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 by: T - Tue, 1 Jun 2021 07:18 UTC

Hi All,

My Blackberry plants are three years old now (and
still no flowers or fruit). Each spring, the branches
go green with leaves, but some don't. On the dead
ones, do I let mother nature take its cource and
them fall off naturally or should I prune the dead
ones?

Many thanks,
-T

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Subject: Re: Blackberry prune questin
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 by: Snag - Tue, 1 Jun 2021 11:42 UTC

On 6/1/2021 2:18 AM, T wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> My Blackberry plants are three years old now (and
> still no flowers or fruit).  Each spring, the branches
> go green with leaves, but some don't.  On the dead
> ones, do I let mother nature take its cource and
> them fall off naturally or should I prune the dead
> ones?
>
> Many thanks,
> -T

If these are "wild" blackberries , they fruit on last year's growth .
Those canes die after fruiting and can be pruned - in fact they must be
pruned or you end up with a big mess of dead canes in the way of picking
any fruit . And I have the scars to prove it , that's why I planted
thornless .
--
Snag
Race only matters to racists ...

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 by: songbird - Tue, 1 Jun 2021 14:06 UTC

T wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> My Blackberry plants are three years old now (and
> still no flowers or fruit). Each spring, the branches
> go green with leaves, but some don't. On the dead
> ones, do I let mother nature take its cource and
> them fall off naturally or should I prune the dead
> ones?

in an arid environment dead material is valuable as
mulch and protection against the wind drying things out.

thorny mulch may not be the best material but when
nothing else is available it would have to do.

around here, as much as i can i get things buried
once i know they're done. that way the worms and
fungi can get to work on them asap.

songbird

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 by: T - Tue, 1 Jun 2021 22:32 UTC

On 6/1/21 4:42 AM, Snag wrote:
> On 6/1/2021 2:18 AM, T wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> My Blackberry plants are three years old now (and
>> still no flowers or fruit).  Each spring, the branches
>> go green with leaves, but some don't.  On the dead
>> ones, do I let mother nature take its cource and
>> them fall off naturally or should I prune the dead
>> ones?
>>
>> Many thanks,
>> -T
>
>   If these are "wild" blackberries , they fruit on last year's growth .
> Those canes die after fruiting and can be pruned - in fact they must be
> pruned or you end up with a big mess of dead canes in the way of picking
> any fruit . And I have the scars to prove it , that's why I planted
> thornless .

They are Arapaho Blackberries.

Pruned they are!

I have new growth this year and some old growth
on old canes. Have no seen any flowers yet.

Canes. I never knew what those branches were
called.

Thank you!

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 by: Snag - Wed, 2 Jun 2021 00:25 UTC

On 6/1/2021 9:06 AM, songbird wrote:
> T wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> My Blackberry plants are three years old now (and
>> still no flowers or fruit). Each spring, the branches
>> go green with leaves, but some don't. On the dead
>> ones, do I let mother nature take its cource and
>> them fall off naturally or should I prune the dead
>> ones?
>
> in an arid environment dead material is valuable as
> mulch and protection against the wind drying things out.
>
> thorny mulch may not be the best material but when
> nothing else is available it would have to do.
>
> around here, as much as i can i get things buried
> once i know they're done. that way the worms and
> fungi can get to work on them asap.
>
>
> songbird
>

His Arapaho's are thornless - I have some in my berry patch .
--
Snag
Race only matters to racists ...

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 by: T - Wed, 2 Jun 2021 01:18 UTC

On 6/1/21 5:25 PM, Snag wrote:
>
>   His Arapaho's are thornless - I have some in my berry patch .

How many years did it take yours to fruit?

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 by: Snag - Wed, 2 Jun 2021 03:20 UTC

On 6/1/2021 8:18 PM, T wrote:
> On 6/1/21 5:25 PM, Snag wrote:
>>
>>    His Arapaho's are thornless - I have some in my berry patch .
>
> How many years did it take yours to fruit?
>

They haven't yet ... but they should next spring . Two of our six were
transplanted last spring , 2 were new then - those 4 plants were very
stressed last winter , all top growth was killed by subzero temps . The
remaining 2 were new this spring , cold temps and too much rain have
been a problem .
--
Snag
Race only matters to racists ...

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 by: T - Wed, 2 Jun 2021 03:24 UTC

On 6/1/21 8:20 PM, Snag wrote:
> On 6/1/2021 8:18 PM, T wrote:
>> On 6/1/21 5:25 PM, Snag wrote:
>>>
>>>    His Arapaho's are thornless - I have some in my berry patch .
>>
>> How many years did it take yours to fruit?
>>
>
> They haven't yet ... but they should next spring . Two of our six were
> transplanted last spring , 2 were new then - those 4 plants were very
> stressed last winter , all top growth was killed by subzero temps . The
> remaining 2 were new this spring , cold temps and too much rain have
> been a problem .

One of my four is all total new growth. All four
are on their third year. I made sure they (everyone)
was watered in the winter.

