Technobarbarian wrote:
>
> Oregon voters appear poised to support new gun control regulations:
> The Oregonian/OregonLive poll
>
> Published: Oct. 04, 2022, 6:00 a.m.
>
> By Beth Slovic | The Oregonian/OregonLive
> Oregonians appear poised to adopt some of the strictest gun
> regulations in the country, according to a new poll commissioned by
> The Oregonian/OregonLive.
>
> A slight majority of likely Oregon voters polled, 51%, said they would
> vote this November for Measure 114, which would require a background
> check, safety training and a permit to acquire a firearm. If approved,
> the measure also would require that police maintain a firearms
> database and would outlaw ammunition magazines that hold more than 10
> rounds.
> [snip]
>
> https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2022/10/oregon-voters-appear-poised-to-support-new-gun-control-regulations-the-oregonianoregonlive-poll.html
>
>
>     They break down the numbers by: party, gender, education,
> residence, etc. It's about what you would expect. There's more support
> for this in the Portland metropolitan area than there is in the rest
> of the state. There are also more people in the Portland metropolitan
> area than the rest of the state.
>
>      This is potentially good news for our Democratic candidate for
> governor. The polls show her running neck and neck with our, more or
> less traditional, Republican candidate. "Machine gun Betsy" is running
> a distant third. Seriously, she does own one and she used to be proud
> of the name and her perfect score with the NRA. She's essentially
> running as a pro-choice Republican. She's doing what her sponsors
> wanted her to do. She's drawing off enough support to give the
> Republican a chance. Personally, I don't trust anyone who claims they
> can solve all our problems and that they are the only one who can fix
> any of them. Both of the Republicans are making this claim. According
> to their ads they're running against our, unpopular with just about
> everyone, outgoing governor, which would be a good trick if they can
> manage it.
>
> TB
>
What do you personally think of 114?

--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

Technobarbarian wrote:
> On 10/4/2022 9:33 AM, bfh wrote:
>> Technobarbarian wrote:
>>>
>>> Oregon voters appear poised to support new gun control regulations:
>>> The Oregonian/OregonLive poll
>>>
>>> Published: Oct. 04, 2022, 6:00 a.m.
>>>
>>> By Beth Slovic | The Oregonian/OregonLive
>>> Oregonians appear poised to adopt some of the strictest gun
>>> regulations in the country, according to a new poll commissioned by
>>> The Oregonian/OregonLive.
>>>
>>> A slight majority of likely Oregon voters polled, 51%, said they
>>> would vote this November for Measure 114, which would require a
>>> background check, safety training and a permit to acquire a
>>> firearm. If approved, the measure also would require that police
>>> maintain a firearms database and would outlaw ammunition magazines
>>> that hold more than 10 rounds.
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>> https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2022/10/oregon-voters-appear-poised-to-support-new-gun-control-regulations-the-oregonianoregonlive-poll.html
>>>
>>>
>>>      They break down the numbers by: party, gender, education,
>>> residence, etc. It's about what you would expect. There's more
>>> support for this in the Portland metropolitan area than there is in
>>> the rest of the state. There are also more people in the Portland
>>> metropolitan area than the rest of the state.
>>>
>>>       This is potentially good news for our Democratic
>>> candidate for governor. The polls show her running neck and neck
>>> with our, more or less traditional, Republican candidate. "Machine
>>> gun Betsy" is running a distant third. Seriously, she does own one
>>> and she used to be proud of the name and her perfect score with the
>>> NRA. She's essentially running as a pro-choice Republican. She's
>>> doing what her sponsors wanted her to do. She's drawing off enough
>>> support to give the Republican a chance. Personally, I don't trust
>>> anyone who claims they can solve all our problems and that they are
>>> the only one who can fix any of them. Both of the Republicans are
>>> making this claim. According to their ads they're running against
>>> our, unpopular with just about everyone, outgoing governor, which
>>> would be a good trick if they can manage it.
>>>
>>> TB
>>>
>> What do you personally think of 114?
>>
>>
>
>       To give you some idea of what people in Portland regularly see
> in the news. There were only 2 fatal stabbings downtown on Friday. The
> second article refers to this first stabbing. "Old town" is the
> eastern half of downtown. Portland's traditional homeless shelters
> have been located there for as long as anyone here can remember.
>
> "Man fatally stabbed on Old Town street corner; suspect ‘swarmed’
> by Portland police nearby
> Updated: Oct. 03, 2022, 12:15 p.m.|Published: Sep. 30, 2022, 1:52 p.m.
>
> By Zane Sparling | The Oregonian/OregonLive
>
> A man was killed in a stabbing Friday on a street corner in Old Town
> after several men started arguing, Portland police and witnesses said.
>
> Officers arrived at West Burnside and Northwest Third Avenue about
> 11:30 a.m. and learned one man had died and another man had fled
> moments earlier, said police spokesperson Sgt. Kevin Allen.
>
> The sergeant dispatching the call hailed for all available patrol
> cars, Allen said. Dispatch records showed 15 units on scene.
>
> “Officers began a very quick investigation,” he said. “They were
> able to catch up with a suspect a couple of blocks to the north. …
> Detectives are not currently looking for any other suspects.”
> [snip]
>
> https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2022/09/person-killed-in-stabbing-in-portlands-old-town-suspect-arrested-nearby.html
>
>
> "Two people stabbed to death in Old Town on Friday
> Jim Redden October 01 2022
> UPDATE: Police are also investigating a Sept. 30 shooting in Southeast
>
> Police are investigating two fatal stabbing in Old Town in nine hours
> on Friday.
>
> A Friday shooting that left a man in critical condition in Southeast
> Portland is also under investigation.
>
> In the most recent stabbing, the Portland Police Bureau said officers
> responded to Northwest Broadway and Northwest Couch Street just after
> 8:30 p.m. on Sept. 30. There they found an injured victim who was
> declared dead by arriving paramedics.
