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Well, Joe Biden is proving to be just as incompetent a POTUS as some of the more witting of us predicted he would be over a year ago -- before he was elected.

Joe, our 46th President, is doing an excellent job of demonstrating he is the worst POTUS since the 39th, "Jimmy" Carter [1977-1981].

If Joe keeps up at this pace, he stands an excellent chance of demonstrating he is our worst President in a Century ---- i.e., since the 29th, Warren Gamaliel Harding [1921-1923].

D. Spencer Hines
Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Prosecutio stultitiae gravis vexatio est, executio stultitiae coronat opus.

Quintus Aurelius Stultus [38 B.C. - 14 A.D.]

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On Wednesday, October 13, 2021 at 10:14:22 AM UTC-10, D. Spencer Hines wrote:
> Well, Joe Biden is proving to be just as incompetent a POTUS as some of the more witting of us predicted he would be over a year ago -- before he was elected.
>
> Joe, our 46th President, is doing an excellent job of demonstrating he is the worst POTUS since the 39th, "Jimmy" Carter [1977-1981].
>
> If Joe keeps up at this pace, he stands an excellent chance of demonstrating he is our worst President in a Century ---- i.e., since the 29th, Warren Gamaliel Harding [1921-1923].
>
> D. Spencer Hines
> Lux et Veritas et Libertas
>
> Prosecutio stultitiae gravis vexatio est, executio stultitiae coronat opus.
>
> Quintus Aurelius Stultus [38 B.C. - 14 A.D.]

NO ONE is willing to defend Joe Biden and his Administration?

Interesting...

D. Spencer Hines
Lux et Veritas et Libertas

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 by: a425couple - Thu, 14 Oct 2021 23:21 UTC

On 10/14/2021 2:01 PM, D. Spencer Hines wrote:
> On Wednesday, October 13, 2021 at 10:14:22 AM UTC-10, D. Spencer Hines wrote:
>> Well, Joe Biden is proving to be just as incompetent a POTUS as some of the more witting of us predicted he would be over a year ago -- before he was elected.
>>
>> Joe, our 46th President, is doing an excellent job of demonstrating he is the worst POTUS since the 39th, "Jimmy" Carter [1977-1981].
>>
>> If Joe keeps up at this pace, he stands an excellent chance of demonstrating he is our worst President in a Century ---- i.e., since the 29th, Warren Gamaliel Harding [1921-1923].
>>
>> D. Spencer Hines
>> Lux et Veritas et Libertas
>>
>> Prosecutio stultitiae gravis vexatio est, executio stultitiae coronat opus.
>>
>> Quintus Aurelius Stultus [38 B.C. - 14 A.D.]
>
> NO ONE is willing to defend Joe Biden and his Administration?
>
> Interesting...
>
> D. Spencer Hines
> Lux et Veritas et Libertas
>
Good to see you post again.
The posters on all the newsgroups are really decreasing.

I hope your health and overall status is good.

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 by: Peter Jason - Fri, 15 Oct 2021 22:05 UTC

On Thu, 14 Oct 2021 14:01:15 -0700 (PDT), "D. Spencer Hines"
<dsh1602@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, October 13, 2021 at 10:14:22 AM UTC-10, D. Spencer Hines wrote:
>> Well, Joe Biden is proving to be just as incompetent a POTUS as some of the more witting of us predicted he would be over a year ago -- before he was elected.
>>
>> Joe, our 46th President, is doing an excellent job of demonstrating he is the worst POTUS since the 39th, "Jimmy" Carter [1977-1981].
>>
>> If Joe keeps up at this pace, he stands an excellent chance of demonstrating he is our worst President in a Century ---- i.e., since the 29th, Warren Gamaliel Harding [1921-1923].
>>
>> D. Spencer Hines
>> Lux et Veritas et Libertas
>>
>> Prosecutio stultitiae gravis vexatio est, executio stultitiae coronat opus.
>>
>> Quintus Aurelius Stultus [38 B.C. - 14 A.D.]
>
>NO ONE is willing to defend Joe Biden and his Administration?
>
>Interesting...
>
>D. Spencer Hines
>Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Well, he got the hell out of Afghanistan - a good start - and he might
be the instigator of fortress America, the way it was before WWI.
I suppose he hasn't the balls to annex Mexico and the like and raise a
wall across the isthmus of Panama.
And Alan Greenspan is still at large! Remember 2008!!
And he added few trillion of paper in the USD. The USD would
dissolve in water now.
Still, Sleepy Joe might follow the medical dictum of "do no harm" and
hand the diminished presidency over to some successor.
This successor might do the proper things like...
1/ Merge most states.
2/ Biometrics at birth; and apply to immigration.
3/ Raise tariffs.
4/ Dump income tax; instead raise consumption taxes.

