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Monday, April 24, 2023, A Date Which Will Live in Media Fame or Infamy:

Tucker Carlson notably (but quite unceremoniously) out at Fox News Channel, and Don Lemon's long-considered (but alas, long-deferred) firing by CNN.

Not often some tandem set of events--media or otherwise--gives both the rightists AND the leftists something to cheer about!

BRYAN STYBLE/Florida

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 by: radioacti...@gmail.c - Mon, 24 Apr 2023 19:17 UTC

For clarity's* sake, I should have edited out the final S from my headline; sorry.

STYBLE/Florida
============* You may remember when every student in journalism school or even a high school English comp class would hear some variation of this line: "There are only three things that matter in writing: clarity, clarity and clarity." (That old--but nowadays more than ever vital--saw went out the window a good while ago, of course...and nowadays has been completely obliterated by all the preferred-pronoun nonsense.

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 by: radioacti...@gmail.c - Mon, 24 Apr 2023 19:32 UTC

Also in the interest of clarity, I should have emphasized that the "long-considered" firing of Lemon was long considered by CNN brass, reportedly.

(That is, had I all along been a CNN suit, I'd have "considered" firing Lemon probably after his first few broadcasts. After all, the guy's no Einstein, or even a Larry King. (Never EVER forget that Lemon famously theorized on-air* that the missing Malaysian jetliner flew into not the Indian Ocean, but rather a black hole.)

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============* Lemon should have been fired for such profound stupidity even if he'd merely uttered it to some bartender, rather than over "The Most Trusted Name in News" CNN.

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radioacti...@gmail.com <radioactiveseattle@gmail.com> wrote:

>Monday, April 24, 2023, A Date Which Will Live in Media Fame or Infamy:

>Tucker Carlson notably (but quite unceremoniously) out at Fox News
>Channel, and Don Lemon's long-considered (but alas, long-deferred)
>firing by CNN.

>Not often some tandem set of events--media or otherwise--gives both the
>rightists AND the leftists something to cheer about!

>BRYAN STYBLE/Florida

What is there to cheer about? I want straight news. I can't get it on
either Fox News nor CNN. It will all continue to suck.

I watch C-SPAN.

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 by: Sanford - Mon, 24 Apr 2023 22:52 UTC

On 4/24/2023 3:02 PM, radioacti...@gmail.com wrote:
> Monday, April 24, 2023, A Date Which Will Live in Media Fame or Infamy:
>
> Tucker Carlson notably (but quite unceremoniously) out at Fox News Channel, and Don Lemon's long-considered (but alas, long-deferred) firing by CNN.
>
> Not often some tandem set of events--media or otherwise--gives both the rightists AND the leftists something to cheer about!
>
> BRYAN STYBLE/Florida

Tucker Carlson Memes (pro and con)

https://twitter.com/ManleySanford/status/1650629576547000323

https://twitter.com/ManleySanford/status/1650624810886615042

https://twitter.com/ManleySanford/status/1650552397062713382

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Sanford
Strangely enough, it means
the way across the river.

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On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 12:02:22 PM UTC-7, radioacti...@gmail.com wrote:
> Monday, April 24, 2023, A Date Which Will Live in Media Fame or Infamy:
>Don Lemon's long-considered (but alas, long-deferred) firing by CNN.
>

The speculation is that Lemon was fired for his comments about Haley. But CNN has not clarified just why Lemon was fired.
Lemon has been with CNN for a long time and CNN needs to do better than the vague, "we have parted ways" on why he was suddenly let go. If it was for low ratings, fine, just say that. But if we take CNN's statement at face value, it had nothing to do with the comments or his behavior. But clearly Lemon thinks larger issues were at play.

His comments were arguably, crudely phrased, but Lemon was factually correct on when a woman is considered in her prime.

"Nikki Haley isn’t in her prime, sorry. A woman is considered to be in their prime in 20s and 30s and maybe 40s,” Lemon said on the air of the 51-year-old Haley.

________________________________________________________________

Lemon, who had hosted “CNN This Morning” as scheduled, said his agent informed him about his termination Monday morning. Lemon said he was “stunned” by the news.

“I would have thought that someone in management would have had the decency to tell me directly,” Lemon, 57, said in a Twitter post. “At no time was I ever given any indication that I would not be able to continue to do the work I have loved at this network.”

Lemon added that “it is clear that there are some larger issues at play,” without offering more details.

Shortly after Lemon first tweeted that he was fired, the network’s CEO, Chris Licht, said the anchor and CNN “parted ways.”

“Don will forever be a part of the CNN family, and we thank him for his contributions over the past 17 years,” the network said in a statement. “We wish him well and will be cheering him on in his future endeavors.”

