they've left the womb. I doubt anything is going to change markedly during my lifetime.

Enjoy the day,
dmc

On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 12:40:13 PM UTC-7, George.Anthony wrote:
> On 5/25/2022 2:18 PM, Technobarbarian wrote:
> > On 5/25/2022 7:13 AM, George.Anthony wrote:
> >> If there's one thing you can count on from liberals it's
> >> predictability. Gun control, more gun control, common sense gun laws.
> >> These assholes wouldn't know common sense if it slapped them in the face.
> >>
> >> https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-responds-uvalde-texas-elementary-school-shooting
> >>
> >>
> >> https://www.foxnews.com/politics/kamala-harris-action-uvalde-texas-elementary-school-shooting
> >>
> >>
> >> https://www.foxnews.com/politics/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-democrats-gun-control-prayers
> >>
> >
> > Naturally, so called, not really "conservatives" are just as
> > predictable. They're calling for more guns. And thoughts and prayers.
> > Mustn't forget thoughts and prayers.
> >
> > "Texas GOP officials respond to elementary school shooting by calling
> > for more guns and security in schools"
> >
> > https://www.businessinsider.com/texas-shooting-gop-officials-call-for-more-guns-in-schools-2022-5
> >
> >
> > "In the 10 years since Sandy Hook, gun laws in the U.S. haven't changed
> > much"
> >
> > https://www.npr.org/2022/05/25/1101139624/texas-elementary-school-shooting-sandy-hook-gun-legislation-gun-control
> >
> >
> > TB
> It's not just conservatives expressing sympathy with thoughts and
> prayers, Slick. And gun laws don't need to change. Psychos will psycho
> whether with guns, knives, fertilizer or scissors. I have yet to see a
> gun kill someone and I'm sure you haven't either. I'm not aware of any
> autonomous guns.
>
>Our country was founded by geniuses, but it's being run by idiots LIKE TRUMP
>
Curious thing happening invariable this psychos turn out to be republicans?
--

dm_callier <dm.callier@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 12:18:55 PM UTC-7, Technobarbarian wrote:
> <snip>
>> Naturally, so called, not really "conservatives" are just as
>> predictable. They're calling for more guns. And thoughts and prayers.
>> Mustn't forget thoughts and prayers.
>>
>> "Texas GOP officials respond to elementary school shooting by calling
>> for more guns and security in schools"
> <snip>
> "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of the State,
> the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."
> The Death-Eaters cling to the illusion of securing the state while
> ignoring the threat to the safety of the people that easy access to
> firearms poses. The curiously worded and punctuated 2nd Amendment has
> been twisted out of shape by those that profit from the sale of fire arms
> and the mind boggling pro-life doctrines professed by people who don't
> give a shit about the lives of children after they've left the womb. I
> doubt anything is going to change markedly during my lifetime.
>
> Enjoy the day,
> dmc
>

“…shall not be infringed”. That might be curious to you but to those of us
with brains it is as clear as can be.

--
“…after 14 months, nothing is built, nothing is back, and nothing is better
…” - Senator John Kennedy

On 5/25/2022 1:14 PM, dm_callier wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 12:18:55 PM UTC-7, Technobarbarian wrote:
> <snip>
>> Naturally, so called, not really "conservatives" are just as
>> predictable. They're calling for more guns. And thoughts and prayers.
>> Mustn't forget thoughts and prayers.
>>
>> "Texas GOP officials respond to elementary school shooting by calling
>> for more guns and security in schools"
> <snip>
> "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of the State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." The Death-Eaters cling to the illusion of securing the state while ignoring the threat to the safety of the people that easy access to firearms poses. The curiously worded and punctuated 2nd Amendment has been twisted out of shape by those that profit from the sale of fire arms and the mind boggling pro-life doctrines professed by people who don't give a shit about the lives of children after they've left the womb. I doubt anything is going to change markedly during my lifetime.
>
> Enjoy the day,
> dmc

You just want to take a great source of income away from Cancun Cruz,
dontcha! Poor guy. How the hell is he going to fly his family to Mexico
when it gets cold again? Huh?

Congress members with the most contributions from gun rights groups

In the wake of the Texas elementary school shooting, where 19 kids and 2
adults were killed, there is renewed scrutiny on the hundreds of
thousands of dollars Republican lawmakers have received in campaign
contributions from groups supporting gun rights.

Driving the news: Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) received the most money from
gun rights supporters. On Tuesday, he received major backlash for
responding to the shooting by saying that gun control will not help and
that "we need to devote far more law enforcement resources to stopping
violent criminals."

Reality check: Experts say that there is a lack of evidence that
suggests that increased police presence in schools actually improves
safety and instead could "significantly disrupt learning environments."
The shooter was even engaged with law enforcement prior to entering the
building, but he still managed to get inside and gun down people in the
school.
The big picture: There's a pattern that follows congressional action in
the wake of a mass shooting: Lawmakers will zero in on legislation
focused on gun control that requires bipartisan support to pass, but
that Republicans will not stand behind, Axios' Erin Doherty reports.

By the numbers: Cruz has received over $442,000 from gun rights groups,
according to Open Secrets, an organization that tracks money in U.S.
politics.

Texas' other senator, John Cornyn (R), is another one of the top
lawmakers to receive financial contributions from gun rights supporters
amounting to around $340,000.
Other Texas lawmakers supported by gun rights groups include Reps. Pete
Sessions (R) and Dan Crenshaw (R), each of which have received over
$208,000 and $126,000, respectively.
Between the lines: The money reflected in this chart comes from direct
contributions to lawmakers.

It does not include the millions of dollars that the National Rifle
Association has spent in indirect spending in support and in opposition
of specific politicians.

https://www.axios.com/2022/05/25/ted-cruz-lawmakers-money-gun-rights-groups

On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 4:27:05 PM UTC-7, George.Anthony wrote:
> dm_callier <dm.ca...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 12:18:55 PM UTC-7, Technobarbarian wrote:
> > <snip>
> >> Naturally, so called, not really "conservatives" are just as
> >> predictable. They're calling for more guns. And thoughts and prayers.
> >> Mustn't forget thoughts and prayers.
> >>
> >> "Texas GOP officials respond to elementary school shooting by calling
> >> for more guns and security in schools"
> > <snip>
> > "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of the State,
> > the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."
> > The Death-Eaters cling to the illusion of securing the state while
> > ignoring the threat to the safety of the people that easy access to
> > firearms poses. The curiously worded and punctuated 2nd Amendment has
> > been twisted out of shape by those that profit from the sale of fire arms
> > and the mind boggling pro-life doctrines professed by people who don't
> > give a shit about the lives of children after they've left the womb. I
> > doubt anything is going to change markedly during my lifetime.
> >
> > Enjoy the day,
> > dmc
> >
> “…shall not be infringed”. That might be curious to you but to those of us
> with brains it is as clear as can be.
>
>After 14 months, Fido is still a moron, and the orange goon is still waiting for his handcuffs
--

Technobarbarian <technobarbarian-ztopzpam@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 5/25/2022 7:10 PM, kmiller wrote:
>> On 5/25/2022 1:14 PM, dm_callier wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 12:18:55 PM UTC-7, Technobarbarian wrote:
>>> <snip>
>>>> Naturally, so called, not really "conservatives" are just as
>>>> predictable. They're calling for more guns. And thoughts and prayers.
>>>> Mustn't forget thoughts and prayers.
>>>>
>>>> "Texas GOP officials respond to elementary school shooting by calling
>>>> for more guns and security in schools"
>>> <snip>
>>> "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of the
>>> State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be
>>> infringed." The Death-Eaters cling to the illusion of securing the
>>> state while ignoring the threat to the safety of the people that easy
>>> access to firearms poses. The curiously worded and punctuated 2nd
>>> Amendment has been twisted out of shape by those that profit from the
>>> sale of fire arms and the mind boggling pro-life doctrines professed
>>> by people who don't give a shit about the lives of children after
>>> they've left the womb. I doubt anything is going to change markedly
>>> during my lifetime.
>>>
>>> Enjoy the day,
>>> dmc
>>
>> You just want to take a great source of income away from Cancun Cruz,
>> dontcha! Poor guy. How the hell is he going to fly his family to Mexico
>> when it gets cold again? Huh?
>>
>> Congress members with the most contributions from gun rights groups
>>
>> In the wake of the Texas elementary school shooting, where 19 kids and 2
>> adults were killed, there is renewed scrutiny on the hundreds of
>> thousands of dollars Republican lawmakers have received in campaign
>> contributions from groups supporting gun rights.
>>
>> Driving the news: Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) received the most money from
>> gun rights supporters. On Tuesday, he received major backlash for
>> responding to the shooting by saying that gun control will not help and
>> that "we need to devote far more law enforcement resources to stopping
>> violent criminals."
>>
>> Reality check: Experts say that there is a lack of evidence that
>> suggests that increased police presence in schools actually improves
>> safety and instead could "significantly disrupt learning environments."
>> The shooter was even engaged with law enforcement prior to entering the
>> building, but he still managed to get inside and gun down people in the
>> school.
>> The big picture: There's a pattern that follows congressional action in
>> the wake of a mass shooting: Lawmakers will zero in on legislation
>> focused on gun control that requires bipartisan support to pass, but
>> that Republicans will not stand behind, Axios' Erin Doherty reports.
>>
>> By the numbers: Cruz has received over $442,000 from gun rights groups,
>> according to Open Secrets, an organization that tracks money in U.S.
>> politics.
>>
>> Texas' other senator, John Cornyn (R), is another one of the top
>> lawmakers to receive financial contributions from gun rights supporters
>> amounting to around $340,000.
>> Other Texas lawmakers supported by gun rights groups include Reps. Pete
>> Sessions (R) and Dan Crenshaw (R), each of which have received over
>> $208,000 and $126,000, respectively.
>> Between the lines: The money reflected in this chart comes from direct
>> contributions to lawmakers.
>>
>> It does not include the millions of dollars that the National Rifle
>> Association has spent in indirect spending in support and in opposition
>> of specific politicians.
>>
>> https://www.axios.com/2022/05/25/ted-cruz-lawmakers-money-gun-rights-groups
>
> The data suggests that there are other things we need to do,
> besides gun control, to reduce the violence.
>
> "Guns have become the leading cause of death for American kids"
>
> "There were also stark racial disparities. The firearm death rate for
> Black children was more than four times that of white children, and
> white children were still more likely to be killed by motor vehicles
> than guns."
>
> https://www.axios.com/2022/05/26/gun-deaths-children-america
>
> I don't think any amount of gun control will reduce this
> disparity. Maybe we need to look at the causes of this disparity and
> address them directly. Even if we could make those kids white I don't
> think it would solve the underlying problems.
>
> TB
>

You finally said something that makes sense but… the policies and
politicians you support are the underlying problem. Not cases like in
Uvalde but for the high rate of children’s deaths in general. And just
think how high it would be if the statistics included abortion deaths.

--
“…after 14 months, nothing is built, nothing is back, and nothing is better
…” - Senator John Kennedy

On Thursday, May 26, 2022 at 10:13:23 AM UTC-7, George.Anthony wrote:
> Technobarbarian <technobarbar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 5/25/2022 7:10 PM, kmiller wrote:
> >> On 5/25/2022 1:14 PM, dm_callier wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 12:18:55 PM UTC-7, Technobarbarian wrote:
> >>> <snip>
> >>>> Naturally, so called, not really "conservatives" are just as
> >>>> predictable. They're calling for more guns. And thoughts and prayers..
> >>>> Mustn't forget thoughts and prayers.
> >>>>
> >>>> "Texas GOP officials respond to elementary school shooting by calling
> >>>> for more guns and security in schools"
> >>> <snip>
> >>> "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of the
> >>> State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be
> >>> infringed." The Death-Eaters cling to the illusion of securing the
> >>> state while ignoring the threat to the safety of the people that easy
> >>> access to firearms poses. The curiously worded and punctuated 2nd
> >>> Amendment has been twisted out of shape by those that profit from the
> >>> sale of fire arms and the mind boggling pro-life doctrines professed
> >>> by people who don't give a shit about the lives of children after
> >>> they've left the womb. I doubt anything is going to change markedly
> >>> during my lifetime.
> >>>
> >>> Enjoy the day,
> >>> dmc
> >>
> >> You just want to take a great source of income away from Cancun Cruz,
> >> dontcha! Poor guy. How the hell is he going to fly his family to Mexico
> >> when it gets cold again? Huh?
> >>
> >> Congress members with the most contributions from gun rights groups
> >>
> >> In the wake of the Texas elementary school shooting, where 19 kids and 2
> >> adults were killed, there is renewed scrutiny on the hundreds of
> >> thousands of dollars Republican lawmakers have received in campaign
> >> contributions from groups supporting gun rights.
> >>
> >> Driving the news: Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) received the most money from
> >> gun rights supporters. On Tuesday, he received major backlash for
> >> responding to the shooting by saying that gun control will not help and
> >> that "we need to devote far more law enforcement resources to stopping
> >> violent criminals."
> >>
> >> Reality check: Experts say that there is a lack of evidence that
> >> suggests that increased police presence in schools actually improves
> >> safety and instead could "significantly disrupt learning environments."
> >> The shooter was even engaged with law enforcement prior to entering the
> >> building, but he still managed to get inside and gun down people in the
> >> school.
> >> The big picture: There's a pattern that follows congressional action in
> >> the wake of a mass shooting: Lawmakers will zero in on legislation
> >> focused on gun control that requires bipartisan support to pass, but
> >> that Republicans will not stand behind, Axios' Erin Doherty reports.
> >>
> >> By the numbers: Cruz has received over $442,000 from gun rights groups,
> >> according to Open Secrets, an organization that tracks money in U.S.
> >> politics.
> >>
> >> Texas' other senator, John Cornyn (R), is another one of the top
> >> lawmakers to receive financial contributions from gun rights supporters
> >> amounting to around $340,000.
> >> Other Texas lawmakers supported by gun rights groups include Reps. Pete
> >> Sessions (R) and Dan Crenshaw (R), each of which have received over
> >> $208,000 and $126,000, respectively.
> >> Between the lines: The money reflected in this chart comes from direct
> >> contributions to lawmakers.
> >>
> >> It does not include the millions of dollars that the National Rifle
> >> Association has spent in indirect spending in support and in opposition
> >> of specific politicians.
> >>
> >> https://www.axios.com/2022/05/25/ted-cruz-lawmakers-money-gun-rights-groups
> >
> > The data suggests that there are other things we need to do,
> > besides gun control, to reduce the violence.
> >
> > "Guns have become the leading cause of death for American kids"
> >
> > "There were also stark racial disparities. The firearm death rate for
> > Black children was more than four times that of white children, and
> > white children were still more likely to be killed by motor vehicles
> > than guns."
> >
> > https://www.axios.com/2022/05/26/gun-deaths-children-america
> >
> > I don't think any amount of gun control will reduce this
> > disparity. Maybe we need to look at the causes of this disparity and
> > address them directly. Even if we could make those kids white I don't
> > think it would solve the underlying problems.
> >
> > TB
> >
> You finally said something that makes sense but… the policies and
> politicians you support are the underlying problem. Not cases like in
> Uvalde but for the high rate of children’s deaths in general. And just
> think how high it would be if the statistics included abortion deaths.
>
>After 14 months, Fido is still a moron, and the orange goon is still waiting for his handcuffs.
>
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/as-nation-reels-from-uvalde-massacre-supreme-court-is-expected-to-expand-gun-rights-194609414.html