>
> Police announced Saturday morning that Kalil C. Ford, 20, was arrested
> and charged with murder in the second degree and unlawful use of a
> weapon.
>
> According to the police, this was the 71st homicide case for Portland
> in 2022.
>
> Before that, 11:28 a.m. on Friday, Central Precinct officers responded
> to a report of a stabbing at West Burnside Street and Northwest Third
> Avenue. When officers arrived, they located an injured victim.
> Paramedics determined the person was dead.
> [snip]
>
> https://pamplinmedia.com/pt/9-news/559343-447709-two-people-stabbed-to-death-in-old-town-on-friday
>
>
>       We already have a "red flag" law. Like most gun control
> measures I wouldn't expect this one to do much to staunch the flow of
> blood. This one creates a lot of paperwork and treats gun buyers like
> criminals.
>
>       My brother and I took a required hunter safety course when we
> were kids. I don't think we were helped or harmed by it. My experience
> is that gun safety instructors, as a group, are the most dangerous gun
> owners around. Ours demonstrated pulling the bullet out of a 22 shell
> and firing it by heating the primer in the classroom. Safety
> instructors are followed closely by the clowns who do a lot of
> preaching about gun safety without actually practicing what they
> preach. When I lived in Eugene a bunch of sheriff's deputies went out
> on a hunting trip with one of their dispatchers. She didn't come back
> because she ended up getting shot in the head. Those are the people
> who will be issuing the permits.
>
> https://ballotpedia.org/Oregon_Measure_114,_Changes_to_Firearm_Ownership_and_Purchase_Requirements_Initiative_(2022)
>
>
> "require permits issued by local law enforcement to buy a firearm;
> require photo ID, fingerprints, safety training, criminal background
> check, and fee payment to apply for a permit; and
> prohibit manufacturing, importing, purchasing, selling, possessing,
> using, or transferring ammunition magazines capable of holding more
> than 10 rounds and make violations a class A misdemeanor."
>
> I'll vote against it.
>
> TB
>
Would it be safe for me assume that all those words mean, "We've still
got dumbasses running the show out here."?

--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

On Tuesday, October 4, 2022 at 1:27:50 PM UTC-7, Technobarbarian wrote:
> On 10/4/2022 12:58 PM, bfh wrote:
> > Technobarbarian wrote:
> >> On 10/4/2022 9:33 AM, bfh wrote:
> >>> Technobarbarian wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Oregon voters appear poised to support new gun control regulations:
> >>>> The Oregonian/OregonLive poll
> >>>>
> >>>> Published: Oct. 04, 2022, 6:00 a.m.
> >>>>
> >>>> By Beth Slovic | The Oregonian/OregonLive
> >>>> Oregonians appear poised to adopt some of the strictest gun
> >>>> regulations in the country, according to a new poll commissioned by
> >>>> The Oregonian/OregonLive.
> >>>>
> >>>> A slight majority of likely Oregon voters polled, 51%, said they
> >>>> would vote this November for Measure 114, which would require a
> >>>> background check, safety training and a permit to acquire a firearm.
> >>>> If approved, the measure also would require that police maintain a
> >>>> firearms database and would outlaw ammunition magazines that hold
> >>>> more than 10 rounds.
> >>>> [snip]
> >>>>
> >>>> https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2022/10/oregon-voters-appear-poised-to-support-new-gun-control-regulations-the-oregonianoregonlive-poll.html
> >>>>
> >>>> Â Â Â Â They break down the numbers by: party, gender, education,
> >>>> residence, etc. It's about what you would expect. There's more
> >>>> support for this in the Portland metropolitan area than there is in
> >>>> the rest of the state. There are also more people in the Portland
> >>>> metropolitan area than the rest of the state.
> >>>>
> >>>> Â Â Â Â Â This is potentially good news for our Democratic
> >>>> candidate for governor. The polls show her running neck and neck
> >>>> with our, more or less traditional, Republican candidate. "Machine
> >>>> gun Betsy" is running a distant third. Seriously, she does own one
> >>>> and she used to be proud of the name and her perfect score with the
> >>>> NRA. She's essentially running as a pro-choice Republican. She's
> >>>> doing what her sponsors wanted her to do. She's drawing off enough
> >>>> support to give the Republican a chance. Personally, I don't trust
> >>>> anyone who claims they can solve all our problems and that they are
> >>>> the only one who can fix any of them. Both of the Republicans are
> >>>> making this claim. According to their ads they're running against
> >>>> our, unpopular with just about everyone, outgoing governor, which
> >>>> would be a good trick if they can manage it.
> >>>>
> >>>> TB
> >>>>
> >>> What do you personally think of 114?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> To give you some idea of what people in Portland regularly see
> >> in the news. There were only 2 fatal stabbings downtown on Friday. The
> >> second article refers to this first stabbing. "Old town" is the
> >> eastern half of downtown. Portland's traditional homeless shelters
> >> have been located there for as long as anyone here can remember.
> >>
> >> "Man fatally stabbed on Old Town street corner; suspect ‘swarmed’
> >> by Portland police nearby
> >> Updated: Oct. 03, 2022, 12:15 p.m.|Published: Sep. 30, 2022, 1:52 p.m.
> >>
> >> By Zane Sparling | The Oregonian/OregonLive
> >>
> >> A man was killed in a stabbing Friday on a street corner in Old Town
> >> after several men started arguing, Portland police and witnesses said.
> >>
> >> Officers arrived at West Burnside and Northwest Third Avenue about
> >> 11:30 a.m. and learned one man had died and another man had fled
> >> moments earlier, said police spokesperson Sgt. Kevin Allen.
> >>
> >> The sergeant dispatching the call hailed for all available patrol
> >> cars, Allen said. Dispatch records showed 15 units on scene.