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On Thursday, October 14, 2021 at 1:21:11 PM UTC-10, a425couple wrote:
> On 10/14/2021 2:01 PM, D. Spencer Hines wrote:
> > On Wednesday, October 13, 2021 at 10:14:22 AM UTC-10, D. Spencer Hines wrote:
> >> Well, Joe Biden is proving to be just as incompetent a POTUS as some of the more witting of us predicted he would be over a year ago -- before he was elected.
> >>
> >> Joe, our 46th President, is doing an excellent job of demonstrating he is the worst POTUS since the 39th, "Jimmy" Carter [1977-1981].
> >>
> >> If Joe keeps up at this pace, he stands an excellent chance of demonstrating he is our worst President in a Century ---- i.e., since the 29th, Warren Gamaliel Harding [1921-1923].
> >>
> >> D. Spencer Hines
> >> Lux et Veritas et Libertas
> >>
> >> Prosecutio stultitiae gravis vexatio est, executio stultitiae coronat opus.
> >>
> >> Quintus Aurelius Stultus [38 B.C. - 14 A.D.]
> >
> > NO ONE is willing to defend Joe Biden and his Administration?
> >
> > Interesting...
> >
> > D. Spencer Hines
> > Lux et Veritas et Libertas
> >
> Good to see you post again.
> The posters on all the newsgroups are really decreasing.
>
> I hope your health and overall status is good.

Yes, I'm good. Thank you. Stay Safe.

You're right many people have abandoned the newsgroups. The Quality is really down.

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On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 12:05:35 PM UTC-10, Peter Jason wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Oct 2021 14:01:15 -0700 (PDT), "D. Spencer Hines"
> <dsh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, October 13, 2021 at 10:14:22 AM UTC-10, D. Spencer Hines wrote:
> >> Well, Joe Biden is proving to be just as incompetent a POTUS as some of the more witting of us predicted he would be over a year ago -- before he was elected.
> >>
> >> Joe, our 46th President, is doing an excellent job of demonstrating he is the worst POTUS since the 39th, "Jimmy" Carter [1977-1981].
> >>
> >> If Joe keeps up at this pace, he stands an excellent chance of demonstrating he is our worst President in a Century ---- i.e., since the 29th, Warren Gamaliel Harding [1921-1923].
> >>
> >> D. Spencer Hines
> >> Lux et Veritas et Libertas
> >>
> >> Prosecutio stultitiae gravis vexatio est, executio stultitiae coronat opus.
> >>
> >> Quintus Aurelius Stultus [38 B.C. - 14 A.D.]
> >
> >NO ONE is willing to defend Joe Biden and his Administration?
> >
> >Interesting...
> >
> >D. Spencer Hines
> >Lux et Veritas et Libertas
> Well, he got the hell out of Afghanistan - a good start - and he might
> be the instigator of fortress America, the way it was before WWI.
> I suppose he hasn't the balls to annex Mexico and the like and raise a
> wall across the isthmus of Panama.
> And Alan Greenspan is still at large! Remember 2008!!
> And he added few trillion of paper in the USD. The USD would
> dissolve in water now.
> Still, Sleepy Joe might follow the medical dictum of "do no harm" and
> hand the diminished presidency over to some successor.
> This successor might do the proper things like...
> 1/ Merge most states.
> 2/ Biometrics at birth; and apply to immigration.
> 3/ Raise tariffs.
> 4/ Dump income tax; instead raise consumption taxes.