Fido’s solution is obvious more guns to keep down abortions and just in time the Supreme Court to the aid of your anguish.
--

On 5/26/2022 3:45 PM, Technobarbarian wrote:
> On 5/26/2022 10:26 AM, George Anthony wrote:
>> On Thursday, May 26, 2022 at 10:13:23 AM UTC-7, George.Anthony wrote:
>>> Technobarbarian <technobarbar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 5/25/2022 7:10 PM, kmiller wrote:
>>>>> On 5/25/2022 1:14 PM, dm_callier wrote:
>>>>>> On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 12:18:55 PM UTC-7, Technobarbarian
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>> Naturally, so called, not really "conservatives" are just as
>>>>>>> predictable. They're calling for more guns. And thoughts and
>>>>>>> prayers.
>>>>>>> Mustn't forget thoughts and prayers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Texas GOP officials respond to elementary school shooting by
>>>>>>> calling
>>>>>>> for more guns and security in schools"
>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>> "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of the
>>>>>> State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be
>>>>>> infringed." The Death-Eaters cling to the illusion of securing the
>>>>>> state while ignoring the threat to the safety of the people that easy
>>>>>> access to firearms poses. The curiously worded and punctuated 2nd
>>>>>> Amendment has been twisted out of shape by those that profit from the
>>>>>> sale of fire arms and the mind boggling pro-life doctrines professed
>>>>>> by people who don't give a shit about the lives of children after
>>>>>> they've left the womb. I doubt anything is going to change markedly
>>>>>> during my lifetime.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Enjoy the day,
>>>>>> dmc
>>>>>
>>>>> You just want to take a great source of income away from Cancun Cruz,
>>>>> dontcha! Poor guy. How the hell is he going to fly his family to
>>>>> Mexico
>>>>> when it gets cold again? Huh?
>>>>>
>>>>> Congress members with the most contributions from gun rights groups
>>>>>
>>>>> In the wake of the Texas elementary school shooting, where 19 kids
>>>>> and 2
>>>>> adults were killed, there is renewed scrutiny on the hundreds of
>>>>> thousands of dollars Republican lawmakers have received in campaign
>>>>> contributions from groups supporting gun rights.
>>>>>
>>>>> Driving the news: Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) received the most money from
>>>>> gun rights supporters. On Tuesday, he received major backlash for
>>>>> responding to the shooting by saying that gun control will not help
>>>>> and
>>>>> that "we need to devote far more law enforcement resources to stopping
>>>>> violent criminals."
>>>>>
>>>>> Reality check: Experts say that there is a lack of evidence that
>>>>> suggests that increased police presence in schools actually improves
>>>>> safety and instead could "significantly disrupt learning
>>>>> environments."
>>>>> The shooter was even engaged with law enforcement prior to entering
>>>>> the
>>>>> building, but he still managed to get inside and gun down people in
>>>>> the
>>>>> school.
>>>>> The big picture: There's a pattern that follows congressional
>>>>> action in
>>>>> the wake of a mass shooting: Lawmakers will zero in on legislation
>>>>> focused on gun control that requires bipartisan support to pass, but
>>>>> that Republicans will not stand behind, Axios' Erin Doherty reports.
>>>>>
>>>>> By the numbers: Cruz has received over $442,000 from gun rights
>>>>> groups,
>>>>> according to Open Secrets, an organization that tracks money in U.S.
>>>>> politics.
>>>>>
>>>>> Texas' other senator, John Cornyn (R), is another one of the top
>>>>> lawmakers to receive financial contributions from gun rights
>>>>> supporters
>>>>> amounting to around $340,000.
>>>>> Other Texas lawmakers supported by gun rights groups include Reps.
>>>>> Pete
>>>>> Sessions (R) and Dan Crenshaw (R), each of which have received over
>>>>> $208,000 and $126,000, respectively.
>>>>> Between the lines: The money reflected in this chart comes from direct
>>>>> contributions to lawmakers.
>>>>>
>>>>> It does not include the millions of dollars that the National Rifle
>>>>> Association has spent in indirect spending in support and in
>>>>> opposition
>>>>> of specific politicians.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.axios.com/2022/05/25/ted-cruz-lawmakers-money-gun-rights-groups
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The data suggests that there are other things we need to do,
>>>> besides gun control, to reduce the violence.
>>>>
>>>> "Guns have become the leading cause of death for American kids"
>>>>
>>>> "There were also stark racial disparities. The firearm death rate for
>>>> Black children was more than four times that of white children, and
>>>> white children were still more likely to be killed by motor vehicles
>>>> than guns."
>>>>
>>>> https://www.axios.com/2022/05/26/gun-deaths-children-america
>>>>
>>>> I don't think any amount of gun control will reduce this
>>>> disparity. Maybe we need to look at the causes of this disparity and
>>>> address them directly. Even if we could make those kids white I don't
>>>> think it would solve the underlying problems.
>>>>
>>>> TB
>>>>
>>> You finally said something that makes sense but… the policies and
>>> politicians you support are the underlying problem. Not cases like in
>>> Uvalde but for the high rate of children’s deaths in general. And just
>>> think how high it would be if the statistics included abortion deaths.
>>>
>>> After 14 months, Fido is still a moron, and the orange goon is still
>>> waiting for his handcuffs.
>>>
>> https://ca.news.yahoo.com/as-nation-reels-from-uvalde-massacre-supreme-court-is-expected-to-expand-gun-rights-194609414.html
>>
>>
>> Fido’s solution is obvious more guns to keep down abortions and just
>> in time the Supreme Court to the aid of your anguish.
>> --
>
> "Popular school security strategies have not stopped mass shootings."
>
> "Armed school police officers. Lockdown drills. High-tech apps for
> monitoring bullying and students’ social media posts.
>
> Like many school systems across the country, the school district in
> Uvalde, Texas, put in place a plethora of recommended safety practices
> meant, in part, to deter school shootings. But they were of little use
> on Tuesday, when a gunman killed 19 children and two teachers at Robb
> Elementary School.
>
> The district’s detailed safety plan illustrates that despite the
> widespread “hardening” of schools over the past two decades, mass
> shootings continue on with sickening frequency.
>
> “These security measures are not effective,” said Jagdish Khubchandani,
> a professor of public health at New Mexico State University who has
> studied school violence. “And they are not catching up to the ease of
> access with which people are acquiring guns in the pandemic. All records
> are being broken in gun sales.”
>
> In Uvalde, a district of 4,000 students, the school district police
> department included six officers, one of whom was involved in the police
> response. But there are questions about how the city and school police
> officers had handled the gunman.
>
> Texas districts like Uvalde have invested heavily in school policing and
> other security measures in recent years. Texas responded to the 2018
> mass shooting at Santa Fe High School with $100 million in school safety
> funding. In Uvalde, before the shooting, the city’s S.W.A.T. team
> visited all district schools in “full tactical uniforms,” according to
> the police department’s Facebook page.
>
> But there is little evidence nationally that the dollars poured into
> these kinds of prevention measures have decreased gun violence in
> schools, according to a 2019 study by Professor Khubchandani.
>
> Instead, he wrote, they may be proffering “a false sense of security.”
>
> Social-emotional strategies, including anti-bullying initiatives, also
> do not appear to forestall senseless tragedy. Uvalde had counselors and
> social workers available. Threat-assessment teams at each of the
> district’s schools were on the lookout for warning signs of suicide,
> according to the district’s safety plan.
>
> Combating bullying was a special focus. The district website displayed
> the winners of a recent bilingual bullying-prevention poster contest.
> “Kindness takes courage!” one child wrote.
>
> The district used software called Social Sentinel, which monitors
> students’ social media posts for threats, and an app called STOPit,
> which allows anonymous reports of bullying.
>
> These, too, are common practices.
>
> Ron Avi Astor, an expert on school violence at the University of
> California, Los Angeles, argued that while social-emotional supports
> have improved school climate broadly, those strategies — as well as the
> presence of campus police — have been insufficient in preventing
> suicidal, often ideological young men from accessing guns and carrying
> out attacks intended to draw fame."
> [snip]
>
> "Armed school officers have been present at some of the most infamous
> school massacres and were not able to stop those events. The officer on
> duty at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla., in 2018
> has been accused of hiding during the shooting that killed 17 people.
>
> During the Columbine shooting, a school resource officer shot at the
> gunman but missed.
>
> School policing is also divisive, in part because students of color are
> disproportionately referred to law enforcement, even for routine
> misbehavior."
> [snip]
>
> TB
>
>