> >>
> >> “Officers began a very quick investigation,†he said. “They were
> >> able to catch up with a suspect a couple of blocks to the north. …
> >> Detectives are not currently looking for any other suspects.â€
> >> [snip]
> >>
> >> https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2022/09/person-killed-in-stabbing-in-portlands-old-town-suspect-arrested-nearby.html
> >>
> >> "Two people stabbed to death in Old Town on Friday
> >> Jim Redden October 01 2022
> >> UPDATE: Police are also investigating a Sept. 30 shooting in Southeast
> >>
> >> Police are investigating two fatal stabbing in Old Town in nine hours
> >> on Friday.
> >>
> >> A Friday shooting that left a man in critical condition in Southeast
> >> Portland is also under investigation.
> >>
> >> In the most recent stabbing, the Portland Police Bureau said officers
> >> responded to Northwest Broadway and Northwest Couch Street just after
> >> 8:30 p.m. on Sept. 30. There they found an injured victim who was
> >> declared dead by arriving paramedics.
> >>
> >> Police announced Saturday morning that Kalil C. Ford, 20, was arrested
> >> and charged with murder in the second degree and unlawful use of a
> >> weapon.
> >>
> >> According to the police, this was the 71st homicide case for Portland
> >> in 2022.
> >>
> >> Before that, 11:28 a.m. on Friday, Central Precinct officers responded
> >> to a report of a stabbing at West Burnside Street and Northwest Third
> >> Avenue. When officers arrived, they located an injured victim.
> >> Paramedics determined the person was dead.
> >> [snip]
> >>
> >> https://pamplinmedia.com/pt/9-news/559343-447709-two-people-stabbed-to-death-in-old-town-on-friday
> >>
> >> We already have a "red flag" law. Like most gun control
> >> measures I wouldn't expect this one to do much to staunch the flow of
> >> blood. This one creates a lot of paperwork and treats gun buyers like
> >> criminals.
> >>
> >> My brother and I took a required hunter safety course when we
> >> were kids. I don't think we were helped or harmed by it. My experience
> >> is that gun safety instructors, as a group, are the most dangerous gun
> >> owners around. Ours demonstrated pulling the bullet out of a 22 shell
> >> and firing it by heating the primer in the classroom. Safety
> >> instructors are followed closely by the clowns who do a lot of
> >> preaching about gun safety without actually practicing what they
> >> preach. When I lived in Eugene a bunch of sheriff's deputies went out
> >> on a hunting trip with one of their dispatchers. She didn't come back
> >> because she ended up getting shot in the head. Those are the people
> >> who will be issuing the permits.
> >>
> >> https://ballotpedia.org/Oregon_Measure_114,_Changes_to_Firearm_Ownership_and_Purchase_Requirements_Initiative_(2022)
> >>
> >> "require permits issued by local law enforcement to buy a firearm;
> >> require photo ID, fingerprints, safety training, criminal background
> >> check, and fee payment to apply for a permit; and
> >> prohibit manufacturing, importing, purchasing, selling, possessing,
> >> using, or transferring ammunition magazines capable of holding more
> >> than 10 rounds and make violations a class A misdemeanor."
> >>
> >> I'll vote against it.
> >>
> >> TB
> >>
> > Would it be safe for me assume that all those words mean, "We've still
> > got dumbasses running the show out here."?
> >
> You name it. All we have is dumbasses running the show wherever
> you are. Your neck of the woods is a prime example. I think smart people
> avoid that bullshit because no matter how smart you are, you'll end up
> looking like a dumbass.
>
> TB

Wise words, for someone who enjoys being an iconoclast... I was a drop out on my hunter safety class, and waited a few months until I was 16, when the class wasn't required for us big boys....

film...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 4, 2022 at 1:27:50 PM UTC-7, Technobarbarian
> wrote:
>> On 10/4/2022 12:58 PM, bfh wrote:
>>> Technobarbarian wrote:
>>>> On 10/4/2022 9:33 AM, bfh wrote:
>>>>> Technobarbarian wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oregon voters appear poised to support new gun control
>>>>>> regulations: The Oregonian/OregonLive poll
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Published: Oct. 04, 2022, 6:00 a.m.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> By Beth Slovic | The Oregonian/OregonLive Oregonians
>>>>>> appear poised to adopt some of the strictest gun
>>>>>> regulations in the country, according to a new poll
>>>>>> commissioned by The Oregonian/OregonLive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A slight majority of likely Oregon voters polled, 51%,
>>>>>> said they would vote this November for Measure 114, which
>>>>>> would require a background check, safety training and a
>>>>>> permit to acquire a firearm. If approved, the measure
>>>>>> also would require that police maintain a firearms
>>>>>> database and would outlaw ammunition magazines that hold
>>>>>> more than 10 rounds. [snip]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2022/10/oregon-voters-appear-poised-to-support-new-gun-control-regulations-the-oregonianoregonlive-poll.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
    They break down the numbers by: party, gender, education,
>>>>>> residence, etc. It's about what you would expect. There's
>>>>>> more support for this in the Portland metropolitan area
>>>>>> than there is in the rest of the state. There are also
>>>>>> more people in the Portland metropolitan area than the
>>>>>> rest of the state.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Â Â Â Â Â This is potentially good news for our
>>>>>> Democratic candidate for governor. The polls show her
>>>>>> running neck and neck with our, more or less traditional,
>>>>>> Republican candidate. "Machine gun Betsy" is running a
>>>>>> distant third. Seriously, she does own one and she used
>>>>>> to be proud of the name and her perfect score with the
>>>>>> NRA. She's essentially running as a pro-choice
>>>>>> Republican. She's doing what her sponsors wanted her to
>>>>>> do. She's drawing off enough support to give the
>>>>>> Republican a chance. Personally, I don't trust anyone who
>>>>>> claims they can solve all our problems and that they are
>>>>>> the only one who can fix any of them. Both of the
>>>>>> Republicans are making this claim. According to their ads
>>>>>> they're running against our, unpopular with just about
>>>>>> everyone, outgoing governor, which would be a good trick
>>>>>> if they can manage it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TB
>>>>>>
>>>>> What do you personally think of 114?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> To give you some idea of what people in Portland regularly
>>>> see in the news. There were only 2 fatal stabbings downtown
>>>> on Friday. The second article refers to this first stabbing.
