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 by: Mitchell Holman - Tue, 17 May 2022 13:37 UTC

Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in news:chine.bleu-
0A5A32.04280917052022@news.eternal-september.org:

> In article <Iv6dnYN-uokeHR7_nZ2dnUU7-V-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 5/17/22 03:35, super70s wrote:
>> > In article <2d2dnVZfeOZpiB7_nZ2dnUU7-UWdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>> > David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 5/16/22 22:22, Siri Cruise wrote:
>> >>> In article <yf2dnYE_acwAkh7_nZ2dnUU7-Q-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>> >>> David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> On 5/16/22 19:10, Blue Lives Matter wrote:
>> >>>>> Good for DeSantis.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Absolutely.
>> >>>
>> >>> No criticism of the people who started this?
>> >>
>> >> You mean the pro abortion Democrats?
>> >
>> > Your whacko evangelical side has been shooting abortion doctors in
the
>> > back for 40 years.
>>
>> Exactly how many abortion doctors have been shot?
>
> 'Yes......but.....'
>

Just like school shootings no number will
be high enough for Hartung to care.

PENSACOLA, FL - March 10, 1993.
Dr. David Gunn was shot and killed
while entering a clinic during an
anti-abortion demonstration by
Rescue America. Michael Griffin
was sentenced to life.

HOUSTON, TX - 1991. Dr. Karpen was
shot and wounded outside his clinic.
Assailant was never apprehended.

WICHITA, KANSAS - August 19, 1993.
Dr. George Tiller was shot in both
arms at point-blank range by Rachelle
Shelley Shannon as he was leaving
his clinic. Shannon was sentenced to
11 years.

MOBILE, AL - August 21, 1993
Dr. George Patterson is shot to death
in a parking lot

PENSACOLA, FL - July, 1994.
Dr. John Bayard Britton and
volunteer clinic escort Lt Col.
James Barrett were murdered by
anti-abortion extremist Paul Hill

VANCOUVER, CANADA - November 8,
1994. Dr. Garson Romalis was shot
and severely wounded in the leg
by a sniper with a high powered
rifle shooting through the window
of Romalis' home. James Charles
Kopp, a member of the Army of God,
remains a primary suspect in the
assassination attempt.

BROOKLINE, MA - December 30, 1994.
John Salvi shot and killed Planned
Parenthood receptionist Shannon Lowney.
Going to a second clinic, he shot and
killed receptionist Leanne Nichols.
Five others were wounded in the attacks.

ANCASTER, ONTARIO - November 10, 1995.
Dr. Hugh Short was shot in the elbow
by a sniper using a high-powered rifle
to shoot through the window of Short's
home. Army of God member James Charles
Kopp charged in the assassination attempt.

NEW ORLEANS, LA - December 1996.
Dr C. Jackson was brutally stabbed
15 times outside his clinic. The
assailant was then arrested at a
Baton Rouge clinic as he lay in wait
for another doctor.

WINNIPEG, CANADA - November 11, 1997,
Dr. Jack Fainman was shot by a sniper
with a high powered rifle while in his
home.

ROCHESTER, NY - October 28, 1997.
Dr. David Gandell was wounded by flying
glass when a sniper with a high powered
rifle shot into his home.

BIRMINGHAM, AL - January 29, 1998.
A bomb packed with nails exploded at
the New Woman, All Women clinic killing
the security guard and maiming a clinic
nurse. Army of God claimed credit in
letter to news media. Eric Robert Rudolph
was charged

AMHERST, NY - October 23, 1998.
Dr. Barnett Slepian was shot and killed
by a sniper with a high powered rifle
while standing with his wife and children
in the kitchen of his home.

VANCOUVER, CANADA - July 11, 2000.
Dr. Garson Romalis was stabbed in
the back

WICHITA, KS - May 31, 2009.
Dr. George Tiller, a longtime target
of anti-abortion extremists, was shot
and killed by a single gunshot to his
head.

COLORADO SPRINGS, CO - November 27, 2015.
Robert Lewis Dear killed three and injured
nine at a Planned Parenthood clinic in
Colorado Springs. Dear has been formally
charged with 179 felony counts, including
eight counts of first-degree murder and
131 counts of attempted first-degree murder.

https://tinyurl.com/4u5w4hpz

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On 5/16/2022 8:14 PM, David Hartung wrote:
> On 5/16/22 22:05, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 5/16/2022 7:59 PM, David Hartung wrote:
>>> On 5/16/22 19:10, Blue Lives Matter wrote:
>>>> On 16 May 2022 23:31:50 -0000, bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman)
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> |
>>>>> | Florida Governor Ron DeSantis signs bill banning "picketing
>>>>> | and protesting" outside a private residence
>>>>> | ...
>>>>> <https://www.cbsnews.com/news/protests-roe-v-wade-homes-florida-ron-desantis-ban/>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     --bks
>>>>>
>>>>> May 2022: The month that "Libertarians" were exposed.
>>>>
>>>> Good for DeSantis.
>>>
>>> Absolutely.
>>
>> It's unconstitutional and will be thrown out.
>
> Possible, but don't bet on it.

Guaranteed.

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 by: Rudy Canoza - Tue, 17 May 2022 13:43 UTC

On 5/16/2022 8:26 PM, David Hartung wrote:
> On 5/16/22 22:22, Siri Cruise wrote:
>> In article <yf2dnYE_acwAkh7_nZ2dnUU7-Q-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>   David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/16/22 19:10, Blue Lives Matter wrote:
>>>> On 16 May 2022 23:31:50 -0000, bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman)
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> |
>>>>> | Florida Governor Ron DeSantis signs bill banning "picketing
>>>>> | and protesting" outside a private residence
>>>>> | ...
>>>>> <https://www.cbsnews.com/news/protests-roe-v-wade-homes-florida-ron-desanti
>>>>> s-ban/>
>>>>>
>>>>>      --bks
>>>>>
>>>>> May 2022: The month that "Libertarians" were exposed.
>>>>
>>>> Good for DeSantis.
>>>
>>> Absolutely.
>>
>> No criticism of the people who started this?
>
> You mean the

Republiscums/QAnon. Yes.

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 by: David Hartung - Tue, 17 May 2022 13:47 UTC

On 5/17/22 08:37, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in news:chine.bleu-
> 0A5A32.04280917052022@news.eternal-september.org:
>
>> In article <Iv6dnYN-uokeHR7_nZ2dnUU7-V-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>> David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/17/22 03:35, super70s wrote:
>>>> In article <2d2dnVZfeOZpiB7_nZ2dnUU7-UWdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>> David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/16/22 22:22, Siri Cruise wrote:
>>>>>> In article <yf2dnYE_acwAkh7_nZ2dnUU7-Q-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>>>> David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5/16/22 19:10, Blue Lives Matter wrote:
>>>>>>>> Good for DeSantis.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Absolutely.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No criticism of the people who started this?
>>>>>
>>>>> You mean the pro abortion Democrats?
>>>>
>>>> Your whacko evangelical side has been shooting abortion doctors in
> the
>>>> back for 40 years.
>>>
>>> Exactly how many abortion doctors have been shot?
>>
>> 'Yes......but.....'
>>
>
> Just like school shootings no number will
> be high enough for Hartung to care.
>
>
>
>
>
> PENSACOLA, FL - March 10, 1993.
> Dr. David Gunn was shot and killed
> while entering a clinic during an
> anti-abortion demonstration by
> Rescue America. Michael Griffin
> was sentenced to life.
>
>
> HOUSTON, TX - 1991. Dr. Karpen was
> shot and wounded outside his clinic.
> Assailant was never apprehended.
>
>
> WICHITA, KANSAS - August 19, 1993.
> Dr. George Tiller was shot in both
> arms at point-blank range by Rachelle
> Shelley Shannon as he was leaving
> his clinic. Shannon was sentenced to
> 11 years.
>
>
> MOBILE, AL - August 21, 1993
> Dr. George Patterson is shot to death
> in a parking lot
>
>
> PENSACOLA, FL - July, 1994.
> Dr. John Bayard Britton and
> volunteer clinic escort Lt Col.
> James Barrett were murdered by
> anti-abortion extremist Paul Hill
>
>
> VANCOUVER, CANADA - November 8,
> 1994. Dr. Garson Romalis was shot
> and severely wounded in the leg
> by a sniper with a high powered
> rifle shooting through the window
> of Romalis' home. James Charles
> Kopp, a member of the Army of God,
> remains a primary suspect in the
> assassination attempt.
>
>
> BROOKLINE, MA - December 30, 1994.
> John Salvi shot and killed Planned
> Parenthood receptionist Shannon Lowney.
> Going to a second clinic, he shot and
> killed receptionist Leanne Nichols.
> Five others were wounded in the attacks.
>
>
> ANCASTER, ONTARIO - November 10, 1995.
> Dr. Hugh Short was shot in the elbow
> by a sniper using a high-powered rifle
> to shoot through the window of Short's
> home. Army of God member James Charles
> Kopp charged in the assassination attempt.
>
>
> NEW ORLEANS, LA - December 1996.
> Dr C. Jackson was brutally stabbed
> 15 times outside his clinic. The
> assailant was then arrested at a
> Baton Rouge clinic as he lay in wait
> for another doctor.
>
>
> WINNIPEG, CANADA - November 11, 1997,
> Dr. Jack Fainman was shot by a sniper
> with a high powered rifle while in his
> home.
>
>
> ROCHESTER, NY - October 28, 1997.
> Dr. David Gandell was wounded by flying
> glass when a sniper with a high powered
> rifle shot into his home.
>
>
> BIRMINGHAM, AL - January 29, 1998.
> A bomb packed with nails exploded at
> the New Woman, All Women clinic killing
> the security guard and maiming a clinic
> nurse. Army of God claimed credit in
> letter to news media. Eric Robert Rudolph
> was charged
>
>
> AMHERST, NY - October 23, 1998.
> Dr. Barnett Slepian was shot and killed
> by a sniper with a high powered rifle
> while standing with his wife and children
> in the kitchen of his home.
>
>
> VANCOUVER, CANADA - July 11, 2000.
> Dr. Garson Romalis was stabbed in
> the back
>
>
> WICHITA, KS - May 31, 2009.
> Dr. George Tiller, a longtime target
> of anti-abortion extremists, was shot
> and killed by a single gunshot to his
> head.
>
>
> COLORADO SPRINGS, CO - November 27, 2015.
> Robert Lewis Dear killed three and injured
> nine at a Planned Parenthood clinic in
> Colorado Springs. Dear has been formally
> charged with 179 felony counts, including
> eight counts of first-degree murder and
> 131 counts of attempted first-degree murder.
>
> https://tinyurl.com/4u5w4hpz

Now show that the mainstream of the pro-life movement has ever spoken
out in favor of these murders.

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On 5/17/2022 4:10 AM, David Hartung wrote:
> On 5/17/22 03:35, super70s wrote:
>> In article <2d2dnVZfeOZpiB7_nZ2dnUU7-UWdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>   David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/16/22 22:22, Siri Cruise wrote:
>>>> In article <yf2dnYE_acwAkh7_nZ2dnUU7-Q-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>>    David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/16/22 19:10, Blue Lives Matter wrote:
>>>>>> Good for DeSantis.
>>>>>
>>>>> Absolutely.
>>>>
>>>> No criticism of the people who started this?
>>>
>>> You mean the pro abortion Democrats?
>>
>> Your whacko evangelical side has been shooting abortion doctors in the
>> back for 40 years.
>
> While even one murder is too many,

You don't believe that. You defend it. You consider it "righteous" killing.
It's no different to you, "morally" [sic], than executing a murderer. Fuck off.