kmiller wrote:
> On 5/26/2022 3:45 PM, Technobarbarian wrote:
>> On 5/26/2022 10:26 AM, George Anthony wrote:
>>> On Thursday, May 26, 2022 at 10:13:23 AM UTC-7, George.Anthony wrote:
>>>> Technobarbarian <technobarbar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 5/25/2022 7:10 PM, kmiller wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/25/2022 1:14 PM, dm_callier wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 12:18:55 PM UTC-7,
>>>>>>> Technobarbarian wrote:
>>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>> Naturally, so called, not really "conservatives" are just as
>>>>>>>> predictable. They're calling for more guns. And thoughts and
>>>>>>>> prayers.
>>>>>>>> Mustn't forget thoughts and prayers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Texas GOP officials respond to elementary school shooting by
>>>>>>>> calling
>>>>>>>> for more guns and security in schools"
>>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>> "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of the
>>>>>>> State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be
>>>>>>> infringed." The Death-Eaters cling to the illusion of securing the
>>>>>>> state while ignoring the threat to the safety of the people
>>>>>>> that easy
>>>>>>> access to firearms poses. The curiously worded and punctuated 2nd
>>>>>>> Amendment has been twisted out of shape by those that profit
>>>>>>> from the
>>>>>>> sale of fire arms and the mind boggling pro-life doctrines
>>>>>>> professed
>>>>>>> by people who don't give a shit about the lives of children after
>>>>>>> they've left the womb. I doubt anything is going to change
>>>>>>> markedly
>>>>>>> during my lifetime.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Enjoy the day,
>>>>>>> dmc
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You just want to take a great source of income away from Cancun
>>>>>> Cruz,
>>>>>> dontcha! Poor guy. How the hell is he going to fly his family to
>>>>>> Mexico
>>>>>> when it gets cold again? Huh?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Congress members with the most contributions from gun rights groups
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the wake of the Texas elementary school shooting, where 19
>>>>>> kids and 2
>>>>>> adults were killed, there is renewed scrutiny on the hundreds of
>>>>>> thousands of dollars Republican lawmakers have received in campaign
>>>>>> contributions from groups supporting gun rights.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Driving the news: Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) received the most
>>>>>> money from
>>>>>> gun rights supporters. On Tuesday, he received major backlash for
>>>>>> responding to the shooting by saying that gun control will not
>>>>>> help and
>>>>>> that "we need to devote far more law enforcement resources to
>>>>>> stopping
>>>>>> violent criminals."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Reality check: Experts say that there is a lack of evidence that
>>>>>> suggests that increased police presence in schools actually
>>>>>> improves
>>>>>> safety and instead could "significantly disrupt learning
>>>>>> environments."
>>>>>> The shooter was even engaged with law enforcement prior to
>>>>>> entering the
>>>>>> building, but he still managed to get inside and gun down people
>>>>>> in the
>>>>>> school.
>>>>>> The big picture: There's a pattern that follows congressional
>>>>>> action in
>>>>>> the wake of a mass shooting: Lawmakers will zero in on legislation
>>>>>> focused on gun control that requires bipartisan support to pass,
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> that Republicans will not stand behind, Axios' Erin Doherty
>>>>>> reports.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> By the numbers: Cruz has received over $442,000 from gun rights
>>>>>> groups,
>>>>>> according to Open Secrets, an organization that tracks money in
>>>>>> U.S.
>>>>>> politics.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Texas' other senator, John Cornyn (R), is another one of the top
>>>>>> lawmakers to receive financial contributions from gun rights
>>>>>> supporters
>>>>>> amounting to around $340,000.
>>>>>> Other Texas lawmakers supported by gun rights groups include
>>>>>> Reps. Pete
>>>>>> Sessions (R) and Dan Crenshaw (R), each of which have received over
>>>>>> $208,000 and $126,000, respectively.
>>>>>> Between the lines: The money reflected in this chart comes from
>>>>>> direct
>>>>>> contributions to lawmakers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It does not include the millions of dollars that the National Rifle
>>>>>> Association has spent in indirect spending in support and in
>>>>>> opposition
>>>>>> of specific politicians.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.axios.com/2022/05/25/ted-cruz-lawmakers-money-gun-rights-groups
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The data suggests that there are other things we need to do,
>>>>> besides gun control, to reduce the violence.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Guns have become the leading cause of death for American kids"
>>>>>
>>>>> "There were also stark racial disparities. The firearm death rate
>>>>> for
>>>>> Black children was more than four times that of white children, and
>>>>> white children were still more likely to be killed by motor vehicles
>>>>> than guns."
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.axios.com/2022/05/26/gun-deaths-children-america
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think any amount of gun control will reduce this
>>>>> disparity. Maybe we need to look at the causes of this disparity and
>>>>> address them directly. Even if we could make those kids white I
>>>>> don't
>>>>> think it would solve the underlying problems.
>>>>>
>>>>> TB
>>>>>
>>>> You finally said something that makes sense but… the policies and
>>>> politicians you support are the underlying problem. Not cases like in
>>>> Uvalde but for the high rate of children’s deaths in general.
>>>> And just
>>>> think how high it would be if the statistics included abortion
>>>> deaths.
>>>>
>>>> After 14 months, Fido is still a moron, and the orange goon is
>>>> still waiting for his handcuffs.
>>>>
>>> https://ca.news.yahoo.com/as-nation-reels-from-uvalde-massacre-supreme-court-is-expected-to-expand-gun-rights-194609414.html
>>>
>>>
>>> Fido’s solution is obvious more guns to keep down abortions and
>>> just in time the Supreme Court to the aid of your anguish.
>>> --
>>
>> "Popular school security strategies have not stopped mass shootings."
>>
>> "Armed school police officers. Lockdown drills. High-tech apps for
>> monitoring bullying and students’ social media posts.
>>
>> Like many school systems across the country, the school district in
>> Uvalde, Texas, put in place a plethora of recommended safety
>> practices meant, in part, to deter school shootings. But they were
>> of little use on Tuesday, when a gunman killed 19 children and two
>> teachers at Robb Elementary School.
>>
>> The district’s detailed safety plan illustrates that despite the
>> widespread “hardening” of schools over the past two decades,
>> mass shootings continue on with sickening frequency.
>>
>> “These security measures are not effective,” said Jagdish
>> Khubchandani, a professor of public health at New Mexico State
>> University who has studied school violence. “And they are not
>> catching up to the ease of access with which people are acquiring
>> guns in the pandemic. All records are being broken in gun sales.”
>>
>> In Uvalde, a district of 4,000 students, the school district police
>> department included six officers, one of whom was involved in the
>> police response. But there are questions about how the city and
>> school police officers had handled the gunman.
>>
>> Texas districts like Uvalde have invested heavily in school policing
>> and other security measures in recent years. Texas responded to the
>> 2018 mass shooting at Santa Fe High School with $100 million in
>> school safety funding. In Uvalde, before the shooting, the city’s
>> S.W.A.T. team visited all district schools in “full tactical
>> uniforms,” according to the police department’s Facebook page.
>>
>> But there is little evidence nationally that the dollars poured into
>> these kinds of prevention measures have decreased gun violence in
>> schools, according to a 2019 study by Professor Khubchandani.
>>
>> Instead, he wrote, they may be proffering “a false sense of
>> security.”
>>
>> Social-emotional strategies, including anti-bullying initiatives,
>> also do not appear to forestall senseless tragedy. Uvalde had
>> counselors and social workers available. Threat-assessment teams at
>> each of the district’s schools were on the lookout for warning
>> signs of suicide, according to the district’s safety plan.
>>
>> Combating bullying was a special focus. The district website
>> displayed the winners of a recent bilingual bullying-prevention
>> poster contest. “Kindness takes courage!” one child wrote.
>>
>> The district used software called Social Sentinel, which monitors
>> students’ social media posts for threats, and an app called
>> STOPit, which allows anonymous reports of bullying.
>>
>> These, too, are common practices.
>>
>> Ron Avi Astor, an expert on school violence at the University of
>> California, Los Angeles, argued that while social-emotional supports
>> have improved school climate broadly, those strategies — as well
>> as the presence of campus police — have been insufficient in
>> preventing suicidal, often ideological young men from accessing guns
>> and carrying out attacks intended to draw fame."
>> [snip]
>>
>> "Armed school officers have been present at some of the most
>> infamous school massacres and were not able to stop those events.
>> The officer on duty at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in
>> Parkland, Fla., in 2018 has been accused of hiding during the
>> shooting that killed 17 people.
>>
>> During the Columbine shooting, a school resource officer shot at the
>> gunman but missed.
>>
>> School policing is also divisive, in part because students of color
>> are disproportionately referred to law enforcement, even for routine
>> misbehavior."
>> [snip]
>>
>> TB
>>
>>
>
> Even if they could lock down the schools, and it's obvious that they
> can't, what's to stop them fathead screwballs from spraying the buses
> or the playgrounds or any of hundreds of other gathering spots?

On 5/26/2022 6:57 PM, bfh wrote:
> kmiller wrote:
>> On 5/26/2022 3:45 PM, Technobarbarian wrote:
>>> On 5/26/2022 10:26 AM, George Anthony wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, May 26, 2022 at 10:13:23 AM UTC-7, George.Anthony wrote:
>>>>> Technobarbarian <technobarbar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/25/2022 7:10 PM, kmiller wrote:
>>>>>>> On 5/25/2022 1:14 PM, dm_callier wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 12:18:55 PM UTC-7, Technobarbarian
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>> Naturally, so called, not really "conservatives" are just as
>>>>>>>>> predictable. They're calling for more guns. And thoughts and
>>>>>>>>> prayers.
>>>>>>>>> Mustn't forget thoughts and prayers.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Texas GOP officials respond to elementary school shooting by
>>>>>>>>> calling
>>>>>>>>> for more guns and security in schools"
>>>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>> "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of the
>>>>>>>> State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be
>>>>>>>> infringed." The Death-Eaters cling to the illusion of securing the
>>>>>>>> state while ignoring the threat to the safety of the people that
>>>>>>>> easy
>>>>>>>> access to firearms poses. The curiously worded and punctuated 2nd
>>>>>>>> Amendment has been twisted out of shape by those that profit
>>>>>>>> from the
>>>>>>>> sale of fire arms and the mind boggling pro-life doctrines
>>>>>>>> professed
>>>>>>>> by people who don't give a shit about the lives of children after
>>>>>>>> they've left the womb. I doubt anything is going to change markedly
>>>>>>>> during my lifetime.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Enjoy the day,
>>>>>>>> dmc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You just want to take a great source of income away from Cancun
>>>>>>> Cruz,
>>>>>>> dontcha! Poor guy. How the hell is he going to fly his family to
>>>>>>> Mexico
>>>>>>> when it gets cold again? Huh?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Congress members with the most contributions from gun rights groups
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In the wake of the Texas elementary school shooting, where 19
>>>>>>> kids and 2
>>>>>>> adults were killed, there is renewed scrutiny on the hundreds of
>>>>>>> thousands of dollars Republican lawmakers have received in campaign
>>>>>>> contributions from groups supporting gun rights.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Driving the news: Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) received the most money
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>> gun rights supporters. On Tuesday, he received major backlash for
>>>>>>> responding to the shooting by saying that gun control will not
>>>>>>> help and
>>>>>>> that "we need to devote far more law enforcement resources to
>>>>>>> stopping
>>>>>>> violent criminals."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Reality check: Experts say that there is a lack of evidence that
>>>>>>> suggests that increased police presence in schools actually improves
>>>>>>> safety and instead could "significantly disrupt learning
>>>>>>> environments."
>>>>>>> The shooter was even engaged with law enforcement prior to
>>>>>>> entering the
>>>>>>> building, but he still managed to get inside and gun down people
>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>> school.
>>>>>>> The big picture: There's a pattern that follows congressional
>>>>>>> action in
>>>>>>> the wake of a mass shooting: Lawmakers will zero in on legislation
>>>>>>> focused on gun control that requires bipartisan support to pass, but
>>>>>>> that Republicans will not stand behind, Axios' Erin Doherty reports.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> By the numbers: Cruz has received over $442,000 from gun rights
>>>>>>> groups,
>>>>>>> according to Open Secrets, an organization that tracks money in U.S.
>>>>>>> politics.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Texas' other senator, John Cornyn (R), is another one of the top
>>>>>>> lawmakers to receive financial contributions from gun rights
>>>>>>> supporters
>>>>>>> amounting to around $340,000.
>>>>>>> Other Texas lawmakers supported by gun rights groups include
>>>>>>> Reps. Pete
>>>>>>> Sessions (R) and Dan Crenshaw (R), each of which have received over
>>>>>>> $208,000 and $126,000, respectively.
>>>>>>> Between the lines: The money reflected in this chart comes from
>>>>>>> direct
>>>>>>> contributions to lawmakers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It does not include the millions of dollars that the National Rifle
>>>>>>> Association has spent in indirect spending in support and in
>>>>>>> opposition
>>>>>>> of specific politicians.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.axios.com/2022/05/25/ted-cruz-lawmakers-money-gun-rights-groups
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The data suggests that there are other things we need to do,
>>>>>> besides gun control, to reduce the violence.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Guns have become the leading cause of death for American kids"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "There were also stark racial disparities. The firearm death rate for
>>>>>> Black children was more than four times that of white children, and
>>>>>> white children were still more likely to be killed by motor vehicles
>>>>>> than guns."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.axios.com/2022/05/26/gun-deaths-children-america
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't think any amount of gun control will reduce this
>>>>>> disparity. Maybe we need to look at the causes of this disparity and
>>>>>> address them directly. Even if we could make those kids white I don't
>>>>>> think it would solve the underlying problems.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TB
>>>>>>
>>>>> You finally said something that makes sense but… the policies and
>>>>> politicians you support are the underlying problem. Not cases like in
>>>>> Uvalde but for the high rate of children’s deaths in general. And
>>>>> just
>>>>> think how high it would be if the statistics included abortion deaths.
>>>>>
>>>>> After 14 months, Fido is still a moron, and the orange goon is
>>>>> still waiting for his handcuffs.
>>>>>
>>>> https://ca.news.yahoo.com/as-nation-reels-from-uvalde-massacre-supreme-court-is-expected-to-expand-gun-rights-194609414.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Fido’s solution is obvious more guns to keep down abortions and
>>>> just in time the Supreme Court to the aid of your anguish.
>>>> --
>>>
>>> "Popular school security strategies have not stopped mass shootings."
>>>
>>> "Armed school police officers. Lockdown drills. High-tech apps for
>>> monitoring bullying and students’ social media posts.
>>>
>>> Like many school systems across the country, the school district in
>>> Uvalde, Texas, put in place a plethora of recommended safety
>>> practices meant, in part, to deter school shootings. But they were of
>>> little use on Tuesday, when a gunman killed 19 children and two
>>> teachers at Robb Elementary School.
>>>
>>> The district’s detailed safety plan illustrates that despite the
>>> widespread “hardening” of schools over the past two decades, mass
>>> shootings continue on with sickening frequency.
>>>
>>> “These security measures are not effective,” said Jagdish
>>> Khubchandani, a professor of public health at New Mexico State
>>> University who has studied school violence. “And they are not
>>> catching up to the ease of access with which people are acquiring
>>> guns in the pandemic. All records are being broken in gun sales.”
>>>
>>> In Uvalde, a district of 4,000 students, the school district police
>>> department included six officers, one of whom was involved in the
>>> police response. But there are questions about how the city and
>>> school police officers had handled the gunman.
>>>
>>> Texas districts like Uvalde have invested heavily in school policing
>>> and other security measures in recent years. Texas responded to the
>>> 2018 mass shooting at Santa Fe High School with $100 million in
>>> school safety funding. In Uvalde, before the shooting, the city’s
>>> S.W.A.T. team visited all district schools in “full tactical
>>> uniforms,” according to the police department’s Facebook page.
>>>
>>> But there is little evidence nationally that the dollars poured into
>>> these kinds of prevention measures have decreased gun violence in
>>> schools, according to a 2019 study by Professor Khubchandani.
>>>
>>> Instead, he wrote, they may be proffering “a false sense of
>>> security.”
>>>
>>> Social-emotional strategies, including anti-bullying initiatives,
>>> also do not appear to forestall senseless tragedy. Uvalde had
>>> counselors and social workers available. Threat-assessment teams at
>>> each of the district’s schools were on the lookout for warning
>>> signs of suicide, according to the district’s safety plan.
>>>
>>> Combating bullying was a special focus. The district website
>>> displayed the winners of a recent bilingual bullying-prevention
>>> poster contest. “Kindness takes courage!” one child wrote.
>>>
>>> The district used software called Social Sentinel, which monitors
>>> students’ social media posts for threats, and an app called STOPit,
>>> which allows anonymous reports of bullying.
>>>
>>> These, too, are common practices.
>>>
>>> Ron Avi Astor, an expert on school violence at the University of
>>> California, Los Angeles, argued that while social-emotional supports
>>> have improved school climate broadly, those strategies — as well as
>>> the presence of campus police — have been insufficient in
>>> preventing suicidal, often ideological young men from accessing guns
>>> and carrying out attacks intended to draw fame."
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>> "Armed school officers have been present at some of the most infamous
>>> school massacres and were not able to stop those events. The officer
>>> on duty at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla., in
>>> 2018 has been accused of hiding during the shooting that killed 17
>>> people.
>>>
>>> During the Columbine shooting, a school resource officer shot at the
>>> gunman but missed.
>>>
>>> School policing is also divisive, in part because students of color
>>> are disproportionately referred to law enforcement, even for routine
>>> misbehavior."
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>> TB
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Even if they could lock down the schools, and it's obvious that they
>> can't, what's to stop them fathead screwballs from spraying the buses
>> or the playgrounds or any of hundreds of other gathering spots?
>
> I dunno - what will?

