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 by: Bradley K. Sherman - Thu, 24 Feb 2022 13:23 UTC

| ...
| Many GOP leaders, such as Mitch McConnell and Lindsey
| Graham, are backing President Biden in lining up NATO
| allies for imposing sanctions on Russia for its invasion of
| Ukraine. Some are saying Biden hasn't gone far enough -
| criticism that's been fueled by the president's decision to
| roll out only limited sanctions, apparently because the
| Russian military has entered only a couple of rebellious
| provinces so far.
|
| But there is another Republican faction, generally aligned
| with a certain former president, that doesn't particularly
| care about Ukraine, and believes its base doesn't much care
| either.
|
| They raised no objection when Donald Trump said Vladimir
| Putin is a "genius," and "very savvy," for his handling of
| Ukraine and framing the invasion as a "peacekeeping"
| mission (which is, of course, an outright lie). Noticeably
| missing from the Putin praise in that radio interview was
| even the mildest disapproval for one country using force to
| seize territory from a sovereign neighbor.
| ...
<https://www.foxnews.com/media/trump-allies-defend-putins-invasion-romney>

--bks

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 by: super70s - Thu, 24 Feb 2022 15:34 UTC

In article <hu2f1hprt6vnpupiq0iocf3chl2jgji86n@4ax.com>,
Blue Lives Matter <Iron_White@Systemic_Patriotism.KMA> wrote:

> On 24 Feb 2022 13:23:49 -0000, bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman)
> wrote:
>
> > | ...
> > | Many GOP leaders, such as Mitch McConnell and Lindsey
> > | Graham, are backing President Biden in lining up NATO
> > | allies for imposing sanctions on Russia for its invasion of
> > | Ukraine. Some are saying Biden hasn't gone far enough -
> > | criticism that's been fueled by the president's decision to
> > | roll out only limited sanctions, apparently because the
> > | Russian military has entered only a couple of rebellious
> > | provinces so far.
> > |
> > | But there is another Republican faction, generally aligned
> > | with a certain former president, that doesn't particularly
> > | care about Ukraine, and believes its base doesn't much care
> > | either.
> > |
> > | They raised no objection when Donald Trump said Vladimir
> > | Putin is a "genius," and "very savvy," for his handling of
> > | Ukraine and framing the invasion as a "peacekeeping"
> > | mission (which is, of course, an outright lie). Noticeably
> > | missing from the Putin praise in that radio interview was
> > | even the mildest disapproval for one country using force to
> > | seize territory from a sovereign neighbor.
> > | ...
> ><https://www.foxnews.com/media/trump-allies-defend-putins-invasion-romney>
> >
> > --bks
>
> Sorry, Biden owns the Ukraine fiasco.

Trump intentionally kept Ukraine weak so as not to offend his brilliant
savvy comrade Putin. Trump owns this invasion.

Last night the dumbass thought US troops were invading instead of
Russian troops, thank God he's not receiving any national security
updates.

Or maybe we should feed false reports to Trump so he'll tell comrade
Putin and throw him off.

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super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:

> Russian troops, thank God he's not receiving any national security
> updates.

What about the ones he stole?

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 by: super70s - Thu, 24 Feb 2022 23:55 UTC

In article <7uaf1hhbop856nq0ieabmh4h94v34pehb7@4ax.com>,
Blue Lives Matter <Iron_White@Systemic_Patriotism.KMA> wrote:

> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 09:34:28 -0600, super70s
> <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:
>
> >In article <hu2f1hprt6vnpupiq0iocf3chl2jgji86n@4ax.com>,
> > Blue Lives Matter <Iron_White@Systemic_Patriotism.KMA> wrote:
> >
> >> On 24 Feb 2022 13:23:49 -0000, bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman)
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > | ...
> >> > | Many GOP leaders, such as Mitch McConnell and Lindsey
> >> > | Graham, are backing President Biden in lining up NATO
> >> > | allies for imposing sanctions on Russia for its invasion of
> >> > | Ukraine. Some are saying Biden hasn't gone far enough -
> >> > | criticism that's been fueled by the president's decision to
> >> > | roll out only limited sanctions, apparently because the
> >> > | Russian military has entered only a couple of rebellious
> >> > | provinces so far.
> >> > |
> >> > | But there is another Republican faction, generally aligned
> >> > | with a certain former president, that doesn't particularly
> >> > | care about Ukraine, and believes its base doesn't much care
> >> > | either.
> >> > |
> >> > | They raised no objection when Donald Trump said Vladimir
> >> > | Putin is a "genius," and "very savvy," for his handling of
> >> > | Ukraine and framing the invasion as a "peacekeeping"
> >> > | mission (which is, of course, an outright lie). Noticeably
> >> > | missing from the Putin praise in that radio interview was
> >> > | even the mildest disapproval for one country using force to
> >> > | seize territory from a sovereign neighbor.
> >> > | ...
> >> ><https://www.foxnews.com/media/trump-allies-defend-putins-invasion-
> >> >romney>
> >> >
> >> > --bks
> >>
> >> Sorry, Biden owns the Ukraine fiasco.
> >
> >Trump intentionally kept Ukraine weak so as not to offend his brilliant
> >savvy comrade Putin. Trump owns this invasion.
>
> <LOL> Sorry, that's not going to fly....

"Ukraine Aid Frozen by Trump Administration Has Been Vital in the
Country's Defense Against Russia"

https://time.com/5685881/ukraine-aid-trump-putin-whistleblower/

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 by: 25.BX943 - Fri, 25 Feb 2022 01:57 UTC

On 2/24/22 8:23 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
> | ...
> | Many GOP leaders, such as Mitch McConnell and Lindsey
> | Graham, are backing President Biden in lining up NATO
> | allies for imposing sanctions on Russia for its invasion of
> | Ukraine. Some are saying Biden hasn't gone far enough -
> | criticism that's been fueled by the president's decision to
> | roll out only limited sanctions, apparently because the
> | Russian military has entered only a couple of rebellious
> | provinces so far.
> |
> | But there is another Republican faction, generally aligned
> | with a certain former president, that doesn't particularly
> | care about Ukraine, and believes its base doesn't much care
> | either.
> |
> | They raised no objection when Donald Trump said Vladimir
> | Putin is a "genius," and "very savvy," for his handling of
> | Ukraine and framing the invasion as a "peacekeeping"
> | mission (which is, of course, an outright lie). Noticeably
> | missing from the Putin praise in that radio interview was
> | even the mildest disapproval for one country using force to
> | seize territory from a sovereign neighbor.
> | ...
> <https://www.foxnews.com/media/trump-allies-defend-putins-invasion-romney>
>
> --bks
>

I don't know if Putin is a "genius" - but he IS "very savvy".
Trump is telling it like it is.

Alas the USA has a destructive habit of trying to paint foes
as weak idiots - and learns a bloody lesson shortly thereafter.

Huns ? Old pointy-helmeted strutters ... no problem. Japs ?
Tiny squinty-eyed panic-prone and they all wear round glasses.
Vietnamese ? Primitive jungle-dwellers. N.Koreans and Chinese ?
Tiny confused jabbering people. Taliban ? Dirty sheet-wearing
uneducated throwbacks.

And what did we FIND ?

Well folks, the Russians have mass quantities of quality battle
gear, good strategists, are about the ultimate hard-asses and
have calculating savvy leaders who know how to keep the rest
of the world confused, guessing and divided.

So SKIP the bullshit this time. The Russians and Putin are very
formidable opponents and are not afraid of blood and guts and
bullshit "sanctions". Kill a million and the next million will
step right up and start shooting at you. Dealings with Russia
require CARE, INTELLIGENCE and SAVVY ... and our current admin
is severely lacking in all three.

Which does not bode well. Putin picked the perfect time to
start grabbing back the old Soviet empire. He may not stop
at Ukraine either. He HATES those uppity Baltic countries
and would love to grab a wedge of Poland to cut them off
from the rest of europe. The Serbs ... no problem, they will
again gravitate towards Russia all on their own. Bulgaria
and maybe Hungary won't be so eager - but ...

