novaBBS - alt.obituaries - Tony Bennett, 96

On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 8:41:50 AM UTC-4, Diner wrote:
> https://variety.com/2023/music/news/tony-bennett-dead-dies-pop-vocalist-1235676390/
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/21/arts/music/tony-bennett-dead.html

Been wondering lately when this was going to happen. "Will Tony make it to
a hundred? Will he beat out George Burns? I thought he might. Not that I care.
Truth is I like when famous people die. Not in a malicious way, just a small jolt
into an otherwise dull life - gives me a lift when the famous die, makes me feel
"so alive". I like Tony when he was younger, much younger - the early stuff. Some
of the later jazz tinged stuff was ok too. But lots of his stuff seemed mailed in,
especially when he'd end just about every song with some kind of crescendo.
Edie Gorme did the same thing, even more often than Tony. Yes, I was so
convinced that the Big T was going to hit the century mark that at first I thought
the post of his death was a prank. But let me tell you something buddy, death
don't play around.

Thomas Joseph <jazeev1234@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 8:41:50?AM UTC-4, Diner wrote:
>> https://variety.com/2023/music/news/tony-bennett-dead-dies-pop-vocalist-1235676390/
>>
>> https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/21/arts/music/tony-bennett-dead.html
>
>
> Been wondering lately when this was going to happen. "Will Tony make it to
> a hundred? Will he beat out George Burns? I thought he might. Not that I care.
> Truth is I like when famous people die. Not in a malicious way, just a small jolt
> into an otherwise dull life - gives me a lift when the famous die, makes me feel
> "so alive". I like Tony when he was younger, much younger - the early stuff. Some
> of the later jazz tinged stuff was ok too. But lots of his stuff seemed mailed in,
> especially when he'd end just about every song with some kind of crescendo.
> Edie Gorme did the same thing, even more often than Tony. Yes, I was so
> convinced that the Big T was going to hit the century mark that at first I thought
> the post of his death was a prank. But let me tell you something buddy, death
> don't play around.

And with that the round robin of Dean Martin,Tony Martin,and Tony Bennett
are all dead.
(Dean didn't live nearly as long as the Tonys,who made it most of the way
through their 90s).

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

Hey Louis: I had to read your posting more than a couple times to figure out what (in this context, at least) you meant by round-robin; once it dawned on me, I must say, that's a clever way of relating a given set of disparate-yet-related-by-career names. Indeed, I shall borrow it myself, should I ever stumble onto another such combo.

Appreciate your brightening of my day. (And I'll get around to filling you in on my promised Asimov non-story soon.)

BRYAN STYBLE/Florida

One time in Summer 1986 while in Atlantic City , I noticed an interesting sign perched above a paid-parking lot attached to one of casinos. The sign didn't seem to delineate present and upcoming events and, thus,it read TONY BENNETT ROSEMARY CLOONEY BOXING TONIGHT.

iI would've paid money to see that. "Extra value is what you get ..."

Yeah, I would have read that inexcusably-unpunctuated sign the same way.

Appreciate the hilarious conflation, Derek!

BRYAN STYBLE/Florida

Thomas Joseph wrote:
Louis Epstein wrote:
Thomas Joseph wrote:

> > Been wondering lately when this was going to happen. "Will Tony make it to
> > a hundred? Will he beat out George Burns? I thought he might. Not that I care.
> > Truth is I like when famous people die. Not in a malicious way, just a small jolt
> > into an otherwise dull life - gives me a lift when the famous die, makes me feel
> > "so alive". I like Tony when he was younger, much younger - the early stuff. Some
> > of the later jazz tinged stuff was ok too. But lots of his stuff seemed mailed in,
> > especially when he'd end just about every song with some kind of crescendo.
> > Edie Gorme did the same thing, even more often than Tony. Yes, I was so
> > convinced that the Big T was going to hit the century mark that at first I thought
> > the post of his death was a prank. But let me tell you something buddy, death
> > don't play around.

> And with that the round robin of Dean Martin,Tony Martin,and Tony Bennett
> are all dead.
> (Dean didn't live nearly as long as the Tonys,who made it most of the way
> through their 90s). `

No matter how long people live it will never be enough as long as
they are saddled with the annoying will to live. I am only 75. By today's
standards that is not old, but it is old tome and I am ready any time to
play the age card if it's dealt my way (and even if it's not). I remember
when George Burns was zeroing in on 100 and his once dormant
career began to spiral. I was not impressed. I remember thinking,
"This clown is getting all the attention just because he's old." I no
longer feel that way. I look at a guy like Bennet (98 or whatever),
and all I can think is, "It's gonna take another 23 years of life to
catch him", and truth is I just can't see that happening. I guess you
gotta get old to know what getting old really mean. And then - poof, you die.

Thomas Joseph <jazeev1234@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thomas Joseph wrote:
> Louis Epstein wrote:
> Thomas Joseph wrote:
>
>
>> > Been wondering lately when this was going to happen. "Will Tony make it to
>> > a hundred? Will he beat out George Burns? I thought he might. Not that I care.
>> > Truth is I like when famous people die. Not in a malicious way, just a small jolt
>> > into an otherwise dull life - gives me a lift when the famous die, makes me feel
>> > "so alive". I like Tony when he was younger, much younger - the early stuff. Some
>> > of the later jazz tinged stuff was ok too. But lots of his stuff seemed mailed in,
>> > especially when he'd end just about every song with some kind of crescendo.
>> > Edie Gorme did the same thing, even more often than Tony. Yes, I was so
>> > convinced that the Big T was going to hit the century mark that at first I thought
>> > the post of his death was a prank. But let me tell you something buddy, death
>> > don't play around.
>
>
>> And with that the round robin of Dean Martin,Tony Martin,and Tony Bennett
>> are all dead.
>> (Dean didn't live nearly as long as the Tonys,who made it most of the way
>> through their 90s). `
>
>
> No matter how long people live it will never be enough as long as
> they are saddled with the annoying will to live. I am only 75. By today's
> standards that is not old, but it is old tome and I am ready any time to
> play the age card if it's dealt my way (and even if it's not).

https://youtu.be/BIQDPJIUvhY has the glass-half-full perspective...