kmiller wrote:
> On 5/26/2022 6:57 PM, bfh wrote:
>> kmiller wrote:
>>> On 5/26/2022 3:45 PM, Technobarbarian wrote:
>>>> On 5/26/2022 10:26 AM, George Anthony wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, May 26, 2022 at 10:13:23 AM UTC-7, George.Anthony
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Technobarbarian <technobarbar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 5/25/2022 7:10 PM, kmiller wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 5/25/2022 1:14 PM, dm_callier wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 12:18:55 PM UTC-7,
>>>>>>>>> Technobarbarian wrote:
>>>>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>>> Naturally, so called, not really "conservatives" are just as
>>>>>>>>>> predictable. They're calling for more guns. And thoughts and
>>>>>>>>>> prayers.
>>>>>>>>>> Mustn't forget thoughts and prayers.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Texas GOP officials respond to elementary school shooting
>>>>>>>>>> by calling
>>>>>>>>>> for more guns and security in schools"
>>>>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>> "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall
>>>>>>>>> not be
>>>>>>>>> infringed." The Death-Eaters cling to the illusion of
>>>>>>>>> securing the
>>>>>>>>> state while ignoring the threat to the safety of the people
>>>>>>>>> that easy
>>>>>>>>> access to firearms poses. The curiously worded and punctuated
>>>>>>>>> 2nd
>>>>>>>>> Amendment has been twisted out of shape by those that profit
>>>>>>>>> from the
>>>>>>>>> sale of fire arms and the mind boggling pro-life doctrines
>>>>>>>>> professed
>>>>>>>>> by people who don't give a shit about the lives of children
>>>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>>> they've left the womb. I doubt anything is going to change
>>>>>>>>> markedly
>>>>>>>>> during my lifetime.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Enjoy the day,
>>>>>>>>> dmc
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You just want to take a great source of income away from
>>>>>>>> Cancun Cruz,
>>>>>>>> dontcha! Poor guy. How the hell is he going to fly his family
>>>>>>>> to Mexico
>>>>>>>> when it gets cold again? Huh?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Congress members with the most contributions from gun rights
>>>>>>>> groups
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In the wake of the Texas elementary school shooting, where 19
>>>>>>>> kids and 2
>>>>>>>> adults were killed, there is renewed scrutiny on the hundreds of
>>>>>>>> thousands of dollars Republican lawmakers have received in
>>>>>>>> campaign
>>>>>>>> contributions from groups supporting gun rights.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Driving the news: Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) received the most
>>>>>>>> money from
>>>>>>>> gun rights supporters. On Tuesday, he received major backlash for
>>>>>>>> responding to the shooting by saying that gun control will not
>>>>>>>> help and
>>>>>>>> that "we need to devote far more law enforcement resources to
>>>>>>>> stopping
>>>>>>>> violent criminals."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Reality check: Experts say that there is a lack of evidence that
>>>>>>>> suggests that increased police presence in schools actually
>>>>>>>> improves
>>>>>>>> safety and instead could "significantly disrupt learning
>>>>>>>> environments."
>>>>>>>> The shooter was even engaged with law enforcement prior to
>>>>>>>> entering the
>>>>>>>> building, but he still managed to get inside and gun down
>>>>>>>> people in the
>>>>>>>> school.
>>>>>>>> The big picture: There's a pattern that follows congressional
>>>>>>>> action in
>>>>>>>> the wake of a mass shooting: Lawmakers will zero in on
>>>>>>>> legislation
>>>>>>>> focused on gun control that requires bipartisan support to
>>>>>>>> pass, but
>>>>>>>> that Republicans will not stand behind, Axios' Erin Doherty
>>>>>>>> reports.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> By the numbers: Cruz has received over $442,000 from gun
>>>>>>>> rights groups,
>>>>>>>> according to Open Secrets, an organization that tracks money
>>>>>>>> in U.S.
>>>>>>>> politics.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Texas' other senator, John Cornyn (R), is another one of the top
>>>>>>>> lawmakers to receive financial contributions from gun rights
>>>>>>>> supporters
>>>>>>>> amounting to around $340,000.
>>>>>>>> Other Texas lawmakers supported by gun rights groups include
>>>>>>>> Reps. Pete
>>>>>>>> Sessions (R) and Dan Crenshaw (R), each of which have received
>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>> $208,000 and $126,000, respectively.
>>>>>>>> Between the lines: The money reflected in this chart comes
>>>>>>>> from direct
>>>>>>>> contributions to lawmakers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It does not include the millions of dollars that the National
>>>>>>>> Rifle
>>>>>>>> Association has spent in indirect spending in support and in
>>>>>>>> opposition
>>>>>>>> of specific politicians.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.axios.com/2022/05/25/ted-cruz-lawmakers-money-gun-rights-groups
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The data suggests that there are other things we need to do,
>>>>>>> besides gun control, to reduce the violence.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Guns have become the leading cause of death for American kids"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "There were also stark racial disparities. The firearm death
>>>>>>> rate for
>>>>>>> Black children was more than four times that of white children,
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> white children were still more likely to be killed by motor
>>>>>>> vehicles
>>>>>>> than guns."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.axios.com/2022/05/26/gun-deaths-children-america
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't think any amount of gun control will reduce this
>>>>>>> disparity. Maybe we need to look at the causes of this
>>>>>>> disparity and
>>>>>>> address them directly. Even if we could make those kids white I
>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>> think it would solve the underlying problems.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TB
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> You finally said something that makes sense but… the
>>>>>> policies and
>>>>>> politicians you support are the underlying problem. Not cases
>>>>>> like in
>>>>>> Uvalde but for the high rate of children’s deaths in
>>>>>> general. And just
>>>>>> think how high it would be if the statistics included abortion
>>>>>> deaths.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> After 14 months, Fido is still a moron, and the orange goon is
>>>>>> still waiting for his handcuffs.
>>>>>>
>>>>> https://ca.news.yahoo.com/as-nation-reels-from-uvalde-massacre-supreme-court-is-expected-to-expand-gun-rights-194609414.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Fido’s solution is obvious more guns to keep down
>>>>> abortions and just in time the Supreme Court to the aid of your
>>>>> anguish.
>>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> "Popular school security strategies have not stopped mass shootings."
>>>>
>>>> "Armed school police officers. Lockdown drills. High-tech apps for
>>>> monitoring bullying and students’ social media posts.
>>>>
>>>> Like many school systems across the country, the school district
>>>> in Uvalde, Texas, put in place a plethora of recommended safety
>>>> practices meant, in part, to deter school shootings. But they were
>>>> of little use on Tuesday, when a gunman killed 19 children and two
>>>> teachers at Robb Elementary School.
>>>>
>>>> The district’s detailed safety plan illustrates that
>>>> despite the widespread “hardening” of schools over the
>>>> past two decades, mass shootings continue on with sickening
>>>> frequency.
>>>>
>>>> “These security measures are not effective,” said
>>>> Jagdish Khubchandani, a professor of public health at New Mexico
>>>> State University who has studied school violence. “And they
>>>> are not catching up to the ease of access with which people are
>>>> acquiring guns in the pandemic. All records are being broken in
>>>> gun sales.”
>>>>
>>>> In Uvalde, a district of 4,000 students, the school district
>>>> police department included six officers, one of whom was involved
>>>> in the police response. But there are questions about how the city
>>>> and school police officers had handled the gunman.
>>>>
>>>> Texas districts like Uvalde have invested heavily in school
>>>> policing and other security measures in recent years. Texas
>>>> responded to the 2018 mass shooting at Santa Fe High School with
>>>> $100 million in school safety funding. In Uvalde, before the
>>>> shooting, the city’s S.W.A.T. team visited all district
>>>> schools in “full tactical uniforms,” according to the
>>>> police department’s Facebook page.
>>>>
>>>> But there is little evidence nationally that the dollars poured
>>>> into these kinds of prevention measures have decreased gun
>>>> violence in schools, according to a 2019 study by Professor
>>>> Khubchandani.
>>>>
>>>> Instead, he wrote, they may be proffering “a false sense
>>>> of security.”
>>>>
>>>> Social-emotional strategies, including anti-bullying initiatives,
>>>> also do not appear to forestall senseless tragedy. Uvalde had
>>>> counselors and social workers available. Threat-assessment teams
>>>> at each of the district’s schools were on the lookout for
>>>> warning signs of suicide, according to the district’s
>>>> safety plan.
>>>>
>>>> Combating bullying was a special focus. The district website
>>>> displayed the winners of a recent bilingual bullying-prevention
>>>> poster contest. “Kindness takes courage!” one child
>>>> wrote.
>>>>
>>>> The district used software called Social Sentinel, which monitors
>>>> students’ social media posts for threats, and an app called
>>>> STOPit, which allows anonymous reports of bullying.
>>>>
>>>> These, too, are common practices.
>>>>
>>>> Ron Avi Astor, an expert on school violence at the University of
>>>> California, Los Angeles, argued that while social-emotional
>>>> supports have improved school climate broadly, those strategies
>>>> — as well as the presence of campus police — have
>>>> been insufficient in preventing suicidal, often ideological young
>>>> men from accessing guns and carrying out attacks intended to draw
>>>> fame."
>>>> [snip]
>>>>
>>>> "Armed school officers have been present at some of the most
>>>> infamous school massacres and were not able to stop those events.
>>>> The officer on duty at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in
>>>> Parkland, Fla., in 2018 has been accused of hiding during the
>>>> shooting that killed 17 people.
>>>>
>>>> During the Columbine shooting, a school resource officer shot at
>>>> the gunman but missed.
>>>>
>>>> School policing is also divisive, in part because students of
>>>> color are disproportionately referred to law enforcement, even for
>>>> routine misbehavior."
>>>> [snip]
>>>>
>>>> TB
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Even if they could lock down the schools, and it's obvious that
>>> they can't, what's to stop them fathead screwballs from spraying
>>> the buses or the playgrounds or any of hundreds of other gathering
>>> spots?
>>
>> I dunno - what will?
>
> Monkeypox