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On 5/17/2022 6:47 AM, David Hartung, filthy lying philandering white
supremacist, lied:

> On 5/17/22 08:37, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in news:chine.bleu-
>> 0A5A32.04280917052022@news.eternal-september.org:
>>
>>> In article <Iv6dnYN-uokeHR7_nZ2dnUU7-V-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>   David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/17/22 03:35, super70s wrote:
>>>>> David Hartung, filthy lying philandering white supremacist, lied:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/16/22 22:22, Siri Cruise wrote:
>>>>>>> David Hartung, filthy lying philandering white supremacist, lied:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 5/16/22 19:10, Blue Lives Matter wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Good for DeSantis.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Absolutely.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No criticism of the people who started this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You mean the pro abortion Democrats?
>>>>>
>>>>> Your whacko evangelical side has been shooting abortion doctors in
>> the
>>>>> back for 40 years.
>>>>
>>>> Exactly how many abortion doctors have been shot?
>>>
>>> 'Yes......but.....'
>>>
>>
>>       Just like school shootings no number will
>> be high enough for Hartung to care.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> PENSACOLA, FL - March 10, 1993.
>> Dr. David Gunn was shot and killed
>> while entering a clinic during an
>> anti-abortion demonstration by
>> Rescue America. Michael Griffin
>> was sentenced to life.
>>
>>
>> HOUSTON, TX - 1991. Dr. Karpen was
>> shot and wounded outside his clinic.
>> Assailant was never apprehended.
>>
>>
>> WICHITA, KANSAS - August 19, 1993.
>> Dr. George Tiller was shot in both
>> arms at point-blank range by Rachelle
>> Shelley Shannon as he was leaving
>> his clinic. Shannon was sentenced to
>> 11 years.
>>
>>
>> MOBILE, AL - August 21, 1993
>> Dr. George Patterson is shot to death
>> in a parking lot
>>
>>
>> PENSACOLA, FL - July, 1994.
>> Dr. John Bayard Britton and
>> volunteer clinic escort Lt Col.
>> James Barrett were murdered by
>> anti-abortion extremist Paul Hill
>>
>>
>> VANCOUVER, CANADA - November 8,
>> 1994. Dr. Garson Romalis was shot
>> and severely wounded in the leg
>> by a sniper with a high powered
>> rifle shooting through the window
>> of Romalis' home. James Charles
>> Kopp, a member of the Army of God,
>> remains a primary suspect in the
>> assassination attempt.
>>
>>
>> BROOKLINE, MA - December 30, 1994.
>> John Salvi shot and killed Planned
>> Parenthood receptionist Shannon Lowney.
>> Going to a second clinic, he shot and
>> killed receptionist Leanne Nichols.
>> Five others were wounded in the attacks.
>>
>>
>> ANCASTER, ONTARIO - November 10, 1995.
>> Dr. Hugh Short was shot in the elbow
>> by a sniper using a high-powered rifle
>> to shoot through the window of Short's
>> home. Army of God member James Charles
>> Kopp charged in the assassination attempt.
>>
>>
>> NEW ORLEANS, LA - December 1996.
>> Dr C. Jackson was brutally stabbed
>> 15 times outside his clinic. The
>> assailant was then arrested at a
>> Baton Rouge clinic as he lay in wait
>> for another doctor.
>>
>>
>> WINNIPEG, CANADA - November 11, 1997,
>> Dr. Jack Fainman was shot by a sniper
>> with a high powered rifle while in his
>> home.
>>
>>
>> ROCHESTER, NY - October 28, 1997.
>> Dr. David Gandell was wounded by flying
>> glass when a sniper with a high powered
>> rifle shot into his home.
>>
>>
>> BIRMINGHAM, AL - January 29, 1998.
>> A bomb packed with nails exploded at
>> the New Woman, All Women clinic killing
>> the security guard and maiming a clinic
>> nurse. Army of God claimed credit in
>> letter to news media. Eric Robert Rudolph
>> was charged
>>
>>
>> AMHERST, NY - October 23, 1998.
>> Dr. Barnett Slepian was shot and killed
>> by a sniper with a high powered rifle
>> while standing with his wife and children
>> in the kitchen of his home.
>>
>>
>> VANCOUVER, CANADA - July 11, 2000.
>> Dr. Garson Romalis was stabbed in
>> the back
>>
>>
>> WICHITA, KS - May 31, 2009.
>> Dr. George Tiller, a longtime target
>> of anti-abortion extremists, was shot
>> and killed by a single gunshot to his
>> head.
>>
>>
>> COLORADO SPRINGS, CO - November 27, 2015.
>> Robert Lewis Dear killed three and injured
>> nine at a Planned Parenthood clinic in
>> Colorado Springs. Dear has been formally
>> charged with 179 felony counts, including
>> eight counts of first-degree murder and
>> 131 counts of attempted first-degree murder.
>>
>> https://tinyurl.com/4u5w4hpz
>
> Now show that the mainstream of the pro-life movement has ever spoken out in
> favor of these murders.

The *core* of the phony "pro-life" movement supports the murder of abortion
providers.

https://www.vox.com/2015/12/10/9881238/pro-life-abortion-violence

Proved.

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On 5/17/22 09:21, Rudy Canoza wrote:
> On 5/17/2022 6:47 AM, David Hartung, filthy lying philandering white
> supremacist, lied:
>
>> On 5/17/22 08:37, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>> Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in news:chine.bleu-
>>> 0A5A32.04280917052022@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>
>>>> In article <Iv6dnYN-uokeHR7_nZ2dnUU7-V-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>>   David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/17/22 03:35, super70s wrote:
>>>>>> David Hartung, filthy lying philandering white supremacist, lied:
>>>>>>> On 5/16/22 22:22, Siri Cruise wrote:
>>>>>>>> David Hartung, filthy lying philandering white supremacist, lied:
>>>>>>>>> On 5/16/22 19:10, Blue Lives Matter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Good for DeSantis.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Absolutely.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No criticism of the people who started this?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You mean the pro abortion Democrats?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your whacko evangelical side has been shooting abortion doctors in
>>> the
>>>>>> back for 40 years.
>>>>>
>>>>> Exactly how many abortion doctors have been shot?
>>>>
>>>> 'Yes......but.....'
>>>>
>>>
>>>       Just like school shootings no number will
>>> be high enough for Hartung to care.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> PENSACOLA, FL - March 10, 1993.
>>> Dr. David Gunn was shot and killed
>>> while entering a clinic during an
>>> anti-abortion demonstration by
>>> Rescue America. Michael Griffin
>>> was sentenced to life.
>>>
>>>
>>> HOUSTON, TX - 1991. Dr. Karpen was
>>> shot and wounded outside his clinic.
>>> Assailant was never apprehended.
>>>
>>>
>>> WICHITA, KANSAS - August 19, 1993.
>>> Dr. George Tiller was shot in both
>>> arms at point-blank range by Rachelle
>>> Shelley Shannon as he was leaving
>>> his clinic. Shannon was sentenced to
>>> 11 years.
>>>
>>>
>>> MOBILE, AL - August 21, 1993
>>> Dr. George Patterson is shot to death
>>> in a parking lot
>>>
>>>
>>> PENSACOLA, FL - July, 1994.
>>> Dr. John Bayard Britton and
>>> volunteer clinic escort Lt Col.
>>> James Barrett were murdered by
>>> anti-abortion extremist Paul Hill
>>>
>>>
>>> VANCOUVER, CANADA - November 8,
>>> 1994. Dr. Garson Romalis was shot
>>> and severely wounded in the leg
>>> by a sniper with a high powered
>>> rifle shooting through the window
>>> of Romalis' home. James Charles
>>> Kopp, a member of the Army of God,
>>> remains a primary suspect in the
>>> assassination attempt.
>>>
>>>
>>> BROOKLINE, MA - December 30, 1994.
>>> John Salvi shot and killed Planned
>>> Parenthood receptionist Shannon Lowney.
>>> Going to a second clinic, he shot and
>>> killed receptionist Leanne Nichols.
>>> Five others were wounded in the attacks.
>>>
>>>
>>> ANCASTER, ONTARIO - November 10, 1995.
>>> Dr. Hugh Short was shot in the elbow
>>> by a sniper using a high-powered rifle
>>> to shoot through the window of Short's
>>> home. Army of God member James Charles
>>> Kopp charged in the assassination attempt.
>>>
>>>
>>> NEW ORLEANS, LA - December 1996.
>>> Dr C. Jackson was brutally stabbed
>>> 15 times outside his clinic. The
>>> assailant was then arrested at a
>>> Baton Rouge clinic as he lay in wait
>>> for another doctor.
>>>
>>>
>>> WINNIPEG, CANADA - November 11, 1997,
>>> Dr. Jack Fainman was shot by a sniper
>>> with a high powered rifle while in his
>>> home.
>>>
>>>
>>> ROCHESTER, NY - October 28, 1997.
>>> Dr. David Gandell was wounded by flying
>>> glass when a sniper with a high powered
>>> rifle shot into his home.
>>>
>>>
>>> BIRMINGHAM, AL - January 29, 1998.
>>> A bomb packed with nails exploded at
>>> the New Woman, All Women clinic killing
>>> the security guard and maiming a clinic
>>> nurse. Army of God claimed credit in
>>> letter to news media. Eric Robert Rudolph
>>> was charged
>>>
>>>
>>> AMHERST, NY - October 23, 1998.
>>> Dr. Barnett Slepian was shot and killed
>>> by a sniper with a high powered rifle
>>> while standing with his wife and children
>>> in the kitchen of his home.
>>>
>>>
>>> VANCOUVER, CANADA - July 11, 2000.
>>> Dr. Garson Romalis was stabbed in
>>> the back
>>>
>>>
>>> WICHITA, KS - May 31, 2009.
>>> Dr. George Tiller, a longtime target
>>> of anti-abortion extremists, was shot
>>> and killed by a single gunshot to his
>>> head.
>>>
>>>
>>> COLORADO SPRINGS, CO - November 27, 2015.
>>> Robert Lewis Dear killed three and injured
>>> nine at a Planned Parenthood clinic in
>>> Colorado Springs. Dear has been formally
>>> charged with 179 felony counts, including
>>> eight counts of first-degree murder and
>>> 131 counts of attempted first-degree murder.
>>>
>>> https://tinyurl.com/4u5w4hpz
>>
>> Now show that the mainstream of the pro-life movement has ever spoken
>> out in favor of these murders.
>
> The *core* of the phony "pro-life" movement supports the murder of
> abortion providers.
>
> https://www.vox.com/2015/12/10/9881238/pro-life-abortion-violence
>
> Proved.

Are you certain? From the VOX article:

[...]
But for most pro-life leaders, that logic doesn't hold. They see
violence against abortion providers not just as antithetical to their
own beliefs but also as standing in the way of their goals of
eliminating abortion in America.
[...]
In response to this violence, the Southern Baptist Convention penned a
seminal document, the Nashville Declaration of Conscience, in the fall
of 1994. It argued that in Christian doctrine, murder was immoral
regardless of whatever ends the killer hoped to achieve.

"According to both civil law and divine moral law private citizens are
permitted to use lethal force against another human being only if this
occurs as an unintended effect of the act of defending oneself or
another against an assailant’s unjust attack," the document declares.
[...]
Violence against abortion providers "is not only unacceptable, it's
morally abhorrent," says Russell Moore, president of the Southern
Baptist Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission. "Nothing could be further
from a pro-life point of view than the murder of human beings."

Prior, at Liberty University, makes a slightly different version of the
same argument: that pro-life activists can't advocate for laws to
protect unborn lives by violating current laws that outlaw murder.

"Unlawfully taking the life of another human being contradicts the very
goal we have of challenging and changing an unjust law, a goal rooted in
an underlying belief in the rule of law," Prior says.
[...]

It seems that you are mistaken.

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 by: Siri Cruise - Tue, 17 May 2022 16:12 UTC

In article <nMSdnRBU0fPGOh7_nZ2dnUU7-VWdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:

> Now show that the mainstream of the pro-life movement has ever spoken
> out in favor of these murders.

Yes......but......

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 by: Siri Cruise - Tue, 17 May 2022 16:17 UTC

In article <t606qq$cr4$2@dont-email.me>, Yak <yak@inbox.com>
wrote:

> On 5/17/22 7:57 AM, Siri Cruise wrote:
> > In article <t6007a$efo$3@dont-email.me>, Yak <yak@inbox.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Bingo. That that right there is why it is unlikely that anyone would
> >> ever be criminally culpable under the bill.
> >
> > Why have it?
>
> Why have laws against intentional murder?

It is unlikely that anyone doing murder would be criminally
culpable under the laws.

So, still, why have it?

