Thanks for all these references. I'll read them as soon as I can,
looking forward to adding to my knowledge on the subjects!

On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 19:56:03 -0700, a425couple
<a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On 8/12/2020 4:09 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
>> "a425couple"  wrote in message news:rh151e0146n@news1.newsguy.com...
>>
>> Has anyone here read the WEB Griffin books?
>>
>> WEB Griffin, aka Butterworth, has written a fair number
>> of series.  I've read his series on US Marines
>> (pre WWII through Vietnam), Army (1943 to Vietnam),
>> and occasionally about Philly Police Work.
>>
>> I like him because he has a pretty good and realistic
>> view of both military and police work.  He certainly
>> does a lot of serious research.
>>
>> =========================
>>
>> I switched from fiction to fact long ago, to avoid confusing them.
>
>For many years I also did not read fiction.
>Pretty much for the same reason.
>
>> Some
>> battles were too random and illogical to sell as fiction.
>
>That reminds me, in one of WEB Griffin's army books,
>he has a figure (clearly loosely based on General Patton)
>that sends a special task organized unit on a raid
>to rescue the General's son in law. I thought it
>was OK. But then later I read about the real raid,
>and Griffin's fiction made a lot more sense then the
>real deal.
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Task_Force_Baum#:~:text=Task%20Force%20Baum%20was%20a,XIII%2DB%2C%20near%20Hammelburg.
>"Task Force Baum was a secret and controversial World War II
>task force set up by U.S. Army general George S. Patton and
>commanded by Capt. Abraham Baum in late March 1945. Baum was
>given the task of penetrating 50 miles (80 km) behind German
>lines and liberating the POWs in camp OFLAG XIII-B, near
>Hammelburg. Controversy surrounds the true reasons behind
>the mission ----"
>
>http://taskforcebaum.de/main1.html
>Interesting pictures, opinions, and map.
>
>https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/2018/12/28/witnessing-pattons-failure-a-prisoners-view-of-the-task-force-baum-raid/
>"Witnessing Patton’s Failure: A Prisoner’s View of the Task Force
>Baum Raid
>As a POW in Oflag XIII-B, Lieutenant Herndon Inge, Jr., had a front-row
>seat to Operation Baum, the disastrous attempt to liberate the camp."
>'But, as Patton’s biographer Carlo D’Este noted, “Hammelburg was
>the least defensible decision [Patton] ever made, and nearly as
>self-destructive as the slappings [of American soldiers in Sicily]….
>Hammelburg has become an enduring stain on Patton’s reputation.” '
>
>Good book about it =
>Raid --- The Untold Story of Patton's Secret Mission By Richard Baron,
> Abe Baum and Richard Goldhurst; New York: G.P.Putnam's Sons, 1981
>https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0024CEYK4/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1
>
>and there is even a youtube
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPnpmmY1MJw
>Task Force Baum - Patton's Insane Rescue Mission 1945
>Mark Felton Productions
>842K subscribers
>In March 1945 General Patton ordered a lightning fast mission behind
>German lines by a small task force from the US 4th Armored Division -
>its objective - to liberate hundreds of American POWs in a camp 40 miles
>inside German territory. So began Task Force Baum, Patton's 'mission too
>far'.

--
//Steve//

On 3/29/23 16:28, Steve Silverwood [KB6OJS] wrote:
> Thanks for all these references. I'll read them as soon as I can,
> looking forward to adding to my knowledge on the subjects!
>
> On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 19:56:03 -0700, a425couple
> <a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 8/12/2020 4:09 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
>>> "a425couple"  wrote in message news:rh151e0146n@news1.newsguy.com...
>>>
>>> Has anyone here read the WEB Griffin books?
>>>
>>> WEB Griffin, aka Butterworth, has written a fair number
>>> of series.  I've read his series on US Marines
>>> (pre WWII through Vietnam), Army (1943 to Vietnam),
>>> and occasionally about Philly Police Work.
>>>
>>> I like him because he has a pretty good and realistic
>>> view of both military and police work.  He certainly
>>> does a lot of serious research.
>>>
>>> =========================
>>>
>>> I switched from fiction to fact long ago, to avoid confusing them.
>>
>> For many years I also did not read fiction.
>> Pretty much for the same reason.
>>
>>> Some
>>> battles were too random and illogical to sell as fiction.
>>
>> That reminds me, in one of WEB Griffin's army books,
>> he has a figure (clearly loosely based on General Patton)
>> that sends a special task organized unit on a raid
>> to rescue the General's son in law. I thought it
>> was OK. But then later I read about the real raid,
>> and Griffin's fiction made a lot more sense then the
>> real deal.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Task_Force_Baum#:~:text=Task%20Force%20Baum%20was%20a,XIII%2DB%2C%20near%20Hammelburg.
>> "Task Force Baum was a secret and controversial World War II
>> task force set up by U.S. Army general George S. Patton and
>> commanded by Capt. Abraham Baum in late March 1945. Baum was
>> given the task of penetrating 50 miles (80 km) behind German
>> lines and liberating the POWs in camp OFLAG XIII-B, near
>> Hammelburg. Controversy surrounds the true reasons behind
>> the mission ----"
>>
>> http://taskforcebaum.de/main1.html
>> Interesting pictures, opinions, and map.
>>
>> https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/2018/12/28/witnessing-pattons-failure-a-prisoners-view-of-the-task-force-baum-raid/
>> "Witnessing Patton’s Failure: A Prisoner’s View of the Task Force
>> Baum Raid
>> As a POW in Oflag XIII-B, Lieutenant Herndon Inge, Jr., had a front-row
>> seat to Operation Baum, the disastrous attempt to liberate the camp."
>> 'But, as Patton’s biographer Carlo D’Este noted, “Hammelburg was
>> the least defensible decision [Patton] ever made, and nearly as
>> self-destructive as the slappings [of American soldiers in Sicily]….
>> Hammelburg has become an enduring stain on Patton’s reputation.” '
>>
>> Good book about it =
>> Raid --- The Untold Story of Patton's Secret Mission By Richard Baron,
>> Abe Baum and Richard Goldhurst; New York: G.P.Putnam's Sons, 1981
>> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0024CEYK4/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1
>>
>> and there is even a youtube
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPnpmmY1MJw
>> Task Force Baum - Patton's Insane Rescue Mission 1945
>> Mark Felton Productions
>> 842K subscribers
>> In March 1945 General Patton ordered a lightning fast mission behind
>> German lines by a small task force from the US 4th Armored Division -
>> its objective - to liberate hundreds of American POWs in a camp 40 miles
>> inside German territory. So began Task Force Baum, Patton's 'mission too
>> far'.
>

It is good to hear from you Steve.

I wish you well.

Of all crazy things, today, a Quora appeared on my feed,
that was talking about this raid of Abe Baum ordered by Patton.
Small world. Or is it the artificial intelligence
Knowing everthing that we are doing, and all our sources
ahead of us.

Hmmm. Your post on this is dated at 3/29/2023 at 1628.
And I had seen the Quora this morning at 3/30/2023 at 0900.
Coincidence, or not?
I do not know.

By the way, I'm into Science Fiction and books dealing
with Islamic issues now.