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 by: 25.BX943 - Tue, 1 Mar 2022 04:39 UTC

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10561299/AOC-Bernies-Democratic-Socialists-group-blames-Russia-invasion-demands-end-NATO.html

AOC and Bernie Sanders' 'Democratic Socialists' group blames
the US for Russian invasion of Ukraine and demands NATO is
scrapped: 'US must end the imperialist expansionism that set
the stage for this conflict'

.. . .

I thought we were going to block Russian propaganda ...

Anyway, CLEARLY, AOC & Bernie say Putin is an angel, fully
justified in saving wonderful Mother Russia from the horrible
fiendish, awful deadly threat of Ukrainian aggression and
US/western imperialism ! They imply he is blameless, a savior,
a saint ........ it's all the Americans fault ..............

Putin's giant convoy is nearly to Kyiv. Once there it will
orchestrate a sort of genocide - citizens will have the
choice of being blown to bits or starving to death. But
then Bernie/AOC figure they're all fascists - Putin SAID
so after all !

Keep it up Bernie, AOC ... you're making a great sedition
or treason charge for yourselves. Being anti-American and
pro-Putin just became HIGHLY unfashionable, worrisome, a
sign of criminal allegiance ....... I think you two just
Woke yourselves to death ............

And note how they bitched when Trump said Putin was smart.
He IS smart, in a highly dangerous and evil fashion - ignore
that truth at your extreme peril. At this point he's become
a weirdo "evil genius" like in the "Despicable" movie or
Carrey's (well acted) Dr.Robotnik character in the funny
Hedgehog flik.

Except this Dr.Robotnik has a giant well-armed military and
nuclear weapons ......

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 by: Rudy Canoza - Tue, 1 Mar 2022 04:56 UTC

On 2/28/2022 8:39 PM, 25.BX943 wrote:
> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/

When you read shit at the far right-wingnut "dailymail," what you're reading are
lies. *Here* is what the Democratic Socialists of America (a group I abjure —
look it up, Hartung, I know you don't know the word) actually said:

The Democratic Socialists of America condemns Russia’s invasion of Ukraine
and demands immediate diplomacy and de-escalation to resolve this crisis. We
stand in solidarity with the working classes of Ukraine and Russia who will
undoubtedly bear the brunt of this war, and with antiwar protestors in both
countries and around the world who are calling for a diplomatic resolution.

This extreme and asymmetrical escalation is an illegal act under the United
Nations Charter and severely threatens the livelihoods and well-being of
working-class peoples in Ukraine, Russia, and across the region. We urge an
immediate ceasefire and the total withdrawal of Russian forces from Ukraine.

There is no solution through war or further intervention. This crisis
requires an immediate international antiwar response demanding de-escalation,
international cooperation, and opposition to unilateral coercive measures,
militarization, and other forms of economic and military brinkmanship that
will only exacerbate the human toll of this conflict.

DSA reaffirms our call for the US to withdraw from NATO and to end the
imperialist expansionism that set the stage for this conflict. We call on
antiwar activists in the US and across the world to oppose violent
escalations, demand a lasting diplomatic solution, and stress the crucial
need to accept any and all refugees resulting from this crisis. Much of the
next ten years are coming into view through this attack. While the failures
of neoliberal order are clear to everyone, the ruling class is trying to
build a new world, through a dystopic transition grounded in militarism,
imperialism, and war. Socialists have a duty to build an alternative.

https://www.dsausa.org/statements/on-russias-invasion-of-ukraine/

In *no way* does that statement say the United States is "responsible" for
Putin's decision to invade Ukraine. The eastward expansion of NATO *did*, of
course, antagonize Russia, and long before Putin came onto the scene. In 1990,
the *entire* west promised Russia that NATO would not expand "one inch
eastward," and the promise was broken. It *did* help to set the stage for
Russia to invade Ukraine. It is not "anti-American" to acknowledge that pure
truth. The eastward expansion of NATO, and the hinting at possible NATO
membership for Ukraine, were all but guaranteed to produce this result.

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 by: TruthBarker - Tue, 1 Mar 2022 12:28 UTC

On 3/1/22 12:56 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
> On 2/28/2022 8:39 PM, 25.BX943 wrote:
>> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/
>
> When you read shit at the far right-wingnut "dailymail," what you're
> reading are lies.  *Here* is what the Democratic Socialists of America
> (a group I abjure — look it up, Hartung, I know you don't know the word)
> actually said:
>

He has been told that many times but enjoys swimming in the cesspool,
also adds his own crap to the cesspool.

Just good for laughs, nothing more,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_GI1hUwH3E

>    The Democratic Socialists of America condemns Russia’s invasion of
> Ukraine
>    and demands immediate diplomacy and de-escalation to resolve this
> crisis. We
>    stand in solidarity with the working classes of Ukraine and Russia
> who will
>    undoubtedly bear the brunt of this war, and with antiwar protestors
> in both
>    countries and around the world who are calling for a diplomatic
> resolution.
>
>    This extreme and asymmetrical escalation is an illegal act under the
> United
>    Nations Charter and severely threatens the livelihoods and
> well-being of
>    working-class peoples in Ukraine, Russia, and across the region. We
> urge an
>    immediate ceasefire and the total withdrawal of Russian forces from
> Ukraine.
>
>    There is no solution through war or further intervention. This crisis
>    requires an immediate international antiwar response demanding
> de-escalation,
>    international cooperation, and opposition to unilateral coercive
> measures,
>    militarization, and other forms of economic and military
> brinkmanship that
>    will only exacerbate the human toll of this conflict.
>
>    DSA reaffirms our call for the US to withdraw from NATO and to end the
>    imperialist expansionism that set the stage for this conflict. We
> call on
>    antiwar activists in the US and across the world to oppose violent
>    escalations, demand a lasting diplomatic solution, and stress the
> crucial
>    need to accept any and all refugees resulting from this crisis. Much
> of the
>    next ten years are coming into view through this attack. While the
> failures
>    of neoliberal order are clear to everyone, the ruling class is
> trying to
>    build a new world, through a dystopic transition grounded in
> militarism,
>    imperialism, and war. Socialists have a duty to build an alternative.
>
> https://www.dsausa.org/statements/on-russias-invasion-of-ukraine/
>
> In *no way* does that statement say the United States is "responsible"
> for Putin's decision to invade Ukraine.  The eastward expansion of NATO
> *did*, of course, antagonize Russia, and long before Putin came onto the
> scene.  In 1990, the *entire* west promised Russia that NATO would not
> expand "one inch eastward," and the promise was broken.  It *did* help
> to set the stage for Russia to invade Ukraine.  It is not
> "anti-American" to acknowledge that pure truth.  The eastward expansion
> of NATO, and the hinting at possible NATO membership for Ukraine, were
> all but guaranteed to produce this result.

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