On 5/26/2022 8:14 PM, bfh wrote:
> kmiller wrote:
>> On 5/26/2022 6:57 PM, bfh wrote:
>>> kmiller wrote:
>>>> On 5/26/2022 3:45 PM, Technobarbarian wrote:
>>>>> On 5/26/2022 10:26 AM, George Anthony wrote:
>>>>>> On Thursday, May 26, 2022 at 10:13:23 AM UTC-7, George.Anthony wrote:
>>>>>>> Technobarbarian <technobarbar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 5/25/2022 7:10 PM, kmiller wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 5/25/2022 1:14 PM, dm_callier wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 12:18:55 PM UTC-7,
>>>>>>>>>> Technobarbarian wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>>>> Naturally, so called, not really "conservatives" are just as
>>>>>>>>>>> predictable. They're calling for more guns. And thoughts and
>>>>>>>>>>> prayers.
>>>>>>>>>>> Mustn't forget thoughts and prayers.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Texas GOP officials respond to elementary school shooting by
>>>>>>>>>>> calling
>>>>>>>>>>> for more guns and security in schools"
>>>>>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>>> "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of the
>>>>>>>>>> State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall
>>>>>>>>>> not be
>>>>>>>>>> infringed." The Death-Eaters cling to the illusion of securing
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> state while ignoring the threat to the safety of the people
>>>>>>>>>> that easy
>>>>>>>>>> access to firearms poses. The curiously worded and punctuated 2nd
>>>>>>>>>> Amendment has been twisted out of shape by those that profit
>>>>>>>>>> from the
>>>>>>>>>> sale of fire arms and the mind boggling pro-life doctrines
>>>>>>>>>> professed
>>>>>>>>>> by people who don't give a shit about the lives of children after
>>>>>>>>>> they've left the womb. I doubt anything is going to change
>>>>>>>>>> markedly
>>>>>>>>>> during my lifetime.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Enjoy the day,
>>>>>>>>>> dmc
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You just want to take a great source of income away from Cancun
>>>>>>>>> Cruz,
>>>>>>>>> dontcha! Poor guy. How the hell is he going to fly his family
>>>>>>>>> to Mexico
>>>>>>>>> when it gets cold again? Huh?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Congress members with the most contributions from gun rights
>>>>>>>>> groups
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In the wake of the Texas elementary school shooting, where 19
>>>>>>>>> kids and 2
>>>>>>>>> adults were killed, there is renewed scrutiny on the hundreds of
>>>>>>>>> thousands of dollars Republican lawmakers have received in
>>>>>>>>> campaign
>>>>>>>>> contributions from groups supporting gun rights.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Driving the news: Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) received the most
>>>>>>>>> money from
>>>>>>>>> gun rights supporters. On Tuesday, he received major backlash for
>>>>>>>>> responding to the shooting by saying that gun control will not
>>>>>>>>> help and
>>>>>>>>> that "we need to devote far more law enforcement resources to
>>>>>>>>> stopping
>>>>>>>>> violent criminals."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Reality check: Experts say that there is a lack of evidence that
>>>>>>>>> suggests that increased police presence in schools actually
>>>>>>>>> improves
>>>>>>>>> safety and instead could "significantly disrupt learning
>>>>>>>>> environments."
>>>>>>>>> The shooter was even engaged with law enforcement prior to
>>>>>>>>> entering the
>>>>>>>>> building, but he still managed to get inside and gun down
>>>>>>>>> people in the
>>>>>>>>> school.
>>>>>>>>> The big picture: There's a pattern that follows congressional
>>>>>>>>> action in
>>>>>>>>> the wake of a mass shooting: Lawmakers will zero in on legislation
>>>>>>>>> focused on gun control that requires bipartisan support to
>>>>>>>>> pass, but
>>>>>>>>> that Republicans will not stand behind, Axios' Erin Doherty
>>>>>>>>> reports.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> By the numbers: Cruz has received over $442,000 from gun rights
>>>>>>>>> groups,
>>>>>>>>> according to Open Secrets, an organization that tracks money in
>>>>>>>>> U.S.
>>>>>>>>> politics.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Texas' other senator, John Cornyn (R), is another one of the top
>>>>>>>>> lawmakers to receive financial contributions from gun rights
>>>>>>>>> supporters
>>>>>>>>> amounting to around $340,000.
>>>>>>>>> Other Texas lawmakers supported by gun rights groups include
>>>>>>>>> Reps. Pete
>>>>>>>>> Sessions (R) and Dan Crenshaw (R), each of which have received
>>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>>> $208,000 and $126,000, respectively.
>>>>>>>>> Between the lines: The money reflected in this chart comes from
>>>>>>>>> direct
>>>>>>>>> contributions to lawmakers.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It does not include the millions of dollars that the National
>>>>>>>>> Rifle
>>>>>>>>> Association has spent in indirect spending in support and in
>>>>>>>>> opposition
>>>>>>>>> of specific politicians.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.axios.com/2022/05/25/ted-cruz-lawmakers-money-gun-rights-groups
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The data suggests that there are other things we need to do,
>>>>>>>> besides gun control, to reduce the violence.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Guns have become the leading cause of death for American kids"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "There were also stark racial disparities. The firearm death
>>>>>>>> rate for
>>>>>>>> Black children was more than four times that of white children, and
>>>>>>>> white children were still more likely to be killed by motor
>>>>>>>> vehicles
>>>>>>>> than guns."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.axios.com/2022/05/26/gun-deaths-children-america
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't think any amount of gun control will reduce this
>>>>>>>> disparity. Maybe we need to look at the causes of this disparity
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> address them directly. Even if we could make those kids white I
>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>> think it would solve the underlying problems.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> TB
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You finally said something that makes sense but… the
>>>>>>> policies and
>>>>>>> politicians you support are the underlying problem. Not cases
>>>>>>> like in
>>>>>>> Uvalde but for the high rate of children’s deaths in
>>>>>>> general. And just
>>>>>>> think how high it would be if the statistics included abortion
>>>>>>> deaths.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> After 14 months, Fido is still a moron, and the orange goon is
>>>>>>> still waiting for his handcuffs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://ca.news.yahoo.com/as-nation-reels-from-uvalde-massacre-supreme-court-is-expected-to-expand-gun-rights-194609414.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fido’s solution is obvious more guns to keep down abortions
>>>>>> and just in time the Supreme Court to the aid of your anguish.
>>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> "Popular school security strategies have not stopped mass shootings."
>>>>>
>>>>> "Armed school police officers. Lockdown drills. High-tech apps for
>>>>> monitoring bullying and students’ social media posts.
>>>>>
>>>>> Like many school systems across the country, the school district in
>>>>> Uvalde, Texas, put in place a plethora of recommended safety
>>>>> practices meant, in part, to deter school shootings. But they were
>>>>> of little use on Tuesday, when a gunman killed 19 children and two
>>>>> teachers at Robb Elementary School.
>>>>>
>>>>> The district’s detailed safety plan illustrates that despite
>>>>> the widespread “hardening” of schools over the past two
>>>>> decades, mass shootings continue on with sickening frequency.
>>>>>
>>>>> “These security measures are not effective,” said
>>>>> Jagdish Khubchandani, a professor of public health at New Mexico
>>>>> State University who has studied school violence. “And they
>>>>> are not catching up to the ease of access with which people are
>>>>> acquiring guns in the pandemic. All records are being broken in
>>>>> gun sales.”
>>>>>
>>>>> In Uvalde, a district of 4,000 students, the school district police
>>>>> department included six officers, one of whom was involved in the
>>>>> police response. But there are questions about how the city and
>>>>> school police officers had handled the gunman.
>>>>>
>>>>> Texas districts like Uvalde have invested heavily in school
>>>>> policing and other security measures in recent years. Texas
>>>>> responded to the 2018 mass shooting at Santa Fe High School with
>>>>> $100 million in school safety funding. In Uvalde, before the
>>>>> shooting, the city’s S.W.A.T. team visited all district
>>>>> schools in “full tactical uniforms,” according to the
>>>>> police department’s Facebook page.
>>>>>
>>>>> But there is little evidence nationally that the dollars poured
>>>>> into these kinds of prevention measures have decreased gun violence
>>>>> in schools, according to a 2019 study by Professor Khubchandani.
>>>>>
>>>>> Instead, he wrote, they may be proffering “a false sense of
>>>>> security.”
>>>>>
>>>>> Social-emotional strategies, including anti-bullying initiatives,
>>>>> also do not appear to forestall senseless tragedy. Uvalde had
>>>>> counselors and social workers available. Threat-assessment teams at
>>>>> each of the district’s schools were on the lookout for
>>>>> warning signs of suicide, according to the district’s safety
>>>>> plan.
>>>>>
>>>>> Combating bullying was a special focus. The district website
>>>>> displayed the winners of a recent bilingual bullying-prevention
>>>>> poster contest. “Kindness takes courage!” one child wrote.
>>>>>
>>>>> The district used software called Social Sentinel, which monitors
>>>>> students’ social media posts for threats, and an app called
>>>>> STOPit, which allows anonymous reports of bullying.
>>>>>
>>>>> These, too, are common practices.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ron Avi Astor, an expert on school violence at the University of
>>>>> California, Los Angeles, argued that while social-emotional
>>>>> supports have improved school climate broadly, those strategies
>>>>> — as well as the presence of campus police — have
>>>>> been insufficient in preventing suicidal, often ideological young
>>>>> men from accessing guns and carrying out attacks intended to draw
>>>>> fame."
>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>
>>>>> "Armed school officers have been present at some of the most
>>>>> infamous school massacres and were not able to stop those events.
>>>>> The officer on duty at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in
>>>>> Parkland, Fla., in 2018 has been accused of hiding during the
>>>>> shooting that killed 17 people.
>>>>>
>>>>> During the Columbine shooting, a school resource officer shot at
>>>>> the gunman but missed.
>>>>>
>>>>> School policing is also divisive, in part because students of color
>>>>> are disproportionately referred to law enforcement, even for
>>>>> routine misbehavior."
>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>
>>>>> TB
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Even if they could lock down the schools, and it's obvious that they
>>>> can't, what's to stop them fathead screwballs from spraying the
>>>> buses or the playgrounds or any of hundreds of other gathering spots?
>>>
>>> I dunno - what will?
>>
>> Monkeypox
>
> Will that need a law to work?
>
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kmiller wrote:
> On 5/26/2022 8:14 PM, bfh wrote:
>> kmiller wrote:
>>> On 5/26/2022 6:57 PM, bfh wrote:
>>>> kmiller wrote:
>>>>> On 5/26/2022 3:45 PM, Technobarbarian wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/26/2022 10:26 AM, George Anthony wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thursday, May 26, 2022 at 10:13:23 AM UTC-7, George.Anthony
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Technobarbarian <technobarbar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 5/25/2022 7:10 PM, kmiller wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/25/2022 1:14 PM, dm_callier wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 12:18:55 PM UTC-7,
>>>>>>>>>>> Technobarbarian wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Naturally, so called, not really "conservatives" are just as
>>>>>>>>>>>> predictable. They're calling for more guns. And thoughts
>>>>>>>>>>>> and prayers.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mustn't forget thoughts and prayers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Texas GOP officials respond to elementary school shooting
>>>>>>>>>>>> by calling
>>>>>>>>>>>> for more guns and security in schools"
>>>>>>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>>>> "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security
>>>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>>>> State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall
>>>>>>>>>>> not be
>>>>>>>>>>> infringed." The Death-Eaters cling to the illusion of
>>>>>>>>>>> securing the
>>>>>>>>>>> state while ignoring the threat to the safety of the people
>>>>>>>>>>> that easy
>>>>>>>>>>> access to firearms poses. The curiously worded and
>>>>>>>>>>> punctuated 2nd
>>>>>>>>>>> Amendment has been twisted out of shape by those that
>>>>>>>>>>> profit from the
>>>>>>>>>>> sale of fire arms and the mind boggling pro-life doctrines
>>>>>>>>>>> professed
>>>>>>>>>>> by people who don't give a shit about the lives of children
>>>>>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>>>>> they've left the womb. I doubt anything is going to change
>>>>>>>>>>> markedly
>>>>>>>>>>> during my lifetime.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Enjoy the day,
>>>>>>>>>>> dmc
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You just want to take a great source of income away from
>>>>>>>>>> Cancun Cruz,
>>>>>>>>>> dontcha! Poor guy. How the hell is he going to fly his
>>>>>>>>>> family to Mexico
>>>>>>>>>> when it gets cold again? Huh?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Congress members with the most contributions from gun rights
>>>>>>>>>> groups
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In the wake of the Texas elementary school shooting, where
>>>>>>>>>> 19 kids and 2
>>>>>>>>>> adults were killed, there is renewed scrutiny on the
>>>>>>>>>> hundreds of
>>>>>>>>>> thousands of dollars Republican lawmakers have received in
>>>>>>>>>> campaign
>>>>>>>>>> contributions from groups supporting gun rights.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Driving the news: Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) received the most
>>>>>>>>>> money from
>>>>>>>>>> gun rights supporters. On Tuesday, he received major
>>>>>>>>>> backlash for
>>>>>>>>>> responding to the shooting by saying that gun control will
>>>>>>>>>> not help and
>>>>>>>>>> that "we need to devote far more law enforcement resources
>>>>>>>>>> to stopping
>>>>>>>>>> violent criminals."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Reality check: Experts say that there is a lack of evidence
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> suggests that increased police presence in schools actually
>>>>>>>>>> improves
>>>>>>>>>> safety and instead could "significantly disrupt learning
>>>>>>>>>> environments."
>>>>>>>>>> The shooter was even engaged with law enforcement prior to
>>>>>>>>>> entering the
>>>>>>>>>> building, but he still managed to get inside and gun down
>>>>>>>>>> people in the
>>>>>>>>>> school.
>>>>>>>>>> The big picture: There's a pattern that follows
>>>>>>>>>> congressional action in
>>>>>>>>>> the wake of a mass shooting: Lawmakers will zero in on
>>>>>>>>>> legislation
>>>>>>>>>> focused on gun control that requires bipartisan support to
>>>>>>>>>> pass, but
>>>>>>>>>> that Republicans will not stand behind, Axios' Erin Doherty
>>>>>>>>>> reports.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> By the numbers: Cruz has received over $442,000 from gun
>>>>>>>>>> rights groups,
>>>>>>>>>> according to Open Secrets, an organization that tracks money
>>>>>>>>>> in U.S.
>>>>>>>>>> politics.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Texas' other senator, John Cornyn (R), is another one of the
>>>>>>>>>> top
>>>>>>>>>> lawmakers to receive financial contributions from gun rights
>>>>>>>>>> supporters
>>>>>>>>>> amounting to around $340,000.
>>>>>>>>>> Other Texas lawmakers supported by gun rights groups include
>>>>>>>>>> Reps. Pete
>>>>>>>>>> Sessions (R) and Dan Crenshaw (R), each of which have
>>>>>>>>>> received over
>>>>>>>>>> $208,000 and $126,000, respectively.
>>>>>>>>>> Between the lines: The money reflected in this chart comes
>>>>>>>>>> from direct
>>>>>>>>>> contributions to lawmakers.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It does not include the millions of dollars that the
>>>>>>>>>> National Rifle
>>>>>>>>>> Association has spent in indirect spending in support and in
>>>>>>>>>> opposition
>>>>>>>>>> of specific politicians.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.axios.com/2022/05/25/ted-cruz-lawmakers-money-gun-rights-groups
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The data suggests that there are other things we need to do,
>>>>>>>>> besides gun control, to reduce the violence.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Guns have become the leading cause of death for American kids"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "There were also stark racial disparities. The firearm death
>>>>>>>>> rate for
>>>>>>>>> Black children was more than four times that of white
>>>>>>>>> children, and
>>>>>>>>> white children were still more likely to be killed by motor
>>>>>>>>> vehicles
>>>>>>>>> than guns."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.axios.com/2022/05/26/gun-deaths-children-america
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't think any amount of gun control will reduce this
>>>>>>>>> disparity. Maybe we need to look at the causes of this
>>>>>>>>> disparity and
>>>>>>>>> address them directly. Even if we could make those kids white
>>>>>>>>> I don't
>>>>>>>>> think it would solve the underlying problems.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> TB
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You finally said something that makes sense but…
>>>>>>>> the policies and
>>>>>>>> politicians you support are the underlying problem. Not cases
>>>>>>>> like in
>>>>>>>> Uvalde but for the high rate of children’s
>>>>>>>> deaths in general. And just
>>>>>>>> think how high it would be if the statistics included abortion
>>>>>>>> deaths.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> After 14 months, Fido is still a moron, and the orange goon is
>>>>>>>> still waiting for his handcuffs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://ca.news.yahoo.com/as-nation-reels-from-uvalde-massacre-supreme-court-is-expected-to-expand-gun-rights-194609414.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fido’s solution is obvious more guns to keep
>>>>>>> down abortions and just in time the Supreme Court to the aid of
>>>>>>> your anguish.
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Popular school security strategies have not stopped mass
>>>>>> shootings."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Armed school police officers. Lockdown drills. High-tech apps
>>>>>> for monitoring bullying and students’ social
>>>>>> media posts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Like many school systems across the country, the school district
>>>>>> in Uvalde, Texas, put in place a plethora of recommended safety
>>>>>> practices meant, in part, to deter school shootings. But they
>>>>>> were of little use on Tuesday, when a gunman killed 19 children
>>>>>> and two teachers at Robb Elementary School.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The district’s detailed safety plan illustrates
>>>>>> that despite the widespread
>>>>>> “hardening” of schools over the
>>>>>> past two decades, mass shootings continue on with sickening
>>>>>> frequency.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> “These security measures are not
>>>>>> effective,” said Jagdish Khubchandani, a professor
>>>>>> of public health at New Mexico State University who has studied
>>>>>> school violence. “And they are not catching up to
>>>>>> the ease of access with which people are acquiring guns in the
>>>>>> pandemic. All records are being broken in gun sales.”
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In Uvalde, a district of 4,000 students, the school district
>>>>>> police department included six officers, one of whom was
>>>>>> involved in the police response. But there are questions about
>>>>>> how the city and school police officers had handled the gunman.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Texas districts like Uvalde have invested heavily in school
>>>>>> policing and other security measures in recent years. Texas
>>>>>> responded to the 2018 mass shooting at Santa Fe High School with
>>>>>> $100 million in school safety funding. In Uvalde, before the
>>>>>> shooting, the city’s S.W.A.T. team visited all
>>>>>> district schools in “full tactical
>>>>>> uniforms,” according to the police
>>>>>> department’s Facebook page.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But there is little evidence nationally that the dollars poured
>>>>>> into these kinds of prevention measures have decreased gun
>>>>>> violence in schools, according to a 2019 study by Professor
>>>>>> Khubchandani.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Instead, he wrote, they may be proffering “a
>>>>>> false sense of security.”
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Social-emotional strategies, including anti-bullying
>>>>>> initiatives, also do not appear to forestall senseless tragedy.
>>>>>> Uvalde had counselors and social workers available.
>>>>>> Threat-assessment teams at each of the
>>>>>> district’s schools were on the lookout for
>>>>>> warning signs of suicide, according to the
>>>>>> district’s safety plan.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Combating bullying was a special focus. The district website
>>>>>> displayed the winners of a recent bilingual bullying-prevention
>>>>>> poster contest. “Kindness takes
>>>>>> courage!” one child wrote.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The district used software called Social Sentinel, which
>>>>>> monitors students’ social media posts for
>>>>>> threats, and an app called STOPit, which allows anonymous
>>>>>> reports of bullying.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> These, too, are common practices.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ron Avi Astor, an expert on school violence at the University of
>>>>>> California, Los Angeles, argued that while social-emotional
>>>>>> supports have improved school climate broadly, those
>>>>>> strategies — as well as the presence of campus
>>>>>> police — have been insufficient in preventing
>>>>>> suicidal, often ideological young men from accessing guns and
>>>>>> carrying out attacks intended to draw fame."
>>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Armed school officers have been present at some of the most
>>>>>> infamous school massacres and were not able to stop those
>>>>>> events. The officer on duty at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High
>>>>>> School in Parkland, Fla., in 2018 has been accused of hiding
>>>>>> during the shooting that killed 17 people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> During the Columbine shooting, a school resource officer shot at
>>>>>> the gunman but missed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> School policing is also divisive, in part because students of
>>>>>> color are disproportionately referred to law enforcement, even
>>>>>> for routine misbehavior."
>>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TB
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Even if they could lock down the schools, and it's obvious that
>>>>> they can't, what's to stop them fathead screwballs from spraying
>>>>> the buses or the playgrounds or any of hundreds of other
>>>>> gathering spots?
>>>>
>>>> I dunno - what will?
>>>
>>> Monkeypox
>>
>> Will that need a law to work?
>>
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>
> Everything needs a law to work. Even the laws need laws. But, if
> you're not doing anything wrong, why do you care?