>>>> "Old town" is the eastern half of downtown. Portland's
>>>> traditional homeless shelters have been located there for as
>>>> long as anyone here can remember.
>>>>
>>>> "Man fatally stabbed on Old Town street corner; suspect
>>>> ‘swarmed’ by Portland police nearby Updated:
>>>> Oct. 03, 2022, 12:15 p.m.|Published: Sep. 30, 2022, 1:52
>>>> p.m.
>>>>
>>>> By Zane Sparling | The Oregonian/OregonLive
>>>>
>>>> A man was killed in a stabbing Friday on a street corner in
>>>> Old Town after several men started arguing, Portland police
>>>> and witnesses said.
>>>>
>>>> Officers arrived at West Burnside and Northwest Third Avenue
>>>> about 11:30 a.m. and learned one man had died and another man
>>>> had fled moments earlier, said police spokesperson Sgt. Kevin
>>>> Allen.
>>>>
>>>> The sergeant dispatching the call hailed for all available
>>>> patrol cars, Allen said. Dispatch records showed 15 units on
>>>> scene.
>>>>
>>>> “Officers began a very quick investigation,†he
>>>> said. “They were able to catch up with a suspect a
>>>> couple of blocks to the north. … Detectives are not
>>>> currently looking for any other suspects.†[snip]
>>>>
>>>> https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2022/09/person-killed-in-stabbing-in-portlands-old-town-suspect-arrested-nearby.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
"Two people stabbed to death in Old Town on Friday
>>>> Jim Redden October 01 2022 UPDATE: Police are also
>>>> investigating a Sept. 30 shooting in Southeast
>>>>
>>>> Police are investigating two fatal stabbing in Old Town in
>>>> nine hours on Friday.
>>>>
>>>> A Friday shooting that left a man in critical condition in
>>>> Southeast Portland is also under investigation.
>>>>
>>>> In the most recent stabbing, the Portland Police Bureau said
>>>> officers responded to Northwest Broadway and Northwest Couch
>>>> Street just after 8:30 p.m. on Sept. 30. There they found an
>>>> injured victim who was declared dead by arriving paramedics.
>>>>
>>>> Police announced Saturday morning that Kalil C. Ford, 20, was
>>>> arrested and charged with murder in the second degree and
>>>> unlawful use of a weapon.
>>>>
>>>> According to the police, this was the 71st homicide case for
>>>> Portland in 2022.
>>>>
>>>> Before that, 11:28 a.m. on Friday, Central Precinct officers
>>>> responded to a report of a stabbing at West Burnside Street
>>>> and Northwest Third Avenue. When officers arrived, they
>>>> located an injured victim. Paramedics determined the person
>>>> was dead. [snip]
>>>>
>>>> https://pamplinmedia.com/pt/9-news/559343-447709-two-people-stabbed-to-death-in-old-town-on-friday
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
We already have a "red flag" law. Like most gun control
>>>> measures I wouldn't expect this one to do much to staunch the
>>>> flow of blood. This one creates a lot of paperwork and treats
>>>> gun buyers like criminals.
>>>>
>>>> My brother and I took a required hunter safety course when
>>>> we were kids. I don't think we were helped or harmed by it.
>>>> My experience is that gun safety instructors, as a group, are
>>>> the most dangerous gun owners around. Ours demonstrated
>>>> pulling the bullet out of a 22 shell and firing it by heating
>>>> the primer in the classroom. Safety instructors are followed
>>>> closely by the clowns who do a lot of preaching about gun
>>>> safety without actually practicing what they preach. When I
>>>> lived in Eugene a bunch of sheriff's deputies went out on a
>>>> hunting trip with one of their dispatchers. She didn't come
>>>> back because she ended up getting shot in the head. Those are
>>>> the people who will be issuing the permits.
>>>>
>>>> https://ballotpedia.org/Oregon_Measure_114,_Changes_to_Firearm_Ownership_and_Purchase_Requirements_Initiative_(2022)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
"require permits issued by local law enforcement to buy a firearm;
>>>> require photo ID, fingerprints, safety training, criminal
>>>> background check, and fee payment to apply for a permit; and
>>>> prohibit manufacturing, importing, purchasing, selling,
>>>> possessing, using, or transferring ammunition magazines
>>>> capable of holding more than 10 rounds and make violations a
>>>> class A misdemeanor."
>>>>
>>>> I'll vote against it.
>>>>
>>>> TB
>>>>
>>> Would it be safe for me assume that all those words mean,
>>> "We've still got dumbasses running the show out here."?
>>>
>> You name it. All we have is dumbasses running the show wherever
>> you are. Your neck of the woods is a prime example. I think smart
>> people avoid that bullshit because no matter how smart you are,
>> you'll end up looking like a dumbass.
>>
>> TB
>
> Wise words, for someone who enjoys being an iconoclast... I was a
> drop out on my hunter safety class, and waited a few months until
> I was 16, when the class wasn't required for us big boys....
>
> Last Sat. the San Luis PD had a gun buy back program.

Technobarbarian <technobarbarian-ztopzpam@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 10/4/2022 9:33 AM, bfh wrote:
>> Technobarbarian wrote:
>>>
>>> Oregon voters appear poised to support new gun control regulations:
>>> The Oregonian/OregonLive poll
>>>
>>> Published: Oct. 04, 2022, 6:00 a.m.
>>>
>>> By Beth Slovic | The Oregonian/OregonLive
>>> Oregonians appear poised to adopt some of the strictest gun
>>> regulations in the country, according to a new poll commissioned by
>>> The Oregonian/OregonLive.
