On 2022-07-08 00:49:46 +0000, Technobarbarian said:

> I got an email from the electrical company. They made an offer I
> could refuse. I was paying a fixed rate, no matter what time I used the
> power, and I can go back to that anytime I want (for now). They said
> that if I didn't change my ways "time of use pricing" would save me
> about $45 a year, mostly during the Winter. This time of year I would
> go back and forth saving a little or losing a little--if I don't change
> my ways. Some of the "savings" will come from heating the house in the
> middle of the night during the Winter, when electricity will cost
> almost nothing. We cam easily shift some of our usage for more savings.
>
> "Time of Use Pricing
> For Residential
> Pricing periods
> Time of Use pricing is different for different times of the day. We
> call these periods:
>
> On-peak (times when demand is high)
>
> Mid-peak
>
> Off-peak (times when demand is low)
>
> Your bill includes these electricity charges plus other charges that
> apply to all PGE customers, such as a basic charge, distribution charge
> and supplemental adjustments. See the for more information on all the
> charges included on your bill.
>
> Time of Use rates also include a 0.36 cent per kWh credit for the first
> 1,000 kWh used. This credit is not applicable to separately metered
> Electric Vehicle Time of Use option.
>
> Time of Use period
> Time of Use price
> Basic Service price
> On-peak
>
> 22.22 ¢ per kWh
>
> Up to 1000 kWh: 12.65 ¢ per kWh ; > 1000 kWh: 13.01 ¢ per kWh
>
> Mid-peak
>
> 16.85 ¢ per kWh
>
> Up to 1000 kWh: 12.65 ¢ per kWh ; > 1000 kWh: 13.01 ¢ per kWh
>
> Off-peak
>
> 4.12 ¢ per kWh
>
> Up to 1000 kWh: 12.65 ¢ per kWh ; > 1000 kWh: 13.01 ¢ per kWh"
>
> Except for the 4 coldest months of the year we're always under
> 1,000 Kwh. I don't try to heat or cool the whole place any time of
> year. I just have comfort zones, depending on the time of day and the
> weather. The weather has been very comfortable lately, so we haven't
> been heating or cooling. I expect that to change soon.
>
> They offer a not really guarantee that during the first year this
> won't raise my bill by more than 10%. If I does they'll refund the
> difference--over that 10%. They're supposed to let me know how we're
> doin'.
>
> TB

PSE and Seattle City Light both tried this a couple years ago, I know
PSE stopped and I think Seattle did also.

On Monday, July 11, 2022 at 7:28:29 AM UTC-7, Ralph E Lindberg wrote:
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> PSE and Seattle City Light both tried this a couple years ago, I know
> PSE stopped and I think Seattle did also.

PGE started a similar program a few months ago here in NorCal. I doubt it's going to make much difference at our house. I did note that we're paying about 3X more per KWH than folks in Oregon. Our electrons must be a lot classier, or maybe they're just better negotiators...

Enjoy the day,
dmc

On 7/11/2022 7:28 AM, Ralph E Lindberg wrote:
> On 2022-07-08 00:49:46 +0000, Technobarbarian said:
>
>>      I got an email from the electrical company. They made an offer I
>> could refuse. I was paying a fixed rate, no matter what time I used
>> the power, and I can go back to that anytime I want (for now). They
>> said that if I didn't change my ways "time of use pricing" would save
>> me about $45 a year, mostly during the Winter. This time of year I
>> would go back and forth saving a little or losing a little--if I don't
>> change my ways. Some of the "savings" will come from heating the house
>> in the middle of the night during the Winter, when electricity will
>> cost almost nothing. We cam easily shift some of our usage for more
>> savings.
>>
>> "Time of Use Pricing
>> For Residential
>> Pricing periods
>> Time of Use pricing is different for different times of the day. We
>> call these periods:
>>
>> On-peak (times when demand is high)
>>
>> Mid-peak
>>
>> Off-peak (times when demand is low)
>>
>> Your bill includes these electricity charges plus other charges that
>> apply to all PGE customers, such as a basic charge, distribution
>> charge and supplemental adjustments. See the  for more information on
>> all the charges included on your bill.
>>
>> Time of Use rates also include a 0.36 cent per kWh credit for the
>> first 1,000 kWh used. This credit is not applicable to separately
>> metered Electric Vehicle Time of Use option.
>>
>> Time of Use period
>> Time of Use price
>> Basic Service price
>> On-peak
>>
>> 22.22 ¢ per kWh
>>
>> Up to 1000 kWh: 12.65 ¢ per kWh ; > 1000 kWh: 13.01 ¢ per kWh
>>
>> Mid-peak
>>
>> 16.85 ¢ per kWh
>>
>> Up to 1000 kWh: 12.65 ¢ per kWh ; > 1000 kWh: 13.01 ¢ per kWh
>>
>> Off-peak
>>
>> 4.12 ¢ per kWh
>>
>> Up to 1000 kWh: 12.65 ¢ per kWh ; > 1000 kWh: 13.01 ¢ per kWh"
>>
>>      Except for the 4 coldest months of the year we're always under
>> 1,000 Kwh. I don't try to heat or cool the whole place any time of
>> year. I just have comfort zones, depending on the time of day and the
>> weather. The weather has been very comfortable lately, so we haven't
>> been heating or cooling. I expect that to change soon.
>>
>>      They offer a not really guarantee that during the first year this
>> won't raise my bill by more than 10%. If I does they'll refund the
>> difference--over that 10%. They're supposed to let me know how we're
>> doin'.
>>
>> TB
>
> PSE and Seattle City Light both tried this a couple years ago,  I know
> PSE stopped and I think Seattle did also.
>

