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The Titanic-bound submersible that went missing on Sunday with five people on board suffered a “catastrophic implosion,” killing everyone on board, US Coast Guard Rear Adm. John Mauger said Thursday.

The tail cone and other debris from the missing Titan submersible were found by a remotely operated vehicle about 1,600 feet from the bow of the Titanic, which rests about 13,000 feet deep in the North Atlantic Ocean.

“This is an incredibly unforgiving environment down there on the sea floor and the debris is consistent with a catastrophic implosion of the vessel,” Mauger, the First Coast Guard District commander, told reporters.

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The families were immediately notified, Mauger said. “I can only imagine what this has been like for them and I hope that this discovery provides some solace during this difficult time,” he said.

Minutes before the news conference, OceanGate Expeditions, the company that operated the deep-sea submersible, issued a statement saying it believes the five men aboard the craft are dead.

“We now believe that our CEO Stockton Rush, Shahzada Dawood and his son Suleman Dawood, Hamish Harding, and Paul-Henri Nargeolet, have sadly been lost,” OceanGate said in a statement.

“These men were true explorers who shared a distinct spirit of adventure, and a deep passion for exploring and protecting the world’s oceans. Our hearts are with these five souls and every member of their families during this tragic time. We grieve the loss of life and joy they brought to everyone they knew.”

A spokesperson for Pelagic Research Services confirmed to CNN its remote-operated vehicle, which was the first to search for the submersible on the sea floor, found the debris field.

The news ends a saga that began Sunday when the submersible, known as the “Titan,” began its descent to explore the wreckage of the Titanic. The expedition was billed as “a chance to step outside of everyday life and discover something truly extraordinary” and cost each participant $250,000, an archived version of OceanGate’s website shows.

However, the cramped vessel lost contact with its mother ship about 1 hour and 45 minutes into its dive and did not surface as expected, prompting an extensive search and rescue operation in a remote area several hundred miles southeast of Newfoundland.

The expedition reflects the ongoing fascination with the Titanic’s wreckage more than a century after it hit an iceberg and sank on its maiden voyage, killing more than 1,500 people. The journey was also part of the growing business of wealthy adventure tourism, along with the space flights of Blue Origin or the rise of guided tours to Mount Everest.

The focus on the vessel has renewed criticisms of OceanGate’s approach to safety from employees and other industry leaders. The 23,000-pound deep-sea vessel was made of an experimental combination of carbon fiber and titanium and relied on decidedly low-tech parts, such as a video game controller.

The submersible had an estimated 96 hours of life support, so Thursday morning was expected to be a “critical day” in the search, according to Guillermo Söhnlein, the co-founder of OceanGate.

Mauger said authorities would begin to demobilize the medical personnel and nine vessels involved in the search over the course of the next 24 hours, but remote operations would continue on the sea floor for an undetermined amount of time.

The OceanGate Titan submersible is seen in an undated photo. - From OceanGate/FILE
The international search and rescue efforts kicked into high gear in the past few days.

A remotely operated vehicle was looking for the submersible on the sea floor, the US Coast Guard’s Northeast District tweeted Thursday morning.. An ROV from a French vessel has also been deployed, and equipment from Magellan, the team that mapped the Titanic wreckage site last year, was headed to the site to assist.

Further, aircraft were scanning a search zone about twice the size of Connecticut and as deep as 2 1/2 miles, Capt. Jamie Frederick, the response coordinator for the First Coast Guard District, said Wednesday. Medical personnel specializing in dive medicine and a hyperbaric recompression chamber arrived on scene Thursday, according to a spokesperson for the Joint Rescue Coordination Centre Halifax of the Canadian Armed Forces.

Banging noises detected underwater Tuesday and Wednesday in the massive search area provided hope for survivors, though their origin was not clear. The underwater sounds detected by sonar devices on Tuesday first came every 30 minutes and were heard again four hours later, according to an internal US government memo update on the search.

Naval experts were analyzing recordings of the sounds to determine their origin. “I can’t tell you what the noises are,” Frederick said.

“The Coast Guard has done a very good job in putting the right tools with the right team in the right spot. So, the chances are as good as they can be,” Gallo, the senior adviser for strategic initiatives at RMS Titanic Inc., told CNN on Thursday morning.