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 by: Siri Cruise - Tue, 17 May 2022 16:59 UTC

In article <KP6dnSJjyL3RWh7_nZ2dnUU7-LnNnZ2d@giganews.com>,
David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:

> In response to this violence, the Southern Baptist Convention penned a

Sanctuary churches put their liberty on the line to do what is
right. So did any of these baptists actually do anything to
protect abortionists or just write 'manifestos' nobody read?

https://baptistnews.com/article/united-methodists-reluctant-pro-ch
oice-stance-puts-clergy-and-laity-at-odds-with-new-texas-abortion-
law/#.YoPTSYVK4y4

UMC women leading protests

Two United Methodist clergywomen, Stephanie Arnold and Katie
Gilbert, posted a protest of the Texas law on TikTok dressed in
costumes resembling those in The Handmaid's Tale, Margaret
Atwood's dystopian novel of women's slavery upon which a Hulu
series was based. Arnold and Gilbert serve as pastors at First
United Methodist Church of Birmingham, Ala.

United Methodist Women also issued a statement denouncing the
Texas law: 'United Methodist Women, like The United Methodist
Church, affirms that women and families need access to the full
range of reproductive health care, with the guidance the church
provides. ... We pray that legislators in states across the
country will make a different choice and allow women to discuss
health care needs with their loved ones and health care
providers.'

Lynn Parsons, a United Methodist laywoman in San Diego, urged her
co-religionists to address the Texas law by becoming centers for
reproductive health knowledge. In a commentary for UM News she
wrote: 'Why aren't churches sources of information about birth
control and prevention of venereal disease for their youngest,
most vulnerable members who are having sex, even if we want to
pretend they are not?'
Threat to pastoral ministry

Church historian William B. Lawrence noted the Texas abortion
law’s threat to pastoral ministry in a recent commentary for UM
News. Lawrence participated in a coalition, Clergy Consultation
Service, that operated in the 1960s and ’70s to assist women with
abortion access prior to the U.S. Supreme Court’s Roe v. Wade
decision that legalized abortion nationwide.

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David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote in news:nMSdnRBU0fPGOh7_nZ2dnUU7-
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> On 5/17/22 08:37, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in news:chine.bleu-
>> 0A5A32.04280917052022@news.eternal-september.org:
>>
>>> In article <Iv6dnYN-uokeHR7_nZ2dnUU7-V-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>> David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/17/22 03:35, super70s wrote:
>>>>> In article <2d2dnVZfeOZpiB7_nZ2dnUU7-UWdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>>> David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/16/22 22:22, Siri Cruise wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <yf2dnYE_acwAkh7_nZ2dnUU7-Q-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>>>>> David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 5/16/22 19:10, Blue Lives Matter wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Good for DeSantis.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Absolutely.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No criticism of the people who started this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You mean the pro abortion Democrats?
>>>>>
>>>>> Your whacko evangelical side has been shooting abortion doctors in
>> the
>>>>> back for 40 years.
>>>>
>>>> Exactly how many abortion doctors have been shot?
>>>
>>> 'Yes......but.....'
>>>
>>
>> Just like school shootings no number will
>> be high enough for Hartung to care.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> PENSACOLA, FL - March 10, 1993.
>> Dr. David Gunn was shot and killed
>> while entering a clinic during an
>> anti-abortion demonstration by
>> Rescue America. Michael Griffin
>> was sentenced to life.
>>
>>
>> HOUSTON, TX - 1991. Dr. Karpen was
>> shot and wounded outside his clinic.
>> Assailant was never apprehended.
>>
>>
>> WICHITA, KANSAS - August 19, 1993.
>> Dr. George Tiller was shot in both
>> arms at point-blank range by Rachelle
>> Shelley Shannon as he was leaving
>> his clinic. Shannon was sentenced to
>> 11 years.
>>
>>
>> MOBILE, AL - August 21, 1993
>> Dr. George Patterson is shot to death
>> in a parking lot
>>
>>
>> PENSACOLA, FL - July, 1994.
>> Dr. John Bayard Britton and
>> volunteer clinic escort Lt Col.
>> James Barrett were murdered by
>> anti-abortion extremist Paul Hill
>>
>>
>> VANCOUVER, CANADA - November 8,
>> 1994. Dr. Garson Romalis was shot
>> and severely wounded in the leg
>> by a sniper with a high powered
>> rifle shooting through the window
>> of Romalis' home. James Charles
>> Kopp, a member of the Army of God,
>> remains a primary suspect in the
>> assassination attempt.
>>
>>
>> BROOKLINE, MA - December 30, 1994.
>> John Salvi shot and killed Planned
>> Parenthood receptionist Shannon Lowney.
>> Going to a second clinic, he shot and
>> killed receptionist Leanne Nichols.
>> Five others were wounded in the attacks.
>>
>>
>> ANCASTER, ONTARIO - November 10, 1995.
>> Dr. Hugh Short was shot in the elbow
>> by a sniper using a high-powered rifle
>> to shoot through the window of Short's
>> home. Army of God member James Charles
>> Kopp charged in the assassination attempt.
>>
>>
>> NEW ORLEANS, LA - December 1996.
>> Dr C. Jackson was brutally stabbed
>> 15 times outside his clinic. The
>> assailant was then arrested at a
>> Baton Rouge clinic as he lay in wait
>> for another doctor.
>>
>>
>> WINNIPEG, CANADA - November 11, 1997,
>> Dr. Jack Fainman was shot by a sniper
>> with a high powered rifle while in his
>> home.
>>
>>
>> ROCHESTER, NY - October 28, 1997.
>> Dr. David Gandell was wounded by flying
>> glass when a sniper with a high powered
>> rifle shot into his home.
>>
>>
>> BIRMINGHAM, AL - January 29, 1998.
>> A bomb packed with nails exploded at
>> the New Woman, All Women clinic killing
>> the security guard and maiming a clinic
>> nurse. Army of God claimed credit in
>> letter to news media. Eric Robert Rudolph
>> was charged
>>
>>
>> AMHERST, NY - October 23, 1998.
>> Dr. Barnett Slepian was shot and killed
>> by a sniper with a high powered rifle
>> while standing with his wife and children
>> in the kitchen of his home.
>>
>>
>> VANCOUVER, CANADA - July 11, 2000.
>> Dr. Garson Romalis was stabbed in
>> the back
>>
>>
>> WICHITA, KS - May 31, 2009.
>> Dr. George Tiller, a longtime target
>> of anti-abortion extremists, was shot
>> and killed by a single gunshot to his
>> head.
>>
>>
>> COLORADO SPRINGS, CO - November 27, 2015.
>> Robert Lewis Dear killed three and injured
>> nine at a Planned Parenthood clinic in
>> Colorado Springs. Dear has been formally
>> charged with 179 felony counts, including
>> eight counts of first-degree murder and
>> 131 counts of attempted first-degree murder.
>>
>> https://tinyurl.com/4u5w4hpz
>
> Now show that the mainstream of the pro-life movement has ever spoken
> out in favor of these murders.
>

You are more in tune with your
pro-life agitator friends, you show
us where they condemned any abortion
clinic violence. And what they did to
prevent it in the future.

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On 2022-05-17 10:44 a.m., Mitchell Holman wrote:
> David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote in news:nMSdnRBU0fPGOh7_nZ2dnUU7-
> VWdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>
>> On 5/17/22 08:37, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>> Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in news:chine.bleu-
>>> 0A5A32.04280917052022@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>
>>>> In article <Iv6dnYN-uokeHR7_nZ2dnUU7-V-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>> David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/17/22 03:35, super70s wrote:
>>>>>> In article <2d2dnVZfeOZpiB7_nZ2dnUU7-UWdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>>>> David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5/16/22 22:22, Siri Cruise wrote:
>>>>>>>> In article <yf2dnYE_acwAkh7_nZ2dnUU7-Q-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>>>>>> David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 5/16/22 19:10, Blue Lives Matter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Good for DeSantis.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Absolutely.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No criticism of the people who started this?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You mean the pro abortion Democrats?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your whacko evangelical side has been shooting abortion doctors in
>>> the
>>>>>> back for 40 years.
>>>>>
>>>>> Exactly how many abortion doctors have been shot?
>>>>
>>>> 'Yes......but.....'
>>>>
>>>
>>> Just like school shootings no number will
>>> be high enough for Hartung to care.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> PENSACOLA, FL - March 10, 1993.
>>> Dr. David Gunn was shot and killed
>>> while entering a clinic during an
>>> anti-abortion demonstration by
>>> Rescue America. Michael Griffin
>>> was sentenced to life.
>>>
>>>
>>> HOUSTON, TX - 1991. Dr. Karpen was
>>> shot and wounded outside his clinic.
>>> Assailant was never apprehended.
>>>
>>>
>>> WICHITA, KANSAS - August 19, 1993.
>>> Dr. George Tiller was shot in both
>>> arms at point-blank range by Rachelle
>>> Shelley Shannon as he was leaving
>>> his clinic. Shannon was sentenced to
>>> 11 years.
>>>
>>>
>>> MOBILE, AL - August 21, 1993
>>> Dr. George Patterson is shot to death
>>> in a parking lot
>>>
>>>
>>> PENSACOLA, FL - July, 1994.
>>> Dr. John Bayard Britton and
>>> volunteer clinic escort Lt Col.
>>> James Barrett were murdered by
>>> anti-abortion extremist Paul Hill
>>>
>>>
>>> VANCOUVER, CANADA - November 8,
>>> 1994. Dr. Garson Romalis was shot
>>> and severely wounded in the leg
>>> by a sniper with a high powered
>>> rifle shooting through the window
>>> of Romalis' home. James Charles
>>> Kopp, a member of the Army of God,
>>> remains a primary suspect in the
>>> assassination attempt.
>>>
>>>
>>> BROOKLINE, MA - December 30, 1994.
>>> John Salvi shot and killed Planned
>>> Parenthood receptionist Shannon Lowney.
>>> Going to a second clinic, he shot and
>>> killed receptionist Leanne Nichols.
>>> Five others were wounded in the attacks.
>>>
>>>
>>> ANCASTER, ONTARIO - November 10, 1995.
>>> Dr. Hugh Short was shot in the elbow
>>> by a sniper using a high-powered rifle
>>> to shoot through the window of Short's
>>> home. Army of God member James Charles
>>> Kopp charged in the assassination attempt.
>>>
>>>
>>> NEW ORLEANS, LA - December 1996.
>>> Dr C. Jackson was brutally stabbed
>>> 15 times outside his clinic. The
>>> assailant was then arrested at a
>>> Baton Rouge clinic as he lay in wait
>>> for another doctor.
>>>
>>>
>>> WINNIPEG, CANADA - November 11, 1997,
>>> Dr. Jack Fainman was shot by a sniper
>>> with a high powered rifle while in his
>>> home.
>>>
>>>
>>> ROCHESTER, NY - October 28, 1997.
>>> Dr. David Gandell was wounded by flying
>>> glass when a sniper with a high powered
>>> rifle shot into his home.
>>>
>>>
>>> BIRMINGHAM, AL - January 29, 1998.
>>> A bomb packed with nails exploded at
>>> the New Woman, All Women clinic killing
>>> the security guard and maiming a clinic
>>> nurse. Army of God claimed credit in
>>> letter to news media. Eric Robert Rudolph
>>> was charged
>>>
>>>
>>> AMHERST, NY - October 23, 1998.
>>> Dr. Barnett Slepian was shot and killed
>>> by a sniper with a high powered rifle
>>> while standing with his wife and children
>>> in the kitchen of his home.
>>>
>>>
>>> VANCOUVER, CANADA - July 11, 2000.
>>> Dr. Garson Romalis was stabbed in
>>> the back
>>>
>>>
>>> WICHITA, KS - May 31, 2009.
>>> Dr. George Tiller, a longtime target
>>> of anti-abortion extremists, was shot
>>> and killed by a single gunshot to his
>>> head.
>>>
>>>
>>> COLORADO SPRINGS, CO - November 27, 2015.
>>> Robert Lewis Dear killed three and injured
>>> nine at a Planned Parenthood clinic in
>>> Colorado Springs. Dear has been formally
>>> charged with 179 felony counts, including
>>> eight counts of first-degree murder and
>>> 131 counts of attempted first-degree murder.
>>>
>>> https://tinyurl.com/4u5w4hpz
>>
>> Now show that the mainstream of the pro-life movement has ever spoken
>> out in favor of these murders.
>>
>
> You are more in tune with your
> pro-life agitator friends, you show
> us where they condemned any abortion
> clinic violence. And what they did to
> prevent it in the future.
>
>
>
>
>
>

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 by: David Hartung - Wed, 18 May 2022 10:13 UTC

On 5/17/22 11:59, Siri Cruise wrote:
> In article <KP6dnSJjyL3RWh7_nZ2dnUU7-LnNnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> In response to this violence, the Southern Baptist Convention penned a
>
> Sanctuary churches put their liberty on the line to do what is
> right. So did any of these baptists actually do anything to
> protect abortionists or just write 'manifestos' nobody read?