> I remember when George Burns was zeroing in on 100 and his once dormant
> career began to spiral. I was not impressed. I remember thinking,
> "This clown is getting all the attention just because he's old." I no
> longer feel that way. I look at a guy like Bennet (98 or whatever),
> and all I can think is, "It's gonna take another 23 years of life to
> catch him", and truth is I just can't see that happening. I guess you
> gotta get old to know what getting old really mean. And then - poof, you die.

....I will continue to revere longevity records.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 3:00:58 PM UTC-4, Louis Epstein wrote:
> Thomas Joseph <jazee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Thomas Joseph wrote:
> > Louis Epstein wrote:
> > Thomas Joseph wrote:
> >
> >
> >> > Been wondering lately when this was going to happen. "Will Tony make it to
> >> > a hundred? Will he beat out George Burns? I thought he might. Not that I care.
> >> > Truth is I like when famous people die. Not in a malicious way, just a small jolt
> >> > into an otherwise dull life - gives me a lift when the famous die, makes me feel
> >> > "so alive". I like Tony when he was younger, much younger - the early stuff. Some
> >> > of the later jazz tinged stuff was ok too. But lots of his stuff seemed mailed in,
> >> > especially when he'd end just about every song with some kind of crescendo.
> >> > Edie Gorme did the same thing, even more often than Tony. Yes, I was so
> >> > convinced that the Big T was going to hit the century mark that at first I thought
> >> > the post of his death was a prank. But let me tell you something buddy, death
> >> > don't play around.
> >
> >
> >> And with that the round robin of Dean Martin,Tony Martin,and Tony Bennett
> >> are all dead.
> >> (Dean didn't live nearly as long as the Tonys,who made it most of the way
> >> through their 90s). `
> >
> >
> > No matter how long people live it will never be enough as long as
> > they are saddled with the annoying will to live. I am only 75. By today's
> > standards that is not old, but it is old tome and I am ready any time to
> > play the age card if it's dealt my way (and even if it's not).
> https://youtu.be/BIQDPJIUvhY has the glass-half-full perspective...
> > I remember when George Burns was zeroing in on 100 and his once dormant
> > career began to spiral. I was not impressed. I remember thinking,
> > "This clown is getting all the attention just because he's old." I no
> > longer feel that way. I look at a guy like Bennet (98 or whatever),
> > and all I can think is, "It's gonna take another 23 years of life to
> > catch him", and truth is I just can't see that happening. I guess you
> > gotta get old to know what getting old really mean. And then - poof, you die.
> ...I will continue to revere longevity records.
> -=-=-
> The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
> at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

The stats are interesting. There are almost 90,000
living people over 100 years of age in our world.
Come to think of it, that's not many - less than I
thought it would be.

I don't know the age of the world's oldest living
human at this time, but it's usually somewhere
around 115.

What's amazing to me - maybe it shouldn't be -
are the astronomical odds against any of them
making it another 15 years. Forget the centenarians.
Let's talk about the entire human race - closing in on
8 billion. From jump street a person's odds of making
it to 115 are close to 8 billion to one against - (I would assume).

Thomas Joseph <jazeev1234@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 3:00:58?PM UTC-4, Louis Epstein wrote:
>> Thomas Joseph <jazee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Thomas Joseph wrote:
>> > Louis Epstein wrote:
>> > Thomas Joseph wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >> > Been wondering lately when this was going to happen. "Will Tony make it to
>> >> > a hundred? Will he beat out George Burns? I thought he might. Not that I care.
>> >> > Truth is I like when famous people die. Not in a malicious way, just a small jolt
>> >> > into an otherwise dull life - gives me a lift when the famous die, makes me feel
>> >> > "so alive". I like Tony when he was younger, much younger - the early stuff. Some
>> >> > of the later jazz tinged stuff was ok too. But lots of his stuff seemed mailed in,
>> >> > especially when he'd end just about every song with some kind of crescendo.
>> >> > Edie Gorme did the same thing, even more often than Tony. Yes, I was so
>> >> > convinced that the Big T was going to hit the century mark that at first I thought
>> >> > the post of his death was a prank. But let me tell you something buddy, death
>> >> > don't play around.
>> >
>> >
>> >> And with that the round robin of Dean Martin,Tony Martin,and Tony Bennett
>> >> are all dead.
>> >> (Dean didn't live nearly as long as the Tonys,who made it most of the way
>> >> through their 90s). `
>> >
>> >
>> > No matter how long people live it will never be enough as long as
>> > they are saddled with the annoying will to live. I am only 75. By today's
>> > standards that is not old, but it is old tome and I am ready any time to
>> > play the age card if it's dealt my way (and even if it's not).
>> https://youtu.be/BIQDPJIUvhY has the glass-half-full perspective...
>> > I remember when George Burns was zeroing in on 100 and his once dormant
>> > career began to spiral. I was not impressed. I remember thinking,
>> > "This clown is getting all the attention just because he's old." I no
>> > longer feel that way. I look at a guy like Bennet (98 or whatever),
>> > and all I can think is, "It's gonna take another 23 years of life to
>> > catch him", and truth is I just can't see that happening. I guess you
>> > gotta get old to know what getting old really mean. And then - poof, you die.
>> ...I will continue to revere longevity records.
>
>
> The stats are interesting. There are almost 90,000
> living people over 100 years of age in our world.
> Come to think of it, that's not many - less than I
> thought it would be.
>
> I don't know the age of the world's oldest living
> human at this time, but it's usually somewhere
> around 115.

Extracted from my tables I have maintained for decades...