“It’s tough because the oceans are pitch black, you can only use sound to image effectively, and you’ve got to be pretty much on top of the object to actually see it,” he added.

A screengrab from a Canadian Armed Forces Operations video released on Wednesday shows search efforts for the OceanGate Titan submersible. - Canadian Armed Forces
As aircraft, ships, sonar buoys and robots combed through the ocean, the brutal conditions at the depths of the ocean make it inhospitable to human life.

If the submersible is found at depth, it would take a while to bring it to the surface, and there won’t be a way to get oxygen into it, said ocean explorer Tom Dettweiler, who was part of the expedition that discovered the Titanic wreckage in 1985.

“The thing to do would be to bring it up as quickly as possible and open the hatch and get to the people. Unfortunately, it cannot be brought up all that quickly when it is on the end of a cable and dependent on the speed of a winch to bring it up,” he told CNN. “You’re still talking about hours, potentially, to get it up.”

Ret. Navy Capt. David Marquet, a former submarine captain, described Wednesday what he imagines the five passengers are experiencing in the Titan beyond hunger, thirst and discomfort.

“They’re freezing cold. The water entirely surrounding the ship is at freezing or slightly below. When they exhale, their breath condenses. There’s frost on the inside of the parts of the submarine,” Marquet told CNN’s Jake Tapper. “They’re all huddled together trying to conserve their body heat. They’re running low on oxygen and they’re exhaling carbon dioxide.”

The submersible has a “limited ability” to absorb the exhaled carbon dioxide, which at high levels could trigger headaches, confusion and nausea, Marquet said. “The oxygen and the carbon dioxide and the freezing are what they got to hold onto as long as possible to give the rescuers the time they need.”

Those onboard will need to conserve energy, said Joe MacInnis, a physician and renowned diver who’s made two trips to the Titanic wreck.

“Resting, breathing as little as possible, and trying to keep calm – that is the most important thing,” he told CNN early Wednesday.

Per Wimmer, an adventurer and acquaintance of Harding and Rush, said he believed they would know to conserve oxygen.

The last communication between the vessel and its mother ship, the Polar Prince, came in at 11:47 a.m. Sunday. With no GPS underwater, the submersible is only guided by text messages from the surface ship.

Indeed, “issues with computer control” were among the reasons Discovery Channel’s “Expedition Unknown” host Josh Gates and his team decided after a 2021 test dive of Titan against filming a segment on the vessel as it “became clear to us at that time that there was a lot that needed to be worked out with the sub,” he said.

“A lot of the systems worked but a lot of them really didn’t. We had issues with thrusters and issues with computer control and things like that. Ultimately, it was a challenging dive,” Gates told CNN’s Anderson Cooper Wednesday.

“We were inside Titan for two or three hours, and there were a lot of things that weren’t really ready for prime time, it seemed,” he said, adding he couldn’t get comfortable with the Titan at that time.

Equipment flown in by US Air Force transport planes is loaded onto the offshore vessel Horizon Arctic before its deployment to the search area. - David Hiscock/Reuters
The disappearance of Titan and the international dash to find it have put its operator under the microscope.

At least two former OceanGate employees years ago expressed safety concerns about the vessel’s hull, including the thickness of the material used and testing procedures, CNN has learned.

OceanGate Expeditions strayed from industry norms by declining a voluntary, rigorous safety review of the vessel, according to an industry leader. If the company had pursued a certification review “some of this may have been avoided,” Will Kohnen of the Marine Technology Society told CNN on Wednesday.

The company also faced a series of mechanical problems and inclement weather conditions that forced the cancellation or delays of trips in recent years, according to court records. The scuttled excursions led to a pair of lawsuits in which some high-paying customers sought to recoup the cost of trips they said they didn’t take. The complaints alleged that the company overstated its ability to reach the Titanic wreckage.

I can't help being reminded of certain space shuttle disasters, in 1986 and 2003...

And who can say which of the three was the least painful to die in.

You're on the mark about that, Lenona.; NASA investigators nowadays believe the Challenger crew were alive and perhaps even alert in their still-intact crew compartment all the way down until their ferocious impact with the Atlantic Ocean.

As you know, The Titan five died almost instantly on Sunday morning...but for the global village it's been a weeklong, sad seagoing sequel to the 1912 original.