>>>
>>> A slight majority of likely Oregon voters polled, 51%, said they would
>>> vote this November for Measure 114, which would require a background
>>> check, safety training and a permit to acquire a firearm. If approved,
>>> the measure also would require that police maintain a firearms
>>> database and would outlaw ammunition magazines that hold more than 10
>>> rounds.
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>> https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2022/10/oregon-voters-appear-poised-to-support-new-gun-control-regulations-the-oregonianoregonlive-poll.html
>>>
>>>      They break down the numbers by: party, gender, education,
>>> residence, etc. It's about what you would expect. There's more support
>>> for this in the Portland metropolitan area than there is in the rest
>>> of the state. There are also more people in the Portland metropolitan
>>> area than the rest of the state.
>>>
>>>       This is potentially good news for our Democratic candidate for
>>> governor. The polls show her running neck and neck with our, more or
>>> less traditional, Republican candidate. "Machine gun Betsy" is running
>>> a distant third. Seriously, she does own one and she used to be proud
>>> of the name and her perfect score with the NRA. She's essentially
>>> running as a pro-choice Republican. She's doing what her sponsors
>>> wanted her to do. She's drawing off enough support to give the
>>> Republican a chance. Personally, I don't trust anyone who claims they
>>> can solve all our problems and that they are the only one who can fix
>>> any of them. Both of the Republicans are making this claim. According
>>> to their ads they're running against our, unpopular with just about
>>> everyone, outgoing governor, which would be a good trick if they can
>>> manage it.
>>>
>>> TB
>>>
>> What do you personally think of 114?
>>
>>
>
> To give you some idea of what people in Portland regularly see in
> the news. There were only 2 fatal stabbings downtown on Friday. The
> second article refers to this first stabbing. "Old town" is the eastern
> half of downtown. Portland's traditional homeless shelters have been
> located there for as long as anyone here can remember.
>
> "Man fatally stabbed on Old Town street corner; suspect ‘swarmed’ by
> Portland police nearby
> Updated: Oct. 03, 2022, 12:15 p.m.|Published: Sep. 30, 2022, 1:52 p.m.
>
> By Zane Sparling | The Oregonian/OregonLive
>
> A man was killed in a stabbing Friday on a street corner in Old Town
> after several men started arguing, Portland police and witnesses said.
>
> Officers arrived at West Burnside and Northwest Third Avenue about 11:30
> a.m. and learned one man had died and another man had fled moments
> earlier, said police spokesperson Sgt. Kevin Allen.
>
> The sergeant dispatching the call hailed for all available patrol cars,
> Allen said. Dispatch records showed 15 units on scene.
>
> “Officers began a very quick investigation,” he said. “They were able to
> catch up with a suspect a couple of blocks to the north. … Detectives
> are not currently looking for any other suspects.”
> [snip]
>
> https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2022/09/person-killed-in-stabbing-in-portlands-old-town-suspect-arrested-nearby.html
>
> "Two people stabbed to death in Old Town on Friday
> Jim Redden October 01 2022
> UPDATE: Police are also investigating a Sept. 30 shooting in Southeast
>
> Police are investigating two fatal stabbing in Old Town in nine hours on
> Friday.
>
> A Friday shooting that left a man in critical condition in Southeast
> Portland is also under investigation.
>
> In the most recent stabbing, the Portland Police Bureau said officers
> responded to Northwest Broadway and Northwest Couch Street just after
> 8:30 p.m. on Sept. 30. There they found an injured victim who was
> declared dead by arriving paramedics.
>
> Police announced Saturday morning that Kalil C. Ford, 20, was arrested
> and charged with murder in the second degree and unlawful use of a weapon.
>
> According to the police, this was the 71st homicide case for Portland in
> 2022.
>
> Before that, 11:28 a.m. on Friday, Central Precinct officers responded
> to a report of a stabbing at West Burnside Street and Northwest Third
> Avenue. When officers arrived, they located an injured victim.
> Paramedics determined the person was dead.
> [snip]
>
> https://pamplinmedia.com/pt/9-news/559343-447709-two-people-stabbed-to-death-in-old-town-on-friday
>
> We already have a "red flag" law. Like most gun control measures
> I wouldn't expect this one to do much to staunch the flow of blood. This
> one creates a lot of paperwork and treats gun buyers like criminals.
>
> My brother and I took a required hunter safety course when we
> were kids. I don't think we were helped or harmed by it. My experience
> is that gun safety instructors, as a group, are the most dangerous gun
> owners around. Ours demonstrated pulling the bullet out of a 22 shell
> and firing it by heating the primer in the classroom. Safety instructors
> are followed closely by the clowns who do a lot of preaching about gun
> safety without actually practicing what they preach. When I lived in
> Eugene a bunch of sheriff's deputies went out on a hunting trip with one
> of their dispatchers. She didn't come back because she ended up getting
> shot in the head. Those are the people who will be issuing the permits.
>
> https://ballotpedia.org/Oregon_Measure_114,_Changes_to_Firearm_Ownership_and_Purchase_Requirements_Initiative_(2022)
>
> "require permits issued by local law enforcement to buy a firearm;
> require photo ID, fingerprints, safety training, criminal background
> check, and fee payment to apply for a permit; and
> prohibit manufacturing, importing, purchasing, selling, possessing,
> using, or transferring ammunition magazines capable of holding more than
> 10 rounds and make violations a class A misdemeanor."
>
> I'll vote against it.
>
> TB
>
>

What a $&@! wind bag.

