John Mellencamp, no conservative he, sees... and sings it like it is.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/john-mellencamp-nailed-song-portland-residents-land-plenty-nothing-gets-done
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On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 4:16:10 PM UTC-7, George Anthony wrote:
> John Mellencamp, no conservative he, sees... and sings it like it is.
>
> https://www.foxnews.com/media/john-mellencamp-nailed-song-portland-residents-land-plenty-nothing-gets-done
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eh, Just to bring you up to date the "right to rest" law died of natural causes weeks ago. I don't think anyone thought it was destined for a long life.

Oregon’s ‘right to rest’ bill is dead, House majority leader says
by: Amanda Arden

Posted: May 2, 2023 / 04:08 PM PDT

Updated: May 3, 2023 / 05:23 PM PDT

https://www.koin.com/news/homeless/oregons-right-to-rest-bill-is-dead-house-majority-leader-says/

I do think they have spent a lot of money without getting much done, and I expect that to continue. If they allowed people to build enough affordable housing to solve the problem the price of existing housing would plunge. No politician can afford to let that happen.`

TB

On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 5:51:23 PM UTC-7, Technobarbarian wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 4:16:10 PM UTC-7, George Anthony wrote:
> > John Mellencamp, no conservative he, sees... and sings it like it is.
> >
> > https://www.foxnews.com/media/john-mellencamp-nailed-song-portland-residents-land-plenty-nothing-gets-done
> > --
> > (Space holder for future brilliant signature line)
> eh, Just to bring you up to date the "right to rest" law died of natural causes weeks ago. I don't think anyone thought it was destined for a long life.
>
> Oregon’s ‘right to rest’ bill is dead, House majority leader says
> by: Amanda Arden
>
> Posted: May 2, 2023 / 04:08 PM PDT
>
> Updated: May 3, 2023 / 05:23 PM PDT
>
> https://www.koin.com/news/homeless/oregons-right-to-rest-bill-is-dead-house-majority-leader-says/
>
> I do think they have spent a lot of money without getting much done, and I expect that to continue. If they allowed people to build enough affordable housing to solve the problem the price of existing housing would plunge. No politician can afford to let that happen.`
>
> TB

I have posted sets of numbers in the past to show that it's extremely unlikely that politicians will be able to use dollars to shovel their way out of this mess. If that's the way you want to do it you will need a lot more dollars. I know we have people here who don't understand simple math, but I'm posting another set of numbers for my own amazement and amusement.

"Wheeler’s proposal includes a vague plan to “eliminate” street camping by encouraging campers to move into one of the city’s encampments or another homeless shelter or face some type of penalty. Wheeler said he’s working with the Multnomah County District Attorney’s office to create a referral system for unhoused people to avoid prosecution, but that the details have not been ironed out. On Wednesday, Wheeler did say the plan may involve offering to clear peoples’ criminal records in exchange for their agreement to move into an encampment or accept other services.

“We’re trying to create a non-law-enforcement approach to incentivize people into the services they need,” Wheeler said. “The goal here would be an effort to eliminate past sanctions — old warrants, old fines — in exchange for people being willing to participate in the kind of treatment necessary to recover their lives.”

Skyler Brocker-Knapp, a policy advisor for the mayor, said Wednesday that unhoused Portlanders will not be forced into the encampments. “It’s one option out of many,” she said.

Brocker-Knapp added that the city is close to finalizing lease agreements with two other property owners for city-run camps, and are in conversations with others interested in leasing their property.

The city does not have the funds required to purchase or operate all six planned camps. According to Wheeler, the $27 million city dollars approved by the council to bankroll the proposal will only cover the cost to open three encampments. Wheeler said he’s in talks with Multnomah County leaders and the governor’s office to have their governments commit funding to the proposal. So far, no officials from other government agencies have expressed public interest in fulfilling this ask.

Urban Alchemy has asked the city for $5 million to run one 150-person camp for a year. Its contract includes a staff of 60 workers.

The encampments are expected to stay open for about three years. Tyler said there will be no required move-out date for residents, but the intention is for each stay to be a temporary step toward more permanent housing. At other camps run by Urban Alchemy, Tyler said, people stay on average between three and nine months.