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 by: David Carson - Tue, 25 Apr 2023 13:12 UTC

On Mon, 24 Apr 2023 22:51:54 -0700 (PDT), Raul TW
<raultenniswarehouse@gmail.com> wrote:

>His comments were arguably, crudely phrased, but Lemon was factually correct on when a woman is considered in her prime.

It's impossible to be factually correct about something so vague and
rooted in opinion. As his co-anchor repeatedly asked, "prime for what?"
Prime for winning an Olympic medal or a beauty pageant, or having a baby?
Or prime for writing a book, running a business, or holding elected
office? One could easily argue that a person doesn't reach his or her
prime for many things until they are past 40. It all depends on what she
is being expecting to do. For Lemon, at age 57, to assert that there is an
all-purpose prime age for women, and it is some twenty years younger than
he is, is not only implicitly misogynistic, it's stupid. "Arguably,
crudely phrased" doesn't even scratch the surface of how dumb and
offensive it was.

>"Nikki Haley isn’t in her prime, sorry. A woman is considered to be in their prime in 20s and 30s and maybe 40s,” Lemon said on the air of the 51-year-old Haley.

"Prime for what?"

David Carson
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 by: J.D. Baldwin - Tue, 25 Apr 2023 14:50 UTC

In the previous article, radioacti...@gmail.com
<radioactiveseattle@gmail.com> wrote:
> Tucker Carlson notably (but quite unceremoniously) out at Fox News
> Channel, and Don Lemon's long-considered (but alas, long-deferred)
> firing by CNN.
>
> Not often some tandem set of events--media or otherwise--gives both
> the rightists AND the leftists something to cheer about!

I don't care at all about either of these personalities, and I don't
care much about CNN or Fox generally. I can't recall the last time I
sat down in front of either of those channels for the purpose of
learning something about the world. I am sure it's 25+ years ago.

(Fox had a pretty good website for a while there; the only major news
network site that was at all usable. But that ship sailed more than a
decade ago, too.)

That said: these two things are not the same. Don Lemon was a
credibility liability to CNN for multiple reasons, and he's by all
reports just a complete shit human being to work with. I'm sure he
won't miss any meals, but he isn't very likely to be "rich" in the
sense that most people mean that term. This is a very bad development
for him. (I did get a little schadenfreude kick out of his going out
with just one last lie. That was amusing.)

Carlson, though, has more money than God. Some estimates say $30
million, some say twice that. And he had a contract with Fox, which
presumably will be paid off. (Lemon was just an employee and he might
get some kind of severance, though I bet his firing was for cause, so
maybe not.)

Also, no one is going to tune in to the Don Lemon Show on some crappy
streaming platform. But if Carlson goes to Newsmax, its followers
will explode overnight. Same for any other now-obscure streaming
platform he chooses to grace. He has a big and loyal following. If
he wants to keep making $5 million a year, he won't have much trouble
doing so. If he publishes a book, it will sell well enough to buy him
an Olympic-sized swimming pool for his summer home in Vancouver or
whatever.

These two events are in no way symmetrical or equivalent. Lemon's
public temper tantrum is evidence of that.
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 by: radioacti...@gmail.c - Thu, 27 Apr 2023 07:06 UTC

Now I'm even more confused than usual; this video that Carlson released--THAT'S the correct term, not that now-ubiquitously-employed-but-blasted* verb "dropped"!--purports to explain at least some of this, but not only says nuttin', but even alleges that the mainstream media are consciously avoiding “undeniably big topics” that “define our future,”, e.g., “war, civil liberties, emerging science, demographic change, corporate power” and “natural resources.”

Huh? I hear ALL of those issues being argued about on Fox, CNN, Newsmax, MSNBC (and probably over on Hooterville local cable as well) all the time!

Now, it's true that the so-called Great Replacement and certain racial realities are selectively covered, downplayed or even suppressed by the cable and network news operations, but most of these ideas get at least SOME coverage. (And the most verbotin points-of-view WOULD be raised MUCH more often if viewer call-ins would still be allowed on cable, as they are on call-in radio broadcasts. (It's true that even call-in radio has been for over a decade phasing out caller-input in favor of droning-on guests and hosts' self-indulgent monologuing, but the better radio hosts still field listener input to a decent degree.**)

Carlson is talking much too vaguely here, though perhaps because we're now only a couple or three days removed from his Fox severance.

But again, is this society suffering from a thirst for serious media political discussion? This slow-motion Maoist revolution the left has been so successfully engineering in the wake of the sequential arrest-resisting demises of Travon Martin in suburban Orlando, Michael Brown in suburban St. Louis and then St. George of Floyd in The Twin Cities may IN TIME ultimately result in a shuttering of meaningful political debate--the left nowadays sure seems on a roll unequalled since that of Lenin & Co. in 1917--but Carlson seems to think we're ALREADY at that Orwellian point, which for my utterly inconsequential part, I just don't see as yet.