So welcome to the 21st century. Looks like it won't be the
west's century. Things got heavily re-aligned early in the
20th century and now it's happening again. Just for fun,
find maps of europe and asia from the 1890's and compare
them to the 1990s. BIG shifts. Borders all re-drawn, new
countries, dissappeared countries and empires .....

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In article <nc8g1htno8p0f5os8kkj2ur9m82sofvee7@4ax.com>,
Blue Lives Matter <Iron_White@Systemic_Patriotism.KMA> wrote:

> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 17:55:50 -0600, super70s
> <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:
>
> >In article <7uaf1hhbop856nq0ieabmh4h94v34pehb7@4ax.com>,
> > Blue Lives Matter <Iron_White@Systemic_Patriotism.KMA> wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 09:34:28 -0600, super70s
> >> <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article <hu2f1hprt6vnpupiq0iocf3chl2jgji86n@4ax.com>,
> >> > Blue Lives Matter <Iron_White@Systemic_Patriotism.KMA> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On 24 Feb 2022 13:23:49 -0000, bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman)
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > | ...
> >> >> > | Many GOP leaders, such as Mitch McConnell and Lindsey
> >> >> > | Graham, are backing President Biden in lining up NATO
> >> >> > | allies for imposing sanctions on Russia for its invasion of
> >> >> > | Ukraine. Some are saying Biden hasn't gone far enough -
> >> >> > | criticism that's been fueled by the president's decision to
> >> >> > | roll out only limited sanctions, apparently because the
> >> >> > | Russian military has entered only a couple of rebellious
> >> >> > | provinces so far.
> >> >> > |
> >> >> > | But there is another Republican faction, generally aligned
> >> >> > | with a certain former president, that doesn't particularly
> >> >> > | care about Ukraine, and believes its base doesn't much care
> >> >> > | either.
> >> >> > |
> >> >> > | They raised no objection when Donald Trump said Vladimir
> >> >> > | Putin is a "genius," and "very savvy," for his handling of
> >> >> > | Ukraine and framing the invasion as a "peacekeeping"
> >> >> > | mission (which is, of course, an outright lie). Noticeably
> >> >> > | missing from the Putin praise in that radio interview was
> >> >> > | even the mildest disapproval for one country using force to
> >> >> > | seize territory from a sovereign neighbor.
> >> >> > | ...
> >> >> ><https://www.foxnews.com/media/trump-allies-defend-putins-invasion-
> >> >> >romney>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --bks
> >> >>
> >> >> Sorry, Biden owns the Ukraine fiasco.
> >> >
> >> >Trump intentionally kept Ukraine weak so as not to offend his brilliant
> >> >savvy comrade Putin. Trump owns this invasion.
> >>
> >> <LOL> Sorry, that's not going to fly....
> >
> >"Ukraine Aid Frozen by Trump Administration Has Been Vital in the
> >Country's Defense Against Russia"
> >
> >https://time.com/5685881/ukraine-aid-trump-putin-whistleblower/
>
>
> <LOL> From your cite:
>
> President Barack Obama resisted handing Ukraine deadly weapons,
> concerned about further inflaming tensions with Russia. But as ties
> deteriorated, Trump eventually agreed under pressure from Congress.
> The U.S. provides more than 90% of Ukraineā€šs military aid.
>
> The latest controversy concerns $400 million of assistance. A person
> familiar with the matter says Trump ordered his acting chief of staff
> to delay a week before the now infamous call with Ukrainian President
> Volodymyr Zelenskiy. The aid was eventually approved.

"Republicans involved in the impeachment inquiry have repeatedly touted
the Trump administration's sale of anti-tank missiles to Ukraine as
evidence the president is supportive of the country against Russian
aggression, but they've left out key details in the process.

Under the rules of the sale, the Javelin missiles have to be stored in
western Ukraine, which is far from the frontlines of the ongoing
conflict in the eastern part of the country (the Donbas region) against
pro-Russia separatists.

In short, the Javelins were essentially provided to Ukraine under the
condition that they not be used in the conflict zone."

https://www.businessinsider.com/republicans-leaving-out-key-detail-trump-
javelin-sale-to-ukraine-2019-11


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