BRYAN STYBLE/Florida

On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 1:20:04 PM UTC-7, Lenona wrote:
>However, the cramped vessel lost contact with its mother ship about 1 hour and 45 minutes into its dive and did not surface as expected, > prompting an extensive search and rescue operation in a remote area several hundred miles southeast of Newfoundland.

Sudden loss of communication at 7000 feet. No distress signal. At that point it was obvious that there was a catastrophic event and the submersible had imploded. They were all dead on Sunday. Even if by some miracle the passengers had escaped the vessel, it would have been immediately fatal.

There is a strong case to be made that the huge search mission was unnecessary. I would have had no problem with it.
And it would also have avoided the ridiculous 5 day media circus with speculation that passengers were banging on the sub. Impossible.

===============================================
Crush injuries: The high pressure at this depth would crush the lungs and other organs. This would be immediately fatal.
In short, a human could not survive for very long at a depth of 7,000 feet. The pressure would be too great and the conditions would be too harsh.

The deepest a human has ever survived in water is about 1,752 feet. This was achieved by Jacques Mayol, a French free diver, in 1976. Mayol was wearing a special suit that helped to equalize the pressure on his body. He also had to breathe a special gas mixture that would not dissolve in the blood at high pressure.

It is possible that humans could survive at even greater depths in the future. However, this would require the development of new technologies that would allow humans to withstand the extreme pressure and cold.

On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 7:25:49 PM UTC-4, Raul TW wrote:

> Sudden loss of communication at 7000 feet. No distress signal. At that point it was obvious that there was a catastrophic event and the submersible had imploded. They were all dead on Sunday. Even if by some miracle the passengers had escaped the vessel, it would have been immediately fatal.
>
> There is a strong case to be made that the huge search mission was unnecessary. I would have had no problem with it.
> And it would also have avoided the ridiculous 5 day media circus with speculation that passengers were banging on the sub. Impossible.

Interesting. With that in mind, one might think that the government would order the company to waive rescue efforts (as opposed to recovery efforts), when a set of communication rules is in place AND there's no real reason to believe anyone's alive.

On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 7:48:26 PM UTC-7, Lenona wrote:
> On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 7:25:49 PM UTC-4, Raul TW wrote:

> > There is a strong case to be made that the huge search mission was unnecessary. I would have had no problem with it.
> > And it would also have avoided the ridiculous 5 day media circus with speculation that passengers were banging on the sub.

> Interesting. With that in mind, one might think that the government would order the company to waive rescue efforts (as opposed to >recovery efforts), when a set of communication rules is in place AND there's no real reason to believe anyone's alive.

As I understand it, the private company that owned the submersible was not involved in rescue mission and does not even have the capability to rescue a vessel at 7000 feet.

The tourist Titan submersible was operating in international waters. A legal gray area. The vessel was not subject to the safety standards of any individual country or government. That will likely change going forward.

I have no problem with the private company that operated the submersible performing its own rescue efforts. But governments should not be required to conduct rescue missions, particularly in the face of overwhelming evidence on Day 1 that everyone was instantaneously killed Sunday when the sub suddenly lost communication and imploded at 7000 feet.

On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 1:43:08 AM UTC-4, Raul TW wrote:
> As I understand it, the private company that owned the submersible was not involved in rescue mission and does not even have the capability to rescue a vessel at 7000 feet.

Yes, well, so the company didn't ASK for a rescue mission, I take it.
The government should still have had the right to spend only half or so of those millions that got spent - and only for the sake of recovery. (I doubt the waste happened only because of individual politicians trying to look like heroes.)

I don't know what the legal details would be - or if there are any similar situations with similar restrictions regarding rescue missions.

On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 6:48:26 AM UTC-7, Lenona wrote:

> The government should still have had the right to spend only half or so of those millions that got spent - and only for the sake of recovery. (I doubt the waste happened only because of individual politicians trying to look like heroes.)
>
> I don't know what the legal details would be - or if there are any similar situations with similar restrictions regarding rescue missions.

'I knew Titanic submarine imploded on Monday and rescue was a 'charade', says James Cameron.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEBCc-Qpilw

James Cameron made 33 dives to the wreckage site between 1995 and 2005. His first dive was in 1995, while he was still in pre-production for his film Titanic. He returned to the site in 2001 to film his documentary Ghosts of the Abyss. He also made several dives in 2005 to collect samples for research.