On 5/27/2022 8:27 AM, bfh wrote:
> kmiller wrote:
>> On 5/26/2022 8:14 PM, bfh wrote:
>>> kmiller wrote:
>>>> On 5/26/2022 6:57 PM, bfh wrote:
>>>>> kmiller wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/26/2022 3:45 PM, Technobarbarian wrote:
>>>>>>> On 5/26/2022 10:26 AM, George Anthony wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thursday, May 26, 2022 at 10:13:23 AM UTC-7, George.Anthony
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Technobarbarian <technobarbar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/25/2022 7:10 PM, kmiller wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/25/2022 1:14 PM, dm_callier wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 12:18:55 PM UTC-7,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Technobarbarian wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Naturally, so called, not really "conservatives" are just as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> predictable. They're calling for more guns. And thoughts
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and prayers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mustn't forget thoughts and prayers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Texas GOP officials respond to elementary school shooting
>>>>>>>>>>>>> by calling
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for more guns and security in schools"
>>>>>>>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security
>>>>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall
>>>>>>>>>>>> not be
>>>>>>>>>>>> infringed." The Death-Eaters cling to the illusion of
>>>>>>>>>>>> securing the
>>>>>>>>>>>> state while ignoring the threat to the safety of the people
>>>>>>>>>>>> that easy
>>>>>>>>>>>> access to firearms poses. The curiously worded and
>>>>>>>>>>>> punctuated 2nd
>>>>>>>>>>>> Amendment has been twisted out of shape by those that profit
>>>>>>>>>>>> from the
>>>>>>>>>>>> sale of fire arms and the mind boggling pro-life doctrines
>>>>>>>>>>>> professed
>>>>>>>>>>>> by people who don't give a shit about the lives of children
>>>>>>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>>>>>> they've left the womb. I doubt anything is going to change
>>>>>>>>>>>> markedly
>>>>>>>>>>>> during my lifetime.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Enjoy the day,
>>>>>>>>>>>> dmc
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You just want to take a great source of income away from
>>>>>>>>>>> Cancun Cruz,
>>>>>>>>>>> dontcha! Poor guy. How the hell is he going to fly his family
>>>>>>>>>>> to Mexico
>>>>>>>>>>> when it gets cold again? Huh?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Congress members with the most contributions from gun rights
>>>>>>>>>>> groups
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In the wake of the Texas elementary school shooting, where 19
>>>>>>>>>>> kids and 2
>>>>>>>>>>> adults were killed, there is renewed scrutiny on the hundreds of
>>>>>>>>>>> thousands of dollars Republican lawmakers have received in
>>>>>>>>>>> campaign
>>>>>>>>>>> contributions from groups supporting gun rights.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Driving the news: Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) received the most
>>>>>>>>>>> money from
>>>>>>>>>>> gun rights supporters. On Tuesday, he received major backlash
>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>> responding to the shooting by saying that gun control will
>>>>>>>>>>> not help and
>>>>>>>>>>> that "we need to devote far more law enforcement resources to
>>>>>>>>>>> stopping
>>>>>>>>>>> violent criminals."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Reality check: Experts say that there is a lack of evidence that
>>>>>>>>>>> suggests that increased police presence in schools actually
>>>>>>>>>>> improves
>>>>>>>>>>> safety and instead could "significantly disrupt learning
>>>>>>>>>>> environments."
>>>>>>>>>>> The shooter was even engaged with law enforcement prior to
>>>>>>>>>>> entering the
>>>>>>>>>>> building, but he still managed to get inside and gun down
>>>>>>>>>>> people in the
>>>>>>>>>>> school.
>>>>>>>>>>> The big picture: There's a pattern that follows congressional
>>>>>>>>>>> action in
>>>>>>>>>>> the wake of a mass shooting: Lawmakers will zero in on
>>>>>>>>>>> legislation
>>>>>>>>>>> focused on gun control that requires bipartisan support to
>>>>>>>>>>> pass, but
>>>>>>>>>>> that Republicans will not stand behind, Axios' Erin Doherty
>>>>>>>>>>> reports.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> By the numbers: Cruz has received over $442,000 from gun
>>>>>>>>>>> rights groups,
>>>>>>>>>>> according to Open Secrets, an organization that tracks money
>>>>>>>>>>> in U.S.
>>>>>>>>>>> politics.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Texas' other senator, John Cornyn (R), is another one of the top
>>>>>>>>>>> lawmakers to receive financial contributions from gun rights
>>>>>>>>>>> supporters
>>>>>>>>>>> amounting to around $340,000.
>>>>>>>>>>> Other Texas lawmakers supported by gun rights groups include
>>>>>>>>>>> Reps. Pete
>>>>>>>>>>> Sessions (R) and Dan Crenshaw (R), each of which have
>>>>>>>>>>> received over
>>>>>>>>>>> $208,000 and $126,000, respectively.
>>>>>>>>>>> Between the lines: The money reflected in this chart comes
>>>>>>>>>>> from direct
>>>>>>>>>>> contributions to lawmakers.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It does not include the millions of dollars that the National
>>>>>>>>>>> Rifle
>>>>>>>>>>> Association has spent in indirect spending in support and in
>>>>>>>>>>> opposition
>>>>>>>>>>> of specific politicians.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.axios.com/2022/05/25/ted-cruz-lawmakers-money-gun-rights-groups
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The data suggests that there are other things we need to do,
>>>>>>>>>> besides gun control, to reduce the violence.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Guns have become the leading cause of death for American kids"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "There were also stark racial disparities. The firearm death
>>>>>>>>>> rate for
>>>>>>>>>> Black children was more than four times that of white
>>>>>>>>>> children, and
>>>>>>>>>> white children were still more likely to be killed by motor
>>>>>>>>>> vehicles
>>>>>>>>>> than guns."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.axios.com/2022/05/26/gun-deaths-children-america
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't think any amount of gun control will reduce this
>>>>>>>>>> disparity. Maybe we need to look at the causes of this
>>>>>>>>>> disparity and
>>>>>>>>>> address them directly. Even if we could make those kids white
>>>>>>>>>> I don't
>>>>>>>>>> think it would solve the underlying problems.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> TB
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You finally said something that makes sense but…
>>>>>>>>> the policies and
>>>>>>>>> politicians you support are the underlying problem. Not cases
>>>>>>>>> like in
>>>>>>>>> Uvalde but for the high rate of children’s
>>>>>>>>> deaths in general. And just
>>>>>>>>> think how high it would be if the statistics included abortion
>>>>>>>>> deaths.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> After 14 months, Fido is still a moron, and the orange goon is
>>>>>>>>> still waiting for his handcuffs.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://ca.news.yahoo.com/as-nation-reels-from-uvalde-massacre-supreme-court-is-expected-to-expand-gun-rights-194609414.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Fido’s solution is obvious more guns to keep
>>>>>>>> down abortions and just in time the Supreme Court to the aid of
>>>>>>>> your anguish.
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Popular school security strategies have not stopped mass
>>>>>>> shootings."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Armed school police officers. Lockdown drills. High-tech apps
>>>>>>> for monitoring bullying and students’ social
>>>>>>> media posts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Like many school systems across the country, the school district
>>>>>>> in Uvalde, Texas, put in place a plethora of recommended safety
>>>>>>> practices meant, in part, to deter school shootings. But they
>>>>>>> were of little use on Tuesday, when a gunman killed 19 children
>>>>>>> and two teachers at Robb Elementary School.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The district’s detailed safety plan illustrates
>>>>>>> that despite the widespread
>>>>>>> “hardening” of schools over the past
>>>>>>> two decades, mass shootings continue on with sickening frequency.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> “These security measures are not
>>>>>>> effective,” said Jagdish Khubchandani, a professor
>>>>>>> of public health at New Mexico State University who has studied
>>>>>>> school violence. “And they are not catching up to
>>>>>>> the ease of access with which people are acquiring guns in the
>>>>>>> pandemic. All records are being broken in gun sales.”
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In Uvalde, a district of 4,000 students, the school district
>>>>>>> police department included six officers, one of whom was involved
>>>>>>> in the police response. But there are questions about how the
>>>>>>> city and school police officers had handled the gunman.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Texas districts like Uvalde have invested heavily in school
>>>>>>> policing and other security measures in recent years. Texas
>>>>>>> responded to the 2018 mass shooting at Santa Fe High School with
>>>>>>> $100 million in school safety funding. In Uvalde, before the
>>>>>>> shooting, the city’s S.W.A.T. team visited all
>>>>>>> district schools in “full tactical
>>>>>>> uniforms,” according to the police
>>>>>>> department’s Facebook page.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But there is little evidence nationally that the dollars poured
>>>>>>> into these kinds of prevention measures have decreased gun
>>>>>>> violence in schools, according to a 2019 study by Professor
>>>>>>> Khubchandani.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Instead, he wrote, they may be proffering “a false
>>>>>>> sense of security.”
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Social-emotional strategies, including anti-bullying initiatives,
>>>>>>> also do not appear to forestall senseless tragedy. Uvalde had
>>>>>>> counselors and social workers available. Threat-assessment teams
>>>>>>> at each of the district’s schools were on the
>>>>>>> lookout for warning signs of suicide, according to the
>>>>>>> district’s safety plan.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Combating bullying was a special focus. The district website
>>>>>>> displayed the winners of a recent bilingual bullying-prevention
>>>>>>> poster contest. “Kindness takes
>>>>>>> courage!” one child wrote.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The district used software called Social Sentinel, which monitors
>>>>>>> students’ social media posts for threats, and an
>>>>>>> app called STOPit, which allows anonymous reports of bullying.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> These, too, are common practices.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ron Avi Astor, an expert on school violence at the University of
>>>>>>> California, Los Angeles, argued that while social-emotional
>>>>>>> supports have improved school climate broadly, those strategies
>>>>>>> — as well as the presence of campus police
>>>>>>> — have been insufficient in preventing suicidal,
>>>>>>> often ideological young men from accessing guns and carrying out
>>>>>>> attacks intended to draw fame."
>>>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Armed school officers have been present at some of the most
>>>>>>> infamous school massacres and were not able to stop those events.
>>>>>>> The officer on duty at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in
>>>>>>> Parkland, Fla., in 2018 has been accused of hiding during the
>>>>>>> shooting that killed 17 people.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> During the Columbine shooting, a school resource officer shot at
>>>>>>> the gunman but missed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> School policing is also divisive, in part because students of
>>>>>>> color are disproportionately referred to law enforcement, even
>>>>>>> for routine misbehavior."
>>>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TB
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Even if they could lock down the schools, and it's obvious that
>>>>>> they can't, what's to stop them fathead screwballs from spraying
>>>>>> the buses or the playgrounds or any of hundreds of other gathering
>>>>>> spots?
>>>>>
>>>>> I dunno - what will?
>>>>
>>>> Monkeypox
>>>
>>> Will that need a law to work?
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>> Everything needs a law to work. Even the laws need laws. But, if
>> you're not doing anything wrong, why do you care?
>
> Because at the end of the day going forward I might want to buy a can of
> spray paint at a yard sale for my wife to paint a flower pot and I don't
> know how to prove I won't use it to spray a school bus.
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kmiller wrote:
> On 5/27/2022 8:27 AM, bfh wrote:
>> kmiller wrote:
>>> On 5/26/2022 8:14 PM, bfh wrote:
>>>> kmiller wrote:
>>>>> On 5/26/2022 6:57 PM, bfh wrote:
>>>>>> kmiller wrote:
>>>>>>> On 5/26/2022 3:45 PM, Technobarbarian wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 5/26/2022 10:26 AM, George Anthony wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, May 26, 2022 at 10:13:23 AM UTC-7,
>>>>>>>>> George.Anthony wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Technobarbarian <technobarbar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/25/2022 7:10 PM, kmiller wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/25/2022 1:14 PM, dm_callier wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 12:18:55 PM UTC-7,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Technobarbarian wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Naturally, so called, not really "conservatives" are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> predictable. They're calling for more guns. And thoughts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and prayers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mustn't forget thoughts and prayers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Texas GOP officials respond to elementary school
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shooting by calling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for more guns and security in schools"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> security of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> shall not be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> infringed." The Death-Eaters cling to the illusion of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> securing the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> state while ignoring the threat to the safety of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> people that easy
>>>>>>>>>>>>> access to firearms poses. The curiously worded and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> punctuated 2nd
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Amendment has been twisted out of shape by those that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> profit from the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sale of fire arms and the mind boggling pro-life
>>>>>>>>>>>>> doctrines professed
>>>>>>>>>>>>> by people who don't give a shit about the lives of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> children after
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they've left the womb. I doubt anything is going to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> change markedly
>>>>>>>>>>>>> during my lifetime.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Enjoy the day,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dmc
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You just want to take a great source of income away from
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cancun Cruz,
>>>>>>>>>>>> dontcha! Poor guy. How the hell is he going to fly his
>>>>>>>>>>>> family to Mexico
>>>>>>>>>>>> when it gets cold again? Huh?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Congress members with the most contributions from gun
>>>>>>>>>>>> rights groups
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In the wake of the Texas elementary school shooting, where
>>>>>>>>>>>> 19 kids and 2
>>>>>>>>>>>> adults were killed, there is renewed scrutiny on the
>>>>>>>>>>>> hundreds of
>>>>>>>>>>>> thousands of dollars Republican lawmakers have received in
>>>>>>>>>>>> campaign
>>>>>>>>>>>> contributions from groups supporting gun rights.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Driving the news: Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) received the
>>>>>>>>>>>> most money from
>>>>>>>>>>>> gun rights supporters. On Tuesday, he received major
>>>>>>>>>>>> backlash for
>>>>>>>>>>>> responding to the shooting by saying that gun control will
>>>>>>>>>>>> not help and
>>>>>>>>>>>> that "we need to devote far more law enforcement resources
>>>>>>>>>>>> to stopping
>>>>>>>>>>>> violent criminals."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Reality check: Experts say that there is a lack of
>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence that
>>>>>>>>>>>> suggests that increased police presence in schools
>>>>>>>>>>>> actually improves
>>>>>>>>>>>> safety and instead could "significantly disrupt learning
>>>>>>>>>>>> environments."
>>>>>>>>>>>> The shooter was even engaged with law enforcement prior to
>>>>>>>>>>>> entering the
>>>>>>>>>>>> building, but he still managed to get inside and gun down
>>>>>>>>>>>> people in the
>>>>>>>>>>>> school.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The big picture: There's a pattern that follows
>>>>>>>>>>>> congressional action in
>>>>>>>>>>>> the wake of a mass shooting: Lawmakers will zero in on
>>>>>>>>>>>> legislation
>>>>>>>>>>>> focused on gun control that requires bipartisan support to
>>>>>>>>>>>> pass, but
>>>>>>>>>>>> that Republicans will not stand behind, Axios' Erin
>>>>>>>>>>>> Doherty reports.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> By the numbers: Cruz has received over $442,000 from gun
>>>>>>>>>>>> rights groups,
>>>>>>>>>>>> according to Open Secrets, an organization that tracks
>>>>>>>>>>>> money in U.S.
>>>>>>>>>>>> politics.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Texas' other senator, John Cornyn (R), is another one of
>>>>>>>>>>>> the top
>>>>>>>>>>>> lawmakers to receive financial contributions from gun
>>>>>>>>>>>> rights supporters
>>>>>>>>>>>> amounting to around $340,000.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Other Texas lawmakers supported by gun rights groups
>>>>>>>>>>>> include Reps. Pete
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sessions (R) and Dan Crenshaw (R), each of which have
>>>>>>>>>>>> received over
>>>>>>>>>>>> $208,000 and $126,000, respectively.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Between the lines: The money reflected in this chart comes
>>>>>>>>>>>> from direct
>>>>>>>>>>>> contributions to lawmakers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It does not include the millions of dollars that the
>>>>>>>>>>>> National Rifle
>>>>>>>>>>>> Association has spent in indirect spending in support and
>>>>>>>>>>>> in opposition
>>>>>>>>>>>> of specific politicians.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.axios.com/2022/05/25/ted-cruz-lawmakers-money-gun-rights-groups
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The data suggests that there are other things we need to do,
>>>>>>>>>>> besides gun control, to reduce the violence.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Guns have become the leading cause of death for American
>>>>>>>>>>> kids"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "There were also stark racial disparities. The firearm
>>>>>>>>>>> death rate for
>>>>>>>>>>> Black children was more than four times that of white
>>>>>>>>>>> children, and
>>>>>>>>>>> white children were still more likely to be killed by motor
>>>>>>>>>>> vehicles
>>>>>>>>>>> than guns."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.axios.com/2022/05/26/gun-deaths-children-america
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think any amount of gun control will reduce this
>>>>>>>>>>> disparity. Maybe we need to look at the causes of this
>>>>>>>>>>> disparity and
>>>>>>>>>>> address them directly. Even if we could make those kids
>>>>>>>>>>> white I don't
>>>>>>>>>>> think it would solve the underlying problems.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> TB
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You finally said something that makes sense
>>>>>>>>>> but… the policies and
>>>>>>>>>> politicians you support are the underlying problem. Not
>>>>>>>>>> cases like in
>>>>>>>>>> Uvalde but for the high rate of
>>>>>>>>>> children’s deaths in
>>>>>>>>>> general. And just
>>>>>>>>>> think how high it would be if the statistics included
>>>>>>>>>> abortion deaths.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> After 14 months, Fido is still a moron, and the orange goon
>>>>>>>>>> is still waiting for his handcuffs.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://ca.news.yahoo.com/as-nation-reels-from-uvalde-massacre-supreme-court-is-expected-to-expand-gun-rights-194609414.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Fido’s solution is
>>>>>>>>> obvious more guns to keep down abortions and just in time the
>>>>>>>>> Supreme Court to the aid of your anguish.
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Popular school security strategies have not stopped mass
>>>>>>>> shootings."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Armed school police officers. Lockdown drills. High-tech apps
>>>>>>>> for monitoring bullying and
>>>>>>>> students’ social media
>>>>>>>> posts.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Like many school systems across the country, the school
>>>>>>>> district in Uvalde, Texas, put in place a plethora of
>>>>>>>> recommended safety practices meant, in part, to deter school
>>>>>>>> shootings. But they were of little use on Tuesday, when a
>>>>>>>> gunman killed 19 children and two teachers at Robb Elementary
>>>>>>>> School.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The district’s detailed
>>>>>>>> safety plan illustrates that despite the widespread
>>>>>>>> “hardening”
>>>>>>>> of schools over the past two decades, mass shootings continue
>>>>>>>> on with sickening frequency.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> “These security measures are
>>>>>>>> not effective,” said Jagdish
>>>>>>>> Khubchandani, a professor of public health at New Mexico State
>>>>>>>> University who has studied school violence.
>>>>>>>> “And they are not catching
>>>>>>>> up to the ease of access with which people are acquiring guns
>>>>>>>> in the pandemic. All records are being broken in gun
>>>>>>>> sales.”
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In Uvalde, a district of 4,000 students, the school district
>>>>>>>> police department included six officers, one of whom was
>>>>>>>> involved in the police response. But there are questions about
>>>>>>>> how the city and school police officers had handled the gunman.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Texas districts like Uvalde have invested heavily in school
>>>>>>>> policing and other security measures in recent years. Texas
>>>>>>>> responded to the 2018 mass shooting at Santa Fe High School
>>>>>>>> with $100 million in school safety funding. In Uvalde, before
>>>>>>>> the shooting, the city’s
>>>>>>>> S.W.A.T. team visited all district schools in
>>>>>>>> “full tactical
>>>>>>>> uniforms,” according to the
>>>>>>>> police department’s
>>>>>>>> Facebook page.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But there is little evidence nationally that the dollars
>>>>>>>> poured into these kinds of prevention measures have decreased
>>>>>>>> gun violence in schools, according to a 2019 study by
>>>>>>>> Professor Khubchandani.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Instead, he wrote, they may be proffering
>>>>>>>> “a false sense of
>>>>>>>> security.”
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Social-emotional strategies, including anti-bullying
>>>>>>>> initiatives, also do not appear to forestall senseless
>>>>>>>> tragedy. Uvalde had counselors and social workers available.
>>>>>>>> Threat-assessment teams at each of the
>>>>>>>> district’s schools were
>>>>>>>> on the lookout for warning signs of suicide, according to the
>>>>>>>> district’s safety plan.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Combating bullying was a special focus. The district website
>>>>>>>> displayed the winners of a recent bilingual
>>>>>>>> bullying-prevention poster contest.
>>>>>>>> “Kindness takes
>>>>>>>> courage!” one child wrote.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The district used software called Social Sentinel, which
>>>>>>>> monitors students’ social
>>>>>>>> media posts for threats, and an app called STOPit, which
>>>>>>>> allows anonymous reports of bullying.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> These, too, are common practices.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ron Avi Astor, an expert on school violence at the University
>>>>>>>> of California, Los Angeles, argued that while social-emotional
>>>>>>>> supports have improved school climate broadly, those
>>>>>>>> strategies — as well as
>>>>>>>> the presence of campus police
>>>>>>>> — have been insufficient
>>>>>>>> in preventing suicidal, often ideological young men from
>>>>>>>> accessing guns and carrying out attacks intended to draw fame."
>>>>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Armed school officers have been present at some of the most
>>>>>>>> infamous school massacres and were not able to stop those
>>>>>>>> events. The officer on duty at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High
>>>>>>>> School in Parkland, Fla., in 2018 has been accused of hiding
>>>>>>>> during the shooting that killed 17 people.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> During the Columbine shooting, a school resource officer shot
>>>>>>>> at the gunman but missed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> School policing is also divisive, in part because students of
>>>>>>>> color are disproportionately referred to law enforcement, even
>>>>>>>> for routine misbehavior."
>>>>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> TB
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Even if they could lock down the schools, and it's obvious that
>>>>>>> they can't, what's to stop them fathead screwballs from
>>>>>>> spraying the buses or the playgrounds or any of hundreds of
>>>>>>> other gathering spots?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I dunno - what will?
>>>>>
>>>>> Monkeypox
>>>>
>>>> Will that need a law to work?
>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Everything needs a law to work. Even the laws need laws. But, if
>>> you're not doing anything wrong, why do you care?
>>
>> Because at the end of the day going forward I might want to buy a
>> can of spray paint at a yard sale for my wife to paint a flower pot
>> and I don't know how to prove I won't use it to spray a school bus.
>>
>> Ping ms
>> 46
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>> Upload Mbps
>> 5.44
>>
>
> Submit to a dna test, background check, parental background check,
> fingerprint check, mental health check, 20 year waiting period and
> donate $1 million to the charity of my choice.
>
> A journey of a thousand miles begins with one step.

