Over the years I've been highly interested in a book on the White family at Caldecote and Newport Pagnell, Buckinghamshire, who had descendants at Philadelphia and other places in Pennsylvania and Maryland. Their American descendants include the wife of Declaration-signer Robert Morris ("the Financier"), William White, Bishop of Pennsylvania, and some members of the current Berwind family behind the coal-pharmaceutical-chemical concern of that name.

One of the reasons I like the book is the detailed genealogical chart of English ancestry. The connection seems to be proved by William White, the future Bishop, mentioning a trip to England around 1770 during which
he journeyed to Twickenham to see two surviving aunts, formerly the White sisters: "One of the sisters, Mrs. Midwinter, died within a year of my going to England. I was received by the survivors, Mrs. White and Mrs. Weeks, as a son."

https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Church_Review/RbwwAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=twickenham+aunts+midwinter&pg=PA356&printsec=frontcover

"Mrs. White" was a maiden lady, and here given the honorific title of "Mistress," which does not indicate she was married. The will of Sarah (White) Midwinter mentions her brother Thomas of Philadelphia, thereby proving the connection to America:

https://www.google.com/books/edition/Account_of_the_meeting_of_the_descendant/c5UNAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=twickenham+sarah+midwinter&pg=PA122&printsec=frontcover

The large genealogical chart, while interesting, is a bit flawed. Take a look at the ancestor William White (d. 1676) who is shown with two wives, (1) Catherine Best, and (2) Anne (Sanders) Juxon, on the fold-out chart between pp. 124-25 (he is right on the crease):

https://www.google.com/books/edition/Account_of_the_meeting_of_the_descendant/c5UNAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22downes%20his%20wife%22

This man, William White, haberdasher of London, who died in 1676, did have a second wife Anne, but I think his first wife, or at least the mother of his children, was actually Rebecca Hobson, daughter of William Hobson, haberdasher of Hackney, whose will of 1661 mentions the six children of his deceased daughter Rebecca, wife of William White. He also mentions his daughter Sarah, the wife of "Jesper" [Jasper] White. Consult the large chart, and you'll see clearly that William White (d. 1676) had a brother named Jasper White, said there to have married a wife Sarah.

I think this was the White brothers marrying the two Hobson sisters. Notice that Jasper White had a daughter Rose, which was the name of haberdasher William Hobson's wife, identified as Rose Franklin of co. Middlesex in the 1635 London Visitation.

I don't find a clear marriage record for William White and Rebecca, though something dated 6 Aug. 1641 at Hackney shows up on IGI batch (I03553-9), without providing the wife's name. Jasper White and Sarah Hobson were married 22 June 1649 at St. Bartholomew the Less (per IGI Batch I02266-5).

William Hobson's will:

https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_New_England_Historical_and_Genealogi/Jj8rDwmlYtgC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22the+wife+of+jesper+white%22&pg=PA161&printsec=frontcover

William Hobson's will also mentions "grandson William White," who would presumably be the oldest son of William and Rebecca (Hobson) White.

William Hobson's daughter Rose (Hobson) Disborowe's will of 1698 mentions her "nephew Mr. William White the elder" [who died 1709] and another "Mr. William White the younger" who is the son of the "elder" (also died around 1708/9, see chart).

https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_New_England_Historical_and_Genealogi/Jj8rDwmlYtgC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=rose+hobson+nephew+william+white&pg=PA160&printsec=frontcover

What is most suggestive of this Hobson descent is Rose (Hobson) Disborowe's mention in her will of her "nephew Mr. Samuel Browne and niece Mrs. Elizabeth Browne." Check the chart in the book and notice that William White, haberdasher, d. 1676, had a daughter Elizabeth White who married [1st] George Saunders (who died 1694/5) and [2nd] to a Samuel Browne who later administered her estate.