--

On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 7:52:31 AM UTC-7, Technobarbarian wrote:
> On 10/4/2022 6:56 PM, film...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, October 4, 2022 at 1:27:50 PM UTC-7, Technobarbarian wrote:
> >> On 10/4/2022 12:58 PM, bfh wrote:
> >>> Technobarbarian wrote:
> >>>> On 10/4/2022 9:33 AM, bfh wrote:
> >>>>> Technobarbarian wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Oregon voters appear poised to support new gun control regulations:
> >>>>>> The Oregonian/OregonLive poll
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Published: Oct. 04, 2022, 6:00 a.m.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> By Beth Slovic | The Oregonian/OregonLive
> >>>>>> Oregonians appear poised to adopt some of the strictest gun
> >>>>>> regulations in the country, according to a new poll commissioned by
> >>>>>> The Oregonian/OregonLive.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> A slight majority of likely Oregon voters polled, 51%, said they
> >>>>>> would vote this November for Measure 114, which would require a
> >>>>>> background check, safety training and a permit to acquire a firearm.
> >>>>>> If approved, the measure also would require that police maintain a
> >>>>>> firearms database and would outlaw ammunition magazines that hold
> >>>>>> more than 10 rounds.
> >>>>>> [snip]
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2022/10/oregon-voters-appear-poised-to-support-new-gun-control-regulations-the-oregonianoregonlive-poll.html
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Â Â Â Â They break down the numbers by: party, gender, education,
> >>>>>> residence, etc. It's about what you would expect. There's more
> >>>>>> support for this in the Portland metropolitan area than there is in
> >>>>>> the rest of the state. There are also more people in the Portland
> >>>>>> metropolitan area than the rest of the state.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Â Â Â Â Â This is potentially good news for our Democratic
> >>>>>> candidate for governor. The polls show her running neck and neck
> >>>>>> with our, more or less traditional, Republican candidate. "Machine
> >>>>>> gun Betsy" is running a distant third. Seriously, she does own one
> >>>>>> and she used to be proud of the name and her perfect score with the
> >>>>>> NRA. She's essentially running as a pro-choice Republican. She's
> >>>>>> doing what her sponsors wanted her to do. She's drawing off enough
> >>>>>> support to give the Republican a chance. Personally, I don't trust
> >>>>>> anyone who claims they can solve all our problems and that they are
> >>>>>> the only one who can fix any of them. Both of the Republicans are
> >>>>>> making this claim. According to their ads they're running against
> >>>>>> our, unpopular with just about everyone, outgoing governor, which
> >>>>>> would be a good trick if they can manage it.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> TB
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> What do you personally think of 114?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> To give you some idea of what people in Portland regularly see
> >>>> in the news. There were only 2 fatal stabbings downtown on Friday. The
> >>>> second article refers to this first stabbing. "Old town" is the
> >>>> eastern half of downtown. Portland's traditional homeless shelters
> >>>> have been located there for as long as anyone here can remember.
> >>>>
> >>>> "Man fatally stabbed on Old Town street corner; suspect ‘swarmed’
> >>>> by Portland police nearby
> >>>> Updated: Oct. 03, 2022, 12:15 p.m.|Published: Sep. 30, 2022, 1:52 p.m.
> >>>>
> >>>> By Zane Sparling | The Oregonian/OregonLive
> >>>>
> >>>> A man was killed in a stabbing Friday on a street corner in Old Town
> >>>> after several men started arguing, Portland police and witnesses said.
> >>>>
> >>>> Officers arrived at West Burnside and Northwest Third Avenue about
> >>>> 11:30 a.m. and learned one man had died and another man had fled
> >>>> moments earlier, said police spokesperson Sgt. Kevin Allen.
> >>>>
> >>>> The sergeant dispatching the call hailed for all available patrol
> >>>> cars, Allen said. Dispatch records showed 15 units on scene.
> >>>>
> >>>> “Officers began a very quick investigation,†he said. “They were
> >>>> able to catch up with a suspect a couple of blocks to the north. …
> >>>> Detectives are not currently looking for any other suspects.â€
> >>>> [snip]
> >>>>
> >>>> https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2022/09/person-killed-in-stabbing-in-portlands-old-town-suspect-arrested-nearby.html
> >>>>
> >>>> "Two people stabbed to death in Old Town on Friday
> >>>> Jim Redden October 01 2022
> >>>> UPDATE: Police are also investigating a Sept. 30 shooting in Southeast
> >>>>
> >>>> Police are investigating two fatal stabbing in Old Town in nine hours
> >>>> on Friday.
> >>>>
> >>>> A Friday shooting that left a man in critical condition in Southeast
> >>>> Portland is also under investigation.
> >>>>
> >>>> In the most recent stabbing, the Portland Police Bureau said officers
> >>>> responded to Northwest Broadway and Northwest Couch Street just after
> >>>> 8:30 p.m. on Sept. 30. There they found an injured victim who was
> >>>> declared dead by arriving paramedics.
> >>>>
> >>>> Police announced Saturday morning that Kalil C. Ford, 20, was arrested
> >>>> and charged with murder in the second degree and unlawful use of a
> >>>> weapon.
> >>>>
> >>>> According to the police, this was the 71st homicide case for Portland
> >>>> in 2022.
> >>>>
> >>>> Before that, 11:28 a.m. on Friday, Central Precinct officers responded
> >>>> to a report of a stabbing at West Burnside Street and Northwest Third
> >>>> Avenue. When officers arrived, they located an injured victim.
> >>>> Paramedics determined the person was dead.
> >>>> [snip]
> >>>>
> >>>> https://pamplinmedia.com/pt/9-news/559343-447709-two-people-stabbed-to-death-in-old-town-on-friday
> >>>>
> >>>> We already have a "red flag" law. Like most gun control
> >>>> measures I wouldn't expect this one to do much to staunch the flow of
> >>>> blood. This one creates a lot of paperwork and treats gun buyers like
> >>>> criminals.
> >>>>
> >>>> My brother and I took a required hunter safety course when we
> >>>> were kids. I don't think we were helped or harmed by it. My experience
> >>>> is that gun safety instructors, as a group, are the most dangerous gun
> >>>> owners around. Ours demonstrated pulling the bullet out of a 22 shell
> >>>> and firing it by heating the primer in the classroom. Safety
> >>>> instructors are followed closely by the clowns who do a lot of
> >>>> preaching about gun safety without actually practicing what they
> >>>> preach. When I lived in Eugene a bunch of sheriff's deputies went out
> >>>> on a hunting trip with one of their dispatchers. She didn't come back
> >>>> because she ended up getting shot in the head. Those are the people
> >>>> who will be issuing the permits.