Well, you are at least thinking about it and not afraid to post.

Bravo!

But Beware!....................

You might be called out as a Domestic Terrorist!

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 by: Ed Stasiak - Sat, 16 Oct 2021 17:11 UTC

> Peter Jason
> > D. Spencer Hines
> >
> > Interesting...

Hey, welcome back.

> Well, he got the hell out of Afghanistan - a good start - and he might
> be the instigator of fortress America, the way it was before WWI.

What? This was Trump’s policy, both GTFO of Afghanistan and returning
to the days of “fortress America”, especially as it related to trade and illegal
mass migration, neither of which Biden gives a shit about, especially the
illegals pouring over the southern border.

> This successor might do the proper things like...
> 1/ Merge most states.

?

> 2/ Biometrics at birth; and apply to immigration.

Oh I can see a biometric database being created but not to halt illegal
immigration but to keep tighter control over legal American citizens.

> 3/ Raise tariffs.

LOL, no. Once again, it was Trump and ONLY Trump who was harping
on the outrageous trade imbalance between the U.S. and China (and
other nations).

https://i.postimg.cc/gj6RXn2D/China-US-trade-deficit.jpg
https://ibb.co/GT2s7pq

Biden and the others are all in Wall Street’s pocket and will continue
the retarded policy of “Free Trade” as it profits the 1%ers who butter
their bread.

> 4/ Dump income tax; instead raise consumption taxes.

The Dems have been and will continue to push for more taxes but these
tax increases will fall on the working class, (as always) while the 1%ers
are given loopholes.

Bidens latest plan is requiring banks to flag ANY transaction over $600
and send a notice to the IRS.

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 by: Eric Stevens - Sun, 17 Oct 2021 03:24 UTC

On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 20:54:49 -0700 (PDT), "D. Spencer Hines"
<dsh1602@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, October 14, 2021 at 1:21:11 PM UTC-10, a425couple wrote:
>> On 10/14/2021 2:01 PM, D. Spencer Hines wrote:
>> > On Wednesday, October 13, 2021 at 10:14:22 AM UTC-10, D. Spencer Hines wrote:
>> >> Well, Joe Biden is proving to be just as incompetent a POTUS as some of the more witting of us predicted he would be over a year ago -- before he was elected.
>> >>
>> >> Joe, our 46th President, is doing an excellent job of demonstrating he is the worst POTUS since the 39th, "Jimmy" Carter [1977-1981].
>> >>
>> >> If Joe keeps up at this pace, he stands an excellent chance of demonstrating he is our worst President in a Century ---- i.e., since the 29th, Warren Gamaliel Harding [1921-1923].
>> >>
>> >> D. Spencer Hines
>> >> Lux et Veritas et Libertas
>> >>
>> >> Prosecutio stultitiae gravis vexatio est, executio stultitiae coronat opus.
>> >>
>> >> Quintus Aurelius Stultus [38 B.C. - 14 A.D.]
>> >
>> > NO ONE is willing to defend Joe Biden and his Administration?
>> >
>> > Interesting...
>> >
>> > D. Spencer Hines
>> > Lux et Veritas et Libertas
>> >
>> Good to see you post again.
>> The posters on all the newsgroups are really decreasing.
>>
>> I hope your health and overall status is good.
>
>Yes, I'm good. Thank you. Stay Safe.
>
>You're right many people have abandoned the newsgroups. The Quality is really down.