Cameron's dives to the Titanic were groundbreaking. He was the first person to explore the interior of the ship in over 70 years. His footage and photographs have provided a unique glimpse into the history of the Titanic and the lives of its passengers.

Cameron's interest in the Titanic began when he was a child. He was fascinated by the story of the ship and its sinking. As an adult, he became a deep-sea explorer and filmmaker. He used his skills to document the Titanic wreckage and share it with the world.

Cameron's dives to the Titanic were not without their risks. The water at the wreck site is extremely cold and dark. There is also the danger of decompression sickness, which can be fatal. However, Cameron was determined to explore the Titanic, and he took the necessary precautions to stay safe.

Cameron's dives to the Titanic have made him a leading expert on the ship. He has written several books about the Titanic, and he has appeared in several documentaries about the ship. He is also the founder of the James Cameron Institute for the Exploration of the Titanic and Other Deep-Sea Mysteries.

Cameron's work on the Titanic has helped to preserve the memory of the ship and its passengers. His photographs and footage have provided a unique glimpse into the past, and they continue to fascinate people around the world.

Lenona <lenona321@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I can't help being reminded of certain space shuttle disasters, in 1986
>and 2003...

>And who can say which of the three was the least painful to die in.

No. According to news reports yesterday, the submersible was rated
for 1/3 the depth. That's not what happened to the shuttles.

On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 8:45:51 PM UTC-4, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> No. According to news reports yesterday, the submersible was rated
> for 1/3 the depth.

Um...meaning what?

Yes, I heard that it was likely so quick that they had no idea what was happening - but I find that a little hard to believe.

That is, wouldn't they at least have felt a sensation of choking, being cold, or getting wet first - unless all the walls somehow shattered into TINY pieces in a nanosecond? If you see what I mean?

Lenona <lenona321@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 8:45:51 PM UTC-4, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

>>No. According to news reports yesterday, the submersible was rated
>>for 1/3 the depth.

>Um...meaning what?

There was a window in the hull that was not rated for the ocean depths at
which the Titanic sunk. Also, the carbon-fiber hull wasn't necessarily
a long-term solution to the problem of withstanding extreme pressure. A
defect in the hull wouldn't have been a small leak but a catastrophic
failure. I don't expect that it's possible to prove which failed first
given the tiny size of debris particles.

>Yes, I heard that it was likely so quick that they had no idea what was
>happening - but I find that a little hard to believe.

It killed the owner of the vessel and his son. Pretty much, you had
engineering based on wishful thinking.

>That is, wouldn't they at least have felt a sensation of choking, being
>cold, or getting wet first - unless all the walls somehow shattered into
>TINY pieces in a nanosecond? If you see what I mean?

I couldn't possibly know this.

On Saturday, June 24, 2023 at 10:10:11 AM UTC-7, Lenona wrote:

> Yes, I heard that it was likely so quick that they had no idea what was happening - but I find that a little hard to believe.
>
> That is, wouldn't they at least have felt a sensation of choking, being cold, or getting wet first - unless all the walls somehow shattered into TINY pieces in a nanosecond? If you see what I mean?

It imploded at 700 feet. At 7000 feet, the water pressure is 1400 psi.

We can only speculate as to how quickly it imploded. But there was no distress signal sent which suggests a sudden catastrophic event. One plausible theory is that there was a breach in the hull. A small crack or hole. This would have led to violent shaking followed by the very small cabin filling up with water. This all would have transpired very quickly. 10 seconds? 5 seconds? Or pehaps far less than that. Nobody knows.

But even five seconds can feel like an absolute eternity. I lean towards the theory that they were aware something was wrong and their final seconds were terrifying.

On 25/06/2023 11:23 am, Raul TW wrote:
> On Saturday, June 24, 2023 at 10:10:11 AM UTC-7, Lenona wrote:
>
>> Yes, I heard that it was likely so quick that they had no idea what was happening - but I find that a little hard to believe.
>>
>> That is, wouldn't they at least have felt a sensation of choking, being cold, or getting wet first - unless all the walls somehow shattered into TINY pieces in a nanosecond? If you see what I mean?
>
> It imploded at 700 feet. At 7000 feet, the water pressure is 1400 psi.
>
> We can only speculate as to how quickly it imploded. But there was no distress signal sent which suggests a sudden catastrophic event. One plausible theory is that there was a breach in the hull. A small crack or hole. This would have led to violent shaking followed by the very small cabin filling up with water. This all would have transpired very quickly. 10 seconds? 5 seconds? Or pehaps far less than that. Nobody knows.
>
> But even five seconds can feel like an absolute eternity. I lean towards the theory that they were aware something was wrong and their final seconds were terrifying.