> >>>>
> >>>> https://ballotpedia.org/Oregon_Measure_114,_Changes_to_Firearm_Ownership_and_Purchase_Requirements_Initiative_(2022)
> >>>>
> >>>> "require permits issued by local law enforcement to buy a firearm;
> >>>> require photo ID, fingerprints, safety training, criminal background
> >>>> check, and fee payment to apply for a permit; and
> >>>> prohibit manufacturing, importing, purchasing, selling, possessing,
> >>>> using, or transferring ammunition magazines capable of holding more
> >>>> than 10 rounds and make violations a class A misdemeanor."
> >>>>
> >>>> I'll vote against it.
> >>>>
> >>>> TB
> >>>>
> >>> Would it be safe for me assume that all those words mean, "We've still
> >>> got dumbasses running the show out here."?
> >>>
> >> You name it. All we have is dumbasses running the show wherever
> >> you are. Your neck of the woods is a prime example. I think smart people
> >> avoid that bullshit because no matter how smart you are, you'll end up
> >> looking like a dumbass.
> >>
> >> TB
> >
> > Wise words, for someone who enjoys being an iconoclast... I was a drop out on my hunter safety class, and waited a few months until I was 16, when the class wasn't required for us big boys....
> >
> > Last Sat. the San Luis PD had a gun buy back program. They were giving out $200, $100, and $50, grocery coupons ... By the time I got there at noon, the coupons were gone... They had collected 209 guns, including six assault rifles (?), several dozen pistols, etc... It was a dumbass form of Commiefornia "Gun Control", that should be no problem for pistol packin' bill..... BTW, I was there to "render my sword into plowshares", expecting the get a $100 coupon, for my Jennings .22, "Saturday Night Special", but they ran out of coupons, before I could diddle the City of SLO, with my gun trading shrewdness! HawHawHaw!
> >
> > Elmer Keith Jr.
> I end up wondering how many California communists used this boost
> to their budget as an opportunity to buy a better gun? Were you planning
> on spending your ill gotten gains on wine, women and song? Or were you
> just going to waste it? It sounds like you need to get your butt in gear
> earlier if you want to have any chance of beating your fellow citizens
> to this pot of gold. lol
>
> TB

film...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 7:52:31 AM UTC-7, Technobarbarian
> wrote:
>> On 10/4/2022 6:56 PM, film...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, October 4, 2022 at 1:27:50 PM UTC-7,
>>> Technobarbarian wrote:
>>>> On 10/4/2022 12:58 PM, bfh wrote:
>>>>> Technobarbarian wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/4/2022 9:33 AM, bfh wrote:
>>>>>>> Technobarbarian wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oregon voters appear poised to support new gun
>>>>>>>> control regulations: The Oregonian/OregonLive poll
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Published: Oct. 04, 2022, 6:00 a.m.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> By Beth Slovic | The Oregonian/OregonLive Oregonians
>>>>>>>> appear poised to adopt some of the strictest gun
>>>>>>>> regulations in the country, according to a new poll
>>>>>>>> commissioned by The Oregonian/OregonLive.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A slight majority of likely Oregon voters polled,
>>>>>>>> 51%, said they would vote this November for Measure
>>>>>>>> 114, which would require a background check, safety
>>>>>>>> training and a permit to acquire a firearm. If
>>>>>>>> approved, the measure also would require that police
>>>>>>>> maintain a firearms database and would outlaw
>>>>>>>> ammunition magazines that hold more than 10 rounds.
>>>>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2022/10/oregon-voters-appear-poised-to-support-new-gun-control-regulations-the-oregonianoregonlive-poll.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
    They break down the numbers by: party, gender, education,
>>>>>>>> residence, etc. It's about what you would expect.
>>>>>>>> There's more support for this in the Portland
>>>>>>>> metropolitan area than there is in the rest of the
>>>>>>>> state. There are also more people in the Portland
>>>>>>>> metropolitan area than the rest of the state.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Â Â Â Â Â This is potentially good news for our
>>>>>>>> Democratic candidate for governor. The polls show her
>>>>>>>> running neck and neck with our, more or less
>>>>>>>> traditional, Republican candidate. "Machine gun
>>>>>>>> Betsy" is running a distant third. Seriously, she
>>>>>>>> does own one and she used to be proud of the name and
>>>>>>>> her perfect score with the NRA. She's essentially
>>>>>>>> running as a pro-choice Republican. She's doing what
>>>>>>>> her sponsors wanted her to do. She's drawing off
>>>>>>>> enough support to give the Republican a chance.