CHRONOLOGICAL OLDEST LIVING LISTED PERSONS
(Since 1955)
Years Days Born Died
Betsy (Russell) Baker 113 65 August 20,1842 October 24,1955
Janet "Jennie"
(Chaplow) Howell 111 292 February 28,1845 December 16,1956
Christina (Backs)
Karnebeek 110 5 October 2,1849 October 7,1959
[only ever listed in Guinness as "Baks Karnebeek (Mrs.)"]
Robert Alexander Early 111 1 October 8,1849 October 9,1960
Martha Mary (Young)
Kelly 113 202 June 7,1851 December 30,1964
William Archer
Fullingim 110 30 July 7,1855 August 6,1965
Hannah Smith 110 3 January 7,1856 January 10,1966
John Mosely Turner 111 280 June 15,1856 March 21,1968
Johanna Maria
(Drotskie) Booysen 111 151 January 17,1857 June 16,1968
["Booyson" in Guinness,but not on tombstone;spellings of
maiden name (not in Guinness) vary]
Marie Bernatkova 111 194 October 22,1857 May 4,1969
Ada (Giddings) Roe 111 339 February 6,1858 January 11,1970
Kittie Mary (Bonham)
Harvey 112 180 January 12,1860 July 10,1972
Josefa Salas Mateo 112 228 July 14,1860 February 27,1973
Alice Stevenson 112 39 July 10,1861 August 18,1973
Adeline "Ettie" (Siebe)
Crist 111 330 February 14,1862 January 10,1974
Mito Umeta 112 65 March 27,1863 May 31,1975
Niwa Kawamoto 113 103 August 5,1863 November 16,1976
[alternately born September 17]
Alice (Flannagan)
[Gilmore] Coles 113 69 August 28,1865 November 5,1978
Fannie Leona Thomas 113 273 April 24,1867 January 22,1981
[by some records born April 14th?]
Augustine Teissier
(Sister Julia) 112 66 January 2,1869 March 9,1981
[death date shown from Guinness,records apparently show March 8th]
Nellie Mary (Silsby)
Spencer 113 81 August 24,1869 November 13,1982
Emma (Werner) Wilson 113 154 May 12,1870 October 13,1983
Mathew Beard 114 222 July 9,1870 February 16,1985
[SSA study age is not clearly supported in available records]
Augusta Louise (Hoppe)
Holtz 115 79 August 3,1871 October 21,1986
Mary Elizabeth
(Wallace) McKinney 113 248 May 30,1873 February 2,1987
Anna Eliza (Davies)
Williams 114 208 June 2,1873 December 27,1987
Florence Knapp 114 93 October 10,1873 January 11,1988
Jeanne Louise Calment 122 164 February 21,1875 August 4,1997
Marie Louise Febronie
(Chasse) Meilleur 117 230 August 29,1880 April 16,1998
Sarah (Clark) Knauss 119 97 September 24,1880 December 30,1999
Eva (Sharpe) Morris 114 360 November 8,1885 November 2,2000
Marie Marthe Augustine
(Mesange) Bremont 115 42 April 25,1886 June 6,2001
Ella (Allison) Gantt 114 332 November 30,1886 October 28,2001
[SSA says maiden name Alexander and born two years later,
six months before a brother]
Maud (Davis) Farris
Luse 115 56 January 21,1887 March 18,2002
Kamato Hongo 116 45 September 16,1887 October 31,2003
Mitoyo Kawate 114 182 May 15,1889 November 13,2003
Ramona Trinidad
(Iglesias y Jordan de)
Soler 114 271 September 1,1889 May 29,2004
Maria Esther (Heredia
Lecaro) Capovilla 116 347 September 14,1889 August 27,2006
Elizabeth (Jones)
Bolden 116 118 August 15,1890 December 11,2006
Emiliano Mercado
Del Toro 115 156 August 21,1891 January 24,2007
Emma Fanchon (Faust)
Tillman 114 67 November 22,1892 January 28,2007
Yone Minagawa 114 221 January 4,1893 August 13,2007
Edna Ruth (Scott)
Parker 115 220 April 20,1893 November 26,2008
Maria (de Jesus) dos
Santos 115 114 September 10,1893 January 2,2009
Gertrude Baines 115 158 April 6,1894 September 11,2009
Kama Chinen 114 357 May 10,1895 May 2,2010
Anne Eugenie Blanchard 114 261 February 16,1896 November 4,2010
Maria Gomes Valentim 114 347 July 9,1896 June 21,2011
Besse Berry (Brown)
Cooper 116 100 August 26,1896 December 4,2012
Dina (Guerri)
Manfredini 115 257 April 4,1897 December 17,2012
Jiroemon Kimura 116 54 April 19,1897 June 12,2013
Misawo (Aoki) Okawa 117 27 March 5,1898 April 1,2015
Gertrude Weaver 116 c. 345 April 1898 April 6,2015
[Month in census report,family celebrated birthday July 4]
Susannah (Mushatt)
Jones 116 311 July 6,1899 May 12,2016
[Authenticated by New England Centenarian Study from census data]
Emma Martina Luigia
(Morano) Martinuzzi 117 137 November 29,1899 April 15,2017
Violet Henrietta
(Moss) Brown 117 189 March 10,1900 September 15,2017
Nabi Tajima 117 260 August 4,1900 April 21,2018
Chiyo Miyako 117 81 May 2,1901 July 22,2018
Kane (Ota) Tanaka 119 107 January 2,1903 April 19,2022
Lucille Randon (Sister
Andre) 118 340 February 11,1904 January 17,2023
Maria Branyas Morera 116 104+ March 4,1907 STILL ALIVE 6/16/2023

....and the oldest people ever,showing their current and
historic all-time ranks among the documented:

RANKED TAGGED BY PEAK AGE RANK
Current rank is followed by age rank at death,which is
also chronological order of reaching age at death
Dates are formatted YYYY.M.DD with month given by one
character 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,O,N,D and final +
indicating living persons