My post was a response t an accusation that pro-life people support the
killing of abortionist, that is all.

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 by: David Hartung - Wed, 18 May 2022 10:16 UTC

On 5/17/22 12:44, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote in news:nMSdnRBU0fPGOh7_nZ2dnUU7-
> VWdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>
>> On 5/17/22 08:37, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>> Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in news:chine.bleu-
>>> 0A5A32.04280917052022@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>
>>>> In article <Iv6dnYN-uokeHR7_nZ2dnUU7-V-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>> David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/17/22 03:35, super70s wrote:
>>>>>> In article <2d2dnVZfeOZpiB7_nZ2dnUU7-UWdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>>>> David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5/16/22 22:22, Siri Cruise wrote:
>>>>>>>> In article <yf2dnYE_acwAkh7_nZ2dnUU7-Q-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>>>>>> David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 5/16/22 19:10, Blue Lives Matter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Good for DeSantis.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Absolutely.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No criticism of the people who started this?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You mean the pro abortion Democrats?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your whacko evangelical side has been shooting abortion doctors in
>>> the
>>>>>> back for 40 years.
>>>>>
>>>>> Exactly how many abortion doctors have been shot?
>>>>
>>>> 'Yes......but.....'
>>>>
>>>
>>> Just like school shootings no number will
>>> be high enough for Hartung to care.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> PENSACOLA, FL - March 10, 1993.
>>> Dr. David Gunn was shot and killed
>>> while entering a clinic during an
>>> anti-abortion demonstration by
>>> Rescue America. Michael Griffin
>>> was sentenced to life.
>>>
>>>
>>> HOUSTON, TX - 1991. Dr. Karpen was
>>> shot and wounded outside his clinic.
>>> Assailant was never apprehended.
>>>
>>>
>>> WICHITA, KANSAS - August 19, 1993.
>>> Dr. George Tiller was shot in both
>>> arms at point-blank range by Rachelle
>>> Shelley Shannon as he was leaving
>>> his clinic. Shannon was sentenced to
>>> 11 years.
>>>
>>>
>>> MOBILE, AL - August 21, 1993
>>> Dr. George Patterson is shot to death
>>> in a parking lot
>>>
>>>
>>> PENSACOLA, FL - July, 1994.
>>> Dr. John Bayard Britton and
>>> volunteer clinic escort Lt Col.
>>> James Barrett were murdered by
>>> anti-abortion extremist Paul Hill
>>>
>>>
>>> VANCOUVER, CANADA - November 8,
>>> 1994. Dr. Garson Romalis was shot
>>> and severely wounded in the leg
>>> by a sniper with a high powered
>>> rifle shooting through the window
>>> of Romalis' home. James Charles
>>> Kopp, a member of the Army of God,
>>> remains a primary suspect in the
>>> assassination attempt.
>>>
>>>
>>> BROOKLINE, MA - December 30, 1994.
>>> John Salvi shot and killed Planned
>>> Parenthood receptionist Shannon Lowney.
>>> Going to a second clinic, he shot and
>>> killed receptionist Leanne Nichols.
>>> Five others were wounded in the attacks.
>>>
>>>
>>> ANCASTER, ONTARIO - November 10, 1995.
>>> Dr. Hugh Short was shot in the elbow
>>> by a sniper using a high-powered rifle
>>> to shoot through the window of Short's
>>> home. Army of God member James Charles
>>> Kopp charged in the assassination attempt.
>>>
>>>
>>> NEW ORLEANS, LA - December 1996.
>>> Dr C. Jackson was brutally stabbed
>>> 15 times outside his clinic. The
>>> assailant was then arrested at a
>>> Baton Rouge clinic as he lay in wait
>>> for another doctor.
>>>
>>>
>>> WINNIPEG, CANADA - November 11, 1997,
>>> Dr. Jack Fainman was shot by a sniper
>>> with a high powered rifle while in his
>>> home.
>>>
>>>
>>> ROCHESTER, NY - October 28, 1997.
>>> Dr. David Gandell was wounded by flying
>>> glass when a sniper with a high powered
>>> rifle shot into his home.
>>>
>>>
>>> BIRMINGHAM, AL - January 29, 1998.
>>> A bomb packed with nails exploded at
>>> the New Woman, All Women clinic killing
>>> the security guard and maiming a clinic
>>> nurse. Army of God claimed credit in
>>> letter to news media. Eric Robert Rudolph
>>> was charged
>>>
>>>
>>> AMHERST, NY - October 23, 1998.
>>> Dr. Barnett Slepian was shot and killed
>>> by a sniper with a high powered rifle
>>> while standing with his wife and children
>>> in the kitchen of his home.
>>>
>>>
>>> VANCOUVER, CANADA - July 11, 2000.
>>> Dr. Garson Romalis was stabbed in
>>> the back
>>>
>>>
>>> WICHITA, KS - May 31, 2009.
>>> Dr. George Tiller, a longtime target
>>> of anti-abortion extremists, was shot
>>> and killed by a single gunshot to his
>>> head.
>>>
>>>
>>> COLORADO SPRINGS, CO - November 27, 2015.
>>> Robert Lewis Dear killed three and injured
>>> nine at a Planned Parenthood clinic in
>>> Colorado Springs. Dear has been formally
>>> charged with 179 felony counts, including
>>> eight counts of first-degree murder and
>>> 131 counts of attempted first-degree murder.
>>>
>>> https://tinyurl.com/4u5w4hpz
>>
>> Now show that the mainstream of the pro-life movement has ever spoken
>> out in favor of these murders.
>>
>
> You are more in tune with your
> pro-life agitator friends, you show
> us where they condemned any abortion
> clinic violence. And what they did to
> prevent it in the future.

Is this yet another of your attempts to force someone to make astatement
which you can then attack? Whether or not any one pro-life group has
condemned abortion clinic violence is not thepoint. Your claim is that
pro-life people support such viplence, and my response was to ask you to
support your claim. You have not done so.

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David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote in
news:FuKdnaM2p8sHWhn_nZ2dnUU7-SWdnZ2d@giganews.com:

> On 5/17/22 12:44, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote in
>> news:nMSdnRBU0fPGOh7_nZ2dnUU7- VWdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>
>>> On 5/17/22 08:37, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>> Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in news:chine.bleu-
>>>> 0A5A32.04280917052022@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <Iv6dnYN-uokeHR7_nZ2dnUU7-V-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>>> David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/17/22 03:35, super70s wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <2d2dnVZfeOZpiB7_nZ2dnUU7-UWdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>>>>> David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 5/16/22 22:22, Siri Cruise wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In article <yf2dnYE_acwAkh7_nZ2dnUU7-Q-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>>>>>>> David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/16/22 19:10, Blue Lives Matter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Good for DeSantis.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Absolutely.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No criticism of the people who started this?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You mean the pro abortion Democrats?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your whacko evangelical side has been shooting abortion doctors
>>>>>>> in
>>>> the
>>>>>>> back for 40 years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Exactly how many abortion doctors have been shot?
>>>>>
>>>>> 'Yes......but.....'
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Just like school shootings no number will
>>>> be high enough for Hartung to care.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> PENSACOLA, FL - March 10, 1993.
>>>> Dr. David Gunn was shot and killed
>>>> while entering a clinic during an
>>>> anti-abortion demonstration by
>>>> Rescue America. Michael Griffin
>>>> was sentenced to life.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> HOUSTON, TX - 1991. Dr. Karpen was
>>>> shot and wounded outside his clinic.
>>>> Assailant was never apprehended.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> WICHITA, KANSAS - August 19, 1993.
>>>> Dr. George Tiller was shot in both
>>>> arms at point-blank range by Rachelle
>>>> Shelley Shannon as he was leaving
>>>> his clinic. Shannon was sentenced to
>>>> 11 years.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> MOBILE, AL - August 21, 1993
>>>> Dr. George Patterson is shot to death
>>>> in a parking lot
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> PENSACOLA, FL - July, 1994.
>>>> Dr. John Bayard Britton and
>>>> volunteer clinic escort Lt Col.
>>>> James Barrett were murdered by
>>>> anti-abortion extremist Paul Hill
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> VANCOUVER, CANADA - November 8,
>>>> 1994. Dr. Garson Romalis was shot
>>>> and severely wounded in the leg
>>>> by a sniper with a high powered
>>>> rifle shooting through the window
>>>> of Romalis' home. James Charles
>>>> Kopp, a member of the Army of God,
>>>> remains a primary suspect in the
>>>> assassination attempt.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> BROOKLINE, MA - December 30, 1994.
>>>> John Salvi shot and killed Planned
>>>> Parenthood receptionist Shannon Lowney.
>>>> Going to a second clinic, he shot and
>>>> killed receptionist Leanne Nichols.
>>>> Five others were wounded in the attacks.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ANCASTER, ONTARIO - November 10, 1995.
>>>> Dr. Hugh Short was shot in the elbow
>>>> by a sniper using a high-powered rifle
>>>> to shoot through the window of Short's
>>>> home. Army of God member James Charles
>>>> Kopp charged in the assassination attempt.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> NEW ORLEANS, LA - December 1996.
>>>> Dr C. Jackson was brutally stabbed
>>>> 15 times outside his clinic. The
>>>> assailant was then arrested at a
>>>> Baton Rouge clinic as he lay in wait
>>>> for another doctor.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> WINNIPEG, CANADA - November 11, 1997,
>>>> Dr. Jack Fainman was shot by a sniper
>>>> with a high powered rifle while in his
>>>> home.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ROCHESTER, NY - October 28, 1997.
>>>> Dr. David Gandell was wounded by flying
>>>> glass when a sniper with a high powered
>>>> rifle shot into his home.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> BIRMINGHAM, AL - January 29, 1998.
>>>> A bomb packed with nails exploded at
>>>> the New Woman, All Women clinic killing
>>>> the security guard and maiming a clinic
>>>> nurse. Army of God claimed credit in
>>>> letter to news media. Eric Robert Rudolph
>>>> was charged
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> AMHERST, NY - October 23, 1998.
>>>> Dr. Barnett Slepian was shot and killed
>>>> by a sniper with a high powered rifle
>>>> while standing with his wife and children
>>>> in the kitchen of his home.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> VANCOUVER, CANADA - July 11, 2000.
>>>> Dr. Garson Romalis was stabbed in
>>>> the back
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> WICHITA, KS - May 31, 2009.
>>>> Dr. George Tiller, a longtime target
>>>> of anti-abortion extremists, was shot
>>>> and killed by a single gunshot to his
>>>> head.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> COLORADO SPRINGS, CO - November 27, 2015.
>>>> Robert Lewis Dear killed three and injured
>>>> nine at a Planned Parenthood clinic in
>>>> Colorado Springs. Dear has been formally
>>>> charged with 179 felony counts, including
>>>> eight counts of first-degree murder and
>>>> 131 counts of attempted first-degree murder.
>>>>
>>>> https://tinyurl.com/4u5w4hpz
>>>
>>> Now show that the mainstream of the pro-life movement has ever
>>> spoken out in favor of these murders.
>>>
>>
>> You are more in tune with your
>> pro-life agitator friends, you show
>> us where they condemned any abortion
>> clinic violence. And what they did to
>> prevent it in the future.
>
> Is this yet another of your attempts to force someone to make
> astatement which you can then attack? Whether or not any one pro-life
> group has condemned abortion clinic violence is not thepoint. Your
> claim is that pro-life people support such viplence, and my response
> was to ask you to support your claim.