>>>>>>>> Personally, I don't trust anyone who claims they can
>>>>>>>> solve all our problems and that they are the only one
>>>>>>>> who can fix any of them. Both of the Republicans are
>>>>>>>> making this claim. According to their ads they're
>>>>>>>> running against our, unpopular with just about
>>>>>>>> everyone, outgoing governor, which would be a good
>>>>>>>> trick if they can manage it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> TB
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What do you personally think of 114?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To give you some idea of what people in Portland
>>>>>> regularly see in the news. There were only 2 fatal
>>>>>> stabbings downtown on Friday. The second article refers
>>>>>> to this first stabbing. "Old town" is the eastern half of
>>>>>> downtown. Portland's traditional homeless shelters have
>>>>>> been located there for as long as anyone here can
>>>>>> remember.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Man fatally stabbed on Old Town street corner; suspect
>>>>>> ‘swarmed’ by Portland police nearby Updated:
>>>>>> Oct. 03, 2022, 12:15 p.m.|Published: Sep. 30, 2022, 1:52
>>>>>> p.m.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> By Zane Sparling | The Oregonian/OregonLive
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A man was killed in a stabbing Friday on a street corner
>>>>>> in Old Town after several men started arguing, Portland
>>>>>> police and witnesses said.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Officers arrived at West Burnside and Northwest Third
>>>>>> Avenue about 11:30 a.m. and learned one man had died and
>>>>>> another man had fled moments earlier, said police
>>>>>> spokesperson Sgt. Kevin Allen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The sergeant dispatching the call hailed for all
>>>>>> available patrol cars, Allen said. Dispatch records
>>>>>> showed 15 units on scene.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> “Officers began a very quick investigation,†he
>>>>>> said. “They were able to catch up with a suspect a
>>>>>> couple of blocks to the north. … Detectives are not
>>>>>> currently looking for any other suspects.†[snip]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2022/09/person-killed-in-stabbing-in-portlands-old-town-suspect-arrested-nearby.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
"Two people stabbed to death in Old Town on Friday
>>>>>> Jim Redden October 01 2022 UPDATE: Police are also
>>>>>> investigating a Sept. 30 shooting in Southeast
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Police are investigating two fatal stabbing in Old Town
>>>>>> in nine hours on Friday.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A Friday shooting that left a man in critical condition
>>>>>> in Southeast Portland is also under investigation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the most recent stabbing, the Portland Police Bureau
>>>>>> said officers responded to Northwest Broadway and
>>>>>> Northwest Couch Street just after 8:30 p.m. on Sept. 30.
>>>>>> There they found an injured victim who was declared dead
>>>>>> by arriving paramedics.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Police announced Saturday morning that Kalil C. Ford, 20,
>>>>>> was arrested and charged with murder in the second degree
>>>>>> and unlawful use of a weapon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> According to the police, this was the 71st homicide case
>>>>>> for Portland in 2022.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Before that, 11:28 a.m. on Friday, Central Precinct
>>>>>> officers responded to a report of a stabbing at West
>>>>>> Burnside Street and Northwest Third Avenue. When officers
>>>>>> arrived, they located an injured victim. Paramedics
>>>>>> determined the person was dead. [snip]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://pamplinmedia.com/pt/9-news/559343-447709-two-people-stabbed-to-death-in-old-town-on-friday
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
We already have a "red flag" law. Like most gun control
>>>>>> measures I wouldn't expect this one to do much to staunch
>>>>>> the flow of blood. This one creates a lot of paperwork
>>>>>> and treats gun buyers like criminals.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My brother and I took a required hunter safety course
>>>>>> when we were kids. I don't think we were helped or harmed
>>>>>> by it. My experience is that gun safety instructors, as a
>>>>>> group, are the most dangerous gun owners around. Ours
>>>>>> demonstrated pulling the bullet out of a 22 shell and
>>>>>> firing it by heating the primer in the classroom. Safety
>>>>>> instructors are followed closely by the clowns who do a
>>>>>> lot of preaching about gun safety without actually
>>>>>> practicing what they preach. When I lived in Eugene a
>>>>>> bunch of sheriff's deputies went out on a hunting trip
>>>>>> with one of their dispatchers. She didn't come back
>>>>>> because she ended up getting shot in the head. Those are
>>>>>> the people who will be issuing the permits.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://ballotpedia.org/Oregon_Measure_114,_Changes_to_Firearm_Ownership_and_Purchase_Requirements_Initiative_(2022)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
"require permits issued by local law enforcement to buy a firearm;
>>>>>> require photo ID, fingerprints, safety training, criminal
>>>>>> background check, and fee payment to apply for a permit;
>>>>>> and prohibit manufacturing, importing, purchasing,
>>>>>> selling, possessing, using, or transferring ammunition
>>>>>> magazines capable of holding more than 10 rounds and make
>>>>>> violations a class A misdemeanor."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll vote against it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TB
>>>>>>
>>>>> Would it be safe for me assume that all those words mean,
>>>>> "We've still got dumbasses running the show out here."?
>>>>>
>>>> You name it. All we have is dumbasses running the show
>>>> wherever you are. Your neck of the woods is a prime example.
>>>> I think smart people avoid that bullshit because no matter
>>>> how smart you are, you'll end up looking like a dumbass.
>>>>
>>>> TB
>>>
>>> Wise words, for someone who enjoys being an iconoclast... I was
>>> a drop out on my hunter safety class, and waited a few months
>>> until I was 16, when the class wasn't required for us big
>>> boys....
>>>
>>> Last Sat. the San Luis PD had a gun buy back program. They were
>>> giving out $200, $100, and $50, grocery coupons ... By the time
>>> I got there at noon, the coupons were gone... They had
>>> collected 209 guns, including six assault rifles (?), several
>>> dozen pistols, etc... It was a dumbass form of Commiefornia
>>> "Gun Control", that should be no problem for pistol packin'
>>> bill.... BTW, I was there to "render my sword into plowshares",
>>> expecting the get a $100 coupon, for my Jennings .22, "Saturday
>>> Night Special", but they ran out of coupons, before I could
>>> diddle the City of SLO, with my gun trading shrewdness!
>>> HawHawHaw!
>>>
>>> Elmer Keith Jr.
>> I end up wondering how many California communists used this
>> boost to their budget as an opportunity to buy a better gun? Were
>> you planning on spending your ill gotten gains on wine, women and
>> song? Or were you just going to waste it? It sounds like you need
>> to get your butt in gear earlier if you want to have any chance
>> of beating your fellow citizens to this pot of gold. lol
>>
>> TB
>
> They weren't handing out "real money", just grocery coupons, so
> women, song, and gun upgrades were not possible, even had I
> arisen earlier.... I'm not sure if the coupons would work for
> alcohol at the super market? They might have been like "food
> stamps", and no good for non-edibles? Since I like to sleep late,
> the coupon particulars remain uncertain.... I was an example of
> "snooze, & you loose...."
>
> Bill Jordan Jr.
>