On Wednesday, July 7, 2021 at 10:31:48 AM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> Over the years I've been highly interested in a book on the White family at Caldecote and Newport Pagnell, Buckinghamshire, who had descendants at Philadelphia and other places in Pennsylvania and Maryland. Their American descendants include the wife of Declaration-signer Robert Morris ("the Financier"), William White, Bishop of Pennsylvania, and some members of the current Berwind family behind the coal-pharmaceutical-chemical concern of that name.
>
> One of the reasons I like the book is the detailed genealogical chart of English ancestry. The connection seems to be proved by William White, the future Bishop, mentioning a trip to England around 1770 during which
> he journeyed to Twickenham to see two surviving aunts, formerly the White sisters: "One of the sisters, Mrs. Midwinter, died within a year of my going to England. I was received by the survivors, Mrs. White and Mrs. Weeks, as a son."
>
> https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Church_Review/RbwwAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=twickenham+aunts+midwinter&pg=PA356&printsec=frontcover
>
> "Mrs. White" was a maiden lady, and here given the honorific title of "Mistress," which does not indicate she was married. The will of Sarah (White) Midwinter mentions her brother Thomas of Philadelphia, thereby proving the connection to America:
>
> https://www.google.com/books/edition/Account_of_the_meeting_of_the_descendant/c5UNAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=twickenham+sarah+midwinter&pg=PA122&printsec=frontcover
>
> The large genealogical chart, while interesting, is a bit flawed. Take a look at the ancestor William White (d. 1676) who is shown with two wives, (1) Catherine Best, and (2) Anne (Sanders) Juxon, on the fold-out chart between pp. 124-25 (he is right on the crease):
>
> https://www.google.com/books/edition/Account_of_the_meeting_of_the_descendant/c5UNAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22downes%20his%20wife%22
>
> This man, William White, haberdasher of London, who died in 1676, did have a second wife Anne, but I think his first wife, or at least the mother of his children, was actually Rebecca Hobson, daughter of William Hobson, haberdasher of Hackney, whose will of 1661 mentions the six children of his deceased daughter Rebecca, wife of William White. He also mentions his daughter Sarah, the wife of "Jesper" [Jasper] White. Consult the large chart, and you'll see clearly that William White (d. 1676) had a brother named Jasper White, said there to have married a wife Sarah.
>
> I think this was the White brothers marrying the two Hobson sisters. Notice that Jasper White had a daughter Rose, which was the name of haberdasher William Hobson's wife, identified as Rose Franklin of co. Middlesex in the 1635 London Visitation.
>
> I don't find a clear marriage record for William White and Rebecca, though something dated 6 Aug. 1641 at Hackney shows up on IGI batch (I03553-9), without providing the wife's name. Jasper White and Sarah Hobson were married 22 June 1649 at St. Bartholomew the Less (per IGI Batch I02266-5).
>
> William Hobson's will:
>
> https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_New_England_Historical_and_Genealogi/Jj8rDwmlYtgC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22the+wife+of+jesper+white%22&pg=PA161&printsec=frontcover
>
> William Hobson's will also mentions "grandson William White," who would presumably be the oldest son of William and Rebecca (Hobson) White.
>
> William Hobson's daughter Rose (Hobson) Disborowe's will of 1698 mentions her "nephew Mr. William White the elder" [who died 1709] and another "Mr. William White the younger" who is the son of the "elder" (also died around 1708/9, see chart).
>
> https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_New_England_Historical_and_Genealogi/Jj8rDwmlYtgC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=rose+hobson+nephew+william+white&pg=PA160&printsec=frontcover
>
> What is most suggestive of this Hobson descent is Rose (Hobson) Disborowe's mention in her will of her "nephew Mr. Samuel Browne and niece Mrs. Elizabeth Browne." Check the chart in the book and notice that William White, haberdasher, d. 1676, had a daughter Elizabeth White who married [1st] George Saunders (who died 1694/5) and [2nd] to a Samuel Browne who later administered her estate.