All three on my Choke Berries are fine. And my
Goji and loving life. My back hurts just thinking
of picking them. I have a months or so before
that starts. Chock's are much easier to pick:
one once in the fall.

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 by: Boron Elgar - Wed, 2 Jun 2021 11:54 UTC

On Tue, 1 Jun 2021 22:20:04 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

>On 6/1/2021 8:18 PM, T wrote:
>> On 6/1/21 5:25 PM, Snag wrote:
>>>
>>>    His Arapaho's are thornless - I have some in my berry patch .
>>
>> How many years did it take yours to fruit?
>>
>
>They haven't yet ... but they should next spring . Two of our six were
>transplanted last spring , 2 were new then - those 4 plants were very
>stressed last winter , all top growth was killed by subzero temps . The
>remaining 2 were new this spring , cold temps and too much rain have
>been a problem .

I need to try some other variety of thornless- problem is, I do not
recall what I have, nor did I by the time they started to fruit a year
or 3 after they went in.

They fruit well enough, look great, but they do not have the deep,
wonderful flavor of the scratch-your-eyes-out old ones I spent so long
getting rid of.

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 by: songbird - Wed, 2 Jun 2021 12:49 UTC

Boron Elgar wrote:
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> I need to try some other variety of thornless- problem is, I do not
> recall what I have, nor did I by the time they started to fruit a year
> or 3 after they went in.
>
> They fruit well enough, look great, but they do not have the deep,
> wonderful flavor of the scratch-your-eyes-out old ones I spent so long
> getting rid of.

there are a few things i'm willing to just buy at the store.
raspberry seedless jam and blackberry seedless jam. i like
both of them but i don't want them very often and i sure don't
want anything around here like a blackberry patch having seen
what they are like out west.

acres and acres of blackberry brambles is enough to give me
nightmares.

songbird

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 by: Boron Elgar - Wed, 2 Jun 2021 15:12 UTC

On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 08:49:18 -0400, songbird <songbird@anthive.com>
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>Boron Elgar wrote:
>...
>> I need to try some other variety of thornless- problem is, I do not
>> recall what I have, nor did I by the time they started to fruit a year
>> or 3 after they went in.
>>
>> They fruit well enough, look great, but they do not have the deep,
>> wonderful flavor of the scratch-your-eyes-out old ones I spent so long
>> getting rid of.
>
> there are a few things i'm willing to just buy at the store.
>raspberry seedless jam and blackberry seedless jam. i like
>both of them but i don't want them very often and i sure don't
>want anything around here like a blackberry patch having seen
>what they are like out west.
>
> acres and acres of blackberry brambles is enough to give me
>nightmares.
>
>
> songbird

Well understood.

I used to have a wild raspberry of some sort. The stems were more
thorn than stem. Torturous things.The berries were enclosed until they
were almost ripe, but the fruit was so appealing to the wildlife, that
I never got any. Been digging it out for 25 years.

The mean things looked a bit like this, plant wise, though the berries
differed.

https://www.edibleeastend.com/2014/07/26/wild-raspberry-season/

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 by: Bob F - Wed, 2 Jun 2021 18:24 UTC

On 6/2/2021 5:49 AM, songbird wrote:
> Boron Elgar wrote:
> ...
>> I need to try some other variety of thornless- problem is, I do not
>> recall what I have, nor did I by the time they started to fruit a year
>> or 3 after they went in.
>>
>> They fruit well enough, look great, but they do not have the deep,
>> wonderful flavor of the scratch-your-eyes-out old ones I spent so long
>> getting rid of.
>
> there are a few things i'm willing to just buy at the store.
> raspberry seedless jam and blackberry seedless jam. i like
> both of them but i don't want them very often and i sure don't
> want anything around here like a blackberry patch having seen
> what they are like out west.
>
> acres and acres of blackberry brambles is enough to give me
> nightmares.
>

When I first moved to Seattle, I loved to go out and pick several
gallons each year. A couple pairs of jeans and an old leather coat, and
I was ready to go picking.

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Bob F wrote:
....
> When I first moved to Seattle, I loved to go out and pick several
> gallons each year. A couple pairs of jeans and an old leather coat, and
> I was ready to go picking.

the last time i picked berries in the woods it was thimbleberries
and i ended up stepping on a rock that gave way and dumped my
container on the hillside. and the bad thing about that was that i
don't really much like thimbleberries as compared to raspberries,
blueberries, blackberries, etc. heh. :)

songbird

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 by: Boron Elgar - Thu, 3 Jun 2021 00:04 UTC

On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 19:19:02 -0400, songbird <songbird@anthive.com>
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>Bob F wrote:
>...
>> When I first moved to Seattle, I loved to go out and pick several
>> gallons each year. A couple pairs of jeans and an old leather coat, and
>> I was ready to go picking.
>
> the last time i picked berries in the woods it was thimbleberries
>and i ended up stepping on a rock that gave way and dumped my
>container on the hillside. and the bad thing about that was that i
>don't really much like thimbleberries as compared to raspberries,
>blueberries, blackberries, etc. heh. :)
>
>
> songbird

Thimbleberries! Shades of growing up in Michigan.