Rank/Peak Name Years Days Born Died
1/1 Jeanne Louise Calment 122 164 1875.2.21 1997.8.4
2/2 Kane (Ota) Tanaka 119 107 1903.1.2 2022.4.19
3/2 Sarah DeRemer
(Clark) Knauss 119 97 1880.9.24 1999.D.30
4/4 Lucille Randon (Sister
Andre) 118 340 1904.2.11 2023.1.17
5/3 Nabi Tajima 117 260 1900.8.4 2018.4.21
6/2 Marie Louise Febronie
(Chasse) Meilleur 117 230 1880.8.29 1998.4.16
7/4 Violet Henrietta
(Moss) Brown 117 189 1900.3.10 2017.9.15
8/4 Emma Martina Luigia
(Morano) Martinuzzi 117 137 1899.N.29 2017.4.15
9/7 Chiyo Miyako 117 81 1901.5.2 2018.7.22
10/4 Misawo Okawa 117 27 1898.3.5 2015.4.1
11/4 Maria Esther (Heredia
Lecaro) Capovilla 116 347 1889.9.14 2006.8.27
12/6 Gertrude (Gaines)
Weaver 116 c. 345 1898.4.? 2015.4.6
[Month in census report,family celebrated birthday July 4]
13/6 Susannah (Mushatt)
Jones 116 311 1899.7.6 2016.5.12
[Authenticated by New England Centenarian Study from census data]
14/2 Tane Ikai 116 175 1879.1.18 1995.7.12
15/6 Elizabeth (Jones)
Bolden 116 118 1890.8.15 2006.D.11
16/16 Maria Branyas Morera 116 104+ 1907.3.4 2023.6.16+
17/7 Besse Berry (Brown)
Cooper 116 100 1896.8.26 2012.D.4
18/16 Maria Giuseppa
(Robucci) Nargiso 116 90 1903.3.20 2019.6.18
19/8 Jiroemon Kimura 116 54 1897.4.19 2013.6.12
20/16 Ana Maria Vela Rubio 116 47 1901.O.29 2017.D.15
21/5 Kamato Hongo 116 45 1887.9.16 2003.O.31
[Records inconsistent on birth year,possibly younger]
22/18 Giuseppina (Projetto)
Frau 116 37 1902.5.30 2018.7.6
23/23 Fusa (Taniura) Tatsumi 116 4+ 1907.4.25 2023.4.29+
24/22 Shigeo Nakachi 115 345 1905.2.1 2021.1.11
25/5 Maggie Pauline
(Hinnant) Barnes 115 319 1882.3.6 1998.1.19
26/10 Dina (Guerri)
Manfredini 115 257 1897.4.4 2012.D.17
27/23 Shimoe Akiyama 115 255 1903.5.19 2019.1.29
28/6 Christian Mortensen 115 252 1882.8.16 1998.4.25
29/2 Charlotte Marion
(Milburn) Hughes 115 228 1877.8.1 1993.3.17
30/10 Edna Ruth (Scott)
Parker 115 220 1893.4.20 2008.N.26
31/7 Mary Ann (Dormer)
Rhodes 115 203 1882.8.12 1998.3.3
32/20 Harumi Nakamura 115 196 1900.3.15 2015.9.27
33/3 Margaret (Seward)
Skeete 115 192 1878.O.27 1994.5.7
34/21 Bernice (Emerson)
Madigan 115 163 1899.7.24 2015.1.3
[authentication by New England Centenarian Study]
35/14 Gertrude Baines 115 158 1894.4.6 2009.9.11
36/8 Anitica Butariu 115 157 1882.6.17 1997.N.21
37/13 Emiliano Mercado
Del Toro 115 156 1891.8.21 2007.1.24
38/14 Bettie Antry
Rutherford) Wilson 115 153 1890.9.13 2006.2.13
39/36 Shin Matsushita 115 150 1904.3.30 2019.8.27
40/16 Julie Winnefred
Bertrand 115 124 1891.9.16 2007.1.18
41/17 Maria (de Jesus) dos
Santos 115 114 1893.9.10 2009.1.2
42/33 Marie Josephine Clarice
Gaudette 115 110 1902.3.25 2017.7.13
43/15 Susie Elizabeth (Potts)
Gibson 115 108 1890.O.31 2006.2.16
44/1 Augusta Louise (Hoppe)
Holtz 115 79 1871.8.3 1986.O.21
45/13 Hendrikje (Schipper)
Van Andel 115 62 1890.6.29 2005.8.30
46/12 Maud (Davis) Farris
Luse 115 56 1887.1.21 2002.3.18
[there is reportedly an 1888 birth record saying February 21 1887]
47/44 Mina Kitagawa 115 46 1905.N.3 2020.D.19
48/12 Marie Marthe Augustine
(Mesange) Lemaitre
Bremont 115 42 1886.4.25 2001.6.6
49/47 Yoshi Otsunari 115 40 1906.D.17 2022.1.26
50/28 Koto Okubo 115 19 1897.D.24 2013.1.12
51/26 Chiyono Hasegawa 115 12 1896.N.20 2011.D.2
52/12 Annie (Thomas) Jennings 115 8 1884.N.12 1999.N.20
53/13 Eva (Sharpe) Morris 114 360 1885.N.8 2000.N.2
54/27 Kama Chinen 114 357 1895.5.10 2010.5.2
55/8 Mary Electa Bidwell 114 352 1881.5.9 1996.4.25
56/29 Maria Gomes Valentim 114 347 1896.7.9 2011.6.21
57/17 Ella (Allison) Gantt 114 332 1886.N.30 2001.O.28
[SSA says maiden name Alexander and born two years later,
six months before a brother]
58/58 Kahoru Furuya 114 310 1908.2.18 2022.D.25
59/59 Matsu Gaja 114 c. 300 1908.2.? 2022.D.25
60/30 Josephine Mary
(Arsenault) Ray 114 294 1895.5.17 2010.3.7
61/45 Kiyoko Ishiguro 114 276 1901.3.4 2015.D.5
62/23 Maria (do Couto Maia)
Lopes 114 274 1890.O.24 2005.7.25
63/19 Ramona Trinidad
(Iglesias y Jordan de)
Soler 114 271 1889.9.1 2004.5.29
64/51 Yukie Hino 114 271 1902.4.17 2017.1.13
65/33 Anne Eugenie Blanchard 114 261 1896.2.16 2010.N.4
66/37 Venere Ires (Pizzinato)
Papo 114 251 1896.N.23 2011.8.2
67/31 Neva (Freed) Morris 114 246 1895.8.3 2010.4.6