The aunt Rose's entire string of names was Rose (Hobson) (Lascell) (Pennoyer) Disborowe/ Desborowe.

https://www.google.com/books/edition/Essex_Institute_Historical_Collections/ZPgWAAAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=rose+lacell+pennoyer&pg=PA135&printsec=frontcover

On Wednesday, July 7, 2021 at 11:42:14 AM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 7, 2021 at 10:31:48 AM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > Over the years I've been highly interested in a book on the White family at Caldecote and Newport Pagnell, Buckinghamshire, who had descendants at Philadelphia and other places in Pennsylvania and Maryland. Their American descendants include the wife of Declaration-signer Robert Morris ("the Financier"), William White, Bishop of Pennsylvania, and some members of the current Berwind family behind the coal-pharmaceutical-chemical concern of that name.
> >
> > One of the reasons I like the book is the detailed genealogical chart of English ancestry. The connection seems to be proved by William White, the future Bishop, mentioning a trip to England around 1770 during which
> > he journeyed to Twickenham to see two surviving aunts, formerly the White sisters: "One of the sisters, Mrs. Midwinter, died within a year of my going to England. I was received by the survivors, Mrs. White and Mrs. Weeks, as a son."
> >
> > https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Church_Review/RbwwAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=twickenham+aunts+midwinter&pg=PA356&printsec=frontcover
> >
> > "Mrs. White" was a maiden lady, and here given the honorific title of "Mistress," which does not indicate she was married. The will of Sarah (White) Midwinter mentions her brother Thomas of Philadelphia, thereby proving the connection to America:
> >
> > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Account_of_the_meeting_of_the_descendant/c5UNAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=twickenham+sarah+midwinter&pg=PA122&printsec=frontcover
> >
> > The large genealogical chart, while interesting, is a bit flawed. Take a look at the ancestor William White (d. 1676) who is shown with two wives, (1) Catherine Best, and (2) Anne (Sanders) Juxon, on the fold-out chart between pp. 124-25 (he is right on the crease):
> >
> > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Account_of_the_meeting_of_the_descendant/c5UNAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22downes%20his%20wife%22
> >
> > This man, William White, haberdasher of London, who died in 1676, did have a second wife Anne, but I think his first wife, or at least the mother of his children, was actually Rebecca Hobson, daughter of William Hobson, haberdasher of Hackney, whose will of 1661 mentions the six children of his deceased daughter Rebecca, wife of William White. He also mentions his daughter Sarah, the wife of "Jesper" [Jasper] White. Consult the large chart, and you'll see clearly that William White (d. 1676) had a brother named Jasper White, said there to have married a wife Sarah.
> >
> > I think this was the White brothers marrying the two Hobson sisters. Notice that Jasper White had a daughter Rose, which was the name of haberdasher William Hobson's wife, identified as Rose Franklin of co. Middlesex in the 1635 London Visitation.
> >
> > I don't find a clear marriage record for William White and Rebecca, though something dated 6 Aug. 1641 at Hackney shows up on IGI batch (I03553-9), without providing the wife's name. Jasper White and Sarah Hobson were married 22 June 1649 at St. Bartholomew the Less (per IGI Batch I02266-5).
> >
> > William Hobson's will:
> >
> > https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_New_England_Historical_and_Genealogi/Jj8rDwmlYtgC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22the+wife+of+jesper+white%22&pg=PA161&printsec=frontcover
> >
> > William Hobson's will also mentions "grandson William White," who would presumably be the oldest son of William and Rebecca (Hobson) White.
> >
> > William Hobson's daughter Rose (Hobson) Disborowe's will of 1698 mentions her "nephew Mr. William White the elder" [who died 1709] and another "Mr.. William White the younger" who is the son of the "elder" (also died around 1708/9, see chart).
> >
> > https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_New_England_Historical_and_Genealogi/Jj8rDwmlYtgC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=rose+hobson+nephew+william+white&pg=PA160&printsec=frontcover
> >
> > What is most suggestive of this Hobson descent is Rose (Hobson) Disborowe's mention in her will of her "nephew Mr. Samuel Browne and niece Mrs. Elizabeth Browne." Check the chart in the book and notice that William White, haberdasher, d. 1676, had a daughter Elizabeth White who married [1st] George Saunders (who died 1694/5) and [2nd] to a Samuel Browne who later administered her estate.
> The aunt Rose's entire string of names was Rose (Hobson) (Lascell) (Pennoyer) Disborowe/ Desborowe.
>
> https://www.google.com/books/edition/Essex_Institute_Historical_Collections/ZPgWAAAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=rose+lacell+pennoyer&pg=PA135&printsec=frontcover