That's not a theory it's a guess.

On Saturday, June 24, 2023 at 6:23:04 PM UTC-7, Raul TW wrote:
> On Saturday, June 24, 2023 at 10:10:11 AM UTC-7, Lenona wrote:

> We can only speculate as to how quickly it imploded. But there was no distress signal sent which suggests a sudden catastrophic event. > One plausible theory is that there was a breach in the hull. A small crack or hole. This would have led to violent shaking followed by the > very small cabin filling up with water. This all would have transpired very quickly. 10 seconds? 5 seconds? Or pehaps far less than that. > Nobody knows.
>
> But even five seconds can feel like an absolute eternity. I lean towards the theory that they were aware something was wrong and their > final seconds were terrifying.

We already knew that communication was suddenly lost at 7000 feet. Only halfway into the descent. And that the Navy picked up the loud implosion sounds. All consistent with a breach in the hull. Now James Cameron's inside sources say that the sub dropped weight and was trying to ascend. It is yet more evidence to support the theory that the passengers had warnings that something was seriously wrong.

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/story/2023-06-22/titanic-james-cameron-titan-submersible-deaths-oceangate-submarine

“This OceanGate sub had sensors on the inside of a hull to give them a warning when it was starting to crack,” he told ABC News. “And I think if that’s your idea of safety, then you’re doing it wrong. They probably had warning that their hull was starting to delaminate, starting to crack. ... We understand from inside the community that they had dropped their ascent weights and they were coming up, trying to manage an emergency.”

On Sat, 24 Jun 2023 10:10:09 -0700 (PDT), Lenona <lenona321@yahoo.com> wrote:

| On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 8:45:51?PM UTC-4, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
|
| > No. According to news reports yesterday, the submersible was rated
| > for 1/3 the depth.
|
| Um...meaning what?
|
| Yes, I heard that it was likely so quick that they had no idea what was happening - but I find that a little hard to believe.
|
| That is, wouldn't they at least have felt a sensation of choking, being cold, or getting wet first - unless all the walls somehow shattered into TINY pieces in a nanosecond? If you see what I mean?

The effects of catastrophic implosion at the depth where submersible communication
and tracking were lost would be like sticking a pin in a balloon. The occupants would
have gone from OK to nonexistant in no more time than it takes you to blink.

Larc

On Monday, June 26, 2023 at 7:33:51 AM UTC-7, Larc wrote:

> | That is, wouldn't they at least have felt a sensation of choking, being cold, or getting wet first - unless all the walls somehow shattered into TINY pieces in a nanosecond? If you see what I mean?
> The effects of catastrophic implosion at the depth where submersible communication
> and tracking were lost would be like sticking a pin in a balloon. The occupants would
> have gone from OK to nonexistant in no more time than it takes you to blink.

Nobody disputes that the implosion itself results in instantaneous death. The question is whether they were aware that the sub was in serious trouble. The fact that the sub was shedding weight, reversing course and ascending (after only halfway down to its destination) is an indication that they were certainly aware.

I wanted in on this conversation but first wanted to know the
official dictionary definition of implosion, so I googled it. Boy
they sure didn't waste any time keeping up to date with their
definition example.

"Examples of implosion include a submarine being crushed
from the outside by the hydrostatic pressure of the surrounding
water and the collapse of a massive star under its own gravitational pressure."

//////////////////

Something like this should be photographed. I can imagine an
implosion but have never seen one. Not that I know of. Also wondering
if implosion might not be a good method of execution. How long does
it take? Is it painless? Well, in my book nothing is painless as pain
covers a lot of ground in my dictionary. I thought it was funny, googling
'implosion' and getting the obviously updated example. But what if it
wasn't updated? Is it possible they were using submarine implosion as
an example even before the other days events.