68/7 Hide Ohira 114 236 1880.9.15 1995.5.9
69/1 Mathew Beard 114 222 1870.7.9 1985.2.16
[SSA study age is not clearly supported in available records]
70/29 Yone Minagawa 114 221 1893.1.4 2007.8.13
71/10 Carrie Lou (Jenkins)
Lazenby 114 218 1882.2.9 1996.9.14
[some records indicate birth in May]
72/26 Ura Koyama 114 218 1890.8.30 2005.4.5
73/18 Myrtle (Burkmier)
Dorsey 114 216 1885.N.22 2000.6.25
[authentication by New England Centenarian Study]
74/72 Yoshi Baba 114 215 1907.6.3 2022.1.4
75/64 Iso Nakamura 114 214 1903.4.23 2017.N.23
76/3 Anna Eliza (Davies)
Williams 114 208 1873.6.2 1987.D.27
77/44 Walter Breuning 114 205 1896.9.21 2011.4.14
78/71 Haruno Yamashita 114 196+ 1905.2.19 2019.9.4+
[apparently died that month]
79/43 Eunice Allen (Lyons)
Orchin Garrett
Sanborn 114 195 1896.7.20 2011.1.31
[some records inconsistent on name]
80/24 Grace McCalmont
(Taylor) Clawson 114 194 1887.N.15 2002.5.28
81/63 Mitsue Toyoda 114 192 1902.2.15 2016.8.25
82/17 Tase Matsunaga 114 191 1884.5.11 1998.N.18
83/76 Kame Ganeko 114 191 1905.4.10 2019.O.18
84/26 Yukichi Chuganji 114 189 1889.3.23 2003.9.28
85/55 Kame Nakamura 114 188 1898.3.8 2012.9.12
86/5 Noemie Lydia "Lydie"
(Hudebine) Vellard 114 183 1875.3.18 1989.9.17
87/9 Wilhelmina (Geringer)
Kott 114 183 1880.3.7 1994.9.6
[some records say born 1879,used by Guinness but dropped 2013 edition]
88/28 Adelina (Engargiola)
Domingues 114 183 1888.2.19 2002.8.21
89/30 Mitoyo Kawate 114 182 1889.5.15 2003.N.13
90/33 Charlotte (Enterlein)
Benkner 114 180 1889.N.16 2004.5.14
91/42 Camille Blanche
(Loiseau) Chadal 114 180 1892.2.13 2006.8.12
92/38 Angele "Anne" (Dupont)
Primout 114 172 1890.O.5 2005.3.26
93/7 Ettie Mae (Thomas)
Greene 114 171 1877.9.8 1992.2.26
[Age as in Guinness,but birth record reportedly says September 19]
94/87 Geertje Kuijntjes 114 158 1905.7.19 2019.D.23
95/74 Toshie Yorimitsu 114 151 1901.9.30 2016.2.28
96/15 Frances Irene Frank 114 150 1881.O.1 1996.2.28
97/30 Christina (Clay) Cock 114 148 1887.D.25 2002.5.22
98/53 Olive Patricia
(Trevellyan) Thomas 114 140 1895.6.29 2009.N.16
99/86 Tae Ito 114 125 1903.7.11 2017.N.13
100/94 Hama Yasukawa 114 124 1907.1.19 2021.5.23
101/38 Emma Verona (Calhoun)
Johnston 114 117 1890.8.6 2004.D.1
102/9 Odie (Sears) Matthews 114 107 1878.D.28 1993.4.14
103/54 Chiyo Shiraishi 114 105 1895.8.6 2009.N.19
104/103 Tomiko Itooka 114 100+ 1908.5.23 2022.8.31+
105/22 Asa Takii 114 94 1884.4.28 1998.7.31
106/4 Florence Knapp 114 93 1873.O.10 1988.1.11
107/22 Lucy Jane Askew 114 92 1883.9.8 1997.D.9
108/31 Mary Anna (Lush) Boone 114 92 1887.2.10 2001.5.13
109/39 Elena (Rodenbaugh)
Proctor Slough 114 89 1889.7.8 2003.O.5
110/9 Waka Shirahama 114 85 1878.3.23 1992.6.16
111/73 Delma Dorothie (Lowman)
Kollar 114 85 1897.O.31 2012.1.24
[some early records say born 1898]
112/88 Matsuyo Kageyama 114 83+ 1901.O.10 2016.1.?
[apparently deceased by February 2016]
113/98 Honorine Jeanne Marie
(Cadoret) Rondello 114 83 1903.7.28 2017.O.19
114/107 Osugi Sogou 114 83 1905.8.13 2019.N.4
115/45 Joan Riudavets 114 81 1889.D.15 2004.3.5
116/100 Ila Arminda (Stargel)
Sewell Jones 114 81 1903.8.21 2017.N.10
117/25 Suekiku Miyanaga 114 74 1884.4.7 1998.6.20
118/72 Shige Hirooka 114 72 1897.1.16 2011.3.29
119/66 Maggie May (Thornton)
Renfro 114 69 1895.N.14 2010.1.22
120/57 Emma Fanchon (Faust)
Tillman 114 67 1892.N.22 2007.1.28
121/80 Leila Alice (Daughtry)
Denmark 114 61 1898.2.1 2012.4.2
122/98 Adele (Henderson)
Dunlap 114 55 1902.D.12 2017.2.5
123/115 Anne (Later)Brasz 114 48 1906.7.16 2020.9.2
124/69 Florence Emily (Davies)
Baldwin 114 38 1896.3.31 2010.5.8
125/125 Hide Hamabe 114 38 1908.D.3 2023.1.10
[surname has been rendered inconsistently over the years]
126/35 Amy Isabel (Matthews)
Hulmes 114 22 1887.O.5 2001.O.27
127/110 Tomoe Iwata 114 19 1904.3.25 2018.4.13
128/55 Grace (Menges) Thaxton 114 18 1891.6.18 2005.7.6
[Possibly born June 19th,according to family]
129/113 Tane Yonekura 114 17 1904.5.2 2018.5.19
130/30 Minnie Bell
(Smith) Ward 114 13 1885.N.19 1999.D.2
[authentication by New England Centenarian Study]
131/120 Kura Bingo 114 11 1905.O.20 2019.O.31
132/64 Arbella (Perkins) Ewing 114 9 1894.3.13 2008.3.22