“A portion of what contributes to that is the availability of housing in the municipality,” Tyler said. “We can’t expect people to move into housing that we don’t have.”"

https://www.opb.org/article/2023/03/09/portland-oregon-homelessness-camping-ted-wheeler-encampments-city-run/

TB

Technobarbarian wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 5:51:23 PM UTC-7, Technobarbarian
> wrote:
>> On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 4:16:10 PM UTC-7, George Anthony
>> wrote:
>>> John Mellencamp, no conservative he, sees... and sings it like
>>> it is.
>>>
>>> https://www.foxnews.com/media/john-mellencamp-nailed-song-portland-residents-land-plenty-nothing-gets-done
>>>
>>>
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>>> (Space holder for future brilliant signature line)
>> eh, Just to bring you up to date the "right to rest" law died of
>> natural causes weeks ago. I don't think anyone thought it was
>> destined for a long life.
>>
>> Oregon’s ‘right to rest’ bill is dead, House majority
>> leader says by: Amanda Arden
>>
>> Posted: May 2, 2023 / 04:08 PM PDT
>>
>> Updated: May 3, 2023 / 05:23 PM PDT
>>
>> https://www.koin.com/news/homeless/oregons-right-to-rest-bill-is-dead-house-majority-leader-says/
>>
>>
>>
I do think they have spent a lot of money without getting much done,
and I expect that to continue. If they allowed people to build enough
affordable housing to solve the problem the price of existing housing
would plunge. No politician can afford to let that happen.`
>>
>> TB
>
> I have posted sets of numbers in the past to show that it's
> extremely unlikely that politicians will be able to use dollars to
> shovel their way out of this mess. If that's the way you want to do
> it you will need a lot more dollars. I know we have people here who
> don't understand simple math, but I'm posting another set of
> numbers for my own amazement and amusement.
>
> "Wheeler’s proposal includes a vague plan to “eliminate”
> street camping by encouraging campers to move into one of the
> city’s encampments or another homeless shelter or face some type
> of penalty. Wheeler said he’s working with the Multnomah County
> District Attorney’s office to create a referral system for
> unhoused people to avoid prosecution, but that the details have not
> been ironed out. On Wednesday, Wheeler did say the plan may involve
> offering to clear peoples’ criminal records in exchange for their
> agreement to move into an encampment or accept other services.
>
> “We’re trying to create a non-law-enforcement approach to
> incentivize people into the services they need,” Wheeler said.
> “The goal here would be an effort to eliminate past sanctions —
> old warrants, old fines — in exchange for people being willing to
> participate in the kind of treatment necessary to recover their
> lives.”
>
> Skyler Brocker-Knapp, a policy advisor for the mayor, said
> Wednesday that unhoused Portlanders will not be forced into the
> encampments. “It’s one option out of many,” she said.
>
> Brocker-Knapp added that the city is close to finalizing lease
> agreements with two other property owners for city-run camps, and
> are in conversations with others interested in leasing their
> property.
>
> The city does not have the funds required to purchase or operate
> all six planned camps. According to Wheeler, the $27 million city
> dollars approved by the council to bankroll the proposal will only
> cover the cost to open three encampments. Wheeler said he’s in
> talks with Multnomah County leaders and the governor’s office to
> have their governments commit funding to the proposal. So far, no
> officials from other government agencies have expressed public
> interest in fulfilling this ask.
>
> Urban Alchemy has asked the city for $5 million to run one
> 150-person camp for a year. Its contract includes a staff of 60
> workers.

Is their logo a goose sitting on a mound of gold eggs? Or maybe a
magician in a hoodie turning bullshit into Krugerrands?