These American Whites had the following line:

1. Robert Downes, yeoman/ apothecary/ gent., of Leighton Buzzard, Beds. = (1) Sarah Saunders of Wavenden, Bucks.; (2) Christian ----, living 1704

2. Susannah Downes, apparently born 1648, died Jan. 1690/91 Leighton Buzzard = ca. 1675, John Leigh (ca. 1645-1686), citizen and stationer of London, buried Leighton Buzzard

3. Elizabeth Leigh, died Aug. 1742, aged 66, bur. Leighton Buzzard = (slightly bef. 2 Feb. 1696/7, date of antenuptial settlement) to Thomas White, mercer of London, bur. Feb. 1708/9 St. Martin's Ludgate

4. Thomas White of Philadelphia

For more on Sarah Saunders of the first generation, specifically called mother of _all_ the children of Robert Downes, see p. 114 of _Account of the Meeting of the Descendants of Colonel Thomas White of Maryland_ (Philadelphia, 1879): "His first wife, and the mother of his children, was Sarah, one of the daughters of Richard Saunders, Esquire, of Wavendon, Co. Bucks., who died in 1639, and on whose monument it is recorded that he had four wives, and 27 children (see Lipscomb's _History of Buckinghamshire_, vol. iv p. 396). Of which of these four wives Sarah was the daughter is not known, as she was not baptized at Wavendon, but she was named in her father's will, dated 17 May, 1636, evidently as one of his younger children ..."

Sarah's father, Richard Saunders of Wavendon, left a monumental inscription stating:

"In this chancel lyeth buried the body of Richard Saunders, whose ancestors are interred at Battlesdon and Potsgrave, in the County of Bedford ; which Richard had 4 wives, Eliz. Charge, Frances Fitzhugh, Beatrice Annesley, & Fraunces Staunton, by whom he had 27 children. He died July 15, 1639, aged 76."

https://books.google.com/books?id=mXkgAQAAMAAJ&q=wavendon#v=snippet&q=wavendon&f=false

Supposing that Sarah (Saunders) Downes was one of the younger children, she may have been the daughter of one of the later wives, say Beatrice Annesley or Frances Stanton.

The parentage of Beatrice Annesley is reported in Collins' _Peerage_ of 1735 in an article on "Annesley, Earl of Anglesea:" "ROBERT [Annesley] the eldest, married Beatrix, Da. to John Cornwall of Moor-Park in the C. of Hertford, Esq; and by her had two sons, Francis and Robert, and three Daughters; 1. Beatrix married to Richard Saunders of Wavedon in Bucks, Esq. ...etc."

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=osu.32435021040126&view=1up&seq=301&skin=2021&q1=annesley%20cornwall

Depending on whether or not Moor-Park is in Hertfordshire, or possibly Herefordshire, as sometimes said, there could be a royal line through this Cornwall family.

The identity of the last wife, Frances Stanton, is shown very clearly in the Buckingham Visitation of 1634, p. 114, where Richard "Sander's" wife Frances is given as a daughter of Reginald Stanton of "Smewens," Bucks., by his wife Elizabeth, daughter of Anthony Shuckborough of Northamptonshire.

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015039595502&view=1up&seq=134&skin=2021&q1=stanton

Frances Stanton would most likely have an RD of some description through her paternal grandmother, Elizabeth, who was the daughter of a Reginald Gray, called brother of Lord Gray.