Every crime listed above was committed by pro-life people.

And every crime cited below.

An epidemic of antiabortion violence in the United States

Between 1977-88 there was an epidemic of violence
directed against abortion clinics. These attacks
consisted of 110 cases of arson, firebombing, or
bombing. In 1984 the epidemic reached a peak with
29 attacks. 98% of the sites were clinics that
provided abortion services. During the study period
1977-88, the National Abortion Federation reported
the following violent acts against clinics: 222 clinic
invasions, 220 acts of clinic vandalism, 216 bomb
threats, 65 death threats, 46 assault and batteries,
20 burglaries, and 2 kidnapings.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1957842/

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 by: David Hartung - Wed, 18 May 2022 14:03 UTC

On 5/18/22 08:17, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:FuKdnaM2p8sHWhn_nZ2dnUU7-SWdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>
>> On 5/17/22 12:44, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>> David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:nMSdnRBU0fPGOh7_nZ2dnUU7- VWdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>>
>>>> On 5/17/22 08:37, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>> Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in news:chine.bleu-
>>>>> 0A5A32.04280917052022@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article <Iv6dnYN-uokeHR7_nZ2dnUU7-V-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>>>> David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5/17/22 03:35, super70s wrote:
>>>>>>>> In article <2d2dnVZfeOZpiB7_nZ2dnUU7-UWdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>>>>>> David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 5/16/22 22:22, Siri Cruise wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> In article <yf2dnYE_acwAkh7_nZ2dnUU7-Q-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>>>>>>>> David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/16/22 19:10, Blue Lives Matter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Good for DeSantis.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Absolutely.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No criticism of the people who started this?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You mean the pro abortion Democrats?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Your whacko evangelical side has been shooting abortion doctors
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> back for 40 years.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Exactly how many abortion doctors have been shot?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 'Yes......but.....'
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Just like school shootings no number will
>>>>> be high enough for Hartung to care.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> PENSACOLA, FL - March 10, 1993.
>>>>> Dr. David Gunn was shot and killed
>>>>> while entering a clinic during an
>>>>> anti-abortion demonstration by
>>>>> Rescue America. Michael Griffin
>>>>> was sentenced to life.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> HOUSTON, TX - 1991. Dr. Karpen was
>>>>> shot and wounded outside his clinic.
>>>>> Assailant was never apprehended.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> WICHITA, KANSAS - August 19, 1993.
>>>>> Dr. George Tiller was shot in both
>>>>> arms at point-blank range by Rachelle
>>>>> Shelley Shannon as he was leaving
>>>>> his clinic. Shannon was sentenced to
>>>>> 11 years.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> MOBILE, AL - August 21, 1993
>>>>> Dr. George Patterson is shot to death
>>>>> in a parking lot
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> PENSACOLA, FL - July, 1994.
>>>>> Dr. John Bayard Britton and
>>>>> volunteer clinic escort Lt Col.
>>>>> James Barrett were murdered by
>>>>> anti-abortion extremist Paul Hill
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> VANCOUVER, CANADA - November 8,
>>>>> 1994. Dr. Garson Romalis was shot
>>>>> and severely wounded in the leg
>>>>> by a sniper with a high powered
>>>>> rifle shooting through the window
>>>>> of Romalis' home. James Charles
>>>>> Kopp, a member of the Army of God,
>>>>> remains a primary suspect in the
>>>>> assassination attempt.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> BROOKLINE, MA - December 30, 1994.
>>>>> John Salvi shot and killed Planned
>>>>> Parenthood receptionist Shannon Lowney.
>>>>> Going to a second clinic, he shot and
>>>>> killed receptionist Leanne Nichols.
>>>>> Five others were wounded in the attacks.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ANCASTER, ONTARIO - November 10, 1995.
>>>>> Dr. Hugh Short was shot in the elbow
>>>>> by a sniper using a high-powered rifle
>>>>> to shoot through the window of Short's
>>>>> home. Army of God member James Charles
>>>>> Kopp charged in the assassination attempt.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> NEW ORLEANS, LA - December 1996.
>>>>> Dr C. Jackson was brutally stabbed
>>>>> 15 times outside his clinic. The
>>>>> assailant was then arrested at a
>>>>> Baton Rouge clinic as he lay in wait
>>>>> for another doctor.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> WINNIPEG, CANADA - November 11, 1997,
>>>>> Dr. Jack Fainman was shot by a sniper
>>>>> with a high powered rifle while in his
>>>>> home.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ROCHESTER, NY - October 28, 1997.
>>>>> Dr. David Gandell was wounded by flying
>>>>> glass when a sniper with a high powered
>>>>> rifle shot into his home.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> BIRMINGHAM, AL - January 29, 1998.
>>>>> A bomb packed with nails exploded at
>>>>> the New Woman, All Women clinic killing
>>>>> the security guard and maiming a clinic
>>>>> nurse. Army of God claimed credit in
>>>>> letter to news media. Eric Robert Rudolph
>>>>> was charged
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> AMHERST, NY - October 23, 1998.
>>>>> Dr. Barnett Slepian was shot and killed
>>>>> by a sniper with a high powered rifle
>>>>> while standing with his wife and children
>>>>> in the kitchen of his home.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> VANCOUVER, CANADA - July 11, 2000.
>>>>> Dr. Garson Romalis was stabbed in
>>>>> the back
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> WICHITA, KS - May 31, 2009.
>>>>> Dr. George Tiller, a longtime target
>>>>> of anti-abortion extremists, was shot
>>>>> and killed by a single gunshot to his
>>>>> head.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> COLORADO SPRINGS, CO - November 27, 2015.
>>>>> Robert Lewis Dear killed three and injured
>>>>> nine at a Planned Parenthood clinic in
>>>>> Colorado Springs. Dear has been formally
>>>>> charged with 179 felony counts, including
>>>>> eight counts of first-degree murder and
>>>>> 131 counts of attempted first-degree murder.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/4u5w4hpz
>>>>
>>>> Now show that the mainstream of the pro-life movement has ever
>>>> spoken out in favor of these murders.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You are more in tune with your
>>> pro-life agitator friends, you show
>>> us where they condemned any abortion
>>> clinic violence. And what they did to
>>> prevent it in the future.
>>
>> Is this yet another of your attempts to force someone to make
>> astatement which you can then attack? Whether or not any one pro-life
>> group has condemned abortion clinic violence is not thepoint. Your
>> claim is that pro-life people support such viplence, and my response
>> was to ask you to support your claim.
>
>
> Every crime listed above was committed by pro-life people.
>
> And every crime cited below.
>
>
>
> An epidemic of antiabortion violence in the United States
>
> Between 1977-88 there was an epidemic of violence
> directed against abortion clinics. These attacks
> consisted of 110 cases of arson, firebombing, or
> bombing. In 1984 the epidemic reached a peak with
> 29 attacks. 98% of the sites were clinics that
> provided abortion services. During the study period
> 1977-88, the National Abortion Federation reported
> the following violent acts against clinics: 222 clinic
> invasions, 220 acts of clinic vandalism, 216 bomb
> threats, 65 death threats, 46 assault and batteries,
> 20 burglaries, and 2 kidnapings.
> https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1


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In article <POGdnfKWG40oYRn_nZ2dnUU7-eHNnZ2d@giganews.com>,
David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:

> Once again Holman, the claim is that the pro-life movement as a whole
> supports this. You still have not supported that claim.

I know UMC is against this. They don't know how to equivocate
like you. Jesus didn't equivocate.

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David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote in news:POGdnfKWG40oYRn_nZ2dnUU7-
eHNnZ2d@giganews.com:

> On 5/18/22 08:17, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote in
>> news:FuKdnaM2p8sHWhn_nZ2dnUU7-SWdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>
>>> On 5/17/22 12:44, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>> David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote in
>>>> news:nMSdnRBU0fPGOh7_nZ2dnUU7- VWdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/17/22 08:37, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>> Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in news:chine.bleu-
>>>>>> 0A5A32.04280917052022@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In article <Iv6dnYN-uokeHR7_nZ2dnUU7-V-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>>>>> David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 5/17/22 03:35, super70s wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In article <2d2dnVZfeOZpiB7_nZ2dnUU7-UWdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>>>>>>> David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/16/22 22:22, Siri Cruise wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> In article <yf2dnYE_acwAkh7_nZ2dnUU7-Q-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>>>>>>>>> David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/16/22 19:10, Blue Lives Matter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good for DeSantis.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Absolutely.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No criticism of the people who started this?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You mean the pro abortion Democrats?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Your whacko evangelical side has been shooting abortion doctors
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> back for 40 years.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Exactly how many abortion doctors have been shot?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 'Yes......but.....'
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just like school shootings no number will
>>>>>> be high enough for Hartung to care.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PENSACOLA, FL - March 10, 1993.
>>>>>> Dr. David Gunn was shot and killed
>>>>>> while entering a clinic during an
>>>>>> anti-abortion demonstration by
>>>>>> Rescue America. Michael Griffin
>>>>>> was sentenced to life.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> HOUSTON, TX - 1991. Dr. Karpen was
>>>>>> shot and wounded outside his clinic.
>>>>>> Assailant was never apprehended.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> WICHITA, KANSAS - August 19, 1993.
>>>>>> Dr. George Tiller was shot in both
>>>>>> arms at point-blank range by Rachelle
>>>>>> Shelley Shannon as he was leaving
>>>>>> his clinic. Shannon was sentenced to
>>>>>> 11 years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> MOBILE, AL - August 21, 1993
>>>>>> Dr. George Patterson is shot to death
>>>>>> in a parking lot
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PENSACOLA, FL - July, 1994.
>>>>>> Dr. John Bayard Britton and
>>>>>> volunteer clinic escort Lt Col.
>>>>>> James Barrett were murdered by
>>>>>> anti-abortion extremist Paul Hill
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> VANCOUVER, CANADA - November 8,
>>>>>> 1994. Dr. Garson Romalis was shot
>>>>>> and severely wounded in the leg
>>>>>> by a sniper with a high powered
>>>>>> rifle shooting through the window
>>>>>> of Romalis' home. James Charles
>>>>>> Kopp, a member of the Army of God,
>>>>>> remains a primary suspect in the
>>>>>> assassination attempt.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BROOKLINE, MA - December 30, 1994.
>>>>>> John Salvi shot and killed Planned
>>>>>> Parenthood receptionist Shannon Lowney.
>>>>>> Going to a second clinic, he shot and
>>>>>> killed receptionist Leanne Nichols.
>>>>>> Five others were wounded in the attacks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ANCASTER, ONTARIO - November 10, 1995.
>>>>>> Dr. Hugh Short was shot in the elbow
>>>>>> by a sniper using a high-powered rifle
>>>>>> to shoot through the window of Short's
>>>>>> home. Army of God member James Charles
>>>>>> Kopp charged in the assassination attempt.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> NEW ORLEANS, LA - December 1996.
>>>>>> Dr C. Jackson was brutally stabbed
>>>>>> 15 times outside his clinic. The
>>>>>> assailant was then arrested at a
>>>>>> Baton Rouge clinic as he lay in wait
>>>>>> for another doctor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> WINNIPEG, CANADA - November 11, 1997,
>>>>>> Dr. Jack Fainman was shot by a sniper
>>>>>> with a high powered rifle while in his
>>>>>> home.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ROCHESTER, NY - October 28, 1997.
>>>>>> Dr. David Gandell was wounded by flying
>>>>>> glass when a sniper with a high powered
>>>>>> rifle shot into his home.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BIRMINGHAM, AL - January 29, 1998.
>>>>>> A bomb packed with nails exploded at
>>>>>> the New Woman, All Women clinic killing
>>>>>> the security guard and maiming a clinic
>>>>>> nurse. Army of God claimed credit in
>>>>>> letter to news media. Eric Robert Rudolph
>>>>>> was charged
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> AMHERST, NY - October 23, 1998.
>>>>>> Dr. Barnett Slepian was shot and killed
>>>>>> by a sniper with a high powered rifle
>>>>>> while standing with his wife and children
>>>>>> in the kitchen of his home.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> VANCOUVER, CANADA - July 11, 2000.
>>>>>> Dr. Garson Romalis was stabbed in
>>>>>> the back
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> WICHITA, KS - May 31, 2009.
>>>>>> Dr. George Tiller, a longtime target
>>>>>> of anti-abortion extremists, was shot
>>>>>> and killed by a single gunshot to his
>>>>>> head.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> COLORADO SPRINGS, CO - November 27, 2015.
>>>>>> Robert Lewis Dear killed three and injured
>>>>>> nine at a Planned Parenthood clinic in
>>>>>> Colorado Springs. Dear has been formally
>>>>>> charged with 179 felony counts, including
>>>>>> eight counts of first-degree murder and
>>>>>> 131 counts of attempted first-degree murder.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/4u5w4hpz
>>>>>
>>>>> Now show that the mainstream of the pro-life movement has ever
>>>>> spoken out in favor of these murders.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You are more in tune with your
>>>> pro-life agitator friends, you show
>>>> us where they condemned any abortion
>>>> clinic violence. And what they did to
>>>> prevent it in the future.
>>>
>>> Is this yet another of your attempts to force someone to make
>>> astatement which you can then attack? Whether or not any one pro-life
>>> group has condemned abortion clinic violence is not thepoint. Your
>>> claim is that pro-life people support such viplence, and my response
>>> was to ask you to support your claim.
>>
>>
>> Every crime listed above was committed by pro-life people.
>>
>> And every crime cited below.
>>
>>
>>
>> An epidemic of antiabortion violence in the United States
>>
>> Between 1977-88 there was an epidemic of violence
>> directed against abortion clinics. These attacks
>> consisted of 110 cases of arson, firebombing, or
>> bombing. In 1984 the epidemic reached a peak with
>> 29 attacks. 98% of the sites were clinics that
>> provided abortion services. During the study period
>> 1977-88, the National Abortion Federation reported
>> the following violent acts against clinics: 222 clinic
>> invasions, 220 acts of clinic vandalism, 216 bomb
>> threats, 65 death threats, 46 assault and batteries,
>> 20 burglaries, and 2 kidnapings.
>> https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1
>
> Once again Holman, the claim is that the pro-life movement as a whole