BRYAN STYBLE/Florida
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* And arguably vulgar, which I bet is why the young folk so favor it to the long-accepted "released".
** Although world-class blowhard Dennis Prager--who endlessly brags how many callers he's aired over the decades--devotes at least as much airtime to TALKING about taking calls*** ("Boy, what a great line-up of callers I have on the board here...") while in fact being all but severely allergic to actually AIRING caller input, at least of the non-laudatory sort.
*** Or worse, doing what Prager cynically (and inaccurately!) terms "summarizing" calls, without affording the caller even a second of his show's airtime. (When doing so, Prager's not "summarizing" what the caller told his screener, but rather merely PARROTING what the screener typed up for him...and Prager's screeners are among the most incompetent I've ever encountered in all of talk radio, so listeners can almost count on the likelihood that what's on Prager's screen is in fact a serious corruption of whatever point the never-heard caller actually made to the screener.****
**** Prager's screeners are all college interns (and usually from small, religious schools); caller screening is such a vital element of commercial newstalk radio programming that it should NEVER be off-loaded to ANY inexperienced radio personnel, ESPECIALLY interns...but in these radio-in-decline days, it usually is.
==================https://www.mediaite.com/tv/just-in-tucker-carlson-drops-first-video-after-fox-news-ouster/

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 by: Kenny McCormack - Thu, 27 Apr 2023 09:13 UTC

In article <u28jk0$spj6$1@dont-email.me>,
David Carson <davo@neosoft.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 24 Apr 2023 22:51:54 -0700 (PDT), Raul TW
><raultenniswarehouse@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>His comments were arguably, crudely phrased, but Lemon was factually
>>correct on when a woman is considered in her prime.
>
>It's impossible to be factually correct about something so vague and
>rooted in opinion. As his co-anchor repeatedly asked, "prime for what?"

You may not like it, and it does seem quaint to modern ears, but it is
nonetheless true that there is a default assumption as to what is being
referred to by the phrase "A woman's prime" (when given with no other
qualifier).

And, yes, it is child-birthin'.

>Prime for winning an Olympic medal or a beauty pageant, or having a baby?

Yes, the last one in your list.

Incidentally, I've heard commentary to the effect that Lemon is gay, and
that this affects how we should interpret his words. I.e., the implication
is that as a gay man, him commenting on women stuff is somehow less
offensive that it would be coming from a straight man. Again, as "weird"
as this sounds to "modern ears", it doesn't take an Einstein to see where
it is coming from.

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even get their narrative straight. What they *should* say is "Eugene Goodman". If not for him, the plot
would probably have succeeded, so he (Eugene) is clearly to blame for the failure.

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 by: Adam H. Kerman - Thu, 27 Apr 2023 13:29 UTC

Kenny McCormack <gazelle@shell.xmission.com> wrote:
>David Carson <davo@neosoft.com> wrote:
>>24 Apr 2023 22:51:54 -0700 (PDT), Raul TW <raultenniswarehouse@gmail.com>:

>>>His comments were arguably, crudely phrased, but Lemon was factually
>>>correct on when a woman is considered in her prime.

>>It's impossible to be factually correct about something so vague and
>>rooted in opinion. As his co-anchor repeatedly asked, "prime for what?"

>You may not like it, and it does seem quaint to modern ears, but it is
>nonetheless true that there is a default assumption as to what is being
>referred to by the phrase "A woman's prime" (when given with no other
>qualifier).

>And, yes, it is child-birthin'.

Is it clear from context that that's what was being discussed, or did
Lemon change the topic to raise an irrelevancy? That's the only scenario
in which Lemon wouldn't have been in the wrong but I'm not going to
track down the video clip. You watched it so you could form that
conclusion, so you tell us.

>>Prime for winning an Olympic medal or a beauty pageant, or having a baby?

>Yes, the last one in your list.

>Incidentally, I've heard commentary to the effect that Lemon is gay, and
>that this affects how we should interpret his words. I.e., the implication
>is that as a gay man, him commenting on women stuff is somehow less
>offensive that it would be coming from a straight man. Again, as "weird"
>as this sounds to "modern ears", it doesn't take an Einstein to see where
>it is coming from.

bonk

I've heard gay men on line and on television express hostility toward women
generally and heterosexual sex and sex for pro-creation in particular,
so the gay best friend in the girl's bathroom from My So-Called Life
isn't the only stereotype. Gay men can absolutely be intolerant of women
in the extreme.