On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 4:36:20 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 7, 2021 at 11:42:14 AM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > On Wednesday, July 7, 2021 at 10:31:48 AM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > > Over the years I've been highly interested in a book on the White family at Caldecote and Newport Pagnell, Buckinghamshire, who had descendants at Philadelphia and other places in Pennsylvania and Maryland. Their American descendants include the wife of Declaration-signer Robert Morris ("the Financier"), William White, Bishop of Pennsylvania, and some members of the current Berwind family behind the coal-pharmaceutical-chemical concern of that name.
> > >
> > > One of the reasons I like the book is the detailed genealogical chart of English ancestry. The connection seems to be proved by William White, the future Bishop, mentioning a trip to England around 1770 during which
> > > he journeyed to Twickenham to see two surviving aunts, formerly the White sisters: "One of the sisters, Mrs. Midwinter, died within a year of my going to England. I was received by the survivors, Mrs. White and Mrs. Weeks, as a son."
> > >
> > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Church_Review/RbwwAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=twickenham+aunts+midwinter&pg=PA356&printsec=frontcover
> > >
> > > "Mrs. White" was a maiden lady, and here given the honorific title of "Mistress," which does not indicate she was married. The will of Sarah (White) Midwinter mentions her brother Thomas of Philadelphia, thereby proving the connection to America:
> > >
> > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Account_of_the_meeting_of_the_descendant/c5UNAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=twickenham+sarah+midwinter&pg=PA122&printsec=frontcover
> > >
> > > The large genealogical chart, while interesting, is a bit flawed. Take a look at the ancestor William White (d. 1676) who is shown with two wives, (1) Catherine Best, and (2) Anne (Sanders) Juxon, on the fold-out chart between pp. 124-25 (he is right on the crease):
> > >
> > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Account_of_the_meeting_of_the_descendant/c5UNAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22downes%20his%20wife%22
> > >
> > > This man, William White, haberdasher of London, who died in 1676, did have a second wife Anne, but I think his first wife, or at least the mother of his children, was actually Rebecca Hobson, daughter of William Hobson, haberdasher of Hackney, whose will of 1661 mentions the six children of his deceased daughter Rebecca, wife of William White. He also mentions his daughter Sarah, the wife of "Jesper" [Jasper] White. Consult the large chart, and you'll see clearly that William White (d. 1676) had a brother named Jasper White, said there to have married a wife Sarah.
> > >
> > > I think this was the White brothers marrying the two Hobson sisters. Notice that Jasper White had a daughter Rose, which was the name of haberdasher William Hobson's wife, identified as Rose Franklin of co. Middlesex in the 1635 London Visitation.
> > >
> > > I don't find a clear marriage record for William White and Rebecca, though something dated 6 Aug. 1641 at Hackney shows up on IGI batch (I03553-9), without providing the wife's name. Jasper White and Sarah Hobson were married 22 June 1649 at St. Bartholomew the Less (per IGI Batch I02266-5).
> > >
> > > William Hobson's will:
> > >
> > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_New_England_Historical_and_Genealogi/Jj8rDwmlYtgC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22the+wife+of+jesper+white%22&pg=PA161&printsec=frontcover
> > >
> > > William Hobson's will also mentions "grandson William White," who would presumably be the oldest son of William and Rebecca (Hobson) White.
> > >
> > > William Hobson's daughter Rose (Hobson) Disborowe's will of 1698 mentions her "nephew Mr. William White the elder" [who died 1709] and another "Mr. William White the younger" who is the son of the "elder" (also died around 1708/9, see chart).
> > >
> > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_New_England_Historical_and_Genealogi/Jj8rDwmlYtgC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=rose+hobson+nephew+william+white&pg=PA160&printsec=frontcover
> > >
> > > What is most suggestive of this Hobson descent is Rose (Hobson) Disborowe's mention in her will of her "nephew Mr. Samuel Browne and niece Mrs. Elizabeth Browne." Check the chart in the book and notice that William White, haberdasher, d. 1676, had a daughter Elizabeth White who married [1st] George Saunders (who died 1694/5) and [2nd] to a Samuel Browne who later administered her estate.
> > The aunt Rose's entire string of names was Rose (Hobson) (Lascell) (Pennoyer) Disborowe/ Desborowe.
> >
> > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Essex_Institute_Historical_Collections/ZPgWAAAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=rose+lacell+pennoyer&pg=PA135&printsec=frontcover
> These American Whites had the following line:
>
> 1. Robert Downes, yeoman/ apothecary/ gent., of Leighton Buzzard, Beds. = (1) Sarah Saunders of Wavenden, Bucks.; (2) Christian ----, living 1704
>
> 2. Susannah Downes, apparently born 1648, died Jan. 1690/91 Leighton Buzzard = ca. 1675, John Leigh (ca. 1645-1686), citizen and stationer of London, buried Leighton Buzzard
>
> 3. Elizabeth Leigh, died Aug. 1742, aged 66, bur. Leighton Buzzard = (slightly bef. 2 Feb. 1696/7, date of antenuptial settlement) to Thomas White, mercer of London, bur. Feb. 1708/9 St. Martin's Ludgate
>
> 4. Thomas White of Philadelphia
>
> For more on Sarah Saunders of the first generation, specifically called mother of _all_ the children of Robert Downes, see p. 114 of _Account of the Meeting of the Descendants of Colonel Thomas White of Maryland_ (Philadelphia, 1879): "His first wife, and the mother of his children, was Sarah, one of the daughters of Richard Saunders, Esquire, of Wavendon, Co. Bucks., who died in 1639, and on whose monument it is recorded that he had four wives, and 27 children (see Lipscomb's _History of Buckinghamshire_, vol. iv p. 396). Of which of these four wives Sarah was the daughter is not known, as she was not baptized at Wavendon, but she was named in her father's will, dated 17 May, 1636, evidently as one of his younger children ..."
>
> Sarah's father, Richard Saunders of Wavendon, left a monumental inscription stating:
>
> "In this chancel lyeth buried the body of Richard Saunders, whose ancestors are interred at Battlesdon and Potsgrave, in the County of Bedford ; which Richard had 4 wives, Eliz. Charge, Frances Fitzhugh, Beatrice Annesley, & Fraunces Staunton, by whom he had 27 children. He died July 15, 1639, aged 76."
>
> https://books.google.com/books?id=mXkgAQAAMAAJ&q=wavendon#v=snippet&q=wavendon&f=false
>
> Supposing that Sarah (Saunders) Downes was one of the younger children, she may have been the daughter of one of the later wives, say Beatrice Annesley or Frances Stanton.
>
> The parentage of Beatrice Annesley is reported in Collins' _Peerage_ of 1735 in an article on "Annesley, Earl of Anglesea:" "ROBERT [Annesley] the eldest, married Beatrix, Da. to John Cornwall of Moor-Park in the C. of Hertford, Esq; and by her had two sons, Francis and Robert, and three Daughters; 1. Beatrix married to Richard Saunders of Wavedon in Bucks, Esq. ...etc."
>
> https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=osu.32435021040126&view=1up&seq=301&skin=2021&q1=annesley%20cornwall
>
> Depending on whether or not Moor-Park is in Hertfordshire, or possibly Herefordshire, as sometimes said, there could be a royal line through this Cornwall family.
>
> The identity of the last wife, Frances Stanton, is shown very clearly in the Buckingham Visitation of 1634, p. 114, where Richard "Sander's" wife Frances is given as a daughter of Reginald Stanton of "Smewens," Bucks., by his wife Elizabeth, daughter of Anthony Shuckborough of Northamptonshire.
>
> https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015039595502&view=1up&seq=134&skin=2021&q1=stanton
>
> Frances Stanton would most likely have an RD of some description through her paternal grandmother, Elizabeth, who was the daughter of a Reginald Gray, called brother of Lord Gray.