That last is what Beau Brummel said.
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

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On Sat, 16 Oct 2021 10:11:02 -0700 (PDT), Ed Stasiak
<edstasiak1067@gmail.com> wrote:

>> Peter Jason
>> > D. Spencer Hines
>> >
>> > Interesting...
>
>Hey, welcome back.
>
>> Well, he got the hell out of Afghanistan - a good start - and he might
>> be the instigator of fortress America, the way it was before WWI.
>
>What? This was Trump’s policy, both GTFO of Afghanistan and returning
>to the days of “fortress America”, especially as it related to trade and illegal
>mass migration, neither of which Biden gives a shit about, especially the
>illegals pouring over the southern border.
>
>> This successor might do the proper things like...
>> 1/ Merge most states.
>
Yes. Isn't 52+ states far too many? Duplication of services must
cost a lot of money. Maybe 10 states would be enough.
>
>> 2/ Biometrics at birth; and apply to immigration.
>
>Oh I can see a biometric database being created but not to halt illegal
>immigration but to keep tighter control over legal American citizens.

Exactly. Americans have way too much freedom. What is REALLY needed
is progress & stability. A biometric database would really upset
the Wall St sharks & their tax avoidance activities. And fingerprint
company directors as well because their as guilty as Satan.
>
>> 3/ Raise tariffs.
>
>LOL, no. Once again, it was Trump and ONLY Trump who was harping
>on the outrageous trade imbalance between the U.S. and China (and
>other nations).
>
>https://i.postimg.cc/gj6RXn2D/China-US-trade-deficit.jpg
>https://ibb.co/GT2s7pq
>
>Biden and the others are all in Wall Street’s pocket and will continue
>the retarded policy of “Free Trade” as it profits the 1%ers who butter
>their bread.
>
>> 4/ Dump income tax; instead raise consumption taxes.

It is income that's rorted. Point of sale (expenditure) taxes are
harder to avoid.
>
>The Dems have been and will continue to push for more taxes but these
>tax increases will fall on the working class, (as always) while the 1%ers
>are given loopholes.
>
>Bidens latest plan is requiring banks to flag ANY transaction over $600
>and send a notice to the IRS.

We have had something similar for ages, only it is about AUD$10,000.
The banks ignore this, and so we have the crims parked outside ATMs
stuffing them with currency then into dummy accounts. The banks are
rotten to the marrow too. The regularity authorities are sinecures
for old farts nearing retirement.

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> Peter Jason
> > Ed Stasiak
> > > Peter Jason
> > >
> > > Merge most states.
>
> Yes. Isn't 52+ states far too many? Duplication of services
> must cost a lot of money. Maybe 10 states would be enough.

Not that I ever see that happening but here's a couple of
speculative maps:

https://i.postimg.cc/KzWprn0X/US-38-States.jpg
https://ibb.co/qC6jvQc

https://i.postimg.cc/VLX1v6Ns/US-50-states-equal-population.jpg
https://ibb.co/5cGBnrq

> > Oh I can see a biometric database being created but not to
> > halt illegal immigration but to keep tighter control over
> > legal American citizens.
>
> Exactly. Americans have way too much freedom. What is REALLY
> needed is progress & stability. A biometric database would
> really upset the Wall St sharks & their tax avoidance activities.
> And fingerprint company directors as well because their as guilty
> as Satan.

As with the taxes, the Global Corporate-Government Nobility will
get loopholes, this would only apply to peasants like you and me.

> > > 4/ Dump income tax; instead raise consumption taxes.
>
> It is income that's rorted. Point of sale (expenditure) taxes
> are harder to avoid.

Sales taxes hurt the working class far more then the 1%ers.

https://i.postimg.cc/L4fGBWFN/restaurant-bill.jpg
https://ibb.co/7y6NLPD

> > Bidens latest plan is requiring banks to flag ANY transaction
> > over $600 and send a notice to the IRS.
>
> We have had something similar for ages, only it is about AUD$10,000.