> The encampments are expected to stay open for about three years.
> Tyler said there will be no required move-out date for residents,
> but the intention is for each stay to be a temporary step toward
> more permanent housing. At other camps run by Urban Alchemy, Tyler
> said, people stay on average between three and nine months.
>
> “A portion of what contributes to that is the availability of
> housing in the municipality,” Tyler said. “We can’t expect
> people to move into housing that we don’t have.”"
>
> https://www.opb.org/article/2023/03/09/portland-oregon-homelessness-camping-ted-wheeler-encampments-city-run/
>
> TB
>

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bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 8:51:09 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:
> Technobarbarian wrote:
> > On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 5:51:23 PM UTC-7, Technobarbarian
> > wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 4:16:10 PM UTC-7, George Anthony
> >> wrote:
> >>> John Mellencamp, no conservative he, sees... and sings it like
> >>> it is.
> >>>
> >>> https://www.foxnews.com/media/john-mellencamp-nailed-song-portland-residents-land-plenty-nothing-gets-done
> >>>
> >>>
> --
> >>> (Space holder for future brilliant signature line)
> >> eh, Just to bring you up to date the "right to rest" law died of
> >> natural causes weeks ago. I don't think anyone thought it was
> >> destined for a long life.
> >>
> >> Oregon’s ‘right to rest’ bill is dead, House majority
> >> leader says by: Amanda Arden
> >>
> >> Posted: May 2, 2023 / 04:08 PM PDT
> >>
> >> Updated: May 3, 2023 / 05:23 PM PDT
> >>
> >> https://www.koin.com/news/homeless/oregons-right-to-rest-bill-is-dead-house-majority-leader-says/
> >>
> >>
> >>
> I do think they have spent a lot of money without getting much done,
> and I expect that to continue. If they allowed people to build enough
> affordable housing to solve the problem the price of existing housing
> would plunge. No politician can afford to let that happen.`
> >>
> >> TB
> >
> > I have posted sets of numbers in the past to show that it's
> > extremely unlikely that politicians will be able to use dollars to
> > shovel their way out of this mess. If that's the way you want to do
> > it you will need a lot more dollars. I know we have people here who
> > don't understand simple math, but I'm posting another set of
> > numbers for my own amazement and amusement.
> >
> > "Wheeler’s proposal includes a vague plan to “eliminateâ€
> > street camping by encouraging campers to move into one of the
> > city’s encampments or another homeless shelter or face some type
> > of penalty. Wheeler said he’s working with the Multnomah County
> > District Attorney’s office to create a referral system for
> > unhoused people to avoid prosecution, but that the details have not
> > been ironed out. On Wednesday, Wheeler did say the plan may involve
> > offering to clear peoples’ criminal records in exchange for their
> > agreement to move into an encampment or accept other services.
> >
> > “We’re trying to create a non-law-enforcement approach to
> > incentivize people into the services they need,†Wheeler said.
> > “The goal here would be an effort to eliminate past sanctions —
> > old warrants, old fines — in exchange for people being willing to
> > participate in the kind of treatment necessary to recover their
> > lives.â€
> >
> > Skyler Brocker-Knapp, a policy advisor for the mayor, said
> > Wednesday that unhoused Portlanders will not be forced into the
> > encampments. “It’s one option out of many,†she said.
> >
> > Brocker-Knapp added that the city is close to finalizing lease
> > agreements with two other property owners for city-run camps, and
> > are in conversations with others interested in leasing their
> > property.
> >
> > The city does not have the funds required to purchase or operate
> > all six planned camps. According to Wheeler, the $27 million city
> > dollars approved by the council to bankroll the proposal will only
> > cover the cost to open three encampments. Wheeler said he’s in
> > talks with Multnomah County leaders and the governor’s office to
> > have their governments commit funding to the proposal. So far, no
> > officials from other government agencies have expressed public
> > interest in fulfilling this ask.
> >
> > Urban Alchemy has asked the city for $5 million to run one
> > 150-person camp for a year. Its contract includes a staff of 60
> > workers.
> Is their logo a goose sitting on a mound of gold eggs? Or maybe a
> magician in a hoodie turning bullshit into Krugerrands?

It should be. I enjoy the numbers, because they are completely insane. Just the cost of the babysitters alone would pay the rent on a very nice apartment or a medium sized house for all 150 of those people. This plan requires 60 paid staff to take care of 150 unhoused people. If they are going to hire caretakers they should hire the homeless to take care of themselves. That way almost half of them could afford to rent their own place and buy their own meals. Any sane person should be able to look at the numbers and understand that this simply will not work. The mayor is working on a 3 year plan, when they need a permanent solution. At the rate they're going the situation will be even worse 3 years from now.

Unfortunately, when you look at the price of the government's idea of "affordable" housing the numbers become even more wildly inflated.

TB