Correct Elizabeth Leigh's husband to WILLIAM White, mercer of London, bur. Feb. 1708/9 St. Martin's Ludgate.

On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 4:58:25 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 4:36:20 PM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > On Wednesday, July 7, 2021 at 11:42:14 AM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, July 7, 2021 at 10:31:48 AM UTC-4, Johnny Brananas wrote:
> > > > Over the years I've been highly interested in a book on the White family at Caldecote and Newport Pagnell, Buckinghamshire, who had descendants at Philadelphia and other places in Pennsylvania and Maryland. Their American descendants include the wife of Declaration-signer Robert Morris ("the Financier"), William White, Bishop of Pennsylvania, and some members of the current Berwind family behind the coal-pharmaceutical-chemical concern of that name.
> > > >
> > > > One of the reasons I like the book is the detailed genealogical chart of English ancestry. The connection seems to be proved by William White, the future Bishop, mentioning a trip to England around 1770 during which
> > > > he journeyed to Twickenham to see two surviving aunts, formerly the White sisters: "One of the sisters, Mrs. Midwinter, died within a year of my going to England. I was received by the survivors, Mrs. White and Mrs. Weeks, as a son."
> > > >
> > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Church_Review/RbwwAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=twickenham+aunts+midwinter&pg=PA356&printsec=frontcover
> > > >
> > > > "Mrs. White" was a maiden lady, and here given the honorific title of "Mistress," which does not indicate she was married. The will of Sarah (White) Midwinter mentions her brother Thomas of Philadelphia, thereby proving the connection to America:
> > > >
> > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Account_of_the_meeting_of_the_descendant/c5UNAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=twickenham+sarah+midwinter&pg=PA122&printsec=frontcover
> > > >
> > > > The large genealogical chart, while interesting, is a bit flawed. Take a look at the ancestor William White (d. 1676) who is shown with two wives, (1) Catherine Best, and (2) Anne (Sanders) Juxon, on the fold-out chart between pp. 124-25 (he is right on the crease):
> > > >
> > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Account_of_the_meeting_of_the_descendant/c5UNAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22downes%20his%20wife%22
> > > >
> > > > This man, William White, haberdasher of London, who died in 1676, did have a second wife Anne, but I think his first wife, or at least the mother of his children, was actually Rebecca Hobson, daughter of William Hobson, haberdasher of Hackney, whose will of 1661 mentions the six children of his deceased daughter Rebecca, wife of William White. He also mentions his daughter Sarah, the wife of "Jesper" [Jasper] White. Consult the large chart, and you'll see clearly that William White (d. 1676) had a brother named Jasper White, said there to have married a wife Sarah.
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> > > > I think this was the White brothers marrying the two Hobson sisters.. Notice that Jasper White had a daughter Rose, which was the name of haberdasher William Hobson's wife, identified as Rose Franklin of co. Middlesex in the 1635 London Visitation.
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> > > > I don't find a clear marriage record for William White and Rebecca, though something dated 6 Aug. 1641 at Hackney shows up on IGI batch (I03553-9), without providing the wife's name. Jasper White and Sarah Hobson were married 22 June 1649 at St. Bartholomew the Less (per IGI Batch I02266-5).
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> > > > William Hobson's will:
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> > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_New_England_Historical_and_Genealogi/Jj8rDwmlYtgC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22the+wife+of+jesper+white%22&pg=PA161&printsec=frontcover
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> > > > William Hobson's will also mentions "grandson William White," who would presumably be the oldest son of William and Rebecca (Hobson) White.
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> > > > William Hobson's daughter Rose (Hobson) Disborowe's will of 1698 mentions her "nephew Mr. William White the elder" [who died 1709] and another "Mr. William White the younger" who is the son of the "elder" (also died around 1708/9, see chart).
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> > > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_New_England_Historical_and_Genealogi/Jj8rDwmlYtgC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=rose+hobson+nephew+william+white&pg=PA160&printsec=frontcover