133/66 Catherine Helen
(Dahlheimer) Hagel 114 8 1894.N.28 2008.D.6
134/116 Yoshiyo Bessho 114 7 1904.4.1 2018.4.8
135/89 Marie-Therese (Jegat)
Bardet 114 6 1898.6.2 2012.6.8
136/59 Virginia (Dighero)
Zolezzi 114 4 1891.D.24 2005.D.28
137/137 Juan Vicente Perez Mora 114 + 1909.5.27 2023.5.27+
138/80 Ida Louise (Gordon)
Stewart 113 364 1896.N.13 2010.N.12
139/94 Maria (Redaelli)
Granoli 113 364 1899.4.3 2013.4.2
140/55 Fred Harold Hale 113 354 1890.D.1 2004.N.19
141/96 Hatsue Ono 113 352 1898.O.31 2012.O.17
142/28 Yasu Akino 113 348 1885.3.1 1999.2.12
143/67 Bertha (Vanosdol) Fry 113 348 1893.D.1 2007.N.14
144/43 Mary Agnes "Mae"
(Maxwell) Harrington 113 343 1889.1.20 2002.D.29
145/79 Daisey (Flowers) Bailey 113 342 1896.3.30 2010.3.7
146/37 Agatha (Wright)
Mitchell 113 336 1887.3.26 2001.2.25
147/116 Goldie (Corash)
Michaelson 113 335 1902.8.8 2016.7.8
148/144 Nahi Yonamine 113 335 1908.3.9 2022.2.7
149/130 Olive Evelyn (Macro)
Boar 113 334 1904.9.29 2018.8.28
150/125 Yisrael Kristal 113 330 1903.9.15 2017.8.11
151/36 Clara (Herling) Huhn 113 327 1887.1.28 2000.D.20
152/68 Corinne (Dixon) Taylor 113 318 1893.4.2 2007.2.14
153/152 Shinobu Hayashi 113 316 1909.3.15 2023.1.25
154/47 Mary Dorothy
(Perry) Christian 113 312 1889.6.12 2003.4.20
155/34 Luce Euphrasie Maced 113 299 1886.5.2 2000.2.25
156/144 Sayo Taminato 113 297 1906.O.15 2020.8.7
157/143 Kimi Asanuma 113 292 1905.N.3 2019.8.22
158/13 Rosa Ann (Dossett)
Comfort 113 290 1879.1.21 1992.N.6
159/102 Marcelle (Narbonne) Roy 113 282 1898.3.25 2012.1.1
160/77 Tsuneyo Toyonaga 113 277 1894.5.21 2008.2.22
161/63 Anne Adele Samson 113 276 1891.2.27 2004.N.29
162/30 Johnson Parks 113 275 1884.O.15 1998.7.17
163/47 Beatrice Flora
(McPherson) Mears 113 274 1888.3.4 2001.D.3
164/87 Tomoji Tanabe 113 274 1895.9.18 2009.6.19
165/1 Fannie Leona Thomas 113 273 1867.4.24 1981.1.22
[by some reports ten days older]
166/115 Mitsue Nagasaki 113 272 1899.9.18 2013.6.17
167/50 Mary L. Parr 113 270 1889.2.1 2002.O.29
[by some reports three days older]
168/84 Beatrice (Scarlett)
Farve 113 264 1895.4.30 2009.1.19
169/30 Amalia (Ruggieri)
Barone 113 263 1884.O.6 1998.6.26
170/136 Shizue Nagata 113 262 1903.7.25 2017.4.13
171/83 Marie-Clementine
Judithe (Veyrac)
Solignac 113 261 1894.9.7 2008.5.25
172/15 Zora (Gray) Wriggle 113 256 1880.2.24 1993.N.7
173/143 Hatsuno Goto 113 256 1903.9.1 2017.5.15
174/56 John Ingram McMorran 113 250 1889.6.19 2003.2.24
[authenticated by New England Centenarian Study]
175/148 Tsurue Amou 113 250 1904.3.1 2017.N.6
176/113 Maria Isabel
(Rodriguez) Diaz 113 249 1898.2.22 2011.O.29
177/4 Mary Elizabeth
(Wallace) McKinney 113 248 1873.5.30 1987.2.2
178/167 Katsue Kurimoto 113 247 1907.3.20 2020.N.22
179/110 Ella (Winkelmann)
Schuler 113 244 1897.9.5 2011.5.7
180/2 Anna Maude (Fahey)
Murphy 113 242 1867.4.25 1980.D.22
181/79 Marguerite Gladys
Swetland 113 240 1892.4.18 2005.D.14
182/158 Hisa Arai 113 236 1904.9.10 2018.5.4
183/84 Shitsu Nakano 113 230 1894.1.1 2007.8.19
184/47 Mary Randall 113 225 1887.4.1 2000.N.12
185/167 Misao Uemura 113 c. 225 1905.N.7 2019.6.?
186/1 Delina (Ecker) Filkins 113 214 1815.5.4 1928.D.4
187/31 Maria del Carmen
Figueiro Freiria
(de Rodriguez) 113 209 1883.O.28 1997.5.25
188/18 Lillian Ross 113 208 1879.8.24 1993.3.20
189/2 Martha Mary (Young)
Kelly 113 206 1851.6.7 1964.D.30
190/190 Shina Seki 113 206 1909.O.1 2023.4.25
191/101 Manuela (Fernandez
Fojaco) Menendez 113 202 1895.6.18 2009.1.6
192/170 Tsukimi Kishi 113 200 1905.8.31 2019.3.19
193/85 Lucy Victoria (D'Souza)
d'Abreu 113 197 1892.5.24 2005.D.7
194/51 Nelle Margaret (Helton)
Hunt 113 195 1887.7.28 2001.2.8
[authenticated by New England Centenarian Study;SSA skeptical]
195/91 Helen Caroline Stetter 113 195 1893.N.18 2007.6.1
196/58 Germaine (Germain) Haye 113 190 1888.O.10 2002.4.18
197/24 Mary (Redeske) Curley 113 189 1880.N.21 1994.5.29
[SSA says two years younger but this age is consistently
supported by documents]
198/53 Carrie C. (Smith)
Hardrick 113 189 1887.N.6 2001.5.14
199/95 Marie-Simone Capony 113 185 1894.3.14 2007.9.15
200/7 Mamie Eva (Walter)
Keith 113 182 1873.3.22 1986.9.20
[by some reports born March 27th]