Technobarbarian wrote:
> On 5/25/2022 7:13 AM, George.Anthony wrote:
>> If there's one thing you can count on from liberals it's
>> predictability. Gun control, more gun control, common sense gun
>> laws. These assholes wouldn't know common sense if it slapped them
>> in the face.
>>
>> https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-responds-uvalde-texas-elementary-school-shooting
>>
>>
>> https://www.foxnews.com/politics/kamala-harris-action-uvalde-texas-elementary-school-shooting
>>
>>
>> https://www.foxnews.com/politics/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-democrats-gun-control-prayers
>>
>
>       Another predictable response:
>
> "Former President Trump called for heightened school security
> mechanisms at the National Rifle Association's annual meeting in
> Houston, Texas on Friday — mechanisms that Robb Elementary School in
> Uvalde, the site of a mass shooting that left 19 kids and two teachers
> dead earlier this week, had.
>
> Why it matters: The Uvalde tragedy and the mass shooting in Buffalo,
> New York, that left 10 dead on May 14 have intensified the debate on
> gun control legislation and renewed scrutiny of gun rights
> organizations like the NRA, gun manufacturers and lawmakers who
> maintain close ties with the gun lobby.
>
> Trump decided on Wednesday to keep his "longtime commitment" at the
> convention despite the shooting.
>
> Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) canceled his in-person appearance at the
> event but still deliver "pre-recorded video remarks," while Lt. Gov.
> Dan Patrick (R) called off his speech at a breakfast held by the NRA
> on Friday.
>
> What they're saying: Trump said it was time to "harden" schools around
> the nation, calling specifically for doors that lock from the inside
> and hired security guards.
>
> "What we need now is a top-to-bottom security overhaul at schools all
> across our country," Trump said.
>
> "Every building should have a single point of entry. There should be
> strong exterior fencing, metal detectors and the use of new technology
> to make sure that no unauthorized individuals can ever enter the
> school with a weapon."
>
> "In addition, classroom doors should be hardened to make them lockable
> from the inside and closed to intruders from the outside. And above
> all, from this day forward, every school in America should have a
> police officer or an armed resource officer on duty at all times."
> The former president also called for arming teachers and the end of
> gun-free school zones.
>
> "Surely, we can all agree our school should not be the softest target.
> Our schools should be the single hardest target in our country," Trump
> said.
>
> Robb Elementary School had both doors that lock from the inside and a
> hired security officer at the time of the shooting."
> [snip]
>
> https://www.axios.com/2022/05/27/trump-nra-meeting-houston-uvalde-elementary
>
>
> TB

For that to work, the doors have to be locked, and the security
officer has to be competent.
------------------------------------------------------------------
After arriving at the scene, the security officer drove past the
shooter and instead confronted a teacher, McCraw said.
McCraw said the shooter gained access to the school through a
door that had been previously propped open by a teacher.
The classrooms in which the shooter entered and shot the students
and teachers also had doors that locked from the inside.
The Border Patrol tactical agents that breached the door to kill
the suspect after he was in the school for around 80 minutes did so
after receiving keys from a janitor to unlock one of the doors, McCraw
said.