So does the U.S. but with a $600 limit, all kinda peasants are
going to get jammed up by the IRS while the Global Corporate
Government Nobility continue to hide their wealth in secret
overseas bank accounts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panama_Papers
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 by: The Horny Goat - Tue, 19 Oct 2021 05:45 UTC

On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 16:40:44 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:

>>> This successor might do the proper things like...
>>> 1/ Merge most states.
>>
> Yes. Isn't 52+ states far too many? Duplication of services must
>cost a lot of money. Maybe 10 states would be enough.
>>

Silly question from a non-American but legally whose permission would
be required to divide or merge an existing state(s).

Obviously the state's permission (presumably expressed by referendum)
- and if a merger both states involved. Presumably also the federal
government's since such a move would impact the number of federal
representatives in both houses. (But again - which body(ies) would be
required to vote for a new state or merger of two existing state? HoR?
Senate? both? presumably not the president acting alone)

Anybody else? Is there in fact an existing constitutional procedure to
do this?

The experience of Virginia and West Virginia is not I think relevant
since at the time Virginia was a state in rebellion and the counties
that formed West Virginia were solidly against secession which is a
unique circumstance I would not expect ever to be duplicated.

I understand how a state would be added (and heard all about AK / HI's
joining the Union from my American dad - who actually at one point had
a 49 star flag) but Puerto Rico and very unlikely DC are the only
currently potential states.

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 by: Peter Jason - Tue, 19 Oct 2021 20:39 UTC

On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 22:45:18 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
wrote:

>On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 16:40:44 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:
>
>>>> This successor might do the proper things like...
>>>> 1/ Merge most states.
>>>
>> Yes. Isn't 52+ states far too many? Duplication of services must
>>cost a lot of money. Maybe 10 states would be enough.
>>>
>
>Silly question from a non-American but legally whose permission would
>be required to divide or merge an existing state(s).
>
>Obviously the state's permission (presumably expressed by referendum)
>- and if a merger both states involved. Presumably also the federal
>government's since such a move would impact the number of federal
>representatives in both houses. (But again - which body(ies) would be
>required to vote for a new state or merger of two existing state? HoR?
>Senate? both? presumably not the president acting alone)
>
>Anybody else? Is there in fact an existing constitutional procedure to
>do this?
>
>The experience of Virginia and West Virginia is not I think relevant
>since at the time Virginia was a state in rebellion and the counties
>that formed West Virginia were solidly against secession which is a
>unique circumstance I would not expect ever to be duplicated.
>
>I understand how a state would be added (and heard all about AK / HI's
>joining the Union from my American dad - who actually at one point had
>a 49 star flag) but Puerto Rico and very unlikely DC are the only
>currently potential states.

Well, Bismarck did it in 1870.

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 by: The Horny Goat - Wed, 20 Oct 2021 04:07 UTC

On Wed, 20 Oct 2021 07:39:26 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:

>>I understand how a state would be added (and heard all about AK / HI's
>>joining the Union from my American dad - who actually at one point had
>>a 49 star flag) but Puerto Rico and very unlikely DC are the only
>>currently potential states.
>
>Well, Bismarck did it in 1870.

Bismarck won a war with France. Surely you're not suggesting THAT as a
method of bringing about a change in state boundaries?

Any other potential states? I don't think American Samoa has remotely
the needed population.

And I don't the rest of the Union is ready for TWO Californias!
(That's partly a serious partly a joking comment)

You mentioned Bismarck - did you know that Kaiser Wilhelm II was the
arbiter agreed to by both the UK and USA to set the boundary of the
Alaska Panhandle between the US and Canada? True.

We still liked Kaiser Bill in 1903 :)

https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/alaska-boundary-dispute

The timing is important as Skagway AK was an important supply route
for prospectors to the Klondike gold fields in the gold rush of
1897-98. The dispute had smoldered for 20+ years but with the
discovery of gold it was clear that "SOMETHING HAD TO BE DONE" (tm)
and Britain "persuaded" Canada to get serious about it.