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On 5/18/22 12:56, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote in news:POGdnfKWG40oYRn_nZ2dnUU7-
> eHNnZ2d@giganews.com:
>
>> On 5/18/22 08:17, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>> David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:FuKdnaM2p8sHWhn_nZ2dnUU7-SWdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>>
>>>> On 5/17/22 12:44, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>> David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:nMSdnRBU0fPGOh7_nZ2dnUU7- VWdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/17/22 08:37, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>> Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in news:chine.bleu-
>>>>>>> 0A5A32.04280917052022@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In article <Iv6dnYN-uokeHR7_nZ2dnUU7-V-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>>>>>> David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 5/17/22 03:35, super70s wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> In article <2d2dnVZfeOZpiB7_nZ2dnUU7-UWdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>>>>>>>> David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/16/22 22:22, Siri Cruise wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <yf2dnYE_acwAkh7_nZ2dnUU7-Q-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>>>>>>>>>> David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/16/22 19:10, Blue Lives Matter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good for DeSantis.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Absolutely.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> No criticism of the people who started this?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You mean the pro abortion Democrats?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Your whacko evangelical side has been shooting abortion doctors
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> back for 40 years.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Exactly how many abortion doctors have been shot?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 'Yes......but.....'
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just like school shootings no number will
>>>>>>> be high enough for Hartung to care.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> PENSACOLA, FL - March 10, 1993.
>>>>>>> Dr. David Gunn was shot and killed
>>>>>>> while entering a clinic during an
>>>>>>> anti-abortion demonstration by
>>>>>>> Rescue America. Michael Griffin
>>>>>>> was sentenced to life.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> HOUSTON, TX - 1991. Dr. Karpen was
>>>>>>> shot and wounded outside his clinic.
>>>>>>> Assailant was never apprehended.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> WICHITA, KANSAS - August 19, 1993.
>>>>>>> Dr. George Tiller was shot in both
>>>>>>> arms at point-blank range by Rachelle
>>>>>>> Shelley Shannon as he was leaving
>>>>>>> his clinic. Shannon was sentenced to
>>>>>>> 11 years.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> MOBILE, AL - August 21, 1993
>>>>>>> Dr. George Patterson is shot to death
>>>>>>> in a parking lot
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> PENSACOLA, FL - July, 1994.
>>>>>>> Dr. John Bayard Britton and
>>>>>>> volunteer clinic escort Lt Col.
>>>>>>> James Barrett were murdered by
>>>>>>> anti-abortion extremist Paul Hill
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> VANCOUVER, CANADA - November 8,
>>>>>>> 1994. Dr. Garson Romalis was shot
>>>>>>> and severely wounded in the leg
>>>>>>> by a sniper with a high powered
>>>>>>> rifle shooting through the window
>>>>>>> of Romalis' home. James Charles
>>>>>>> Kopp, a member of the Army of God,
>>>>>>> remains a primary suspect in the
>>>>>>> assassination attempt.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BROOKLINE, MA - December 30, 1994.
>>>>>>> John Salvi shot and killed Planned
>>>>>>> Parenthood receptionist Shannon Lowney.
>>>>>>> Going to a second clinic, he shot and
>>>>>>> killed receptionist Leanne Nichols.
>>>>>>> Five others were wounded in the attacks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ANCASTER, ONTARIO - November 10, 1995.
>>>>>>> Dr. Hugh Short was shot in the elbow
>>>>>>> by a sniper using a high-powered rifle
>>>>>>> to shoot through the window of Short's
>>>>>>> home. Army of God member James Charles
>>>>>>> Kopp charged in the assassination attempt.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> NEW ORLEANS, LA - December 1996.
>>>>>>> Dr C. Jackson was brutally stabbed
>>>>>>> 15 times outside his clinic. The
>>>>>>> assailant was then arrested at a
>>>>>>> Baton Rouge clinic as he lay in wait
>>>>>>> for another doctor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> WINNIPEG, CANADA - November 11, 1997,
>>>>>>> Dr. Jack Fainman was shot by a sniper
>>>>>>> with a high powered rifle while in his
>>>>>>> home.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ROCHESTER, NY - October 28, 1997.
>>>>>>> Dr. David Gandell was wounded by flying
>>>>>>> glass when a sniper with a high powered
>>>>>>> rifle shot into his home.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BIRMINGHAM, AL - January 29, 1998.
>>>>>>> A bomb packed with nails exploded at
>>>>>>> the New Woman, All Women clinic killing
>>>>>>> the security guard and maiming a clinic
>>>>>>> nurse. Army of God claimed credit in
>>>>>>> letter to news media. Eric Robert Rudolph
>>>>>>> was charged
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> AMHERST, NY - October 23, 1998.
>>>>>>> Dr. Barnett Slepian was shot and killed
>>>>>>> by a sniper with a high powered rifle
>>>>>>> while standing with his wife and children
>>>>>>> in the kitchen of his home.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> VANCOUVER, CANADA - July 11, 2000.
>>>>>>> Dr. Garson Romalis was stabbed in
>>>>>>> the back
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> WICHITA, KS - May 31, 2009.
>>>>>>> Dr. George Tiller, a longtime target
>>>>>>> of anti-abortion extremists, was shot
>>>>>>> and killed by a single gunshot to his
>>>>>>> head.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> COLORADO SPRINGS, CO - November 27, 2015.
>>>>>>> Robert Lewis Dear killed three and injured
>>>>>>> nine at a Planned Parenthood clinic in
>>>>>>> Colorado Springs. Dear has been formally
>>>>>>> charged with 179 felony counts, including
>>>>>>> eight counts of first-degree murder and
>>>>>>> 131 counts of attempted first-degree murder.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/4u5w4hpz
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now show that the mainstream of the pro-life movement has ever
>>>>>> spoken out in favor of these murders.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You are more in tune with your
>>>>> pro-life agitator friends, you show
>>>>> us where they condemned any abortion
>>>>> clinic violence. And what they did to
>>>>> prevent it in the future.
>>>>
>>>> Is this yet another of your attempts to force someone to make
>>>> astatement which you can then attack? Whether or not any one pro-life
>>>> group has condemned abortion clinic violence is not thepoint. Your
>>>> claim is that pro-life people support such viplence, and my response
>>>> was to ask you to support your claim.
>>>
>>>
>>> Every crime listed above was committed by pro-life people.
>>>
>>> And every crime cited below.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> An epidemic of antiabortion violence in the United States
>>>
>>> Between 1977-88 there was an epidemic of violence
>>> directed against abortion clinics. These attacks
>>> consisted of 110 cases of arson, firebombing, or
>>> bombing. In 1984 the epidemic reached a peak with
>>> 29 attacks. 98% of the sites were clinics that
>>> provided abortion services. During the study period
>>> 1977-88, the National Abortion Federation reported
>>> the following violent acts against clinics: 222 clinic
>>> invasions, 220 acts of clinic vandalism, 216 bomb
>>> threats, 65 death threats, 46 assault and batteries,
>>> 20 burglaries, and 2 kidnapings.
>>> https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1
>>
>> Once again Holman, the claim is that the pro-life movement as a whole
>
>
> Show us such claim. I never said anything
> about "the pro-life movement as a whole",
> whatever that is.


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 by: Mitchell Holman - Thu, 19 May 2022 01:58 UTC