The big picture: The convention, which started Friday and goes through
Sunday, is the NRA's first since 2019 because of the coronavirus pandemic.

Leaders and members of the nation’s two largest teachers unions
traveled to Houston Friday to protest the NRA's convention and
advocate for new gun safety legislation.
------------------------------------------------
The leaders and members would do better by traveling to Uvalde and
advocate for teacher door training and better security officer
vetting. At the end of the day going forward, what specific new gun
"safety" legislation would be more efficacious than that?

--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

On Fri, 27 May 2022 22:34:31 -0400, bfh <redydog@rye.net> wrote:

> Leaders and members of the nation’s two largest teachers unions
>traveled to Houston Friday to protest the NRA's convention and
>advocate for new gun safety legislation.
>------------------------------------------------
>The leaders and members would do better by traveling to Uvalde and
>advocate for teacher door training and better security officer
>vetting.
>
Yes, and spend some time shaming the police. 19 police outside the door
waiting for over an hour for reinforcements to show up (in the name of
'officer safety') while parents were restrained from going in and
handling the situation. "Mistakes were Made." No Shit!

>At the end of the day going forward, what specific new gun
>"safety" legislation would be more efficacious than that?
>
If gun laws worked shouldn't Chicago be one of the safest cities in the
country?

On Friday, May 27, 2022 at 6:33:37 PM UTC-7, Technobarbarian wrote:
> On 5/25/2022 7:13 AM, George.Anthony wrote:
> > If there's one thing you can count on from liberals it's predictability..
> > Gun control, more gun control, common sense gun laws. These assholes
> > wouldn't know common sense if it slapped them in the face.
> >
> > https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-responds-uvalde-texas-elementary-school-shooting
> >
> >
> > https://www.foxnews.com/politics/kamala-harris-action-uvalde-texas-elementary-school-shooting
> >
> >
> > https://www.foxnews.com/politics/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-democrats-gun-control-prayers
> >
> Another predictable response:
>
> "Former President Trump called for heightened school security mechanisms
> at the National Rifle Association's annual meeting in Houston, Texas on
> Friday — mechanisms that Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, the site of a
> mass shooting that left 19 kids and two teachers dead earlier this week,
> had.
>
> Why it matters: The Uvalde tragedy and the mass shooting in Buffalo, New
> York, that left 10 dead on May 14 have intensified the debate on gun
> control legislation and renewed scrutiny of gun rights organizations
> like the NRA, gun manufacturers and lawmakers who maintain close ties
> with the gun lobby.
>
> Trump decided on Wednesday to keep his "longtime commitment" at the
> convention despite the shooting.
>
> Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) canceled his in-person appearance at the
> event but still deliver "pre-recorded video remarks," while Lt. Gov. Dan
> Patrick (R) called off his speech at a breakfast held by the NRA on Friday.
>
> What they're saying: Trump said it was time to "harden" schools around
> the nation, calling specifically for doors that lock from the inside and
> hired security guards.
>
> "What we need now is a top-to-bottom security overhaul at schools all
> across our country," Trump said.
>
> "Every building should have a single point of entry. There should be
> strong exterior fencing, metal detectors and the use of new technology
> to make sure that no unauthorized individuals can ever enter the school
> with a weapon."
>
> "In addition, classroom doors should be hardened to make them lockable
> from the inside and closed to intruders from the outside. And above all,
> from this day forward, every school in America should have a police
> officer or an armed resource officer on duty at all times."
> The former president also called for arming teachers and the end of
> gun-free school zones.
>
> "Surely, we can all agree our school should not be the softest target.
> Our schools should be the single hardest target in our country," Trump said.
>
> Robb Elementary School had both doors that lock from the inside and a
> hired security officer at the time of the shooting."
> [snip]
>
> https://www.axios.com/2022/05/27/trump-nra-meeting-houston-uvalde-elementary
>
> TB

HawHawHaw! The jam up, of a one door, for hundreds of people, to enter a schoolhouse, from outside, is just setting up the most targets, for any gunslinger trying to make a name for himself! How can anyone believe turning schools into prisons is a solution? Jeeezuz!

If I were Emperor Donald the 1st, I'd stop all civilian gun production ASAP! Then at least, we will be dealing with old guns... I can't see how effective any kind of psych test might be? There's lots of Vets, getting crazy money from the VA, because they suffer service related PTSD, and they aren't the ones shooting down innocent bystanders, despite their certified mental disorder.... No doubt, Emperor Donald I, edicts might become ever more Draconian toward honest freedom loving gun nuts! That's just how he rolls.....

Donald the 1st, Boss of the Universe

On Friday, May 27, 2022 at 7:34:35 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:
<snip>
> The leaders and members would do better by traveling to Uvalde and
> advocate for teacher door training and better security officer
> vetting. At the end of the day going forward, what specific new gun
> "safety" legislation would be more efficacious than that?
> --
> bill
> Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.
So the answer to mass shootings is to turn our schools into impregnable fortresses and better hiring and training for law enforcement officers? Yeah, that's gonna work. Yale locks and Minimum Wage Officer Donuts armed with a handgun against some asshole with an AR-15...yeah, that's a win.

Enjoy the day,
dmc

dm_callier wrote:
> On Friday, May 27, 2022 at 7:34:35 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote: <snip>
>> The leaders and members would do better by traveling to Uvalde
>> and advocate for teacher door training and better security
>> officer vetting. At the end of the day going forward, what
>> specific new gun "safety" legislation would be more efficacious
>> than that? -- bill Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.
> So the answer to mass shootings is to turn our schools into
> impregnable fortresses and better hiring and training for law
> enforcement officers? Yeah, that's gonna work. Yale locks and
> Minimum Wage Officer Donuts armed with a handgun against some
> asshole with an AR-15...yeah, that's a win.

Do you have a specific new gun "safety" law that would would work? Or
not? Don't feel restricted by the dumbass laws the dumbasses want.
What's your idea for an efficacious gun "safety" law that would
prevent school shootings?

--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

film...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, May 27, 2022 at 6:33:37 PM UTC-7, Technobarbarian wrote:
>> On 5/25/2022 7:13 AM, George.Anthony wrote:
>>> If there's one thing you can count on from liberals it's predictability.
>>> Gun control, more gun control, common sense gun laws. These assholes
>>> wouldn't know common sense if it slapped them in the face.
>>>
>>> https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-responds-uvalde-texas-elementary-school-shooting
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.foxnews.com/politics/kamala-harris-action-uvalde-texas-elementary-school-shooting
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.foxnews.com/politics/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-democrats-gun-control-prayers
>>>
>> Another predictable response:
>>
>> "Former President Trump called for heightened school security mechanisms
>> at the National Rifle Association's annual meeting in Houston, Texas on
>> Friday — mechanisms that Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, the site of a
>> mass shooting that left 19 kids and two teachers dead earlier this week,
>> had.
>>
>> Why it matters: The Uvalde tragedy and the mass shooting in Buffalo, New
>> York, that left 10 dead on May 14 have intensified the debate on gun
>> control legislation and renewed scrutiny of gun rights organizations
>> like the NRA, gun manufacturers and lawmakers who maintain close ties
>> with the gun lobby.
>>
>> Trump decided on Wednesday to keep his "longtime commitment" at the
>> convention despite the shooting.
>>
>> Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) canceled his in-person appearance at the
>> event but still deliver "pre-recorded video remarks," while Lt. Gov. Dan
>> Patrick (R) called off his speech at a breakfast held by the NRA on Friday.
>>
>> What they're saying: Trump said it was time to "harden" schools around
>> the nation, calling specifically for doors that lock from the inside and
>> hired security guards.
>>
>> "What we need now is a top-to-bottom security overhaul at schools all
>> across our country," Trump said.
>>
>> "Every building should have a single point of entry. There should be
>> strong exterior fencing, metal detectors and the use of new technology
>> to make sure that no unauthorized individuals can ever enter the school
>> with a weapon."
>>
>> "In addition, classroom doors should be hardened to make them lockable
>> from the inside and closed to intruders from the outside. And above all,
>> from this day forward, every school in America should have a police
>> officer or an armed resource officer on duty at all times."
>> The former president also called for arming teachers and the end of
>> gun-free school zones.
>>
>> "Surely, we can all agree our school should not be the softest target.
>> Our schools should be the single hardest target in our country," Trump said.
>>
>> Robb Elementary School had both doors that lock from the inside and a
>> hired security officer at the time of the shooting."
>> [snip]
>>
>> https://www.axios.com/2022/05/27/trump-nra-meeting-houston-uvalde-elementary
>>
>> TB
>
> HawHawHaw! The jam up, of a one door, for hundreds of people, to enter a schoolhouse, from outside, is just setting up the most targets, for any gunslinger trying to make a name for himself! How can anyone believe turning schools into prisons is a solution? Jeeezuz!
>
> If I were Emperor Donald the 1st, I'd stop all civilian gun production ASAP! Then at least, we will be dealing with old guns... I can't see how effective any kind of psych test might be? There's lots of Vets, getting crazy money from the VA, because they suffer service related PTSD, and they aren't the ones shooting down innocent bystanders, despite their certified mental disorder.... No doubt, Emperor Donald I, edicts might become ever more Draconian toward honest freedom loving gun nuts! That's just how he rolls.....
>
> Donald the 1st, Boss of the Universe
>

trumptrumptrump. Tiresome. Literally.
How would you prevent school shootings if you were Boss of the Universe?

--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

On 5/27/2022 7:34 PM, bfh wrote:
> Technobarbarian wrote:
>> On 5/25/2022 7:13 AM, George.Anthony wrote:
>>> If there's one thing you can count on from liberals it's
>>> predictability. Gun control, more gun control, common sense gun laws.
>>> These assholes wouldn't know common sense if it slapped them in the
>>> face.
>>>
>>> https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-responds-uvalde-texas-elementary-school-shooting
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.foxnews.com/politics/kamala-harris-action-uvalde-texas-elementary-school-shooting
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.foxnews.com/politics/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-democrats-gun-control-prayers
>>>
>>
>>        Another predictable response:
>>
>> "Former President Trump called for heightened school security
>> mechanisms at the National Rifle Association's annual meeting in
>> Houston, Texas on Friday — mechanisms that Robb Elementary School in
>> Uvalde, the site of a mass shooting that left 19 kids and two teachers
>> dead earlier this week, had.
>>
>> Why it matters: The Uvalde tragedy and the mass shooting in Buffalo,
>> New York, that left 10 dead on May 14 have intensified the debate on
>> gun control legislation and renewed scrutiny of gun rights
>> organizations like the NRA, gun manufacturers and lawmakers who
>> maintain close ties with the gun lobby.
>>
>> Trump decided on Wednesday to keep his "longtime commitment" at the
>> convention despite the shooting.
>>
>> Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) canceled his in-person appearance at the
>> event but still deliver "pre-recorded video remarks," while Lt. Gov.
>> Dan Patrick (R) called off his speech at a breakfast held by the NRA
>> on Friday.
>>
>> What they're saying: Trump said it was time to "harden" schools around
>> the nation, calling specifically for doors that lock from the inside
>> and hired security guards.
>>
>> "What we need now is a top-to-bottom security overhaul at schools all
>> across our country," Trump said.
>>
>> "Every building should have a single point of entry. There should be
>> strong exterior fencing, metal detectors and the use of new technology
>> to make sure that no unauthorized individuals can ever enter the
>> school with a weapon."
>>
>> "In addition, classroom doors should be hardened to make them lockable
>> from the inside and closed to intruders from the outside. And above
>> all, from this day forward, every school in America should have a
>> police officer or an armed resource officer on duty at all times."
>> The former president also called for arming teachers and the end of
>> gun-free school zones.
>>
>> "Surely, we can all agree our school should not be the softest target.
>> Our schools should be the single hardest target in our country," Trump
>> said.
>>
>> Robb Elementary School had both doors that lock from the inside and a
>> hired security officer at the time of the shooting."
>> [snip]
>>
>> https://www.axios.com/2022/05/27/trump-nra-meeting-houston-uvalde-elementary
>>
>>
>> TB
>
> For that to work, the doors have to be locked, and the security officer
> has to be competent.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>     After arriving at the scene, the security officer drove past the
> shooter and instead confronted a teacher, McCraw said.
>     McCraw said the shooter gained access to the school through a door
> that had been previously propped open by a teacher.
>     The classrooms in which the shooter entered and shot the students
> and teachers also had doors that locked from the inside.
>     The Border Patrol tactical agents that breached the door to kill
> the suspect after he was in the school for around 80 minutes did so
> after receiving keys from a janitor to unlock one of the doors, McCraw
> said.

They "breached" by unlocking the door with keys

>
> The big picture: The convention, which started Friday and goes through
> Sunday, is the NRA's first since 2019 because of the coronavirus pandemic.

I thought them bastards went bankrupt.

>
>     Leaders and members of the nation’s two largest teachers unions
> traveled to Houston Friday to protest the NRA's convention and advocate
> for new gun safety legislation.
> ------------------------------------------------
> The leaders and members would do better by traveling to Uvalde and
> advocate for teacher door training and better security officer vetting.
> At the end of the day going forward, what specific new gun "safety"
> legislation would be more efficacious than that?
>

What do you think is the "answer"?

Personally, I'd start by requiring the cessation of all civilian gun
manufacturing and sales.