141W was and still is the boundary north of 60N since forever (Russia
had declared it to be the boundary from the beginning) but the
boundary of the panhandle had been a bit iffy mostly due to the
geography of the area.

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On Tue, 19 Oct 2021 21:07:07 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
wrote:

>On Wed, 20 Oct 2021 07:39:26 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:
>
>>>I understand how a state would be added (and heard all about AK / HI's
>>>joining the Union from my American dad - who actually at one point had
>>>a 49 star flag) but Puerto Rico and very unlikely DC are the only
>>>currently potential states.
>>
>>Well, Bismarck did it in 1870.
>
>Bismarck won a war with France. Surely you're not suggesting THAT as a
>method of bringing about a change in state boundaries?
>
>Any other potential states? I don't think American Samoa has remotely
>the needed population.
>
>And I don't the rest of the Union is ready for TWO Californias!
>(That's partly a serious partly a joking comment)
>
>You mentioned Bismarck - did you know that Kaiser Wilhelm II was the
>arbiter agreed to by both the UK and USA to set the boundary of the
>Alaska Panhandle between the US and Canada? True.
>
>We still liked Kaiser Bill in 1903 :)
>
>https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/alaska-boundary-dispute
>
>The timing is important as Skagway AK was an important supply route
>for prospectors to the Klondike gold fields in the gold rush of
>1897-98. The dispute had smoldered for 20+ years but with the
>discovery of gold it was clear that "SOMETHING HAD TO BE DONE" (tm)
>and Britain "persuaded" Canada to get serious about it.
>
>141W was and still is the boundary north of 60N since forever (Russia
>had declared it to be the boundary from the beginning) but the
>boundary of the panhandle had been a bit iffy mostly due to the
>geography of the area.

Yes these things are born from settlements after wars, such as the EU
realignment after the 30-years war. It might be argued the USA is
recovering (we hope) from the financial disasters of the past 20
years. After the trillions spent on wars and economic currency
watering there must a case for the greater efficiency state
consolidation would provide.

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 by: The Horny Goat - Fri, 22 Oct 2021 19:40 UTC

On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 07:26:41 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:

>>The timing is important as Skagway AK was an important supply route
>>for prospectors to the Klondike gold fields in the gold rush of
>>1897-98. The dispute had smoldered for 20+ years but with the
>>discovery of gold it was clear that "SOMETHING HAD TO BE DONE" (tm)
>>and Britain "persuaded" Canada to get serious about it.
>>
>>141W was and still is the boundary north of 60N since forever (Russia
>>had declared it to be the boundary from the beginning) but the
>>boundary of the panhandle had been a bit iffy mostly due to the
>>geography of the area.
>
>Yes these things are born from settlements after wars, such as the EU
>realignment after the 30-years war. It might be argued the USA is
>recovering (we hope) from the financial disasters of the past 20
>years. After the trillions spent on wars and economic currency
>watering there must a case for the greater efficiency state
>consolidation would provide.

I'm clearly confused - I was talking about various state and
international boundaries (for instance the AK/YT boundary which is
international and CA/OR which was an international boundary and is now
a state boundary) - neither resulted from a war nor did the 49th
parallel (the US/CAN boundary west of Ontario) All three of these
involved the USA - with Britain, Russia and Spain being involved.

(I'm talking about the southern boundary of the Oregon territory which
had nothing to do with the Mexican war of 1848 - but essentially it
came down to the 42nd parallel being the northern limit of the Spanish
claim for their California territory and the US accepting that)

The 30 years war was 1618-1648 which of course is long before
1789-1815 much less 1957 (foundation of the EEC) or 1993 (foundation
of the EU). I'm not aware there was any threat of war involved in the
foundation of either the EEC or EU.

As for Alaska you probably know Russia never settled very far into the
Alaskan interior - and at no time were Russians in the majority
population in Russian Alaska. They certainly never found the Alaskan
gold rush area and no doubt would have wanted more than $ 7.2 million
in gold if they had.

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