On Mon, 26 Jun 2023 15:59:40 -0700 (PDT), Thomas Joseph
<jazeev1234@gmail.com> wrote:

>I wanted in on this conversation but first wanted to know the
>official dictionary definition of implosion, so I googled it. Boy
>they sure didn't waste any time keeping up to date with their
>definition example.
>
>"Examples of implosion include a submarine being crushed
>from the outside by the hydrostatic pressure of the surrounding
>water and the collapse of a massive star under its own gravitational pressure."

>[snip]But what if it
>wasn't updated? Is it possible they were using submarine implosion as
>an example even before the other days events.

If you had provided the URL where you got the definition, it would be easy
to found out whether it was recently updated. But one piece of evidence
that the definition precedes the Titan accident is its use of "submarine"
instead of "submersible." A submarine launches from a port and travels to
its destination under its own power. A submersible, such as the Titan,
launches from a surface vessel or platform and has power to maneuver, but
not cover distances.

David Carson
--
Dead or Alive Data Base
http://www.doadb.com

radioacti...@gmail.com <radioactiveseattle@gmail.com> wrote:
> You're on the mark about that, Lenona.; NASA investigators nowadays believe
> the Challenger crew were alive and perhaps even alert in their still-intact
> crew compartment all the way down until their ferocious impact with the
> Atlantic Ocean.

I thought they died with an "Uh-oh".

> As you know, The Titan five died almost instantly on Sunday morning...but
> for the global village it's been a weeklong, sad seagoing sequel to the 1912
> original.

So...a century hence,will anyone buy tickets to an underwater
expedition to examine the Titan debris field?

> BRYAN STYBLE/Florida

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

Lenona <lenona321@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 8:45:51?PM UTC-4, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>
>> No. According to news reports yesterday, the submersible was rated
>> for 1/3 the depth.
>
> Um...meaning what?
>
> Yes, I heard that it was likely so quick that they had no idea what was
> happening - but I find that a little hard to believe.

They may have had an idea that the hull was in distress,
followed so quickly by the complete implosion crushing
them all that they couldn't discuss it.

> That is, wouldn't they at least have felt a sensation of choking, being
> cold, or getting wet first - unless all the walls somehow shattered into TINY
> pieces in a nanosecond? If you see what I mean?

Would the water itself or the hull fragments being driven into each
other crushing anything between them have reached them first?

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

Larc <larc@notmyaddress.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Jun 2023 10:10:09 -0700 (PDT), Lenona <lenona321@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> | On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 8:45:51?PM UTC-4, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> |
> | > No. According to news reports yesterday, the submersible was rated
> | > for 1/3 the depth.
> |
> | Um...meaning what?
> |
> | Yes, I heard that it was likely so quick that they had no idea what was happening - but I find that a little hard to believe.
> |
> | That is, wouldn't they at least have felt a sensation of choking, being cold, or getting wet first - unless all the walls somehow shattered into TINY pieces in a nanosecond? If you see what I mean?
>
> The effects of catastrophic implosion at the depth where submersible communication
> and tracking were lost would be like sticking a pin in a balloon. The occupants would
> have gone from OK to nonexistant in no more time than it takes you to blink.

They went from intact to nonexistent very quickly,but how long
did it take them to go from carefree to nonexistent?

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

David Carson wrote:
Thomas Joseph

> But what if it wasn't updated? Is it possible they were using
> submarine implosion as an example even before the other days events.

> If you had provided the URL where you got the definition, it would be easy
> to found out whether it was recently updated. But one piece of evidence
> that the definition precedes the Titan accident is its use of "submarine"
> instead of "submersible." A submarine launches from a port and travels to
> its destination under its own power. A submersible, such as the Titan,
> launches from a surface vessel or platform and has power to maneuver, but
> not cover distances.

True true, good points. But I neglected to mention - didn't see it the first
time - that the example showed up highlighted in blue. I did not notice it
at first it was so faint. This tells me the example was likely updated. It
was funny though, going in for an example of implosion and getting the
submarine. Submersible or submarine, it's still something you're not going
to find me in, not unless I'm forced.

Louis Epstein wrote:

> So...a century hence,will anyone buy tickets to an underwater
> expedition to examine the Titan debris field?

If the 'crew' had time for thoughts I wonder if one may have been,
"I can't believe I paid for this?", just as the implosion was taking hold.