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 by: Kenny McCormack - Thu, 27 Apr 2023 18:50 UTC

In article <u2dtch$1u8ud$2@dont-email.me>,
Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
....
>>And, yes, it is child-birthin'.
>
>Is it clear from context that that's what was being discussed, or did
>Lemon change the topic to raise an irrelevancy? That's the only scenario
>in which Lemon wouldn't have been in the wrong but I'm not going to
>track down the video clip. You watched it so you could form that
>conclusion, so you tell us.

I have no idea what Lemon meant, nor am I in any way defending him.

I'm just saying that, as a matter of linguistics and of culture, the phrase
("A woman's prime") - without any other qualifier - refers to her
childbirthing capabilities. You are, of course, free to disagree with this
assertion.

>>Incidentally, I've heard commentary to the effect that Lemon is gay, and
>>that this affects how we should interpret his words. I.e., the implication
>>is that as a gay man, him commenting on women stuff is somehow less
>>offensive that it would be coming from a straight man. Again, as "weird"
>>as this sounds to "modern ears", it doesn't take an Einstein to see where
>>it is coming from.
>
>bonk
>
>I've heard gay men on line and on television express hostility toward women
>generally and heterosexual sex and sex for pro-creation in particular,
>so the gay best friend in the girl's bathroom from My So-Called Life
>isn't the only stereotype. Gay men can absolutely be intolerant of women
>in the extreme.

Hard to tell what you are getting at here, but if you think I was in any
way defending either gay men in general or Lemon in particular, then you
have misunderstood me.

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Kenny McCormack <gazelle@shell.xmission.com> wrote:
>Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

>...

>>>And, yes, it is child-birthin'.

>>Is it clear from context that that's what was being discussed, or did
>>Lemon change the topic to raise an irrelevancy? That's the only scenario
>>in which Lemon wouldn't have been in the wrong but I'm not going to
>>track down the video clip. You watched it so you could form that
>>conclusion, so you tell us.

>I have no idea what Lemon meant, nor am I in any way defending him.

>I'm just saying that, as a matter of linguistics and of culture, the phrase
>("A woman's prime") - without any other qualifier - refers to her
>childbirthing capabilities. You are, of course, free to disagree with this
>assertion.

I don't disagree. I disagree that without knowing context of whether a
woman's childbearing years were being discussed that it's what Lemon was
discussing. Even if it was what Lemon meant, he certainly changed the
topic to raise an irrelevancy.

>>>Incidentally, I've heard commentary to the effect that Lemon is gay, and
>>>that this affects how we should interpret his words. I.e., the implication
>>>is that as a gay man, him commenting on women stuff is somehow less
>>>offensive that it would be coming from a straight man. Again, as "weird"
>>>as this sounds to "modern ears", it doesn't take an Einstein to see where
>>>it is coming from.

>>bonk

>>I've heard gay men on line and on television express hostility toward women
>>generally and heterosexual sex and sex for pro-creation in particular,
>>so the gay best friend in the girl's bathroom from My So-Called Life
>>isn't the only stereotype. Gay men can absolutely be intolerant of women
>>in the extreme.

>Hard to tell what you are getting at here, but if you think I was in any
>way defending either gay men in general or Lemon in particular, then you
>have misunderstood me.

I'm making the obvious point that it's bad to infer that it might have
been made as a warm and friendly jibe.

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 by: Louis Epstein - Fri, 28 Apr 2023 04:02 UTC

radioacti...@gmail.com <radioactiveseattle@gmail.com> wrote:
> Now I'm even more confused than usual; this video that Carlson released--THAT'S the correct term, not that now-ubiquitously-employed-but-blasted* verb "dropped"!--purports to explain at least some of this, but not only says nuttin', but even alleges that the mainstream media are consciously avoiding ?undeniably big topics? that ?define our future,?, e.g., ?war, civil liberties, emerging science, demographic change, corporate power? and ?natural resources.?
>
> BRYAN STYBLE/Florida
> -------------------------------------
> * And arguably vulgar, which I bet is why the young folk so favor it to the long-accepted "released".

My annoyance with the slang use of "dropped" makes no reference to
vulgarity,but to the sheer opposite meaning to the apparent intent.
If I read that some recording artist has "dropped" an album,to me
that means that it has been CANCELLED,not released!

This brings to mind the two directly antonymous parliamentary
actions "to lay on the table" (meaning to set aside a proposal
previously being considered,the verb is "lay") and "to take up
from the table" (to proceed with consideration with a proposal
previously set aside,the verb is "take")...both these phrases
can be abbreviated by the single word "table",treated as a verb,
though it is a noun in the phrases in full...yet in American
English that one word abbreviates the former,and in British
English it abbreviates the latter!

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