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On 7/30/2023 9:52 PM, Thomas Joseph wrote:
> [snippage]
>
> The stats are interesting. There are almost 90,000
> living people over 100 years of age in our world.
> Come to think of it, that's not many - less than I
> thought it would be.

Far fewer than I would imagine even in just the U.S.
And here's an article about just one remarkable one
of them I'm privileged to have in my life:

https://now.tufts.edu/2023/03/01/tufts-dental-she-stood-alone-she-went-become-outstanding

Because of her extreme modesty and self-effacement
that is more than has ever been printed about her
publicly before. The only other item available is
https://dental.nyu.edu/aboutus/news/nexus/winter-2004/dr-esther-colchamiro.html

(Oh, and I know her because I've been helping her
family raise the great-granddaughter mentioned
and pictured with Dr C in the first article [who
lost her mother and 30% of her brain in a car
crash as an infant] since she was dropped into
my lap at three years old.)

David Samuel Barr <dsbarr@mindspring.com> wrote:
> On 7/30/2023 9:52 PM, Thomas Joseph wrote:
>> [snippage]
>>
>> The stats are interesting. There are almost 90,000
>> living people over 100 years of age in our world.

Actually that number is rather low,I think Japan alone
has a number in five figures.

>> Come to think of it, that's not many - less than I
>> thought it would be.
>
> Far fewer than I would imagine even in just the U.S.
> And here's an article about just one remarkable one
> of them I'm privileged to have in my life:
>
> https://now.tufts.edu/2023/03/01/tufts-dental-she-stood-alone-she-went-become-outstanding
>
> Because of her extreme modesty and self-effacement
> that is more than has ever been printed about her
> publicly before. The only other item available is
> https://dental.nyu.edu/aboutus/news/nexus/winter-2004/dr-esther-colchamiro.html
>
> (Oh, and I know her because I've been helping her
> family raise the great-granddaughter mentioned
> and pictured with Dr C in the first article [who
> lost her mother and 30% of her brain in a car
> crash as an infant] since she was dropped into
> my lap at three years old.)
Presumably the dropping was not random?

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

On 7/31/2023 2:35 PM, Louis Epstein wrote:
> David Samuel Barr <dsbarr@mindspring.com> wrote:
>> On 7/30/2023 9:52 PM, Thomas Joseph wrote:
>>> [serious snippage]
>>
>> (Oh, and I know her because I've been helping her
>> family raise the great-granddaughter mentioned
>> and pictured with Dr C in the first article [who
>> lost her mother and 30% of her brain in a car
>> crash as an infant] since she was dropped into
>> my lap at three years old.)
>
> Presumably the dropping was not random?

Not at all. She was being walked around our
synagogue during services by one of the other
men there (her legs are functional but she
can't stand or walk on her own) and as she
passed me (I was sitting in the back minding
my own business as usual) she suddenly stopped
and stared at me. After this went on for
several seconds and she showed no signs of
wanting to walk away her escort picked her up,
put her in my lap and left. Faced with this
unexpected visitor (still staring at me) I
tried a few little hand games which I used
with children friends of mine had recently
had and got no response. I then tried some
things which my severely autistic nephew had
responded to when he was that age some 15
years earlier and did get a reaction. "OK,
this I know how to deal with", I thought,
although I didn't learn about her actual
condition (the TBI from the accident, not
congenital autism) until months later. As
weeks went on I continued to play with her
there and she quickly won me over. (I could
go on for many pages about the last 13 years
with her but I'll stop here for everyone's
sake; suffice to say that she completely
changed my life and I love her as if she
were my own.)

> Thomas Joseph <jazee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 3:00:58?PM UTC-4, Louis Epstein wrote:

> > What's amazing to me - maybe it shouldn't be -
> > are the astronomical odds against any of them
> > making it another 15 years. Forget the centenarians.
> Most who reach 100 do not reach 102.
> When you get to 110 and up (my particular area of study)
> one has about a 25% chance of being dead in six months,
> 50% of being dead in a year,and 90% of being dead in 3-3.5 years.

<Old People future corpse list <snipped> - sorry Louis, I wanted to
get to them before Father Time steps in>

Whew. Thank God that was not a list of everyone who ever
died. No matter how often I look at the data I still find it amazing.
Maybe not as amazing as when I first latched on to the subject. I
enjoyed your lists of odds within the odds, such as the odds of a
100 year old person making it another year - or two - or a month or
a week or even a day (although there's something anti-climactic
about just one day). It's like a tote board at the race track or in Vegas.
I know odds are odds and it's all math, but some proposition bets seem
like better than others, especially if you've got inside information.

As for others chiming into this great thread, I'm sorry, been in
bed a few days and am heading back. I will respond later. I
am not sick. Not physically anyway. I see The Rifleman finally
checked out. The big gun couldn't save him this time.