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> > > > What is most suggestive of this Hobson descent is Rose (Hobson) Disborowe's mention in her will of her "nephew Mr. Samuel Browne and niece Mrs.. Elizabeth Browne." Check the chart in the book and notice that William White, haberdasher, d. 1676, had a daughter Elizabeth White who married [1st] George Saunders (who died 1694/5) and [2nd] to a Samuel Browne who later administered her estate.
> > > The aunt Rose's entire string of names was Rose (Hobson) (Lascell) (Pennoyer) Disborowe/ Desborowe.
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> > > https://www.google.com/books/edition/Essex_Institute_Historical_Collections/ZPgWAAAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=rose+lacell+pennoyer&pg=PA135&printsec=frontcover
> > These American Whites had the following line:
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> > 1. Robert Downes, yeoman/ apothecary/ gent., of Leighton Buzzard, Beds. = (1) Sarah Saunders of Wavenden, Bucks.; (2) Christian ----, living 1704
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> > 2. Susannah Downes, apparently born 1648, died Jan. 1690/91 Leighton Buzzard = ca. 1675, John Leigh (ca. 1645-1686), citizen and stationer of London, buried Leighton Buzzard
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> > 3. Elizabeth Leigh, died Aug. 1742, aged 66, bur. Leighton Buzzard = (slightly bef. 2 Feb. 1696/7, date of antenuptial settlement) to Thomas White, mercer of London, bur. Feb. 1708/9 St. Martin's Ludgate
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> > 4. Thomas White of Philadelphia
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> > For more on Sarah Saunders of the first generation, specifically called mother of _all_ the children of Robert Downes, see p. 114 of _Account of the Meeting of the Descendants of Colonel Thomas White of Maryland_ (Philadelphia, 1879): "His first wife, and the mother of his children, was Sarah, one of the daughters of Richard Saunders, Esquire, of Wavendon, Co. Bucks., who died in 1639, and on whose monument it is recorded that he had four wives, and 27 children (see Lipscomb's _History of Buckinghamshire_, vol. iv p.. 396). Of which of these four wives Sarah was the daughter is not known, as she was not baptized at Wavendon, but she was named in her father's will, dated 17 May, 1636, evidently as one of his younger children ..."
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> > Sarah's father, Richard Saunders of Wavendon, left a monumental inscription stating:
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> > "In this chancel lyeth buried the body of Richard Saunders, whose ancestors are interred at Battlesdon and Potsgrave, in the County of Bedford ; which Richard had 4 wives, Eliz. Charge, Frances Fitzhugh, Beatrice Annesley, & Fraunces Staunton, by whom he had 27 children. He died July 15, 1639, aged 76."
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> > https://books.google.com/books?id=mXkgAQAAMAAJ&q=wavendon#v=snippet&q=wavendon&f=false
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> > Supposing that Sarah (Saunders) Downes was one of the younger children, she may have been the daughter of one of the later wives, say Beatrice Annesley or Frances Stanton.
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> > The parentage of Beatrice Annesley is reported in Collins' _Peerage_ of 1735 in an article on "Annesley, Earl of Anglesea:" "ROBERT [Annesley] the eldest, married Beatrix, Da. to John Cornwall of Moor-Park in the C. of Hertford, Esq; and by her had two sons, Francis and Robert, and three Daughters; 1. Beatrix married to Richard Saunders of Wavedon in Bucks, Esq. ...etc.."
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> > https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=osu.32435021040126&view=1up&seq=301&skin=2021&q1=annesley%20cornwall
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> > Depending on whether or not Moor-Park is in Hertfordshire, or possibly Herefordshire, as sometimes said, there could be a royal line through this Cornwall family.
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> > The identity of the last wife, Frances Stanton, is shown very clearly in the Buckingham Visitation of 1634, p. 114, where Richard "Sander's" wife Frances is given as a daughter of Reginald Stanton of "Smewens," Bucks., by his wife Elizabeth, daughter of Anthony Shuckborough of Northamptonshire.
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> > https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015039595502&view=1up&seq=134&skin=2021&q1=stanton
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> > Frances Stanton would most likely have an RD of some description through her paternal grandmother, Elizabeth, who was the daughter of a Reginald Gray, called brother of Lord Gray.
> Correct Elizabeth Leigh's husband to WILLIAM White, mercer of London, bur.. Feb. 1708/9 St. Martin's Ludgate.

The Shuckborough ancestry could have links to families of Foxley, Smith, Medley, and Vaux.

https://www.google.com/books/edition/Miscellanea_Genealogica_Et_Heraldica/sllIAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=reginald+staunton+shuckborough&pg=PA353&printsec=frontcover