David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote in
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> On 5/18/22 12:56, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote in
>> news:POGdnfKWG40oYRn_nZ2dnUU7- eHNnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>
>>> On 5/18/22 08:17, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>> David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote in
>>>> news:FuKdnaM2p8sHWhn_nZ2dnUU7-SWdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/17/22 12:44, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>> David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>> news:nMSdnRBU0fPGOh7_nZ2dnUU7- VWdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5/17/22 08:37, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>> Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in news:chine.bleu-
>>>>>>>> 0A5A32.04280917052022@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In article <Iv6dnYN-uokeHR7_nZ2dnUU7-V-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>>>>>>> David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/17/22 03:35, super70s wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> In article <2d2dnVZfeOZpiB7_nZ2dnUU7-UWdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>>>>>>>>> David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/16/22 22:22, Siri Cruise wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <yf2dnYE_acwAkh7_nZ2dnUU7-Q-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/16/22 19:10, Blue Lives Matter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good for DeSantis.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Absolutely.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> No criticism of the people who started this?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You mean the pro abortion Democrats?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Your whacko evangelical side has been shooting abortion
>>>>>>>>>>> doctors in
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> back for 40 years.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Exactly how many abortion doctors have been shot?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 'Yes......but.....'
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just like school shootings no number will
>>>>>>>> be high enough for Hartung to care.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> PENSACOLA, FL - March 10, 1993.
>>>>>>>> Dr. David Gunn was shot and killed
>>>>>>>> while entering a clinic during an
>>>>>>>> anti-abortion demonstration by
>>>>>>>> Rescue America. Michael Griffin
>>>>>>>> was sentenced to life.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> HOUSTON, TX - 1991. Dr. Karpen was
>>>>>>>> shot and wounded outside his clinic.
>>>>>>>> Assailant was never apprehended.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> WICHITA, KANSAS - August 19, 1993.
>>>>>>>> Dr. George Tiller was shot in both
>>>>>>>> arms at point-blank range by Rachelle
>>>>>>>> Shelley Shannon as he was leaving
>>>>>>>> his clinic. Shannon was sentenced to
>>>>>>>> 11 years.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> MOBILE, AL - August 21, 1993
>>>>>>>> Dr. George Patterson is shot to death
>>>>>>>> in a parking lot
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> PENSACOLA, FL - July, 1994.
>>>>>>>> Dr. John Bayard Britton and
>>>>>>>> volunteer clinic escort Lt Col.
>>>>>>>> James Barrett were murdered by
>>>>>>>> anti-abortion extremist Paul Hill
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> VANCOUVER, CANADA - November 8,
>>>>>>>> 1994. Dr. Garson Romalis was shot
>>>>>>>> and severely wounded in the leg
>>>>>>>> by a sniper with a high powered
>>>>>>>> rifle shooting through the window
>>>>>>>> of Romalis' home. James Charles
>>>>>>>> Kopp, a member of the Army of God,
>>>>>>>> remains a primary suspect in the
>>>>>>>> assassination attempt.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> BROOKLINE, MA - December 30, 1994.
>>>>>>>> John Salvi shot and killed Planned
>>>>>>>> Parenthood receptionist Shannon Lowney.
>>>>>>>> Going to a second clinic, he shot and
>>>>>>>> killed receptionist Leanne Nichols.
>>>>>>>> Five others were wounded in the attacks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ANCASTER, ONTARIO - November 10, 1995.
>>>>>>>> Dr. Hugh Short was shot in the elbow
>>>>>>>> by a sniper using a high-powered rifle
>>>>>>>> to shoot through the window of Short's
>>>>>>>> home. Army of God member James Charles
>>>>>>>> Kopp charged in the assassination attempt.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> NEW ORLEANS, LA - December 1996.
>>>>>>>> Dr C. Jackson was brutally stabbed
>>>>>>>> 15 times outside his clinic. The
>>>>>>>> assailant was then arrested at a
>>>>>>>> Baton Rouge clinic as he lay in wait
>>>>>>>> for another doctor.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> WINNIPEG, CANADA - November 11, 1997,
>>>>>>>> Dr. Jack Fainman was shot by a sniper
>>>>>>>> with a high powered rifle while in his
>>>>>>>> home.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ROCHESTER, NY - October 28, 1997.
>>>>>>>> Dr. David Gandell was wounded by flying
>>>>>>>> glass when a sniper with a high powered
>>>>>>>> rifle shot into his home.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> BIRMINGHAM, AL - January 29, 1998.
>>>>>>>> A bomb packed with nails exploded at
>>>>>>>> the New Woman, All Women clinic killing
>>>>>>>> the security guard and maiming a clinic
>>>>>>>> nurse. Army of God claimed credit in
>>>>>>>> letter to news media. Eric Robert Rudolph
>>>>>>>> was charged
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> AMHERST, NY - October 23, 1998.
>>>>>>>> Dr. Barnett Slepian was shot and killed
>>>>>>>> by a sniper with a high powered rifle
>>>>>>>> while standing with his wife and children
>>>>>>>> in the kitchen of his home.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> VANCOUVER, CANADA - July 11, 2000.
>>>>>>>> Dr. Garson Romalis was stabbed in
>>>>>>>> the back
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> WICHITA, KS - May 31, 2009.
>>>>>>>> Dr. George Tiller, a longtime target
>>>>>>>> of anti-abortion extremists, was shot
>>>>>>>> and killed by a single gunshot to his
>>>>>>>> head.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> COLORADO SPRINGS, CO - November 27, 2015.
>>>>>>>> Robert Lewis Dear killed three and injured
>>>>>>>> nine at a Planned Parenthood clinic in
>>>>>>>> Colorado Springs. Dear has been formally
>>>>>>>> charged with 179 felony counts, including
>>>>>>>> eight counts of first-degree murder and
>>>>>>>> 131 counts of attempted first-degree murder.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/4u5w4hpz
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now show that the mainstream of the pro-life movement has ever
>>>>>>> spoken out in favor of these murders.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are more in tune with your
>>>>>> pro-life agitator friends, you show
>>>>>> us where they condemned any abortion
>>>>>> clinic violence. And what they did to
>>>>>> prevent it in the future.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is this yet another of your attempts to force someone to make
>>>>> astatement which you can then attack? Whether or not any one
>>>>> pro-life group has condemned abortion clinic violence is not
>>>>> thepoint. Your claim is that pro-life people support such
>>>>> viplence, and my response was to ask you to support your claim.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Every crime listed above was committed by pro-life people.
>>>>
>>>> And every crime cited below.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> An epidemic of antiabortion violence in the United States
>>>>
>>>> Between 1977-88 there was an epidemic of violence
>>>> directed against abortion clinics. These attacks
>>>> consisted of 110 cases of arson, firebombing, or
>>>> bombing. In 1984 the epidemic reached a peak with
>>>> 29 attacks. 98% of the sites were clinics that
>>>> provided abortion services. During the study period
>>>> 1977-88, the National Abortion Federation reported
>>>> the following violent acts against clinics: 222 clinic
>>>> invasions, 220 acts of clinic vandalism, 216 bomb
>>>> threats, 65 death threats, 46 assault and batteries,
>>>> 20 burglaries, and 2 kidnapings.
>>>> https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1
>>>
>>> Once again Holman, the claim is that the pro-life movement as a
>>> whole
>>
>>
>> Show us such claim. I never said anything
>> about "the pro-life movement as a whole",
>> whatever that is.
>
> I did not say that you have made the claim, but that the claim was
> made:
>
> From a post by Rudy on 16 May about 0921"
> [...]
>


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 by: David Hartung - Thu, 19 May 2022 10:58 UTC

On 5/18/22 20:58, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:B4udnU-2IvLl3hj_nZ2dnUU7-YWdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>
>> On 5/18/22 12:56, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>> David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:POGdnfKWG40oYRn_nZ2dnUU7- eHNnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>>
>>>> On 5/18/22 08:17, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>> David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:FuKdnaM2p8sHWhn_nZ2dnUU7-SWdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/17/22 12:44, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>> David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:nMSdnRBU0fPGOh7_nZ2dnUU7- VWdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 5/17/22 08:37, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in news:chine.bleu-
>>>>>>>>> 0A5A32.04280917052022@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In article <Iv6dnYN-uokeHR7_nZ2dnUU7-V-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>>>>>>>> David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/17/22 03:35, super70s wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <2d2dnVZfeOZpiB7_nZ2dnUU7-UWdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>>>>>>>>>> David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/16/22 22:22, Siri Cruise wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <yf2dnYE_acwAkh7_nZ2dnUU7-Q-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/16/22 19:10, Blue Lives Matter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good for DeSantis.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Absolutely.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No criticism of the people who started this?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You mean the pro abortion Democrats?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Your whacko evangelical side has been shooting abortion
>>>>>>>>>>>> doctors in
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> back for 40 years.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Exactly how many abortion doctors have been shot?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 'Yes......but.....'
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just like school shootings no number will
>>>>>>>>> be high enough for Hartung to care.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> PENSACOLA, FL - March 10, 1993.
>>>>>>>>> Dr. David Gunn was shot and killed
>>>>>>>>> while entering a clinic during an
>>>>>>>>> anti-abortion demonstration by
>>>>>>>>> Rescue America. Michael Griffin
>>>>>>>>> was sentenced to life.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> HOUSTON, TX - 1991. Dr. Karpen was
>>>>>>>>> shot and wounded outside his clinic.
>>>>>>>>> Assailant was never apprehended.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> WICHITA, KANSAS - August 19, 1993.
>>>>>>>>> Dr. George Tiller was shot in both
>>>>>>>>> arms at point-blank range by Rachelle
>>>>>>>>> Shelley Shannon as he was leaving
>>>>>>>>> his clinic. Shannon was sentenced to
>>>>>>>>> 11 years.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> MOBILE, AL - August 21, 1993
>>>>>>>>> Dr. George Patterson is shot to death
>>>>>>>>> in a parking lot
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> PENSACOLA, FL - July, 1994.
>>>>>>>>> Dr. John Bayard Britton and
>>>>>>>>> volunteer clinic escort Lt Col.
>>>>>>>>> James Barrett were murdered by
>>>>>>>>> anti-abortion extremist Paul Hill
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> VANCOUVER, CANADA - November 8,
>>>>>>>>> 1994. Dr. Garson Romalis was shot
>>>>>>>>> and severely wounded in the leg
>>>>>>>>> by a sniper with a high powered
>>>>>>>>> rifle shooting through the window
>>>>>>>>> of Romalis' home. James Charles
>>>>>>>>> Kopp, a member of the Army of God,
>>>>>>>>> remains a primary suspect in the
>>>>>>>>> assassination attempt.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> BROOKLINE, MA - December 30, 1994.
>>>>>>>>> John Salvi shot and killed Planned
>>>>>>>>> Parenthood receptionist Shannon Lowney.
>>>>>>>>> Going to a second clinic, he shot and
>>>>>>>>> killed receptionist Leanne Nichols.
>>>>>>>>> Five others were wounded in the attacks.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ANCASTER, ONTARIO - November 10, 1995.
>>>>>>>>> Dr. Hugh Short was shot in the elbow
>>>>>>>>> by a sniper using a high-powered rifle
>>>>>>>>> to shoot through the window of Short's
>>>>>>>>> home. Army of God member James Charles
>>>>>>>>> Kopp charged in the assassination attempt.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> NEW ORLEANS, LA - December 1996.
>>>>>>>>> Dr C. Jackson was brutally stabbed
>>>>>>>>> 15 times outside his clinic. The
>>>>>>>>> assailant was then arrested at a
>>>>>>>>> Baton Rouge clinic as he lay in wait
>>>>>>>>> for another doctor.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> WINNIPEG, CANADA - November 11, 1997,
>>>>>>>>> Dr. Jack Fainman was shot by a sniper
>>>>>>>>> with a high powered rifle while in his
>>>>>>>>> home.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ROCHESTER, NY - October 28, 1997.
>>>>>>>>> Dr. David Gandell was wounded by flying
>>>>>>>>> glass when a sniper with a high powered
>>>>>>>>> rifle shot into his home.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> BIRMINGHAM, AL - January 29, 1998.
>>>>>>>>> A bomb packed with nails exploded at
>>>>>>>>> the New Woman, All Women clinic killing
>>>>>>>>> the security guard and maiming a clinic
>>>>>>>>> nurse. Army of God claimed credit in
>>>>>>>>> letter to news media. Eric Robert Rudolph
>>>>>>>>> was charged
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> AMHERST, NY - October 23, 1998.
>>>>>>>>> Dr. Barnett Slepian was shot and killed
>>>>>>>>> by a sniper with a high powered rifle
>>>>>>>>> while standing with his wife and children
>>>>>>>>> in the kitchen of his home.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> VANCOUVER, CANADA - July 11, 2000.
>>>>>>>>> Dr. Garson Romalis was stabbed in
>>>>>>>>> the back
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> WICHITA, KS - May 31, 2009.
>>>>>>>>> Dr. George Tiller, a longtime target
>>>>>>>>> of anti-abortion extremists, was shot
>>>>>>>>> and killed by a single gunshot to his
>>>>>>>>> head.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> COLORADO SPRINGS, CO - November 27, 2015.
>>>>>>>>> Robert Lewis Dear killed three and injured
>>>>>>>>> nine at a Planned Parenthood clinic in
>>>>>>>>> Colorado Springs. Dear has been formally
>>>>>>>>> charged with 179 felony counts, including
>>>>>>>>> eight counts of first-degree murder and
>>>>>>>>> 131 counts of attempted first-degree murder.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/4u5w4hpz
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now show that the mainstream of the pro-life movement has ever
>>>>>>>> spoken out in favor of these murders.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You are more in tune with your
>>>>>>> pro-life agitator friends, you show
>>>>>>> us where they condemned any abortion
>>>>>>> clinic violence. And what they did to
>>>>>>> prevent it in the future.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is this yet another of your attempts to force someone to make
>>>>>> astatement which you can then attack? Whether or not any one
>>>>>> pro-life group has condemned abortion clinic violence is not
>>>>>> thepoint. Your claim is that pro-life people support such
>>>>>> viplence, and my response was to ask you to support your claim.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Every crime listed above was committed by pro-life people.
>>>>>
>>>>> And every crime cited below.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> An epidemic of antiabortion violence in the United States
>>>>>
>>>>> Between 1977-88 there was an epidemic of violence
>>>>> directed against abortion clinics. These attacks
>>>>> consisted of 110 cases of arson, firebombing, or
>>>>> bombing. In 1984 the epidemic reached a peak with
>>>>> 29 attacks. 98% of the sites were clinics that
>>>>> provided abortion services. During the study period
>>>>> 1977-88, the National Abortion Federation reported
>>>>> the following violent acts against clinics: 222 clinic
>>>>> invasions, 220 acts of clinic vandalism, 216 bomb
>>>>> threats, 65 death threats, 46 assault and batteries,
>>>>> 20 burglaries, and 2 kidnapings.
>>>>> https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1
>>>>
>>>> Once again Holman, the claim is that the pro-life movement as a
>>>> whole
>>>
>>>
>>> Show us such claim. I never said anything
>>> about "the pro-life movement as a whole",
>>> whatever that is.
>>
>> I did not say that you have made the claim, but that the claim was
>> made:
>>
>> From a post by Rudy on 16 May about 0921"
>> [...]
>>
>
> Huh?
>
> Read the thread above, NO ONE made that claim.
>
> In fact "Rudy" posted NOTHING in this thread.
>
> Have you completely lost it?