Thomas Joseph responds
and part-way apologizes to Louis
Epstein for <clipping> his future corpse data:

I thought there might be at least several million centenarians
living in today's world. So it naturally followed I was amazed to
learn there are only 90,000. Out of 8 billion! But the more I think
about it the less amazing it is.

Another startling bit of data that wowed me at first, but less
the more I thought about it, are the number of humans who
have died vs the 8 billion living today. When I say today I
mean now, this very second. Here comes the future - and
whoops, there it goes. A snap judgement would have propelled
me to bet there are more people alive today than have ever died.
I would have lost that bet. Big.

It seemed to make sense until I took our living history
into account, not our distant past alone. But it's not those
living today vs the dead of the distant past alone, it's the past
in all it's brazen 'in your face' glory. The past is happening right
now. For instance, of appoximately 8 billion future corpses alive
today, how many are going to die this year alone? How many have
died since I started writing this post? How many have died from
reading it? I wish I knew.

It's an incremental thang, Dr. Death-Data-Dude. It builds and builds.
The stats seem not so amazing once I give them thought. What's
amazing to me (and becoming rapidly less so), is, "Like wow
dude - the past is happening right now!"

Like wow!

Louis, I did some data searching using my own caveman approach.
There was a time I knew quite a few people 100 or over. Today I
don't know any. But my brother knows one. In fact it's hard to meet
anyone who doesn't at least know someone who knows someone
who knows someone over 100.

My brother lives in Jacksonville - population, close to 1 million.
So on the basis of only 90,000 centenarians living today I did
some quick basic math and the stats as written make sense.

Divide 100,00 (round number), into 1 million. That's 10. There
are 1,000 millions in 1 billion. So that would come out to about
10,000 for every billion - of which there are 8 throughout the world.
This comes out to roughly 80,000 which is close to the number
of living centenarians worldwide today. Still it's a way lower number
than I would have thought.

I know a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy who
knows a guy who knows a 100 year old woman. 5 degrees
of death!

Thomas Joseph <jazeev1234@gmail.com> wrote:
> Louis, I did some data searching using my own caveman approach.
> There was a time I knew quite a few people 100 or over. Today I
> don't know any. But my brother knows one. In fact it's hard to meet
> anyone who doesn't at least know someone who knows someone
> who knows someone over 100.
>
> My brother lives in Jacksonville - population, close to 1 million.
> So on the basis of only 90,000 centenarians living today I did
> some quick basic math and the stats as written make sense.
>
> Divide 100,00 (round number), into 1 million. That's 10. There
> are 1,000 millions in 1 billion. So that would come out to about
> 10,000 for every billion - of which there are 8 throughout the world.
> This comes out to roughly 80,000 which is close to the number
> of living centenarians worldwide today. Still it's a way lower number
> than I would have thought.

Life expectancies are uneven.

That number you use is on the low end of estimates for
100-plus though I only make a study of 110-plus.
> I know a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy who
> knows a guy who knows a 100 year old woman. 5 degrees
> of death!

I have been to a 113th and a 114th birthday party.

In 2000 was able to pass a question to and get an answer from
a cousin twice removed (mother's mother's mother's brother's
daughter) who was born in 1897 and died in 2001 verifying
that she remembered her father's mother's father
(my mother's mother's mother's mother's father) who
was born in 1808 and died in 1906.

On my 110+ lists are two people who lived in adjacent
provinces of the Netherlands...a man who was born in
1788 and died in 1899 and a woman born in 1890 who died
in 2005.
There's no evidence that they ever met,but if they had,
someone alive in the 21st century could have heard about
the 18th from someone who was there.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 6:49:55 PM UTC-4, Louis Epstein wrote:
> Thomas Joseph <jazee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Louis, I did some data searching using my own caveman approach.
> > There was a time I knew quite a few people 100 or over. Today I
> > don't know any. But my brother knows one. In fact it's hard to meet
> > anyone who doesn't at least know someone who knows someone
> > who knows someone over 100.
> >
> > My brother lives in Jacksonville - population, close to 1 million.
> > So on the basis of only 90,000 centenarians living today I did
> > some quick basic math and the stats as written make sense.
> >
> > Divide 100,00 (round number), into 1 million. That's 10. There
> > are 1,000 millions in 1 billion. So that would come out to about
> > 10,000 for every billion - of which there are 8 throughout the world.
> > This comes out to roughly 80,000 which is close to the number
> > of living centenarians worldwide today. Still it's a way lower number
> > than I would have thought.
> Life expectancies are uneven.
>
> That number you use is on the low end of estimates for
> 100-plus though I only make a study of 110-plus.
> > I know a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy who
> > knows a guy who knows a 100 year old woman. 5 degrees
> > of death!
> I have been to a 113th and a 114th birthday party.
>
> In 2000 was able to pass a question to and get an answer from
> a cousin twice removed (mother's mother's mother's brother's
> daughter) who was born in 1897 and died in 2001 verifying
> that she remembered her father's mother's father
> (my mother's mother's mother's mother's father) who
> was born in 1808 and died in 1906.
>
> On my 110+ lists are two people who lived in adjacent
> provinces of the Netherlands...a man who was born in
> 1788 and died in 1899 and a woman born in 1890 who died
> in 2005.
> There's no evidence that they ever met,but if they had,
> someone alive in the 21st century could have heard about
> the 18th from someone who was there.

> I have been to a 113th and a 114th birthday party.

Sounds like the farewell tour.

Oh I am aware that life expectancies are uneven. Also, some
people love to boast that the life expectancy is higher now than
ever in history. They make it sound like everyone died in their
30s back in the 1800s. But as you know when the infant mortality
rate plummeted it affected life expectancy in a big way.

You are correct regarding the 21st to 18th century communication.
It could happen. But in the end all we're going to get is the world
as viewed by two people who may have been extremely unobservant.
I remember as a kid talking with lots of people who were born in
the 1800s, but of course that's no big deal compared to your 2
degrees of separation story. Point is, no matter what century it
is, people are going to die - over and over and over again. God dammit.

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