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 by: Bob F - Thu, 3 Jun 2021 00:29 UTC

On 6/2/2021 4:19 PM, songbird wrote:
> Bob F wrote:
> ...
>> When I first moved to Seattle, I loved to go out and pick several
>> gallons each year. A couple pairs of jeans and an old leather coat, and
>> I was ready to go picking.
>
> the last time i picked berries in the woods it was thimbleberries
> and i ended up stepping on a rock that gave way and dumped my
> container on the hillside. and the bad thing about that was that i
> don't really much like thimbleberries as compared to raspberries,
> blueberries, blackberries, etc. heh. :)
>
Personally, I love thimble berries. They are a close second to
raspberries, but a lot harder to find many here.

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 by: T - Thu, 3 Jun 2021 01:22 UTC

On 6/2/21 5:29 PM, Bob F wrote:
> On 6/2/2021 4:19 PM, songbird wrote:
>> Bob F wrote:
>> ...
>>> When I first moved to Seattle, I loved to go out and pick several
>>> gallons each year. A couple pairs of jeans and an old leather coat, and
>>> I was ready to go picking.
>>
>>    the last time i picked berries in the woods it was thimbleberries
>> and i ended up stepping on a rock that gave way and dumped my
>> container on the hillside.  and the bad thing about that was that i
>> don't really much like thimbleberries as compared to raspberries,
>> blueberries, blackberries, etc.  heh.  :)
>>
> Personally, I love thimble berries. They are a close second to
> raspberries, but a lot harder to find many here.

Do they have seeds and thorns?

https://morningchores.com/growing-thimbleberries/
https://nativefoodsnursery.com/thimbleberry/

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Bob F wrote:
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> Personally, I love thimble berries. They are a close second to
> raspberries, but a lot harder to find many here.

they are too cloyingly sweet to me. i like things more
on the tart side.

songbird

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 by: songbird - Thu, 3 Jun 2021 03:04 UTC

T wrote:
....thimbleberries...
> Do they have seeds and thorns?
>
>
> https://morningchores.com/growing-thimbleberries/
> https://nativefoodsnursery.com/thimbleberry/

seeds yes. thorns no.

songbird

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 by: T - Thu, 3 Jun 2021 03:51 UTC

On 6/2/21 8:04 PM, songbird wrote:
> T wrote:
> ...thimbleberries...
>> Do they have seeds and thorns?
>>
>>
>> https://morningchores.com/growing-thimbleberries/
>> https://nativefoodsnursery.com/thimbleberry/
>
> seeds yes. thorns no.
>
>
> songbird
>

Big seeds like regular blackberries and raspberries
or little, unnoticeable seeds like Arapaho Blackberries?

They grow in zone 3-7 so idea for me. And since they
are wild, they will not have been hybridized for
unnatural levels of carbs. Double idea.

And since I am Keto, I can taste much lower levels
of sweetness, which is why I adore chokeberries and
non-ketos hate (choke on) them

:-)

-T

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 by: songbird - Thu, 3 Jun 2021 11:10 UTC

T wrote:
....thimbleberries...
> Big seeds like regular blackberries and raspberries
> or little, unnoticeable seeds like Arapaho Blackberries?

seedy.

> They grow in zone 3-7 so idea for me. And since they
> are wild, they will not have been hybridized for
> unnatural levels of carbs. Double idea.

you missed my comment about them being cloyingly sweet.

i doubt they will be happy in an arid environment.
they're normally found in woodlands. the can tolerate
full sun, but i don't know that they'd tolerate full
arid sun and high temperature days.

> And since I am Keto, I can taste much lower levels
> of sweetness, which is why I adore chokeberries and
> non-ketos hate (choke on) them
>
>:-)

songbird

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 by: Bob F - Thu, 3 Jun 2021 14:40 UTC

On 6/3/2021 4:10 AM, songbird wrote:
> T wrote:
> ...thimbleberries...
>> Big seeds like regular blackberries and raspberries
>> or little, unnoticeable seeds like Arapaho Blackberries?
>
> seedy.
>
>
>> They grow in zone 3-7 so idea for me. And since they
>> are wild, they will not have been hybridized for
>> unnatural levels of carbs. Double idea.
>
> you missed my comment about them being cloyingly sweet.
>
> i doubt they will be happy in an arid environment.
> they're normally found in woodlands. the can tolerate
> full sun, but i don't know that they'd tolerate full
> arid sun and high temperature days.

The ones I find (wild) seem to have a pretty short season as far as
harvesting of fruit. They almost always seem to be in small open areas
in the woods.

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 by: songbird - Thu, 3 Jun 2021 14:53 UTC

Bob F wrote:
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> The ones I find (wild) seem to have a pretty short season as far as
> harvesting of fruit. They almost always seem to be in small open areas
> in the woods.

yes, along the openings edges and along rivers/creeks and such
that was the normal place to find them.

songbird

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