Since you can switch pricing at any time it's hard to figure out how
this will work out for PGE in the long run. They show you all the
numbers. I could easily game the system by choosing my pricing based on
the season. At this point I'm just experimenting to see if I can save a
significant amount of money this time of year by watching when I use
power. I already know I'll save money during the Winter.

I worked for a low margin business years ago that had no choice.
They were paying a lot of attention to when they used electricity.

TB

Technobarbarian <technobarbarian-ztopzpam@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 7/11/2022 7:28 AM, Ralph E Lindberg wrote:
>> On 2022-07-08 00:49:46 +0000, Technobarbarian said:
>>
>>>      I got an email from the electrical company. They made an offer I
>>> could refuse. I was paying a fixed rate, no matter what time I used
>>> the power, and I can go back to that anytime I want (for now). They
>>> said that if I didn't change my ways "time of use pricing" would save
>>> me about $45 a year, mostly during the Winter. This time of year I
>>> would go back and forth saving a little or losing a little--if I don't
>>> change my ways. Some of the "savings" will come from heating the house
>>> in the middle of the night during the Winter, when electricity will
>>> cost almost nothing. We cam easily shift some of our usage for more
>>> savings.
>>>
>>> "Time of Use Pricing
>>> For Residential
>>> Pricing periods
>>> Time of Use pricing is different for different times of the day. We
>>> call these periods:
>>>
>>> On-peak (times when demand is high)
>>>
>>> Mid-peak
>>>
>>> Off-peak (times when demand is low)
>>>
>>> Your bill includes these electricity charges plus other charges that
>>> apply to all PGE customers, such as a basic charge, distribution
>>> charge and supplemental adjustments. See the  for more information on
>>> all the charges included on your bill.
>>>
>>> Time of Use rates also include a 0.36 cent per kWh credit for the
>>> first 1,000 kWh used. This credit is not applicable to separately
>>> metered Electric Vehicle Time of Use option.
>>>
>>> Time of Use period
>>> Time of Use price
>>> Basic Service price
>>> On-peak
>>>
>>> 22.22 ¢ per kWh
>>>
>>> Up to 1000 kWh: 12.65 ¢ per kWh ; > 1000 kWh: 13.01 ¢ per kWh
>>>
>>> Mid-peak
>>>
>>> 16.85 ¢ per kWh
>>>
>>> Up to 1000 kWh: 12.65 ¢ per kWh ; > 1000 kWh: 13.01 ¢ per kWh
>>>
>>> Off-peak
>>>
>>> 4.12 ¢ per kWh
>>>
>>> Up to 1000 kWh: 12.65 ¢ per kWh ; > 1000 kWh: 13.01 ¢ per kWh"
>>>
>>>      Except for the 4 coldest months of the year we're always under
>>> 1,000 Kwh. I don't try to heat or cool the whole place any time of
>>> year. I just have comfort zones, depending on the time of day and the
>>> weather. The weather has been very comfortable lately, so we haven't
>>> been heating or cooling. I expect that to change soon.
>>>
>>>      They offer a not really guarantee that during the first year this
>>> won't raise my bill by more than 10%. If I does they'll refund the
>>> difference--over that 10%. They're supposed to let me know how we're
>>> doin'.
>>>
>>> TB
>>
>> PSE and Seattle City Light both tried this a couple years ago,  I know
>> PSE stopped and I think Seattle did also.
>>
>
>
> Since you can switch pricing at any time it's hard to figure out how
> this will work out for PGE in the long run. They show you all the
> numbers. I could easily game the system by choosing my pricing based on
> the season. At this point I'm just experimenting to see if I can save a
> significant amount of money this time of year by watching when I use
> power. I already know I'll save money during the Winter.
>
> I worked for a low margin business years ago that had no choice.
> They were paying a lot of attention to when they used electricity.
>
> TB
>

If you switch will you lose the $8.7mil/year?

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