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 by: Mitchell Holman - Thu, 19 May 2022 13:25 UTC

David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote in
news:iaydndvEbq5Fvxv_nZ2dnUU7-T-dnZ2d@giganews.com:

> On 5/18/22 20:58, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote in
>> news:B4udnU-2IvLl3hj_nZ2dnUU7-YWdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>
>>> On 5/18/22 12:56, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>> David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote in
>>>> news:POGdnfKWG40oYRn_nZ2dnUU7- eHNnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/18/22 08:17, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>> David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>> news:FuKdnaM2p8sHWhn_nZ2dnUU7-SWdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5/17/22 12:44, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>> David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>> news:nMSdnRBU0fPGOh7_nZ2dnUU7- VWdnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 5/17/22 08:37, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in news:chine.bleu-
>>>>>>>>>> 0A5A32.04280917052022@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In article <Iv6dnYN-uokeHR7_nZ2dnUU7-V-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>>>>>>>>> David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/17/22 03:35, super70s wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <2d2dnVZfeOZpiB7_nZ2dnUU7-UWdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/16/22 22:22, Siri Cruise wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <yf2dnYE_acwAkh7_nZ2dnUU7-Q-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David Hartung <david@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/16/22 19:10, Blue Lives Matter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good for DeSantis.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Absolutely.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No criticism of the people who started this?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You mean the pro abortion Democrats?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your whacko evangelical side has been shooting abortion
>>>>>>>>>>>>> doctors in
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> back for 40 years.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Exactly how many abortion doctors have been shot?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 'Yes......but.....'
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Just like school shootings no number will
>>>>>>>>>> be high enough for Hartung to care.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> PENSACOLA, FL - March 10, 1993.
>>>>>>>>>> Dr. David Gunn was shot and killed
>>>>>>>>>> while entering a clinic during an
>>>>>>>>>> anti-abortion demonstration by
>>>>>>>>>> Rescue America. Michael Griffin
>>>>>>>>>> was sentenced to life.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> HOUSTON, TX - 1991. Dr. Karpen was
>>>>>>>>>> shot and wounded outside his clinic.
>>>>>>>>>> Assailant was never apprehended.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> WICHITA, KANSAS - August 19, 1993.
>>>>>>>>>> Dr. George Tiller was shot in both
>>>>>>>>>> arms at point-blank range by Rachelle
>>>>>>>>>> Shelley Shannon as he was leaving
>>>>>>>>>> his clinic. Shannon was sentenced to
>>>>>>>>>> 11 years.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> MOBILE, AL - August 21, 1993
>>>>>>>>>> Dr. George Patterson is shot to death
>>>>>>>>>> in a parking lot
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> PENSACOLA, FL - July, 1994.
>>>>>>>>>> Dr. John Bayard Britton and
>>>>>>>>>> volunteer clinic escort Lt Col.
>>>>>>>>>> James Barrett were murdered by
>>>>>>>>>> anti-abortion extremist Paul Hill
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> VANCOUVER, CANADA - November 8,
>>>>>>>>>> 1994. Dr. Garson Romalis was shot
>>>>>>>>>> and severely wounded in the leg
>>>>>>>>>> by a sniper with a high powered
>>>>>>>>>> rifle shooting through the window
>>>>>>>>>> of Romalis' home. James Charles
>>>>>>>>>> Kopp, a member of the Army of God,
>>>>>>>>>> remains a primary suspect in the
>>>>>>>>>> assassination attempt.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> BROOKLINE, MA - December 30, 1994.
>>>>>>>>>> John Salvi shot and killed Planned
>>>>>>>>>> Parenthood receptionist Shannon Lowney.
>>>>>>>>>> Going to a second clinic, he shot and
>>>>>>>>>> killed receptionist Leanne Nichols.
>>>>>>>>>> Five others were wounded in the attacks.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ANCASTER, ONTARIO - November 10, 1995.
>>>>>>>>>> Dr. Hugh Short was shot in the elbow
>>>>>>>>>> by a sniper using a high-powered rifle
>>>>>>>>>> to shoot through the window of Short's
>>>>>>>>>> home. Army of God member James Charles
>>>>>>>>>> Kopp charged in the assassination attempt.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> NEW ORLEANS, LA - December 1996.
>>>>>>>>>> Dr C. Jackson was brutally stabbed
>>>>>>>>>> 15 times outside his clinic. The
>>>>>>>>>> assailant was then arrested at a
>>>>>>>>>> Baton Rouge clinic as he lay in wait
>>>>>>>>>> for another doctor.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> WINNIPEG, CANADA - November 11, 1997,
>>>>>>>>>> Dr. Jack Fainman was shot by a sniper
>>>>>>>>>> with a high powered rifle while in his
>>>>>>>>>> home.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ROCHESTER, NY - October 28, 1997.
>>>>>>>>>> Dr. David Gandell was wounded by flying
>>>>>>>>>> glass when a sniper with a high powered
>>>>>>>>>> rifle shot into his home.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> BIRMINGHAM, AL - January 29, 1998.
>>>>>>>>>> A bomb packed with nails exploded at
>>>>>>>>>> the New Woman, All Women clinic killing
>>>>>>>>>> the security guard and maiming a clinic
>>>>>>>>>> nurse. Army of God claimed credit in
>>>>>>>>>> letter to news media. Eric Robert Rudolph
>>>>>>>>>> was charged
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> AMHERST, NY - October 23, 1998.
>>>>>>>>>> Dr. Barnett Slepian was shot and killed
>>>>>>>>>> by a sniper with a high powered rifle
>>>>>>>>>> while standing with his wife and children
>>>>>>>>>> in the kitchen of his home.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> VANCOUVER, CANADA - July 11, 2000.
>>>>>>>>>> Dr. Garson Romalis was stabbed in
>>>>>>>>>> the back
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> WICHITA, KS - May 31, 2009.
>>>>>>>>>> Dr. George Tiller, a longtime target
>>>>>>>>>> of anti-abortion extremists, was shot
>>>>>>>>>> and killed by a single gunshot to his
>>>>>>>>>> head.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> COLORADO SPRINGS, CO - November 27, 2015.
>>>>>>>>>> Robert Lewis Dear killed three and injured
>>>>>>>>>> nine at a Planned Parenthood clinic in
>>>>>>>>>> Colorado Springs. Dear has been formally
>>>>>>>>>> charged with 179 felony counts, including
>>>>>>>>>> eight counts of first-degree murder and
>>>>>>>>>> 131 counts of attempted first-degree murder.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/4u5w4hpz
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Now show that the mainstream of the pro-life movement has ever
>>>>>>>>> spoken out in favor of these murders.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You are more in tune with your
>>>>>>>> pro-life agitator friends, you show
>>>>>>>> us where they condemned any abortion
>>>>>>>> clinic violence. And what they did to
>>>>>>>> prevent it in the future.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is this yet another of your attempts to force someone to make
>>>>>>> astatement which you can then attack? Whether or not any one
>>>>>>> pro-life group has condemned abortion clinic violence is not
>>>>>>> thepoint. Your claim is that pro-life people support such
>>>>>>> viplence, and my response was to ask you to support your claim.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Every crime listed above was committed by pro-life
>>>>>> people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And every crime cited below.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> An epidemic of antiabortion violence in the United States
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Between 1977-88 there was an epidemic of violence
>>>>>> directed against abortion clinics. These attacks
>>>>>> consisted of 110 cases of arson, firebombing, or
>>>>>> bombing. In 1984 the epidemic reached a peak with
>>>>>> 29 attacks. 98% of the sites were clinics that
>>>>>> provided abortion services. During the study period
>>>>>> 1977-88, the National Abortion Federation reported
>>>>>> the following violent acts against clinics: 222 clinic
>>>>>> invasions, 220 acts of clinic vandalism, 216 bomb
>>>>>> threats, 65 death threats, 46 assault and batteries,
>>>>>> 20 burglaries, and 2 kidnapings.
>>>>>> https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1
>>>>>
>>>>> Once again Holman, the claim is that the pro-life movement as a
>>>>> whole
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Show us such claim. I never said anything
>>>> about "the pro-life movement as a whole",
>>>> whatever that is.
>>>
>>> I did not say that you have made the claim, but that the claim was
>>> made:
>>>
>>> From a post by Rudy on 16 May about 0921"
>>> [...]
>>>
>>
>> Huh?
>>
>> Read the thread above, NO ONE made that claim.
>>
>> In fact "Rudy" posted NOTHING in this thread.
>>
>> Have you completely lost it?
>
> You deleted the quote I provided and then say that the quote doesn't
> exist.
>
>


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 by: 25.BX945 - Tue, 17 May 2022 02:30 UTC

On 5/16/22 8:10 PM, Blue Lives Matter wrote:
> On 16 May 2022 23:31:50 -0000, bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman)
> wrote:
>
>> |
>> | Florida Governor Ron DeSantis signs bill banning "picketing
>> | and protesting" outside a private residence
>> | ...
>> <https://www.cbsnews.com/news/protests-roe-v-wade-homes-florida-ron-desantis-ban/>
>>
>> --bks
>>
>> May 2022: The month that "Libertarians" were exposed.
>
> Good for DeSantis.

It's not an ideal law - but, in the current climate, it
has become NECESSARY. Those lefty "protestors"/"demonstrators"
aren't "peaceful" anymore - they're out to intimidate, to
to *terrorize*.

What is "terrorism" ? Kinda like porn - you can't exactly
define it, but you know it when you see it. This law gets
around the "can't exactly define it" problem.

BUT, if the political climate moderates ... if ... then
this law should be modified or withdrawn. Think of it
as a Title-42 fix for a citizenry currently infected
with ideological rabies.

As for who's "after" the 1st amendment - look no further
than Joes Thought Police / Ministry Of Truth ...... wow.

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 by: Mitchell Holman - Tue, 17 May 2022 02:36 UTC

"25.BX945" <25BZ495@nada.net> wrote in
news:b96dnQGPhcRClR7_nZ2dnUU7-WXNnZ2d@earthlink.com:

> On 5/16/22 8:10 PM, Blue Lives Matter wrote:
>> On 16 May 2022 23:31:50 -0000, bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman)
>> wrote:
>>
>>> |
>>> | Florida Governor Ron DeSantis signs bill banning "picketing
>>> | and protesting" outside a private residence
>>> | ...
>>> <https://www.cbsnews.com/news/protests-roe-v-wade-homes-florida-ron-d
>>> esantis-ban/>
>>>
>>> --bks
>>>
>>> May 2022: The month that "Libertarians" were exposed.
>>
>> Good for DeSantis.
>
> It's not an ideal law - but, in the current climate, it
> has become NECESSARY. Those lefty "protestors"/"demonstrators"
> aren't "peaceful" anymore - they're out to intimidate, to
> to *terrorize*.
>
> What is "terrorism" ?

Terrorism is the supporters of
"pro-life" bombing health care clinics
and shooting doctors in the back.

But you knew that already, right?

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 by: Siri Cruise - Tue, 17 May 2022 03:29 UTC

In article <b96dnQGPhcRClR7_nZ2dnUU7-WXNnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
"25.BX945" <25BZ495@nada.net> wrote:

> It's not an ideal law - but, in the current climate, it
> has become NECESSARY. Those lefty "protestors"/"demonstrators"
> aren't "peaceful" anymore - they're out to intimidate, to
> to *terrorize*.

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1993-07-11-mn-12212-story.
html

16 Anti-Abortion Protesters Arrested in San Jose : Rally:
Picketers taking part in Operation Rescue’s nationwide effort are
accused of targeting a doctor’s home.

> What is "terrorism" ? Kinda like porn - you can't exactly

As usual I could find it in the US Code in a few seconds. You
will never be able to find it. Paragraph (5).

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