RichA <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
> Mykhailo Podolyak,

I bet that if we can trick him into saying his name backwards, he’ll go
home.

a senior adviser to Ukraine’s president, said any plan to end Russia’s war
in Ukraine must involve the withdrawal of Moscow’s troops back to Ukraine’s
1991 borders at the time of the Soviet Union’s collapse.
>
> “Any ‘peace plan’ with ceasefire only and, as a result, a new
> delimitation line and continued occupation of Ukrainian territory isn’t
> about peace, but about freezing the war, a Ukrainian defeat, [and the]
> next stages of Russia’s genocide,” he said in a post on Twitter.
>
> “Ukraine’s position is known – the withdrawal of Russian troops to the
> borders of 1991,” he said.
>

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The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.

On Sat, 25 Feb 2023 23:22:18 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
wrote:

>RichA <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Mykhailo Podolyak,
>
>I bet that if we can trick him into saying his name backwards, he’ll go
>home.
>
>a senior adviser to Ukraine’s president, said any plan to end Russia’s war
>in Ukraine must involve the withdrawal of Moscow’s troops back to Ukraine’s
>1991 borders at the time of the Soviet Union’s collapse.
>>
>> “Any ‘peace plan’ with ceasefire only and, as a result, a new
>> delimitation line and continued occupation of Ukrainian territory isn’t
>> about peace, but about freezing the war, a Ukrainian defeat, [and the]
>> next stages of Russia’s genocide,” he said in a post on Twitter.
>>
>> “Ukraine’s position is known – the withdrawal of Russian troops to the
>> borders of 1991,” he said.
>>
That's been the Ukrainian policy since day 1 and even if it weren't
it's sound since any Russian offer would be for less than their
"minimum demand".

I see Crimea being the sticking point though what Slelenskyy REALLY
wants is an approved application to either the EU, NATO or both.

He'd sign away Crimea in a heartbeat for fast track NATO membership.

The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>That's been the Ukrainian policy since day 1 and even if it weren't
>it's sound since any Russian offer would be for less than their
>"minimum demand".

>I see Crimea being the sticking point though what Slelenskyy REALLY
>wants is an approved application to either the EU, NATO or both.

>He'd sign away Crimea in a heartbeat for fast track NATO membership.

As a practical matter, unless Putin is stopped, he'll invade again.
Treaty negotiations with Putin are meaningless.

On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 9:08:23 PM UTC-6, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> The Horny Goat <lcr...@home.ca> wrote:
>
> >That's been the Ukrainian policy since day 1 and even if it weren't
> >it's sound since any Russian offer would be for less than their
> >"minimum demand".
>
> >I see Crimea being the sticking point though what Slelenskyy REALLY
> >wants is an approved application to either the EU, NATO or both.
>
> >He'd sign away Crimea in a heartbeat for fast track NATO membership.
> As a practical matter, unless Putin is stopped, he'll invade again.
> Treaty negotiations with Putin are meaningless.

Putin has disregarded every treaty, contract and any other form of promise or guarantee he ever gave.

As far as Zelenskyy’s attitude towards Krym, approximately last March, he was asked to describe scenarios for the future. He laid several possible solutions, including freezing Krym into a two state entity (3 really if you include Tatars). He suggested the status should continue for twenty years.

When there is territory in frozen status, the country cannot aspire to NATO until the status is resolved.

Btw, The Saudis have entered the building

Saudi Arabia will supply Ukraine with aid worth $400 million

https://news.yahoo.com/saudi-arabia-supply-ukraine-aid-164547669.html

On 2/26/23 9:43 PM, m syadoz wrote:
> On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 9:08:23 PM UTC-6, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>> The Horny Goat <lcr...@home.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> That's been the Ukrainian policy since day 1 and even if it weren't
>>> it's sound since any Russian offer would be for less than their
>>> "minimum demand".
>>
>>> I see Crimea being the sticking point though what Slelenskyy REALLY
>>> wants is an approved application to either the EU, NATO or both.
>>
>>> He'd sign away Crimea in a heartbeat for fast track NATO membership.
>> As a practical matter, unless Putin is stopped, he'll invade again.
>> Treaty negotiations with Putin are meaningless.
>
> Putin has disregarded every treaty, contract and any other form of promise or guarantee he ever gave.
>
> As far as Zelenskyy’s attitude towards Krym, approximately last March, he was asked to describe scenarios for the future. He laid several possible solutions, including freezing Krym into a two state entity (3 really if you include Tatars). He suggested the status should continue for twenty years.
>
> When there is territory in frozen status, the country cannot aspire to NATO until the status is resolved.
>
> Btw, The Saudis have entered the building
>
> Saudi Arabia will supply Ukraine with aid worth $400 million
>
> https://news.yahoo.com/saudi-arabia-supply-ukraine-aid-164547669.html

Far less than they paid to Jared Kushner.